Re: [hlds] Petition
On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Robert Paulson wrote: > The most popular CSS servers are zombiemod, and they all make most of > their money selling pay-to-win perks. Do you mean servers using the Store plugin? I suppose it's possible for them to charge for credits, but that's present in TF as well. They're pretty easy to avoid, sv_tags is usually set (if not overflowed). I know we don't play games like that, so if you're in NA at least you have a low latency alternative ;) Kyle. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition
Running purely on donations used to be a good choice when Valve didn't disable attachable items for server owners. Most of the people here supporting more restrictions aren't even talking about TF2, they are talking about CSS. In CSS, there is no quickplay problem and many communities sell items that aren't possible in TF2. The most popular CSS servers are zombiemod, and they all make most of their money selling pay-to-win perks. I'm not asking Valve to stop reloading ads every second in the background, but repeatedly removing features instead of fixing it properly is a horrible decision. As modders/server owners it feels like Valve doesn't care about us, as though we do not contribute to the popularity of the game, or as though we are not players ourselves and keenly aware of what is players like and what tradeoffs they would prefer. How many of you here bought TF2 thinking Valve was going to remove all these features and make it 100x harder for people to find non-stock maps and settings like nocrit and faster respawn? When TF2 was released, there was an implicit understanding that server owners would have a similar level of autonomy as in CSS/GMOD/HL2. This understanding is gone now which is why CS:GO has such a mediocre player base. On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Paul wrote: > Donations are pretty much a thing of the past for the majority of > communities, unless you happen to run some premium (practically cheating) > in-game benefits model. The donation model was more than feasable back when > the game wasn't free to play and didn't have an in-game store to buy > virtual items with real money. These days it's not anywhere near as easy to > do, more so if most of your players are coming from Quickplay. > > Reality does unfortunately appear to be this: > - Valve doesn't care as long as their actions don't result in a > considerable drop in the popularity of the game which they modified > - Officials won't reply to topics such as this, mainly as they aren't > accountable to any of us and I expect they don't really care much of our > views anyway > - Valve will very likely ignore or will not co-operate with Pinion (or any > other related service) in changing how the recent MOTD changes were > implemented > > Reality sucks I know, but I'm pretty sure those three points are valid. We > could continue protesting or debating, I for one would like HTML MOTD's in > a limited form (e.g. to disable Flash and HTML5 audio/video for Quickplay > clients) to be the thing for Quickplay clients, but I doubt they'll change > their stance on this :x. > > > > > On 9 November 2013 18:01, Andre Müller wrote: > >> I'm more on valves side. The html-motd is confusing the quickjoin >> players. I'm not interested in big communities who get money with their >> motd (adverts, clicks). It's not my problem how they do pay their servers. >> I had long time a clan, which was paying itself the servers and without >> adverts and other annoying stuff. So, if a community can't deal with it, >> shut it down. There will come 10 new communities. Always the same shit, >> crying communities without money. Learn to collect money from your members >> to pay your infrastructure. >> >> >> 2013/11/9 Alteran Ancient >> >>> This argument is fruitless... really. In more ways than one. >>> >>> After watching this go on for a day or two, I've come to a conclusion. >>> People that join the old-fashioned way, are joining these servers by choice >>> and therefore the server operators are more than entitled to show them >>> whatever they want on the MOTD. I am starting to agree with the principle >>> that those who enter through quick-join shouldn't be slurped-up by >>> overnight server behemoths for the purpose of gaining Ad impressions. Cut >>> out that means as a way to roll in the dosh and let players support their >>> servers through choice, not chance, and the groups abusing this system to >>> get cheap impressions on their MOTD are going to have less of an incentive >>> to do so. >>> >>> Petitions are normally pointless. Most people don't bother with them, >>> and most companies don't even listen to them, because they're not legally >>> obligated to do anything about them. I'll tell you what's even more >>> pointless, though. Bickering. Friendly and *constructive* debates are >>> helpful and get more done than petty arguing and trolling. Guys such as >>> ElitePowered and Dr. McKay have the right mindset in that arguing and >>> fighting on a *mailing list* is pointless. Please, if you've got >>> personal quarrels, take them outside. >>> >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailma
Re: [hlds] Petition
Donations are pretty much a thing of the past for the majority of communities, unless you happen to run some premium (practically cheating) in-game benefits model. The donation model was more than feasable back when the game wasn't free to play and didn't have an in-game store to buy virtual items with real money. These days it's not anywhere near as easy to do, more so if most of your players are coming from Quickplay. Reality does unfortunately appear to be this: - Valve doesn't care as long as their actions don't result in a considerable drop in the popularity of the game which they modified - Officials won't reply to topics such as this, mainly as they aren't accountable to any of us and I expect they don't really care much of our views anyway - Valve will very likely ignore or will not co-operate with Pinion (or any other related service) in changing how the recent MOTD changes were implemented Reality sucks I know, but I'm pretty sure those three points are valid. We could continue protesting or debating, I for one would like HTML MOTD's in a limited form (e.g. to disable Flash and HTML5 audio/video for Quickplay clients) to be the thing for Quickplay clients, but I doubt they'll change their stance on this :x. On 9 November 2013 18:01, Andre Müller wrote: > I'm more on valves side. The html-motd is confusing the quickjoin players. > I'm not interested in big communities who get money with their motd > (adverts, clicks). It's not my problem how they do pay their servers. I had > long time a clan, which was paying itself the servers and without adverts > and other annoying stuff. So, if a community can't deal with it, shut it > down. There will come 10 new communities. Always the same shit, crying > communities without money. Learn to collect money from your members to pay > your infrastructure. > > > 2013/11/9 Alteran Ancient > >> This argument is fruitless... really. In