RE: [hlds] RE: Valve are you listening?
Wheelchair ramp for the humor impaired.. cute.. see now that's why I still stick around. :) -LOL Btw as to this place not being a place to 'bitch', thats bunk, back in the day numerous issues were eventually addressed due to constant 'bitching' on this list, they just usually lag 6 to 12 months. That said I dont even own HL2, so I could careless about the current debate, I'm just here for the yuks and to drag out the thwack stick when called for. :) *alt-tab's back to poker game* ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Re: Valve are you listening?
Thanks Wally3k :) I was really beginning to wonder if anyone here had a brain. - Original Message - From: WaLLy3K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: [hlds] Re: Valve are you listening? As blunt as he may be, can you *honestly* say he doesn't have a point there? :( Morthy would have either had to be telling fibs, doesn't play the game enough to SEE the bugs occur or is just completely ignorant. I would say it was my second thought. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:09 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve are you listening? Dude your an asshat and about 12 years old right? STFU and if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all. You can always tell the people that are 2 years old by the language they use. Dumbass. MOFCLAN.NET :: Bush wrote: I'm sorry to say this... But you're a fucking liar if you've never seen a bug in any of those games. You're completely wrong.. Are you saying that there are NO bugs? If thats what you're saying maybe you should umm.. make sure you're playing the correct games. I think you're full of shit and should get off of this mailing list. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve are you listening? I've never encountered any bugs in HL1. I've never encountered any bugs in HL2. I've never encountered any bugs in CSS. I've never encountered any bugs in DODS. A LOT more people are fine with Valve games, they just don't need to post and say so. Jon Dawson Londinivm Productions www.londinivm.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] None of the issues I listed above, other than the FPS issue which happens to far too many people to be considered an isolated incident, has anything to do with the hardware/software combinations players or server operators use. On 2/18/06, MOFCLAN.NET :: Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Wally3k :) I was really beginning to wonder if anyone here had a brain. - Original Message - From: WaLLy3K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: [hlds] Re: Valve are you listening? As blunt as he may be, can you *honestly* say he doesn't have a point there? :( Morthy would have either had to be telling fibs, doesn't play the game enough to SEE the bugs occur or is just completely ignorant. I would say it was my second thought. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:09 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve are you listening? Dude your an asshat and about 12 years old right? STFU and if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all. You can always tell the people that are 2 years old by the language they use. Dumbass. MOFCLAN.NET :: Bush wrote: I'm sorry to say this... But you're a fucking liar if you've never seen a bug in any of those games. You're completely wrong.. Are you saying that there are NO bugs? If thats what you're saying maybe you should umm.. make sure you're playing the correct games. I think you're full of shit and should get off of this mailing list. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve are you listening? I've never encountered any bugs in HL1. I've never encountered any bugs in HL2. I've never encountered any bugs in CSS. I've never encountered any bugs in DODS. A LOT more people are fine with Valve games, they just don't need to post and say so. Jon Dawson Londinivm Productions www.londinivm.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] RE: Valve are you listening?
Note to self: take me off this damn list, useless! --- Dan Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A boycott would accomplish nothing. The MP servers are not a revenue source for Valve other than to entice more people to purchase the next game. Those CS:S servers are what will make people buy Red Orchestra sight unseen, but they've already bought CS:S. Worse, what incentive would Valve have to spend resources creating patches if their multi-player community dried up? Valve and we form a symbiotic relationship. If we break our side of it, we break their side as well. Likewise, if Valve quits supporting the games we'll have no incentive to host them. We each must pull our weight. That said, there's nothing that prevents us from organizing and providing constructive (and perhaps persuasive) feedback. On your forums perhaps get a top 10 list of things valve should concentrate on fixing for your game of choice. In-game maybe every 30 minutes flash Go to http://www.valve-bugs.org to note bugs or whatever you feel appropriate. Bring this list to these forums and now valve has constructive, useful feedback to base their decisions on. Complaining to a game developer though from our position is kind of like a user complaining to the help desk -- at some point the desire to help is squashed unless there's also some positive feedback as well. - Dan * Dan Sorenson DoD #1066 A.H.M.C. #35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Vikings? There ain't no vikings here. Just us honest farmers. * * The town was burning, the villagers were dead. They didn't need * * those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. * ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] RE: Valve are you listening?
