RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work
Use a mediator plugin that kicks after X kills people with a certain K:D ratio. The mediator also warns of the kick and tell player where to get CD. Add CD as part of your server name so people looking for CD servers know yours is one. The first week of CD does tend to be lighter, but after that levels begin to return to normal. Over time you can lower the kill amount and K:D ratio for the kicks. Using these basic steps works quite well and the reduction in cheaters is a beautiful thing. The down side is there are some items they need to change on the client to handle common mistakes, like people launching CD while playing the game. It gives you the impression it worked but does not. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 11:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work not to mention the fact that nothing empties a server faster than requiring CD. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:06 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work > > > Tell you what. You name me ONE league that supports CD as an > excepted option > then. Everybody talks about using it, nobody does, and nobody allows it in > any league that I know of. So on that note... UPDATE VAC!!! > Ray Spaulding > www.raynserv.com/rod > This is a good point, not to mention the fact that nothing empties a server faster than requiring CD. My server was full every day. I had a problem with cheaters and installed CD. After that I was lucky if I had more than 5 players at any given time. I removed CD, and my server filled right up again. Don't get me wrong, I think the CD concept is great, but it's too much of a pain for most clients to use for whatever reason. Personally, I just kept forgetting to run it before I started the game. When I was booted from a server for not having it, it was just easier and faster to find another server rather than shut down the game, start CD, start the game, find the server, and join. I think if the writers of CD could put a shortcut on the desktop that starts CD, then starts the game, you would see a huge boost in usage because there would be nothing to forget and once installed, you'd never have to think about it again. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work
I hope you are making a joke If you are not, it certainly explains a lot of things :( Man, it would also explain why VAC is not being updated. Because the obvious implication of hackers having unlimited access to STEAM_ID's means that even if VAC was 100% effective against known cheats, it doesn't matter one bit, its like a virtual Groundhog Day. Get busted by VAC, come back with a new STEAM_ID and keep hacking away until VAC bans that STEAM_ID again, like nothing at ever happened. Moreover, it only goes to prove my point that delayed banning definitely will not work as a viable solution if the STEAM_ID system is compromised, no matter how good VAC may or may not be! On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:19:52 -0400, K. Mike Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's a little know secret that when the source code for HL2 was stolen, > hackers broke the steam ID number system and can now generate tens of > thousands of valid steam numbers. > > Enjoy! > > SCREW ALL BLACK HAT HACKERS AND TERRORISTS! > > >>>If a day at the beach was a metaphor for life, there would be people who > trash sand castles and people who build them. The survival of mankind > depends on how many more people build sand castles than trash them. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper . > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:06 PM > To: HLDS > Subject: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work > > The methodology that VAC uses with this delayed banning does not work. > > This is why. > > Either there is a hole in the STEAM_ID system or these hackers appear to > have a supply of almost unlimited numbers of STEAM_ID's available to them, > or at least that is how it is now appearing to us. > > We have a few hackers circulating through our servers who we banned more > times than we can count. We have sophisticated systems to deal with removing > hackers and trouble makers from our 80 odd HL based servers and they always > come back, with new STEAM_ID's and/or new IP addresses. > > We are now resorting to dealing directly with other ISP's to get these > peoples services supended, as some of you are aware this is ridiculously > time consuming and not always a viable option in any case. > > Now as you can see, if you use the detect delay ban method VAC employs, > these hackers that have access to vast amounts of STEAM_ID's never get > caught because it is days/weeks/months between them using a STEAM_ID and > then having that STEAM_ID permanently taken out of the system. > > At the rate of 1 ban per 3 days (using the detect, delay, ban > methodology) it will take 300 bloody days for VAC to ban somebody who has > access to 100 STEAM_ID's, if its a week, it will take just under 3 friggin > years to remove them all!! > > This has to end or a critical mass will be achieved and Valve's games will > die and then we will all be out of a job! > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work