more ways than one. >> >> After watching this go on for a day or two, I've come to a conclusion. >> People that join the old-fashioned way, are joining these servers by choice >> and therefore the server operators are more than entitled to show them >> whatever they want on the MOTD. I am starting to agree with the principle >> that those who enter through quick-join shouldn't be slurped-up by >> overnight server behemoths for the purpose of gaining Ad impressions. Cut >> out that means as a way to roll in the dosh and let players support their >> servers through choice, not chance, and the groups abusing this system to >> get cheap impressions on their MOTD are going to have less of an incentive >> to do so. >> >> Petitions are normally pointless. Most people don't bother with them, and >> most companies don't even listen to them, because they're not legally >> obligated to do anything about them. I'll tell you what's even more >> pointless, though. Bickering. Friendly and *constructive* debates are >> helpful and get more done than petty arguing and trolling. Guys such as >> ElitePowered and Dr. McKay have the right mindset in that arguing and >> fighting on a *mailing list* is pointless. Please, if you've got >> personal quarrels, take them outside. >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition
I'm more on valves side. The html-motd is confusing the quickjoin players. I'm not interested in big communities who get money with their motd (adverts, clicks). It's not my problem how they do pay their servers. I had long time a clan, which was paying itself the servers and without adverts and other annoying stuff. So, if a community can't deal with it, shut it down. There will come 10 new communities. Always the same shit, crying communities without money. Learn to collect money from your members to pay your infrastructure. 2013/11/9 Alteran Ancient > This argument is fruitless... really. In more ways than one. > > After watching this go on for a day or two, I've come to a conclusion. > People that join the old-fashioned way, are joining these servers by choice > and therefore the server operators are more than entitled to show them > whatever they want on the MOTD. I am starting to agree with the principle > that those who enter through quick-join shouldn't be slurped-up by > overnight server behemoths for the purpose of gaining Ad impressions. Cut > out that means as a way to roll in the dosh and let players support their > servers through choice, not chance, and the groups abusing this system to > get cheap impressions on their MOTD are going to have less of an incentive > to do so. > > Petitions are normally pointless. Most people don't bother with them, and > most companies don't even listen to them, because they're not legally > obligated to do anything about them. I'll tell you what's even more > pointless, though. Bickering. Friendly and *constructive* debates are > helpful and get more done than petty arguing and trolling. Guys such as > ElitePowered and Dr. McKay have the right mindset in that arguing and > fighting on a *mailing list* is pointless. Please, if you've got personal > quarrels, take them outside. > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition
This argument is fruitless... really. In more ways than one. After watching this go on for a day or two, I've come to a conclusion. People that join the old-fashioned way, are joining these servers by choice and therefore the server operators are more than entitled to show them whatever they want on the MOTD. I am starting to agree with the principle that those who enter through quick-join shouldn't be slurped-up by overnight server behemoths for the purpose of gaining Ad impressions. Cut out that means as a way to roll in the dosh and let players support their servers through choice, not chance, and the groups abusing this system to get cheap impressions on their MOTD are going to have less of an incentive to do so. Petitions are normally pointless. Most people don't bother with them, and most companies don't even listen to them, because they're not legally obligated to do anything about them. I'll tell you what's even more pointless, though. Bickering. Friendly and *constructive* debates are helpful and get more done than petty arguing and trolling. Guys such as ElitePowered and Dr. McKay have the right mindset in that arguing and fighting on a *mailing list* is pointless. Please, if you've got personal quarrels, take them outside. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition
Y'all have been squawking about this issue for a year. Valve has made a decision, after much thought and consideration, and another week of blather is pointless. Stop it. In any event, the real travesty is that the seal mask remains un-giftable. On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 8:31 AM, AnAkIn wrote: > Let's make a petition to keep it the way it is as well. > > > 2013/11/9 ElitePowered . > >> Instead of arguing with each other... Why not make a petition in regards >> to your stance on MOTD HTML. Post a link on the mailing list and urge >> people to get involved. If it gets enough attention, Valve would have to >> respond. I'm sure that will accomplish much more than what seems to be >> going on in the mailing list. gg >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition
Let's make a petition to keep it the way it is as well. 2013/11/9 ElitePowered . > Instead of arguing with each other... Why not make a petition in regards > to your stance on MOTD HTML. Post a link on the mailing list and urge > people to get involved. If it gets enough attention, Valve would have to > respond. I'm sure that will accomplish much more than what seems to be > going on in the mailing list. gg > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Petition
Instead of arguing with each other... Why not make a petition in regards to your stance on MOTD HTML. Post a link on the mailing list and urge people to get involved. If it gets enough attention, Valve would have to respond. I'm sure that will accomplish much more than what seems to be going on in the mailing list. gg ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
And with steam group servers, I'd like to be able to choose if friends from group members can join OR NOT I hate when I'm organizing a 8 players versus and some of my friends can't join as friends of other players were able to join and I don't know them Cold On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Robby Thrash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > The group server behavior needs to be fixed. It's fine if you want a > 24/7 mapcycle server, but it'd be a lot nicer if you could create a > lobby for it when it's empty (without having to know the > sv_search_key, and when you use sv_search_key, when you return to the > lobby after beating the campaign, it randomly assigns a new leader, > making it impossible to get back in). You should be able to create a > group lobby and choose whether it's group-only or public (obeying > sv_steamgroup_exclusive, of course). > > Also, why is it so complicated to make a new lobby in the first place? > Play Campaign > Play with friends > Create lobby > Permissions > > Public. I guess it's to have a positive ratio of people joining vs. > hosting... > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
