Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
Sure. Why not require biometrics identity registration to go with the license. Fingerprints, hand geometry, retinal scan, etc? myg0t will run out of bodies pretty quick and would no longer be able to play. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: What good is that when they just get another account and are back in 5 minutes? Why not prevent nosteam from working in the first place? We paid for the game, why shouldn't they have to? - voogru. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
Still haven't been provided with a decent reason why NO STEAM is still an issue. NO STEAM User Joins Server Server receives NO STEAM Users STEAM_ID Server querys Valve with NO STEAM Users STEAM_ID and game it is running and IP addresss of NO STEAM User. Valve matches NO STEAM Users STEAM_ID to STEAM Account database and checks to see what games this STEAM_ID's STEAM Account has access to, what IP address this account is currently logged on, and also sends query to users STEAM Client for whatever Valve thinks it is relevent for preventing NO STEAM being run at all. Valve database goes OMGWTFBBQHAX "No games listed or this game not listed for this STEAM Account" Valve sends reply back to Server that Server should KICK and BAN NO STEAM Users STEAM_ID Valve disables NO STEAM Account Life is good, everybody is happy hacks go away, clients can hack windows all they want because Valve don't care what the clients do, the servers control everything. :D On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:25:11 -0500, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What good is that when they just get another account and are back in 5 > minutes? > > Why not prevent nosteam from working in the first place? > > We paid for the game, why shouldn't they have to? > > - voogru. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred Reynolds > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:16 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > Nosteam and the like will be considered cheats (and users will be banned > for using them). > > - Alfred > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Armstrong > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:04 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > Will VAC2 prevent the use of nosteam though? > > Not much point in having them banned if they come right back in 10 > minutes. > > -Plasma > > ----- Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:40 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > > [quote] If you have any cheats for multiplayer games installed on your > > > computer, now would be a good time to uninstall and stop using them. > > [/quote] > > > > So is Valve taking the stand that once a cheater is OK as long as it's > > > not during our pre-released timeframe that we'll be watching period? > > How about you start logging last week and then take that information > > into effect > next > > week so you smoke ALL of the detected cheats currently in use instead > > of letting them shut them off long enough for you to start your > > testing and give myg0t time to find a way around that too so they can > > all turn them on again. Our view is that if you're low-life enough to > > have EVER use them > than > > you have violated the TOS of the purchased game and they should be > > dealt with as such. But then again this is Valve we're talking about > > and they > only > > give a "bite" with no teeth. You have a published TOS that you need to > stand > > behind and MAKE the cheats/hacks an issue of the past. Not give them > warning > > that the update is coming. We've dealt with these people for nearly a > > year without your help and now you give them the opportunity to > 'redeem' > > themselves. Sure, ok. If they discontinue use of cheats that your > > company has allowed to propagate then who are we to complain right? > > Ultimately, > you > > left the people that give your clients a place to play in the wind and > some > > of us stuck through it all. (We support 1.6 but not CSS) We gave you > nearly > > a year to do something about it. The facts speak for themselves. > > > > To all employees of ValveSoftware: You are obviously not able to deal > > with the cheating/hacking of your software. Your history has proved to > > > the > entire > > community that you are unable/unwilling to take the necessary measures > > > to dela with cheating/hacking. I implore you to acquire some type of > > association with the AC community to save your game from > self-destruction. > I > > can say without reservation that I personally know that over 50% of > > the people I know that were avid CS players have left the game for > > CoD, BF/DC, Bia. That perspective shows me that there is a complete > > lack of confidence that Valve will follow through with their TOS > > and/or they are unable to do so
RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
What good is that when they just get another account and are back in 5 minutes? Why not prevent nosteam from working in the first place? We paid for the game, why shouldn't they have to? - voogru. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred Reynolds Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:16 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch Nosteam and the like will be considered cheats (and users will be banned for using them). - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Armstrong Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:04 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch Will VAC2 prevent the use of nosteam though? Not much point in having them banned if they come right back in 10 minutes. -Plasma - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > [quote] If you have any cheats for multiplayer games installed on your > computer, now would be a good time to uninstall and stop using them. > [/quote] > > So is Valve taking the stand that once a cheater is OK as long as it's > not during our pre-released timeframe that we'll be watching period? > How about you start logging last week and then take that information > into effect next > week so you smoke ALL of the detected cheats currently in use instead > of letting them shut them off long enough for you to start your > testing and give myg0t time to find a way around that too so they can > all turn them on again. Our view is that if you're low-life enough to > have EVER use them than > you have violated the TOS of the purchased game and they should be > dealt with as such. But then again this is Valve we're talking about > and they only > give a "bite" with no teeth. You have a published TOS that you need to stand > behind and MAKE the cheats/hacks an issue of the past. Not give them warning > that the update is coming. We've dealt with these people for nearly a > year without your help and now you give them the opportunity to 'redeem' > themselves. Sure, ok. If they discontinue use of cheats that your > company has allowed to propagate then who are we to complain right? > Ultimately, you > left the people that give your clients a place to play in the wind and some > of us stuck through it all. (We support 1.6 but not CSS) We gave you nearly > a year to do something about it. The facts speak for themselves. > > To all employees of ValveSoftware: You are obviously not able to deal > with the cheating/hacking of your software. Your history has proved to > the entire > community that you are unable/unwilling to take the necessary measures > to dela with cheating/hacking. I implore you to acquire some type of > association with the AC community to save your game from self-destruction. I > can say without reservation that I personally know that over 50% of > the people I know that were avid CS players have left the game for > CoD, BF/DC, Bia. That perspective shows me that there is a complete > lack of confidence that Valve will follow through with their TOS > and/or they are unable to do so. The fact remains that for your game > to continue to be the leading edge of online gaming that AC needs to > be TOP priority. History has shown your view otherwise. IMMEDIATE, > SWIFT, and DECISIVE action is required to deal with the onslaught of > cheating/hacking in the game that you are in control of. If you can't > handle the job then it only makes sense to give the job to > a dedicated team that can. That does no harm to your firm but affirms > your company's desire to keep pure the game that you spend so much > time/money in > developing. > > I hope these words do not fall on deaf ears. > > Ray S. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred > Reynolds > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 7:32 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > VAC2 is top priority right now, check your Steam client for the > message we released today about it. > > - Alfred > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:26 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > Sure, great, whatever. I've been here for years as well and I've seen > about > 11 months go by since the last VAC update. So how about that quote in > late December of "VAC2 is coming 'soon&
Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
If you don't like the food or service, why stay at the restaurant? 50% of your friends have left for other games, why haven't you? Valve is a company and has rules to govern its software development. I'm sure the Valve developers didn't recently come back from a several month vacation and copy the old VAC and change a few things to make it compatible with the Source engine. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
Thanks for your feedback. Despite our frustration that should mainly be directed towards the myg0t types, we do appreciate your posts here, Alfred. Please don't leave us. - Original Message - From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:16 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch Nosteam and the like will be considered cheats (and users will be banned for using them). - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Armstrong Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:04 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch Will VAC2 prevent the use of nosteam though? Not much point in having them banned if they come right back in 10 minutes. -Plasma - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch [quote] If you have any cheats for multiplayer games installed on your computer, now would be a good time to uninstall and stop using them. [/quote] So is Valve taking the stand that once a cheater is OK as long as it's not during our pre-released timeframe that we'll be watching period? How about you start logging last week and then take that information into effect next week so you smoke ALL of the detected cheats currently in use instead of letting them shut them off long enough for you to start your testing and give myg0t time to find a way around that too so they can all turn them on again. Our view is that if you're low-life enough to have EVER use them than you have violated the TOS of the purchased game and they should be dealt with as such. But then again this is Valve we're talking about and they only give a "bite" with no teeth. You have a published TOS that you need to stand behind and MAKE the cheats/hacks an issue of the past. Not give them warning that the update is coming. We've dealt with these people for nearly a year without your help and now you give them the opportunity to 'redeem' themselves. Sure, ok. If they discontinue use of cheats that your company has allowed to propagate then who are we to complain right? Ultimately, you left the people that give your clients a place to play in the wind and some of us stuck through it all. (We support 1.6 but not CSS) We gave you nearly a year to do something about it. The facts speak for themselves. To all employees of ValveSoftware: You are obviously not able to deal with the cheating/hacking of your software. Your history has proved to the entire community that you are unable/unwilling to take the necessary measures to dela with cheating/hacking. I implore you to acquire some type of association with the AC community to save your game from self-destruction. I can say without reservation that I personally know that over 50% of the people I know that were avid CS players have left the game for CoD, BF/DC, Bia. That perspective shows me that there is a complete lack of confidence that Valve will follow through with their TOS and/or they are unable to do so. The fact remains that for your game to continue to be the leading edge of online gaming that AC needs to be TOP priority. History has shown your view otherwise. IMMEDIATE, SWIFT, and DECISIVE action is required to deal with the onslaught of cheating/hacking in the game that you are in control of. If you can't handle the job then it only makes sense to give the job to a dedicated team that can. That does no harm to your firm but affirms your company's desire to keep pure the game that you spend so much time/money in developing. I hope these words do not fall on deaf ears. Ray S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred Reynolds Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 7:32 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch VAC2 is top priority right now, check your Steam client for the message we released today about it. - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:26 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch Sure, great, whatever. I've been here for years as well and I've seen about 11 months go by since the last VAC update. So how about that quote in late December of "VAC2 is coming 'soon'"? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:19 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch If you consider what goes through this list a "torrent", what do you consider what goes through the SteamPowered forums? :-) I would imagine that Valve has very strict rules governing who can post here and what they can say. Most c
Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
I second that - Thanks Alfred :] - Original Message - From: "Mikee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > Thanks for your feedback. Despite our frustration that should mainly be > directed towards the myg0t types, we do appreciate your posts here, Alfred. > Please don't leave us. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:16 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > > > Nosteam and the like will be considered cheats (and users will be banned > > for using them). > > > > - Alfred > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Armstrong > > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:04 PM > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > > > Will VAC2 prevent the use of nosteam though? > > > > Not much point in having them banned if they come right back in 10 > > minutes. > > > > -Plasma > > > > - Original Message - > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:40 PM > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > > > > >> [quote] If you have any cheats for multiplayer games installed on your > > > >> computer, now would be a good time to uninstall and stop using them. > >> [/quote] > >> > >> So is Valve taking the stand that once a cheater is OK as long as it's > > > >> not during our pre-released timeframe that we'll be watching period? > >> How about you start logging last week and then take that information > >> into effect > > next > >> week so you smoke ALL of the detected cheats currently in use instead > >> of letting them shut them off long enough for you to start your > >> testing and give myg0t time to find a way around that too so they can > >> all turn them on again. Our view is that if you're low-life enough to > >> have EVER use them > > than > >> you have violated the TOS of the