It's a little know secret that when the source code for HL2 was stolen, hackers broke the steam ID number system and can now generate tens of thousands of valid steam numbers. Enjoy! SCREW ALL BLACK HAT HACKERS AND TERRORISTS! >>>If a day at the beach was a metaphor for life, there would be people who trash sand castles and people who build them. The survival of mankind depends on how many more people build sand castles than trash them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:06 PM To: HLDS Subject: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work The methodology that VAC uses with this delayed banning does not work. This is why. Either there is a hole in the STEAM_ID system or these hackers appear to have a supply of almost unlimited numbers of STEAM_ID's available to them, or at least that is how it is now appearing to us. We have a few hackers circulating through our servers who we banned more times than we can count. We have sophisticated systems to deal with removing hackers and trouble makers from our 80 odd HL based servers and they always come back, with new STEAM_ID's and/or new IP addresses. We are now resorting to dealing directly with other ISP's to get these peoples services supended, as some of you are aware this is ridiculously time consuming and not always a viable option in any case. Now as you can see, if you use the detect delay ban method VAC employs, these hackers that have access to vast amounts of STEAM_ID's never get caught because it is days/weeks/months between them using a STEAM_ID and then having that STEAM_ID permanently taken out of the system. At the rate of 1 ban per 3 days (using the detect, delay, ban methodology) it will take 300 bloody days for VAC to ban somebody who has access to 100 STEAM_ID's, if its a week, it will take just under 3 friggin years to remove them all!! This has to end or a critical mass will be achieved and Valve's games will die and then we will all be out of a job! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work
Well I was all for doing things the way Valve was doing it to allow them confuse cheat creators about exactly which hacks are or are not detected, then I thought about the implications of what occurs if the hackers have access to unlimited numbers (or at least appear to be) STEAM_ID's and then did the maths. All you end up with is pissed off gamers, especially when VAC "IS" working but this stupid "detect now, ban later" policy allows the hackers plenty of time to piss a lot of people off and generally cause admins life hell as well as not really effecting the hardcore cheat who has access to so many STEAM_ID's and STEAM Accounts that banning them every couple of days, even though VAC is fully aware they are cheating, serves no purpose, except to allow cheats to more time to use a particular STEAM Account for longer than they would get if they were banned the instant VAC detects them. A nice little "VAC detected cheat on so & so" message on the server would go a a long way to winning the PR war too! And serve as a warning for others to not cheat or they wil get caught! On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:27:00 +0200, Brandon Dumont - MWEB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why don't people use cd in leagues? > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:06 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work > > > > Tell you what. You name me ONE league that supports CD as an > > excepted option then. Everybody talks about using it, nobody > > does, and nobody allows it in any league that I know of. So > > on that note... UPDATE VAC!!! > > Ray Spaulding > > www.raynserv.com/rod > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Deadman Standing > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:47 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work > > > > This always makes me laugh, "This has to end or a critical > > mass will be achieved and Valve's games will die and then we > > will all be out of a job!" > > > > Makes you wonder what mythical non-hacked game these players > > are moving too, since any game I can think of has cheats > > available for it. If you are so worried about hackers run > > Cheating Death with a mediator plugin. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper . > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:06 PM > > To: HLDS > > Subject: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work > > > > The methodology that VAC uses with this delayed banning does not work. > > > > This is why. > > > > Either there is a hole in the STEAM_ID system or these > > hackers appear to have a supply of almost unlimited numbers > > of STEAM_ID's available to them, or at least that is how it > > is now appearing to us. > > > > We have a few hackers circulating through our servers who we > > banned more times than we can count. We have sophisticated > > systems to deal with removing hackers and trouble makers from > > our 80 odd HL based servers and they always come back, with > > new STEAM_ID's and/or new IP addresses. > > > > We are now resorting to dealing directly with other ISP's to > > get these peoples services supended, as some of you are aware > > this is ridiculously time consuming and not always a viable > > option in any case. > > > > Now as you can see, if you use the detect delay ban method > > VAC employs, these hackers that have access to vast amounts > > of STEAM_ID's never get caught because it is > > days/weeks/months between them using a STEAM_ID and then > > having that STEAM_ID permanently taken out of the system. > > > > At the rate of 1 ban per 3 days (using the detect, delay, ban > > methodology) it will take 300 bloody days for VAC to ban > > somebody who has access to 100 STEAM_ID's, if its a week, it > > will take just under 3 friggin years to remove them all!! > > > > This has to end or a critical mass will be achieved and > > Valve's games will die and then we will all be out of a job! > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > ___
RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work