The group server behavior needs to be fixed. It's fine if you want a 24/7 mapcycle server, but it'd be a lot nicer if you could create a lobby for it when it's empty (without having to know the sv_search_key, and when you use sv_search_key, when you return to the lobby after beating the campaign, it randomly assigns a new leader, making it impossible to get back in). You should be able to create a group lobby and choose whether it's group-only or public (obeying sv_steamgroup_exclusive, of course). Also, why is it so complicated to make a new lobby in the first place? Play Campaign > Play with friends > Create lobby > Permissions > Public. I guess it's to have a positive ratio of people joining vs. hosting... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
When I said "(Or should only have powers granted by server admins)" I meant you guys. There should obviously be some settings on servers to control how this all functions. But in essence, I want all of my community members to do all of what I said. Whether you guys want to be as lax with your members is something I think you guys should be able to control. On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Major Nut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Apologies for neglecting to change the Subject LINE!!! > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Major Nut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > @SaintK > > I believe this is a case of "you can't have your cake and eat it too" > > > > The search key by my interpretation of Valve is basically to tie a Lobby > to > > a DS. You are asking to have the search key ALSO by public. Lobbies by > > default (no search key set) are looking to match map, difficulty, mode, > and > > to some degree ping (theory). Why? Because the design is to give the > > players a choice on the game environment rather than viceversa, which is > > what all of us Admins are accustom to. This is my best reasoning for > your > > situation and quite possibly Valve may implement another cvar to allow > --> > > having and eating cake. If you want your servers publically available, > then > > do not use the search key, dont do a lobby, as the alternative is for ppl > > that CAN see the server just join it directly. > > > > @cc2iscool > > > > I guess I would say that your issue is dictated by your choice on effort > to > > educate. If you want your servers to be used only by your Community, > then > > you know how to do that. If those ppl want to specifically join it by > > Lobby, they'll have to take the time to find out. Every client had to > find > > out how to use the damn server browser (with/without Custom tab) etc. > > > > At this point, us server admins need to have an idea of what the purpose > is > > for each of your DS'. For myself, it's desired to only be used by our > > Community as this greatly minimizes, if not completely irradicates > players > > that sabotage. If you want a PUBLIC server, then ignore this > configuration > > offering. > > > > -- > > [FLASH] MjrNuT > > Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality > > > > www.flamesandash.com > > > >> > >> > >> Message: 4 > >> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:37:02 +0100 > >> From: "Saint K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > >> To: "'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'" > >> > >> Message-ID: > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> > >> Any reason why the server won't fill when the search key is set? From > what > >> I > >> understand its like a tag, but shouldn't block out others who are not > >> using > >> the search key? After I set the search key, non of the 24 servers is > >> getting > >> player activity, other then community members. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Major Nut > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:29 PM > >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > >> > >> I guess people have not figured this out yet, but we have our server > doing > >> all those things you are "petitioning for. Well, I have one exception > to > >> your list and that is: No. 4. You just have to know how to use it. The > >> point of the key is basically a filter to tie the lobby leader to the > >> desired DS, nothing more. Our has been quite successful the entire last > >> week: > >> > >> server.cfg has these elements and nothing extra aside from hostname, > rcon, > >> log commands: > >> > >> set steam group > >> no exclusive > >> set search key value, w/ no quotes > >> sv_allow_lobby connect cvar to 1 > >> > >> client setting: > >> > >> anyone wanting to be the lobby leader for that DS needs to enter in the > >> sv_search_key similarly. > >> > >> Here is a link to spell it out for those that feel this works just fine > as > >> I'm not the only that has this working d
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
Apologies for neglecting to change the Subject LINE!!! On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Major Nut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > @SaintK > I believe this is a case of "you can't have your cake and eat it too" > > The search key by my interpretation of Valve is basically to tie a Lobby to > a DS. You are asking to have the search key ALSO by public. Lobbies by > default (no search key set) are looking to match map, difficulty, mode, and > to some degree ping (theory). Why? Because the design is to give the > players a choice on the game environment rather than viceversa, which is > what all of us Admins are accustom to. This is my best reasoning for your > situation and quite possibly Valve may implement another cvar to allow --> > having and eating cake. If you want your servers publically available, then > do not use the search key, dont do a lobby, as the alternative is for ppl > that CAN see the server just join it directly. > > @cc2iscool > > I guess I would say that your issue is dictated by your choice on effort to > educate. If you want your servers to be used only by your Community, then > you know how to do that. If those ppl want to specifically join it by > Lobby, they'll have to take the time to find out. Every client had to find > out how to use the damn server browser (with/without Custom tab) etc. > > At this point, us server admins need to have an idea of what the purpose is > for each of your DS'. For myself, it's desired to only be used by our > Community as this greatly minimizes, if not completely irradicates players > that sabotage. If you want a PUBLIC server, then ignore this configuration > offering. > > -- > [FLASH] MjrNuT > Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality > > www.flamesandash.com > >> >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:37:02 +0100 >> From: "Saint K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers >> To: "'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'" >> >> Message-ID: >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Any reason why the server won't fill when the search key is set? From what >> I >> understand its like a tag, but shouldn't block out others who are not >> using >> the search key? After I set the search key, non of the 24 servers is >> getting >> player activity, other then community members. >> >> Cheers >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Major Nut >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:29 PM >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers >> >> I guess people have not figured this out yet, but we have our server doing >> all those things you are "petitioning for. Well, I have one exception to >> your list and that is: No. 4. You just have to know how to use it. The >> point of the key is basically a filter to tie the lobby leader to the >> desired DS, nothing more. Our has been quite successful the entire last >> week: >> >> server.cfg has these elements and nothing extra aside from hostname, rcon, >> log commands: >> >> set steam group >> no exclusive >> set search key value, w/ no quotes >> sv_allow_lobby connect cvar to 1 >> >> client setting: >> >> anyone wanting to be the lobby leader for that DS needs to enter in the >> sv_search_key similarly. >> >> Here is a link to spell it out for those that feel this works just fine as >> I'm not the only that has this working dandy: >> >> >> http://www.velocity-servers.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5365&pid=18873&st >> =0&#entry18873<http://www.velocity-servers.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5365&pid=18873&st=0&#entry18873> >> >> >> -- >> [FLASH] MjrNuT >> Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality >> >> www.flamesandash.com >> >> >> - >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:46:47 -0600 >> From: Cc2iscooL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers >> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" >> >> Message-ID: >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Yes, you can use that, but the problem is... >> >> Most people are t
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
I have the same. If I leave my servers with a search key set, they remain empty. However, if a couple of us join using search key, people *do* start arriving in our game after that. I think I might work a bit like the sv_steamgroup_exlusive setting, whereby the server is only available to those in the steam group, until someone joins from that group, at which point it becomes public. 2008/12/2 Saint K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Any reason why the server won't fill when the search key is set? From what > I > understand its like a tag, but shouldn't block out others who are not using > the search key? After I set the search key, non of the 24 servers is > getting > player activity, other then community members. > > Cheers > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Major Nut > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:29 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > > I guess people have not figured this out yet, but we have our server doing > all those things you are "petitioning for. Well, I have one exception to > your list and that is: No. 4. You just have to know how to use it. The > point of the key is basically a filter to tie the lobby leader to the > desired DS, nothing more. Our has been quite successful the entire last > week: > > server.cfg has these elements and nothing extra aside from hostname, rcon, > log commands: > > set steam group > no exclusive > set search key value, w/ no quotes > sv_allow_lobby connect cvar to 1 > > client setting: > > anyone wanting to be the lobby leader for that DS needs to enter in the > sv_search_key similarly. > > Here is a link to spell it out for those that feel this works just fine as > I'm not the only that has this working dandy: > > > http://www.velocity-servers.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5365&pid=18873&st > =0&#entry18873<http://www.velocity-servers.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5365&pid=18873&st=0&#entry18873> > > > -- > [FLASH] MjrNuT > Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality > > www.flamesandash.com > > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:15 AM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > Subject: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > >anted by server admins) > > 4. No need to set any settings in console (s > > What I am calling for (The reasons should be self explanatory): > > > > 1. A method for creating a lobby "on" a particular server. > > 2. The ability to restrict (using Steam Groups) who can initially > create > > that lobby. > > 3. Those who can create lobbies on my server should be able to have > full > > lobby leader power over my server, including making it public if they > > need > > to fill spots. (Or should only have powers gruch as sv_search_key) for > the > > clients, and no need to set such settings on the server as well. > > Everything > > should be able to done using steam groups only (as a supplement to the > > existing system) > > > > If this sounds like something you would like to see implemented, sign on. > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
Yes, you can use that, but the problem is... Most people are too lazy or don't care enough about the servers they join to bother opening up their console every time they start their game and typing sv_search_key whatever every time they want to play a game. Sure, some community members that are big into your community might do so, but a lot of people don't even know how to open the console, let alone type that command. I've tried to educate my community on it, but it's not easy as people just don't want to take the time to do it. On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Major Nut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess people have not figured this out yet, but we have our server doing > all those things you are "petitioning for. Well, I have one exception to > your list and that is: No. 4. You just have to know how to use it. The > point of the key is basically a filter to tie the lobby leader to the > desired DS, nothing more. Our has been quite successful the entire last > week: > > server.cfg has these elements and nothing extra aside from hostname, rcon, > log commands: > > set steam group > no exclusive > set search key value, w/ no quotes > sv_allow_lobby connect cvar to 1 > > client setting: > > anyone wanting to be the lobby leader for that DS needs to enter in the > sv_search_key similarly. > > Here is a link to spell it out for those that feel this works just fine as > I'm not the only that has this working dandy: > > > http://www.velocity-servers.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5365&pid=18873&st=0&#entry18873 > > > -- > [FLASH] MjrNuT > Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality > > www.flamesandash.com > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:15 AM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > Subject: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > > > > What I am calling for (The reasons should be self explanatory): > > > > 1. A method for creating a lobby "on" a particular server. > > 2. The ability to restrict (using Steam Groups) who can initially > create > > that lobby. > > 3. Those who can create lobbies on my server should be able to have > full > > lobby leader power over my server, including making it public if they > > need > > to fill spots. (Or should only have powers granted by server admins) > > 4. No need to set any settings in console (such as sv_search_key) for > the > > clients, and no need to set such settings on the server as well. > > Everything > > should be able to done using steam groups only (as a supplement to the > > existing system) > > > > If this sounds like something you would like to see implemented, sign on. > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