purchased game and they should be > >> dealt with as such. But then again this is Valve we're talking about > >> and they > > only > >> give a "bite" with no teeth. You have a published TOS that you need to > > stand > >> behind and MAKE the cheats/hacks an issue of the past. Not give them > > warning > >> that the update is coming. We've dealt with these people for nearly a > >> year without your help and now you give them the opportunity to > > 'redeem' > >> themselves. Sure, ok. If they discontinue use of cheats that your > >> company has allowed to propagate then who are we to complain right? > >> Ultimately, > > you > >> left the people that give your clients a place to play in the wind and > > some > >> of us stuck through it all. (We support 1.6 but not CSS) We gave you > > nearly > >> a year to do something about it. The facts speak for themselves. > >> > >> To all employees of ValveSoftware: You are obviously not able to deal > >> with the cheating/hacking of your software. Your history has proved to > > > >> the > > entire > >> community that you are unable/unwilling to take the necessary measures > > > >> to dela with cheating/hacking. I implore you to acquire some type of > >> association with the AC community to save your game from > > self-destruction. > > I > >> can say without reservation that I personally know that over 50% of > >> the people I know that were avid CS players have left the game for > >> CoD, BF/DC, Bia. That perspective shows me that there is a complete > >> lack of confidence that Valve will follow through with their TOS > >> and/or they are unable to do so. The fact remains that for your game > >> to continue to be the leading edge of online gaming that AC needs to > >> be TOP priority. History has shown your view otherwise. IMMEDIATE, > >> SWIFT, and DECISIVE action is required to deal with the onslaught of > >> cheating/hacking in the game that you are in control of. If you can't > >> handle the job then it only makes sense to give the job > > to > >> a dedicated team that can. That does no harm to your firm but affirms > >> your company's desire to keep pure the game t
Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
How quickly (when your past beta testing) are cheaters banned? Is it instant? - Original Message - From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > Nosteam and the like will be considered cheats (and users will be banned > for using them). > > - Alfred > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Armstrong > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:04 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > Will VAC2 prevent the use of nosteam though? > > Not much point in having them banned if they come right back in 10 > minutes. > > -Plasma > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:40 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > > > [quote] If you have any cheats for multiplayer games installed on your > > > computer, now would be a good time to uninstall and stop using them. > > [/quote] > > > > So is Valve taking the stand that once a cheater is OK as long as it's > > > not during our pre-released timeframe that we'll be watching period? > > How about you start logging last week and then take that information > > into effect > next > > week so you smoke ALL of the detected cheats currently in use instead > > of letting them shut them off long enough for you to start your > > testing and give myg0t time to find a way around that too so they can > > all turn them on again. Our view is that if you're low-life enough to > > have EVER use them > than > > you have violated the TOS of the purchased game and they should be > > dealt with as such. But then again this is Valve we're talking about > > and they > only > > give a "bite" with no teeth. You have a published TOS that you need to > stand > > behind and MAKE the cheats/hacks an issue of the past. Not give them > warning > > that the update is coming. We've dealt with these people for nearly a > > year without your help and now you give them the opportunity to > 'redeem' > > themselves. Sure, ok. If they discontinue use of cheats that your > > company has allowed to propagate then who are we to complain right? > > Ultimately, > you > > left the people that give your clients a place to play in the wind and > some > > of us stuck through it all. (We support 1.6 but not CSS) We gave you > nearly > > a year to do something about it. The facts speak for themselves. > > > > To all employees of ValveSoftware: You are obviously not able to deal > > with the cheating/hacking of your software. Your history has proved to > > > the > entire > > community that you are unable/unwilling to take the necessary measures > > > to dela with cheating/hacking. I implore you to acquire some type of > > association with the AC community to save your game from > self-destruction. > I > > can say without reservation that I personally know that over 50% of > > the people I know that were avid CS players have left the game for > > CoD, BF/DC, Bia. That perspective shows me that there is a complete > > lack of confidence that Valve will follow through with their TOS > > and/or they are unable to do so. The fact remains that for your game > > to continue to be the leading edge of online gaming that AC needs to > > be TOP priority. History has shown your view otherwise. IMMEDIATE, > > SWIFT, and DECISIVE action is required to deal with the onslaught of > > cheating/hacking in the game that you are in control of. If you can't > > handle the job then it only makes sense to give the job > to > > a dedicated team that can. That does no harm to your firm but affirms > > your company's desire to keep pure the game that you spend so much > > time/money > in > > developing. > > > > I hope these words do not fall on deaf ears. > > > > Ray S. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred > > Reynolds > > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 7:32 PM > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > > > VAC2 is top priority right now, check your Steam client for the > > message we released today about it. > > > > - Alfred > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > &
RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
Nosteam and the like will be considered cheats (and users will be banned for using them). - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Armstrong Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:04 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch Will VAC2 prevent the use of nosteam though? Not much point in having them banned if they come right back in 10 minutes. -Plasma - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > [quote] If you have any cheats for multiplayer games installed on your > computer, now would be a good time to uninstall and stop using them. > [/quote] > > So is Valve taking the stand that once a cheater is OK as long as it's > not during our pre-released timeframe that we'll be watching period? > How about you start logging last week and then take that information > into effect next > week so you smoke ALL of the detected cheats currently in use instead > of letting them shut them off long enough for you to start your > testing and give myg0t time to find a way around that too so they can > all turn them on again. Our view is that if you're low-life enough to > have EVER use them than > you have violated the TOS of the purchased game and they should be > dealt with as such. But then again this is Valve we're talking about > and they only > give a "bite" with no teeth. You have a published TOS that you need to stand > behind and MAKE the cheats/hacks an issue of the past. Not give them warning > that the update is coming. We've dealt with these people for nearly a > year without your help and now you give them the opportunity to 'redeem' > themselves. Sure, ok. If they discontinue use of cheats that your > company has allowed to propagate