Why don't people use cd in leagues? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work > > Tell you what. You name me ONE league that supports CD as an > excepted option then. Everybody talks about using it, nobody > does, and nobody allows it in any league that I know of. So > on that note... UPDATE VAC!!! > Ray Spaulding > www.raynserv.com/rod > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Deadman Standing > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:47 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work > > This always makes me laugh, "This has to end or a critical > mass will be achieved and Valve's games will die and then we > will all be out of a job!" > > Makes you wonder what mythical non-hacked game these players > are moving too, since any game I can think of has cheats > available for it. If you are so worried about hackers run > Cheating Death with a mediator plugin. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper . > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:06 PM > To: HLDS > Subject: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work > > The methodology that VAC uses with this delayed banning does not work. > > This is why. > > Either there is a hole in the STEAM_ID system or these > hackers appear to have a supply of almost unlimited numbers > of STEAM_ID's available to them, or at least that is how it > is now appearing to us. > > We have a few hackers circulating through our servers who we > banned more times than we can count. We have sophisticated > systems to deal with removing hackers and trouble makers from > our 80 odd HL based servers and they always come back, with > new STEAM_ID's and/or new IP addresses. > > We are now resorting to dealing directly with other ISP's to > get these peoples services supended, as some of you are aware > this is ridiculously time consuming and not always a viable > option in any case. > > Now as you can see, if you use the detect delay ban method > VAC employs, these hackers that have access to vast amounts > of STEAM_ID's never get caught because it is > days/weeks/months between them using a STEAM_ID and then > having that STEAM_ID permanently taken out of the system. > > At the rate of 1 ban per 3 days (using the detect, delay, ban > methodology) it will take 300 bloody days for VAC to ban > somebody who has access to 100 STEAM_ID's, if its a week, it > will take just under 3 friggin years to remove them all!! > > This has to end or a critical mass will be achieved and > Valve's games will die and then we will all be out of a job! > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > MWEB: S.A.'s trusted Internet Service Provider. Just Like that. To join, click here or call 08600 32000. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work
Well if you want to block hacks, look at the hacks available for VAC and those that work on CD. I would use that as a better measure than what a league decides if you really want to reduce hackers. I would also recommend looking at how fast new hacks are released for VAC verses CD. Wrapping yourself up in the recommendation of a league is not going to protect you from hackers. Then again you can ignore those points and continue to play with hackers, the choice is yours. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work Tell you what. You name me ONE league that supports CD as an excepted option then. Everybody talks about using it, nobody does, and nobody allows it in any league that I know of. So on that note... UPDATE VAC!!! Ray Spaulding www.raynserv.com/rod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work
Tell you what. You name me ONE league that supports CD as an excepted option then. Everybody talks about using it, nobody does, and nobody allows it in any league that I know of. So on that note... UPDATE VAC!!! Ray Spaulding www.raynserv.com/rod -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deadman Standing Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work This always makes me laugh, "This has to end or a critical mass will be achieved and Valve's games will die and then we will all be out of a job!" Makes you wonder what mythical non-hacked game these players are moving too, since any game I can think of has cheats available for it. If you are so worried about hackers run Cheating Death with a mediator plugin. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:06 PM To: HLDS Subject: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work The methodology that VAC uses with this delayed banning does not work. This is why. Either there is a hole in the STEAM_ID system or these hackers appear to have a supply of almost unlimited numbers of STEAM_ID's available to them, or at least that is how it is now appearing to us. We have a few hackers circulating through our servers who we banned more times than we can count. We have sophisticated systems to deal with removing hackers and trouble makers from our 80 odd HL based servers and they always come back, with new STEAM_ID's and/or new IP addresses. We are now resorting to dealing directly with other ISP's to get these peoples services supended, as some of you are aware this is ridiculously time consuming and not always a viable option in any case. Now as you can see, if you use the detect delay ban method VAC employs, these hackers that have access to vast amounts of STEAM_ID's never get caught because it is days/weeks/months between them using a STEAM_ID and then having that STEAM_ID permanently taken out of the system. At the rate of 1 ban per 3 days (using the detect, delay, ban methodology) it will take 300 bloody days for VAC to ban somebody who has access to 100 STEAM_ID's, if its a week, it will take just under 3 friggin years to remove them all!! This has to end or a critical mass will be achieved and Valve's games will die and then we will all be out of a job! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work