Any reason why the server won't fill when the search key is set? From what I understand its like a tag, but shouldn't block out others who are not using the search key? After I set the search key, non of the 24 servers is getting player activity, other then community members. Cheers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Major Nut Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:29 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers I guess people have not figured this out yet, but we have our server doing all those things you are "petitioning for. Well, I have one exception to your list and that is: No. 4. You just have to know how to use it. The point of the key is basically a filter to tie the lobby leader to the desired DS, nothing more. Our has been quite successful the entire last week: server.cfg has these elements and nothing extra aside from hostname, rcon, log commands: set steam group no exclusive set search key value, w/ no quotes sv_allow_lobby connect cvar to 1 client setting: anyone wanting to be the lobby leader for that DS needs to enter in the sv_search_key similarly. Here is a link to spell it out for those that feel this works just fine as I'm not the only that has this working dandy: http://www.velocity-servers.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5365&pid=18873&st =0&#entry18873 -- [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality www.flamesandash.com > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:15 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > > What I am calling for (The reasons should be self explanatory): > > 1. A method for creating a lobby "on" a particular server. > 2. The ability to restrict (using Steam Groups) who can initially create > that lobby. > 3. Those who can create lobbies on my server should be able to have full > lobby leader power over my server, including making it public if they > need > to fill spots. (Or should only have powers granted by server admins) > 4. No need to set any settings in console (such as sv_search_key) for the > clients, and no need to set such settings on the server as well. > Everything > should be able to done using steam groups only (as a supplement to the > existing system) > > If this sounds like something you would like to see implemented, sign on. > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > -- > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
I guess people have not figured this out yet, but we have our server doing all those things you are "petitioning for. Well, I have one exception to your list and that is: No. 4. You just have to know how to use it. The point of the key is basically a filter to tie the lobby leader to the desired DS, nothing more. Our has been quite successful the entire last week: server.cfg has these elements and nothing extra aside from hostname, rcon, log commands: set steam group no exclusive set search key value, w/ no quotes sv_allow_lobby connect cvar to 1 client setting: anyone wanting to be the lobby leader for that DS needs to enter in the sv_search_key similarly. Here is a link to spell it out for those that feel this works just fine as I'm not the only that has this working dandy: http://www.velocity-servers.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5365&pid=18873&st=0&#entry18873 -- [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality www.flamesandash.com > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:15 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > > What I am calling for (The reasons should be self explanatory): > > 1. A method for creating a lobby "on" a particular server. > 2. The ability to restrict (using Steam Groups) who can initially create > that lobby. > 3. Those who can create lobbies on my server should be able to have full > lobby leader power over my server, including making it public if they > need > to fill spots. (Or should only have powers granted by server admins) > 4. No need to set any settings in console (such as sv_search_key) for the > clients, and no need to set such settings on the server as well. > Everything > should be able to done using steam groups only (as a supplement to the > existing system) > > If this sounds like something you would like to see implemented, sign on. > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > -- > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
Serious +1 On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 6:32 AM, Patrick Shelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > oh, and restrictions on pubbers kicking steam groupers :) > > Pretty please with sugar on top ! > > On 12/2/08, Cc2iscooL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Why can't it be like the following, instead? > > > > Say you have servers assigned to your group. Player from your group sees > an > > empty server and wants to play in it (via the Community Server menu.) > > Client > > then creates a lobby and sets a reserve on the server via the join > > community > > server menu. As long as the lobby is active, client's computer sends a > > heartbeat to the server (every 30-60 seconds) to let it know it should > not > > take another connection. If client stops heartbeat, assume lobby > destroyed > > and set reservation 0. This would only happen if the server were empty, > > otherwise client would join server as is currently. > > > > I haven't heard a peep from Valve on this list besides about a few days > > after L4D released. I don't think it's time to take a hiatus yet, guys. > You > > have games, exploits, and problems to fix. > > > > Could I at least ask for a fix for the L4D melee bug and a fix for > > mapchange > > lockups on TF2 for Christmas? > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Flubber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Well maybe it should be since Valve almost didn't say a word since the > > game > > > was released... > > > > > > 2008/12/2 DontWannaName! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Is it that time already to get our pitchforks and torches? Christmas > > must > > > > have come early. Or is it the time to... > > > > http://www.petitionspot.com/start-a-petition/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Dr.Stinglock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list < > > > > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:29:32 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > > > > > > > > I was going to just do /nosign for points 1.2 and 4. But then I > thought > > I > > > > should explain my answers. > > > > > > > > 1. It would make more sense to have a lobby directed to a specific > > server > > > > by > > > > the lobby leader, otherwise people will be idling in servers waiting > to > > > get > > > > a team together. There is no real need for a lobby to be on a > > particular > > > > server and this seems a waste. /nosign > > > > > > > > 2. What happens when those users that can create a server are offline > > or > > > > not > > > > playing? And would it not make sense to allow this permission to > people > > > who > > > > have moderator or admin access to the steam group instead of creating > > an > > > > entirely new group just for admins? /nosign > > > > > > > > 3. Some sort of ingame steam group managed server admin access. > /signed > > > > > > > > 4. So you want steam group server lists via the community then? > That's > > > the > > > > only way I could see this working if you didn't want to have any > > settings > > > > on > > > > the server or the client to inform it that it is part of a steam > group. > > > > Still, that relys on the steam community telling your server it is a > > > member > > > > of it. > > > > > > > > This idea really sounds broken, no settings on the server? So you can > > > just > > > > grab any server and use it as a community server as you don't have to > > set > > > > anything on the server itself? /nosign > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 3:15 PM > > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > > > Subject: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > > > > > > > > What I am calling for (The reasons should be self explanatory): > > > > > > &g
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
oh, and restrictions on pubbers kicking steam groupers :) Pretty please with sugar on top ! On 12/2/08, Cc2iscooL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why can't it be like the following, instead? > > Say you have servers assigned to your group. Player from your group sees an > empty server and wants to play in it (via the Community Server menu.) > Client > then creates a lobby and sets a reserve on the server via the join > community > server menu. As long as the lobby is active, client's computer sends a > heartbeat to the server (every 30-60 seconds) to let it know it should not > take another connection. If client stops heartbeat, assume lobby destroyed > and set reservation 0. This would only happen if the server were empty, > otherwise client would join server as is currently. > > I haven't heard a peep from Valve on this list besides about a few days > after L4D released. I don't think it's time to take a hiatus yet, guys. You > have games, exploits, and problems to fix. > > Could I at least ask for a fix for the L4D melee bug and a fix for > mapchange > lockups on TF2 for Christmas? > > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Flubber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well maybe it should be since Valve almost didn't say a word since the > game > > was released... > > > > 2008/12/2 DontWannaName! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Is it that time already to get our pitchforks and torches? Christmas > must > > > have come early. Or is it the time to... > > > http://www.petitionspot.com/start-a-petition/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > From: Dr.Stinglock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list < > > > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:29:32 AM > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > > > > > > I was going to just do /nosign for points 1.2 and 4. But then I thought > I > > > should explain my answers. > > > > > > 1. It would make more sense to have a lobby directed to a specific > server > > > by > > > the lobby leader, otherwise people will be idling in servers waiting to > > get > > > a team together. There is no real need for a lobby to be on a > particular > > > server and this seems a waste. /nosign > > > > > > 2. What happens when those users that can create a server are offline > or > > > not > > > playing? And would it not make sense to allow this permission to people > > who > > > have moderator or admin access to the steam group instead of creating > an > > > entirely new group just for admins? /nosign > > > > > > 3. Some sort of ingame steam group managed server admin access. /signed > > > > > > 4. So you want steam group server lists via the community then? That's > > the > > > only way I could see this working if you didn't want to have any > settings > > > on > > > the server or the client to inform it that it is part of a steam group. > > > Still, that relys on the steam community telling your server it is a > > member > > > of it. > > > > > > This idea really sounds broken, no settings on the server? So you can > > just > > > grab any server and use it as a community server as you don't have to > set > > > anything on the server itself? /nosign > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad > > > Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 3:15 PM > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > > Subject: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > > > > > > What I am calling for (The reasons should be self explanatory): > > > > > > 1. A method for creating a lobby "on" a particular server. > > > 2. The ability to restrict (using Steam Groups) who can initially > > create > > > that lobby. > > > 3. Those who can create lobbies on my server should be able to have > > full > > > lobby leader power over my server, including making it public if they > > > need > > > to fill spots. (Or should only have powers granted by server admins) > > > 4. No need to set any settings in console (such as sv_search_key) for > > the > > > clients, and no need to set such settings on the se
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