then who are we to complain right? > Ultimately, you > left the people that give your clients a place to play in the wind and some > of us stuck through it all. (We support 1.6 but not CSS) We gave you nearly > a year to do something about it. The facts speak for themselves. > > To all employees of ValveSoftware: You are obviously not able to deal > with the cheating/hacking of your software. Your history has proved to > the entire > community that you are unable/unwilling to take the necessary measures > to dela with cheating/hacking. I implore you to acquire some type of > association with the AC community to save your game from self-destruction. I > can say without reservation that I personally know that over 50% of > the people I know that were avid CS players have left the game for > CoD, BF/DC, Bia. That perspective shows me that there is a complete > lack of confidence that Valve will follow through with their TOS > and/or they are unable to do so. The fact remains that for your game > to continue to be the leading edge of online gaming that AC needs to > be TOP priority. History has shown your view otherwise. IMMEDIATE, > SWIFT, and DECISIVE action is required to deal with the onslaught of > cheating/hacking in the game that you are in control of. If you can't > handle the job then it only makes sense to give the job to > a dedicated team that can. That does no harm to your firm but affirms > your company's desire to keep pure the game that you spend so much > time/money in > developing. > > I hope these words do not fall on deaf ears. > > Ray S. > > -----Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred > Reynolds > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 7:32 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > VAC2 is top priority right now, check your Steam client for the > message we released today about it. > > - Alfred > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:26 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > Sure, great, whatever. I've been here for years as well and I've seen > about > 11 months go by since the last VAC update. So how about that quote in > late December of "VAC2 is coming 'soon'"? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:19 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > If you consider what goes through this list a "torrent", what do you > consider what goes through the SteamPowered forums? :-) > > I would im
Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
Also, in one week its the 1st of April. This had better not be some cruel joke Alfred :P -Plasma - Original Message - From: "Team Pfeffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > beta VAC2 in one week, whee!!! > > > On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:35:54 -0800, Ted Gribble > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Restart your steam client.. the wait is almost over :)!! > > -Ted "bOoya" > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >Sure, great, whatever. I've been here for years as well and I've seen about > > >11 months go by since the last VAC update. So how about that quote in late > > >December of "VAC2 is coming 'soon'"? > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook > > >Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:19 PM > > >To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > >Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > > > > >If you consider what goes through this list a "torrent", what do you > > >consider what goes through the SteamPowered forums? :-) > > > > > >I would imagine that Valve has very strict rules governing who can post here > > >and what they can say. Most companies do, or at least once their lawyers > > >soak them for a million dollars for something some mouthy employee posts, > > >then they have such policies :) > > > > > >I've been on this list for a couple of years, and we have seen several Valve > > >people come and go. For the most part we have received silence, and then > > >every now and then someone like you pops up and actually contributes to the > > >list, answers questions, and addresses issues. For a while. Then one day > > >they vanish, and we get nothing but silence for another six months. I > > >imagine most of us that have been around here for a while are 1) glad we get > > >what support we do get and 2) have lost a lot of respect for Valve because > > >of the many prolonged episodes of silence that we get. I think I speak for > > >most if not all of us when I say we are very gratefull for your presence > > >here, and all you contribute. > > > > > >And don't forget - we are on the outside looking in, and all we know is what > > >you tell us. You might take for granted information that none of us have > > >access to. Maybe you aren't allowed to talk about things like how many > > >programmers you have, what they work on, what their plans are priorities > > >are, etc. Over the years we have discussed many problems here and we come > > >away from these discussions frustrated and angry because Valve won't tell us > > >what is going on. > > > > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:32 PM > > >Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>This is the dedicated server list, not a HL2DM one (we are accepting of > > >>all mods on this list ;-) > > >>Actually lots of people in the company subscribe to this list but only a > > >>couple of us are game enough to dabble our toes in the proverbial > > >>torrent of this list. There is also no shooting of messengers, Valve has > > >>a very flat and egalitarian structure (I am a programmer working on a > > >>large range of projects, I just also happen to participate in this > > >>list). > > >> > > >>- Alfred > > >> > > >>-Original Message- > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham Robinson > > >>Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:21 PM > > >>To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > >>Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > >> > > >>Alfred, > > >> > > >>I'm sure that I speak for everyone on this mailing list when I say thank > > >>you for actually listening and responding to us. But when you say that > > >>the HL2DM team are preparing the update*, where are they? > > >>Don't they subscribe to their own mailing list? You seem to be the > > >>messenger, which inevitably means you will be shot (probably with some > > >>form of awp) for just passing on someone else's in
Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
Will VAC2 prevent the use of nosteam though? Not much point in having them banned if they come right back in 10 minutes. -Plasma - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > [quote] If you have any cheats for multiplayer games installed on your > computer, now would be a good time to uninstall and stop using them. > [/quote] > > So is Valve taking the stand that once a cheater is OK as long as it's not > during our pre-released timeframe that we'll be watching period? How about > you start logging last week and then take that information into effect next > week so you smoke ALL of the detected cheats currently in use instead of > letting them shut them off long enough for you to start your testing and > give myg0t time to find a way around that too so they can all turn them on > again. Our view is that if you're low-life enough to have EVER use them than > you have violated the TOS of the purchased game and they should be dealt > with as such. But then again this is Valve we're talking about and they only > give a "bite" with no teeth. You have a published TOS that you need to stand > behind and MAKE the cheats/hacks an issue of the past. Not give them warning > that the update is coming. We've dealt with these people for nearly a year > without your help and now you give them the opportunity to 'redeem' > themselves. Sure, ok. If they discontinue use of cheats that your company > has allowed to propagate then who are we