This always makes me laugh, "This has to end or a critical mass will be achieved and Valve's games will die and then we will all be out of a job!" Makes you wonder what mythical non-hacked game these players are moving too, since any game I can think of has cheats available for it. If you are so worried about hackers run Cheating Death with a mediator plugin. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:06 PM To: HLDS Subject: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work The methodology that VAC uses with this delayed banning does not work. This is why. Either there is a hole in the STEAM_ID system or these hackers appear to have a supply of almost unlimited numbers of STEAM_ID's available to them, or at least that is how it is now appearing to us. We have a few hackers circulating through our servers who we banned more times than we can count. We have sophisticated systems to deal with removing hackers and trouble makers from our 80 odd HL based servers and they always come back, with new STEAM_ID's and/or new IP addresses. We are now resorting to dealing directly with other ISP's to get these peoples services supended, as some of you are aware this is ridiculously time consuming and not always a viable option in any case. Now as you can see, if you use the detect delay ban method VAC employs, these hackers that have access to vast amounts of STEAM_ID's never get caught because it is days/weeks/months between them using a STEAM_ID and then having that STEAM_ID permanently taken out of the system. At the rate of 1 ban per 3 days (using the detect, delay, ban methodology) it will take 300 bloody days for VAC to ban somebody who has access to 100 STEAM_ID's, if its a week, it will take just under 3 friggin years to remove them all!! This has to end or a critical mass will be achieved and Valve's games will die and then we will all be out of a job! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work
Probably and this is not helping at all one bit! On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:36:11 -0700 (PDT), CyberGameZone.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Not 'will', is dying. > > Or the last time I checked. Look at the numbers. > > > > "Whisper ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The methodology that VAC uses with this delayed banning does not work. > > This is why. > > Either there is a hole in the STEAM_ID system or these hackers appear > to have a supply of almost unlimited numbers of STEAM_ID's available > to them, or at least that is how it is now appearing to us. > > We have a few hackers circulating through our servers who we banned > more times than we can count. We have sophisticated systems to deal > with removing hackers and trouble makers from our 80 odd HL based > servers and they always come back, with new STEAM_ID's and/or new IP > addresses. > > We are now resorting to dealing directly with other ISP's to get these > peoples services supended, as some of you are aware this is > ridiculously time consuming and not always a viable option in any > case. > > Now as you can see, if you use the detect delay ban method VAC > employs, these hackers that have access to vast amounts of STEAM_ID's > never get caught because it is days/weeks/months between them using a > STEAM_ID and then having that STEAM_ID permanently taken out of the > system. > > At the rate of 1 ban per 3 days (using the detect, delay, ban > methodology) it will take 300 bloody days for VAC to ban somebody who > has access to 100 STEAM_ID's, if its a week, it will take just under 3 > friggin years to remove them all!! > > This has to end or a critical mass will be achieved and Valve's games > will die and then we will all be out of a job! > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > YIM: cybergamezone2002 > > Gaming Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com > > My League: http://league.cybergamezone.com > > Hotwheels Website: http://store.cybergamezone.com > > Gaming Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.net > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Not 'will', is dying. Or the last time I checked. Look at the numbers. "Whisper ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The methodology that VAC uses with this delayed banning does not work. This is why. Either there is a hole in the STEAM_ID system or these hackers appear to have a supply of almost unlimited numbers of STEAM_ID's available to them, or at least that is how it is now appearing to us. We have a few hackers circulating through our servers who we banned more times than we can count. We have sophisticated systems to deal with removing hackers and trouble makers from our 80 odd HL based servers and they always come back, with new STEAM_ID's and/or new IP addresses. We are now resorting to dealing directly with other ISP's to get these peoples services supended, as some of you are aware this is ridiculously time consuming and not always a viable option in any case. Now as you can see, if you use the detect delay ban method VAC employs, these hackers that have access to vast amounts of STEAM_ID's never get caught because it is days/weeks/months between them using a STEAM_ID and then having that STEAM_ID permanently taken out of the system. At the rate of 1 ban per 3 days (using the detect, delay, ban methodology) it will take 300 bloody days for VAC to ban somebody who has access to 100 STEAM_ID's, if its a week, it will take just under 3 friggin years to remove them all!! This has to end or a critical mass will be achieved and Valve's games will die and then we will all be out of a job! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds YIM: cybergamezone2002 Gaming Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com My League: http://league.cybergamezone.com Hotwheels Website: http://store.cybergamezone.com Gaming Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.net - Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