Why can't it be like the following, instead? Say you have servers assigned to your group. Player from your group sees an empty server and wants to play in it (via the Community Server menu.) Client then creates a lobby and sets a reserve on the server via the join community server menu. As long as the lobby is active, client's computer sends a heartbeat to the server (every 30-60 seconds) to let it know it should not take another connection. If client stops heartbeat, assume lobby destroyed and set reservation 0. This would only happen if the server were empty, otherwise client would join server as is currently. I haven't heard a peep from Valve on this list besides about a few days after L4D released. I don't think it's time to take a hiatus yet, guys. You have games, exploits, and problems to fix. Could I at least ask for a fix for the L4D melee bug and a fix for mapchange lockups on TF2 for Christmas? On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Flubber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well maybe it should be since Valve almost didn't say a word since the game > was released... > > 2008/12/2 DontWannaName! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Is it that time already to get our pitchforks and torches? Christmas must > > have come early. Or is it the time to... > > http://www.petitionspot.com/start-a-petition/ > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Dr.Stinglock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list < > > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:29:32 AM > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > > > > I was going to just do /nosign for points 1.2 and 4. But then I thought I > > should explain my answers. > > > > 1. It would make more sense to have a lobby directed to a specific server > > by > > the lobby leader, otherwise people will be idling in servers waiting to > get > > a team together. There is no real need for a lobby to be on a particular > > server and this seems a waste. /nosign > > > > 2. What happens when those users that can create a server are offline or > > not > > playing? And would it not make sense to allow this permission to people > who > > have moderator or admin access to the steam group instead of creating an > > entirely new group just for admins? /nosign > > > > 3. Some sort of ingame steam group managed server admin access. /signed > > > > 4. So you want steam group server lists via the community then? That's > the > > only way I could see this working if you didn't want to have any settings > > on > > the server or the client to inform it that it is part of a steam group. > > Still, that relys on the steam community telling your server it is a > member > > of it. > > > > This idea really sounds broken, no settings on the server? So you can > just > > grab any server and use it as a community server as you don't have to set > > anything on the server itself? /nosign > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad > > Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 3:15 PM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > Subject: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > > > > What I am calling for (The reasons should be self explanatory): > > > > 1. A method for creating a lobby "on" a particular server. > > 2. The ability to restrict (using Steam Groups) who can initially > create > > that lobby. > > 3. Those who can create lobbies on my server should be able to have > full > > lobby leader power over my server, including making it public if they > > need > > to fill spots. (Or should only have powers granted by server admins) > > 4. No need to set any settings in console (such as sv_search_key) for > the > > clients, and no need to set such settings on the server as well. > > Everything > > should be able to done using steam groups only (as a supplement to the > > existing system) > > > > If this sounds like something you would like to see implemented, sign on. > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
Well maybe it should be since Valve almost didn't say a word since the game was released... 2008/12/2 DontWannaName! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Is it that time already to get our pitchforks and torches? Christmas must > have come early. Or is it the time to... > http://www.petitionspot.com/start-a-petition/ > > > > > > From: Dr.Stinglock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list < > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:29:32 AM > Subject: Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > > I was going to just do /nosign for points 1.2 and 4. But then I thought I > should explain my answers. > > 1. It would make more sense to have a lobby directed to a specific server > by > the lobby leader, otherwise people will be idling in servers waiting to get > a team together. There is no real need for a lobby to be on a particular > server and this seems a waste. /nosign > > 2. What happens when those users that can create a server are offline or > not > playing? And would it not make sense to allow this permission to people who > have moderator or admin access to the steam group instead of creating an > entirely new group just for admins? /nosign > > 3. Some sort of ingame steam group managed server admin access. /signed > > 4. So you want steam group server lists via the community then? That's the > only way I could see this working if you didn't want to have any settings > on > the server or the client to inform it that it is part of a steam group. > Still, that relys on the steam community telling your server it is a member > of it. > > This idea really sounds broken, no settings on the server? So you can just > grab any server and use it as a community server as you don't have to set > anything on the server itself? /nosign > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad > Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 3:15 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > > What I am calling for (The reasons should be self explanatory): > > 1. A method for creating a lobby "on" a particular server. > 2. The ability to restrict (using Steam Groups) who can initially create > that lobby. > 3. Those who can create lobbies on my server should be able to have full > lobby leader power over my server, including making it public if they > need > to fill spots. (Or should only have powers granted by server admins) > 4. No need to set any settings in console (such as sv_search_key) for the > clients, and no need to set such settings on the server as well. > Everything > should be able to done using steam groups only (as a supplement to the > existing system) > > If this sounds like something you would like to see implemented, sign on. > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
Is it that time already to get our pitchforks and torches? Christmas must have come early. Or is it the time to... http://www.petitionspot.com/start-a-petition/ From: Dr.Stinglock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:29:32 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers I was going to just do /nosign for points 1.2 and 4. But then I thought I should explain my answers. 1. It would make more sense to have a lobby directed to a specific server by the lobby leader, otherwise people will be idling in servers waiting to get a team together. There is no real need for a lobby to be on a particular server and this seems a waste. /nosign 2. What happens when those users that can create a server are offline or not playing? And would it not make sense to allow this permission to people who have moderator or admin access to the steam group instead of creating an entirely new group just for admins? /nosign 3. Some sort of ingame steam group managed server admin access. /signed 4. So you want steam group server lists via the community then? That's the only way I could see this working if you didn't want to have any settings on the server or the client to inform it that it is part of a steam group. Still, that relys on the steam community telling your server it is a member of it. This idea really sounds broken, no settings on the server? So you can just grab any server and use it as a community server as you don't have to set anything on the server itself? /nosign -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 3:15 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers What I am calling for (The reasons should be self explanatory): 1. A method for creating a lobby "on" a particular server. 