to complain right? Ultimately, you > left the people that give your clients a place to play in the wind and some > of us stuck through it all. (We support 1.6 but not CSS) We gave you nearly > a year to do something about it. The facts speak for themselves. > > To all employees of ValveSoftware: You are obviously not able to deal with > the cheating/hacking of your software. Your history has proved to the entire > community that you are unable/unwilling to take the necessary measures to > dela with cheating/hacking. I implore you to acquire some type of > association with the AC community to save your game from self-destruction. I > can say without reservation that I personally know that over 50% of the > people I know that were avid CS players have left the game for CoD, BF/DC, > Bia. That perspective shows me that there is a complete lack of confidence > that Valve will follow through with their TOS and/or they are unable to do > so. The fact remains that for your game to continue to be the leading edge > of online gaming that AC needs to be TOP priority. History has shown your > view otherwise. IMMEDIATE, SWIFT, and DECISIVE action is required to deal > with the onslaught of cheating/hacking in the game that you are in control > of. If you can't handle the job then it only makes sense to give the job to > a dedicated team that can. That does no harm to your firm but affirms your > company's desire to keep pure the game that you spend so much time/money in > developing. > > I hope these words do not fall on deaf ears. > > Ray S. > > -Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred Reynolds > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 7:32 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > VAC2 is top priority right now, check your Steam client for the message > we released today about it. > > - Alfred > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:26 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > Sure, great, whatever. I've been here for years as well and I've seen > about > 11 months go by since the last VAC update. So how about that quote in > late December of "VAC2 is coming 'soon'"? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:19 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > If you consider what goes through this list a "torrent", what do you > consider what goes through the SteamPowered forums? :-) > > I would imagine that Valve has very strict rules governing who can post > here and what they can say. Most companies do, or at least once their > lawyers soak them for a million dollars for something some mouthy > employee posts, then they have such policies :) > > I've been on this list for a couple of years, and we have seen several > Valve people come and go.
RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
[quote] If you have any cheats for multiplayer games installed on your computer, now would be a good time to uninstall and stop using them. [/quote] So is Valve taking the stand that once a cheater is OK as long as it's not during our pre-released timeframe that we'll be watching period? How about you start logging last week and then take that information into effect next week so you smoke ALL of the detected cheats currently in use instead of letting them shut them off long enough for you to start your testing and give myg0t time to find a way around that too so they can all turn them on again. Our view is that if you're low-life enough to have EVER use them than you have violated the TOS of the purchased game and they should be dealt with as such. But then again this is Valve we're talking about and they only give a "bite" with no teeth. You have a published TOS that you need to stand behind and MAKE the cheats/hacks an issue of the past. Not give them warning that the update is coming. We've dealt with these people for nearly a year without your help and now you give them the opportunity to 'redeem' themselves. Sure, ok. If they discontinue use of cheats that your company has allowed to propagate then who are we to complain right? Ultimately, you left the people that give your clients a place to play in the wind and some of us stuck through it all. (We support 1.6 but not CSS) We gave you nearly a year to do something about it. The facts speak for themselves. To all employees of ValveSoftware: You are obviously not able to deal with the cheating/hacking of your software. Your history has proved to the entire community that you are unable/unwilling to take the necessary measures to dela with cheating/hacking. I implore you to acquire some type of association with the AC community to save your game from self-destruction. I can say without reservation that I personally know that over 50% of the people I know that were avid CS players have left the game for CoD, BF/DC, Bia. That perspective shows me that there is a complete lack of confidence that Valve will follow through with their TOS and/or they are unable to do so. The fact remains that for your game to continue to be the leading edge of online gaming that AC needs to be TOP priority. History has shown your view otherwise. IMMEDIATE, SWIFT, and DECISIVE action is required to deal with the onslaught of cheating/hacking in the game that you are in control of. If you can't handle the job then it only makes sense to give the job to a dedicated team that can. That does no harm to your firm but affirms your company's desire to keep pure the game that you spend so much time/money in developing. I hope these words do not fall on deaf ears. Ray S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred Reynolds Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 7:32 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch VAC2 is top priority right now, check your Steam client for the message we released today about it. - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:26 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch Sure, great, whatever. I've been here for years as well and I've seen about 11 months go by since the last VAC update. So how about that quote in late December of "VAC2 is coming 'soon'"? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:19 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch If you consider what goes through this list a "torrent", what do you consider what goes through the SteamPowered forums? :-) I would imagine that Valve has very strict rules governing who can post here and what they can say. Most companies do, or at least once their lawyers soak them for a million dollars for something some mouthy employee posts, then they have such policies :) I've been on this list for a couple of years, and we have seen several Valve people come and go. For the most part we have received silence, and then every now and then someone like you pops up and actually contributes to the list, answers questions, and addresses issues. For a while. Then one day they vanish, and we get nothing but silence for another six months. I imagine most of us that have been around here for a while are 1) glad we get what support we do get and 2) have lost a lot of respect for Valve because of the many prolonged episodes of silence that we get. I think I speak for most if not all of us when I say we are very gratefull for your presence here, and all you contribute. And don't forget - we are on the outside looking in, and all we know is what you tell us. You
Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
beta VAC2 in one week, whee!!! On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:35:54 -0800, Ted Gribble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Restart your steam client.. the wait is almost over :)!! > -Ted "bOoya" > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Sure, great, whatever. I've been here for years as well and I've seen about > >11 months go by since the last VAC update. So how about that quote in late > >December of "VAC2 is coming 'soon'"? > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook > >Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:19 PM > >To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > >Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > > >If you consider what goes through this list a "torrent", what do you > >consider what goes through the SteamPowered forums? :-) > > > >I would imagine that Valve has very strict rules governing who can post here > >and what they can say. Most companies do, or at least once their lawyers > >soak them for a million dollars for something some mouthy employee posts, > >then they have such policies :) > > > >I've been on this list for a couple of years, and we have seen several Valve > >people come and go. For the most part we have received silence, and then > >every now and then someone like you pops up and actually contributes to the > >list, answers questions, and addresses issues. For a while. Then one day > >they vanish, and we get nothing but silence for another six months. I > >imagine most of us that have been around here for a while are 1) glad we get > >what support we do get and 2) have lost a lot of respect for Valve because > >of the many prolonged episodes of silence that we get. I think I speak for > >most if not all of us when I say we are very gratefull for your presence > >here, and all you contribute. > > > >And don't forget - we are on the outside looking in, and all we know is what > >you tell us. You might take for granted information that none of us have > >access to. Maybe you aren't allowed to talk about things like how many > >programmers you have, what they work on, what their plans are priorities > >are, etc. Over the years we have discussed many problems here and we come > >away from these discussions frustrated and angry because Valve won't tell us > >what is going on. > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: > >Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:32 PM > >Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > > > > > > > > >>This is the dedicated server list, not a HL2DM one (we are accepting of > >>all mods on this list ;-) > >>Actually lots of people in the company subscribe to this list but only a > >>couple of us are game enough to dabble our toes in the proverbial > >>torrent of this list. There is also no shooting of messengers, Valve has > >>a very flat and egalitarian structure (I am a programmer working on a > >>large range of projects, I just also happen to participate in this > >>list). > >> > >>- Alfred > >> > >>-Original Message- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham Robinson > >>Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:21 PM > >>To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > >>Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > >> > >>Alfred, > >> > >>I'm sure that I speak for everyone on this mailing list when I say thank > >>you for actually listening and responding to us. But when you say that > >>the HL2DM team are preparing the update*, where are they? > >>Don't they subscribe to their own mailing list? You seem to be the > >>messenger, which inevitably means you will be shot (probably with some > >>form of awp) for just passing on someone else's information. > >> > >>* Obviously you said 'we' here but you have said this in different > >>emails. > >> > >>Graham > >> > >>On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:05:35 -0800, Alfred Reynolds > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>We are preparing the release right now, it will be out later today. > >>> > >>>- Alfred > >>> > >>> > >>___ > >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>please visit: > >>http://
Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
Restart your steam client.. the wait is almost over :)!! -Ted "bOoya" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, great, whatever. I've been here for years as well and I've seen about 11 months go by since the last VAC update. So how about that quote in late December of "VAC2 is coming 'soon'"? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:19 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch If you consider what goes through this list a "torrent", what do you consider what goes through the SteamPowered forums? :-) I would imagine that Valve has very strict rules governing who can post here and what they can say. Most companies do, or at least once their lawyers soak them for a million dollars for something some mouthy employee posts, then they have such policies :) I've been on this list for a couple of years, and we have seen several Valve people come and go. For the most part we have received silence, and then every now and then someone like you pops up and actually contributes to the list, answers questions, and addresses issues. For a while. Then one day they vanish, and we get nothing but silence for another six months. I imagine most of us that have been around here for a while are 1) glad we get what support we do get and 2) have lost a lot of respect for Valve because of the many prolonged episodes of silence that we get. I think I speak for most if not all of us when I say we are very gratefull for your presence here, and all you contribute. And don't forget - we are on the outside looking in, and all we know is what you tell us. You might take for granted information that none of us have access to. Maybe you aren't allowed to talk about things like how many programmers you have, what they work on, what their plans are priorities are, etc. Over the years we have discussed many problems here and we come away from these discussions frustrated and angry because Valve won't tell us what is going on. - Original Message - From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch This is the dedicated server list, not a HL2DM one (we are accepting of all mods on this list ;-) Actually lots of people in the company subscribe to this list but only a couple of us are game enough to dabble our toes in the proverbial torrent of this list. There is also no shooting of messengers, Valve has a very flat and egalitarian structure (I am a programmer working on a large range of projects, I just also happen to participate in this list). - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham Robinson Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:21 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch Alfred, I'm sure that I speak for everyone on this mailing list when I say thank you for actually listening and responding to us. But when you say that the HL2DM team are preparing the update*, where are they? Don't they subscribe to their own mailing list? You seem to be the messenger, which inevitably means you will be shot (probably with some form of awp) for just passing on someone else's information. * Obviously you said 'we' here but you have said this in different emails. Graham On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:05:35 -0800, Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We are preparing the release right now, it will be out later today. - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