2. The ability to restrict (using Steam Groups) who can initially create that lobby. 3. Those who can create lobbies on my server should be able to have full lobby leader power over my server, including making it public if they need to fill spots. (Or should only have powers granted by server admins) 4. No need to set any settings in console (such as sv_search_key) for the clients, and no need to set such settings on the server as well. Everything should be able to done using steam groups only (as a supplement to the existing system) If this sounds like something you would like to see implemented, sign on. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
I was going to just do /nosign for points 1.2 and 4. But then I thought I should explain my answers. 1. It would make more sense to have a lobby directed to a specific server by the lobby leader, otherwise people will be idling in servers waiting to get a team together. There is no real need for a lobby to be on a particular server and this seems a waste. /nosign 2. What happens when those users that can create a server are offline or not playing? And would it not make sense to allow this permission to people who have moderator or admin access to the steam group instead of creating an entirely new group just for admins? /nosign 3. Some sort of ingame steam group managed server admin access. /signed 4. So you want steam group server lists via the community then? That's the only way I could see this working if you didn't want to have any settings on the server or the client to inform it that it is part of a steam group. Still, that relys on the steam community telling your server it is a member of it. This idea really sounds broken, no settings on the server? So you can just grab any server and use it as a community server as you don't have to set anything on the server itself? /nosign -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 3:15 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers What I am calling for (The reasons should be self explanatory): 1. A method for creating a lobby "on" a particular server. 2. The ability to restrict (using Steam Groups) who can initially create that lobby. 3. Those who can create lobbies on my server should be able to have full lobby leader power over my server, including making it public if they need to fill spots. (Or should only have powers granted by server admins) 4. No need to set any settings in console (such as sv_search_key) for the clients, and no need to set such settings on the server as well. Everything should be able to done using steam groups only (as a supplement to the existing system) If this sounds like something you would like to see implemented, sign on. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
+1 2008/12/2 Saint K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Yes, we deffo need more work on this to be done. The start is good, but it > needs a lot of polishing to make it work properly! > > Signed. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:15 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers > > What I am calling for (The reasons should be self explanatory): > > 1. A method for creating a lobby "on" a particular server. > 2. The ability to restrict (using Steam Groups) who can initially create > that lobby. > 3. Those who can create lobbies on my server should be able to have full > lobby leader power over my server, including making it public if they > need > to fill spots. (Or should only have powers granted by server admins) > 4. No need to set any settings in console (such as sv_search_key) for the > clients, and no need to set such settings on the server as well. > Everything > should be able to done using steam groups only (as a supplement to the > existing system) > > If this sounds like something you would like to see implemented, sign on. > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
Yes, we deffo need more work on this to be done. The start is good, but it needs a lot of polishing to make it work properly! Signed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:15 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers What I am calling for (The reasons should be self explanatory): 1. A method for creating a lobby "on" a particular server. 2. The ability to restrict (using Steam Groups) who can initially create that lobby. 3. Those who can create lobbies on my server should be able to have full lobby leader power over my server, including making it public if they need to fill spots. (Or should only have powers granted by server admins) 4. No need to set any settings in console (such as sv_search_key) for the clients, and no need to set such settings on the server as well. Everything should be able to done using steam groups only (as a supplement to the existing system) If this sounds like something you would like to see implemented, sign on. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
Hell yeah!! On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Brad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I am calling for (The reasons should be self explanatory): > > 1. A method for creating a lobby "on" a particular server. > 2. The ability to restrict (using Steam Groups) who can initially create > that lobby. > 3. Those who can create lobbies on my server should be able to have full > lobby leader power over my server, including making it public if they > need > to fill spots. (Or should only have powers granted by server admins) > 4. No need to set any settings in console (such as sv_search_key) for the > clients, and no need to set such settings on the server as well. > Everything > should be able to done using steam groups only (as a supplement to the > existing system) > > If this sounds like something you would like to see implemented, sign on. > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Petition: Lobbies for Group Servers
What I am calling for (The reasons should be self explanatory): 1. A method for creating a lobby "on" a particular server. 2. The ability to restrict (using Steam Groups) who can initially create that lobby. 3. Those who can create lobbies on my server should be able to have full lobby leader power over my server, including making it public if they need to fill spots. (Or should only have powers granted by server admins) 4. No need to set any settings in console (such as sv_search_key) for the clients, and no need to set such settings on the server as well. Everything should be able to done using steam groups only (as a supplement to the existing system) If this sounds like something you would like to see implemented, sign on. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