VAC2 is top priority right now, check your Steam client for the message we released today about it. - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:26 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch Sure, great, whatever. I've been here for years as well and I've seen about 11 months go by since the last VAC update. So how about that quote in late December of "VAC2 is coming 'soon'"? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:19 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch If you consider what goes through this list a "torrent", what do you consider what goes through the SteamPowered forums? :-) I would imagine that Valve has very strict rules governing who can post here and what they can say. Most companies do, or at least once their lawyers soak them for a million dollars for something some mouthy employee posts, then they have such policies :) I've been on this list for a couple of years, and we have seen several Valve people come and go. For the most part we have received silence, and then every now and then someone like you pops up and actually contributes to the list, answers questions, and addresses issues. For a while. Then one day they vanish, and we get nothing but silence for another six months. I imagine most of us that have been around here for a while are 1) glad we get what support we do get and 2) have lost a lot of respect for Valve because of the many prolonged episodes of silence that we get. I think I speak for most if not all of us when I say we are very gratefull for your presence here, and all you contribute. And don't forget - we are on the outside looking in, and all we know is what you tell us. You might take for granted information that none of us have access to. Maybe you aren't allowed to talk about things like how many programmers you have, what they work on, what their plans are priorities are, etc. Over the years we have discussed many problems here and we come away from these discussions frustrated and angry because Valve won't tell us what is going on. - Original Message - From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > This is the dedicated server list, not a HL2DM one (we are accepting > of all mods on this list ;-) Actually lots of people in the company > subscribe to this list but only a couple of us are game enough to > dabble our toes in the proverbial torrent of this list. There is also > no shooting of messengers, Valve has a very flat and egalitarian > structure (I am a programmer working on a large range of projects, I > just also happen to participate in this list). > > - Alfred > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham > Robinson > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:21 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > Alfred, > > I'm sure that I speak for everyone on this mailing list when I say > thank you for actually listening and responding to us. But when you > say that the HL2DM team are preparing the update*, where are they? > Don't they subscribe to their own mailing list? You seem to be the > messenger, which inevitably means you will be shot (probably with some > form of awp) for just passing on someone else's information. > > * Obviously you said 'we' here but you have said this in different > emails. > > Graham > > On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:05:35 -0800, Alfred Reynolds > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We are preparing the release right now, it will be out later today. >> >> - Alfred > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
Sure, great, whatever. I've been here for years as well and I've seen about 11 months go by since the last VAC update. So how about that quote in late December of "VAC2 is coming 'soon'"? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:19 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch If you consider what goes through this list a "torrent", what do you consider what goes through the SteamPowered forums? :-) I would imagine that Valve has very strict rules governing who can post here and what they can say. Most companies do, or at least once their lawyers soak them for a million dollars for something some mouthy employee posts, then they have such policies :) I've been on this list for a couple of years, and we have seen several Valve people come and go. For the most part we have received silence, and then every now and then someone like you pops up and actually contributes to the list, answers questions, and addresses issues. For a while. Then one day they vanish, and we get nothing but silence for another six months. I imagine most of us that have been around here for a while are 1) glad we get what support we do get and 2) have lost a lot of respect for Valve because of the many prolonged episodes of silence that we get. I think I speak for most if not all of us when I say we are very gratefull for your presence here, and all you contribute. And don't forget - we are on the outside looking in, and all we know is what you tell us. You might take for granted information that none of us have access to. Maybe you aren't allowed to talk about things like how many programmers you have, what they work on, what their plans are priorities are, etc. Over the years we have discussed many problems here and we come away from these discussions frustrated and angry because Valve won't tell us what is going on. - Original Message - From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > This is the dedicated server list, not a HL2DM one (we are accepting of > all mods on this list ;-) > Actually lots of people in the company subscribe to this list but only a > couple of us are game enough to dabble our toes in the proverbial > torrent of this list. There is also no shooting of messengers, Valve has > a very flat and egalitarian structure (I am a programmer working on a > large range of projects, I just also happen to participate in this > list). > > - Alfred > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham Robinson > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:21 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > Alfred, > > I'm sure that I speak for everyone on this mailing list when I say thank > you for actually listening and responding to us. But when you say that > the HL2DM team are preparing the update*, where are they? > Don't they subscribe to their own mailing list? You seem to be the > messenger, which inevitably means you will be shot (probably with some > form of awp) for just passing on someone else's information. > > * Obviously you said 'we' here but you have said this in different > emails. > > Graham > > On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:05:35 -0800, Alfred Reynolds > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We are preparing the release right now, it will be out later today. >> >> - Alfred > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
If you consider what goes through this list a "torrent", what do you consider what goes through the SteamPowered forums? :-) I would imagine that Valve has very strict rules governing who can post here and what they can say. Most companies do, or at least once their lawyers soak them for a million dollars for something some mouthy employee posts, then they have such policies :) I've been on this list for a couple of years, and we have seen several Valve people come and go. For the most part we have received silence, and then every now and then someone like you pops up and actually contributes to the list, answers questions, and addresses issues. For a while. Then one day they vanish, and we get nothing but silence for another six months. I imagine most of us that have been around here for a while are 1) glad we get what support we do get and 2) have lost a lot of respect for Valve because of the many prolonged episodes of silence that we get. I think I speak for most if not all of us when I say we are very gratefull for your presence here, and all you contribute. And don't forget - we are on the outside looking in, and all we know is what you tell us. You might take for granted information that none of us have access to. Maybe you aren't allowed to talk about things like how many programmers you have, what they work on, what their plans are priorities are, etc. Over the years we have discussed many problems here and we come away from these discussions frustrated and angry because Valve won't tell us what is going on. - Original Message - From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch This is the dedicated server list, not a HL2DM one (we are accepting of all mods on this list ;-) Actually lots of people in the company subscribe to this list but only a couple of us are game enough to dabble our toes in the proverbial torrent of this list. There is also no shooting of messengers, Valve has a very flat and egalitarian structure (I am a programmer working on a large range of projects, I just also happen to participate in this list). - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham Robinson Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:21 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch Alfred, I'm sure that I speak for everyone on this mailing list when I say thank you for actually listening and responding to us. But when you say that the HL2DM team are preparing the update*, where are they? Don't they subscribe to their own mailing list? You seem to be the messenger, which inevitably means you will be shot (probably with some form of awp) for just passing on someone else's information. * Obviously you said 'we' here but you have said this in different emails. Graham On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:05:35 -0800, Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We are preparing the release right now, it will be out later today. - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
I think we all appreciate your dabbling here Alfred even if it's to listen to us bitch and moan with our fustrations. At least someone is at a minimum listening to the customer even if not always responding. :--) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alfred Reynolds Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 3:32 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch This is the dedicated server list, not a HL2DM one (we are accepting of all mods on this list ;-) Actually lots of people in the company subscribe to this list but only a couple of us are game enough to dabble our toes in the proverbial torrent of this list. There is also no shooting of messengers, Valve has a very flat and egalitarian structure (I am a programmer working on a large range of projects, I just also happen to participate in this list). - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham Robinson Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:21 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch Alfred, I'm sure that I speak for everyone on this mailing list when I say thank you for actually listening and responding to us. But when you say that the HL2DM team are preparing the update*, where are they? Don't they subscribe to their own mailing list? You seem to be the messenger, which inevitably means you will be shot (probably with some form of awp) for just passing on someone else's information. * Obviously you said 'we' here but you have said this in different emails. Graham On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:05:35 -0800, Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are preparing the release right now, it will be out later today. > > - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
Alfred, despite some of us that are utterly frustrated over issues like having our servers crashed with the player models, and now this new skull hack bug, I don't think we are intending to belittle you or Valve, since you put out our favorite games. We know that it is a group of malicious hackers that are doing this to your game, and to our servers running your game. We are just desparate, and mainly angry at the myg0t crowd. I do think that many of us had an expectation that with Steam, you would be able to be all over any new hack or cheat that was causing such community strife, and patch it within hours...so that is a cause of disappointment. For whatever reason, I can see that Valve is not able to fix major exploits like this for days or weeks, and we need to come to terms with that failed expectation we had about Steam. I just don't want you to lose sight of the fact that we do very much appreciate your being a part of this list, and hearing our frustrations. I go back to my image of you looking like Alfred from the Batman shows. ;-) - Original Message - From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch This is the dedicated server list, not a HL2DM one (we are accepting of all mods on this list ;-) Actually lots of people in the company subscribe to this list but only a couple of us are game enough to dabble our toes in the proverbial torrent of this list. There is also no shooting of messengers, Valve has a very flat and egalitarian structure (I am a programmer working on a large range of projects, I just also happen to participate in this list). - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
This is the dedicated server list, not a HL2DM one (we are accepting of all mods on this list ;-) Actually lots of people in the company subscribe to this list but only a couple of us are game enough to dabble our toes in the proverbial torrent of this list. There is also no shooting of messengers, Valve has a very flat and egalitarian structure (I am a programmer working on a large range of projects, I just also happen to participate in this list). - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham Robinson Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:21 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch Alfred, I'm sure that I speak for everyone on this mailing list when I say thank you for actually listening and responding to us. But when you say that the HL2DM team are preparing the update*, where are they? Don't they subscribe to their own mailing list? You seem to be the messenger, which inevitably means you will be shot (probably with some form of awp) for just passing on someone else's information. * Obviously you said 'we' here but you have said this in different emails. Graham On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:05:35 -0800, Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are preparing the release right now, it will be out later today. > > - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
Alfred, I'm sure that I speak for everyone on this mailing list when I say thank you for actually listening and responding to us. But when you say that the HL2DM team are preparing the update*, where are they? Don't they subscribe to their own mailing list? You seem to be the messenger, which inevitably means you will be shot (probably with some form of awp) for just passing on someone else's information. * Obviously you said 'we' here but you have said this in different emails. Graham On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:05:35 -0800, Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are preparing the release right now, it will be out later today. > > - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
Mark, that plugin described and linked in this Steam Forum thread does fix the problem. My three HL2 servers have been up for 24 hours now without a crash. It is so easy to install, and who knows if and when Valve will release a patch for this. http://tinyurl.com/5mxnl - Original Message - From: "Mark Borden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:53 PM Subject: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alfred, What is with the delay in the patch for HL2DM to correct the te exploit? Servers are crashing everywhere I can hardly ban the punks before someone else is on doing it. Mark -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
We are preparing the release right now, it will be out later today. - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Borden Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:53 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alfred, What is with the delay in the patch for HL2DM to correct the te exploit? Servers are crashing everywhere I can hardly ban the punks before someone else is on doing it. Mark -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alfred, What is with the delay in the patch for HL2DM to correct the te exploit? Servers are crashing everywhere I can hardly ban the punks before someone else is on doing it. Mark -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