http://www.valve-bugs.org does not exist. Someone said: This list isn't for bitching, it's for Dedicated Server issues. If you have bugs, talk about them. If you think something should work differently, say so. Do not bitch. No one wants to listen to it. Bitching will not get Valve to listen any more than they already do. My answer is: The bugs are contained within the dedicated source server.. therefore this list qualifies. Thanks for your comment though. Please continue on with your life. - Original Message - From: Dan Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:21 PM Subject: [hlds] RE: Valve are you listening? A boycott would accomplish nothing. The MP servers are not a revenue source for Valve other than to entice more people to purchase the next game. Those CS:S servers are what will make people buy Red Orchestra sight unseen, but they've already bought CS:S. Worse, what incentive would Valve have to spend resources creating patches if their multi-player community dried up? Valve and we form a symbiotic relationship. If we break our side of it, we break their side as well. Likewise, if Valve quits supporting the games we'll have no incentive to host them. We each must pull our weight. That said, there's nothing that prevents us from organizing and providing constructive (and perhaps persuasive) feedback. On your forums perhaps get a top 10 list of things valve should concentrate on fixing for your game of choice. In-game maybe every 30 minutes flash Go to http://www.valve-bugs.org to note bugs or whatever you feel appropriate. Bring this list to these forums and now valve has constructive, useful feedback to base their decisions on. Complaining to a game developer though from our position is kind of like a user complaining to the help desk -- at some point the desire to help is squashed unless there's also some positive feedback as well. - Dan * Dan Sorenson DoD #1066 A.H.M.C. #35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Vikings? There ain't no vikings here. Just us honest farmers. * * The town was burning, the villagers were dead. They didn't need * * those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. * ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: Valve are you listening?
He was giving an example actually. (OK So I talked to a friend of mine about what's going on in the great Northwest (or northern Cali in the case of the ROCK) And he said it's mostly just that people are working on other stuff, like the HDR stuff and what was HL2:AL, but will now be several episodes. But that they do have a long list of stuff to fix.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MOFCLAN.NET :: Bush Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:45 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: Valve are you listening? http://www.valve-bugs.org does not exist. Someone said: This list isn't for bitching, it's for Dedicated Server issues. If you have bugs, talk about them. If you think something should work differently, say so. Do not bitch. No one wants to listen to it. Bitching will not get Valve to listen any more than they already do. My answer is: The bugs are contained within the dedicated source server.. therefore this list qualifies. Thanks for your comment though. Please continue on with your life. - Original Message - From: Dan Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:21 PM Subject: [hlds] RE: Valve are you listening? A boycott would accomplish nothing. The MP servers are not a revenue source for Valve other than to entice more people to purchase the next game. Those CS:S servers are what will make people buy Red Orchestra sight unseen, but they've already bought CS:S. Worse, what incentive would Valve have to spend resources creating patches if their multi-player community dried up? Valve and we form a symbiotic relationship. If we break our side of it, we break their side as well. Likewise, if Valve quits supporting the games we'll have no incentive to host them. We each must pull our weight. That said, there's nothing that prevents us from organizing and providing constructive (and perhaps persuasive) feedback. On your forums perhaps get a top 10 list of things valve should concentrate on fixing for your game of choice. In-game maybe every 30 minutes flash Go to http://www.valve-bugs.org to note bugs or whatever you feel appropriate. Bring this list to these forums and now valve has constructive, useful feedback to base their decisions on. Complaining to a game developer though from our position is kind of like a user complaining to the help desk -- at some point the desire to help is squashed unless there's also some positive feedback as well. - Dan * Dan Sorenson DoD #1066 A.H.M.C. #35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Vikings? There ain't no vikings here. Just us honest farmers. * * The town was burning, the villagers were dead. They didn't need * * those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. * ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] RE: Valve are you listening?
At 10:45 PM 2/17/2006 -0500, you wrote: http://www.valve-bugs.org does not exist. Do you have a DNS server and $5? It could. I was making a hypothetical example. For example, there is also no host for http://videos.bill-gates-with-sheep.org, but that has nothing to do with the points raised in any argument regarding Bill Gates, or sheep. It's a hypothetical. One could do a whois search, but really in this case that's just a wheelchair ramp for the humor-impaired. - Dan * Dan Sorenson DoD #1066 A.H.M.C. #35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Vikings? There ain't no vikings here. Just us honest farmers. * * The town was burning, the villagers were dead. They didn't need * * those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. * ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Re: Valve are you listening?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] The netcode explantion in the developer wiki is a great example: On a 33 tickrate server lets assume the player has a 150ms ping, with 20 updates a second and 1/3 of them are lost, this is how the Source netcode will operate.. I am paraphrasing of course, but I doubt many of us care to cater for a person on this sort of connection, as they are the minority now. We do what we can though I guess. On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:03:51, Dan Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:18 AM 2/15/2006 -0500, you wrote: Errm - I think the Half-Life Series and Steam(r) are VALVe's flagship products... And let's not forget to count DoD:S among those -- if Valve thought it was worth buying as a mod and bringing development in-house it's probably safe to say it's one of their flagship products. This is a SERVER mailing list... you rant about how you want better gameplay. Maybe you should check out the steam forums? Nah, if I want whining I'd take a helpdesk job. Seems to me the object on this list is to perhaps fine-tune our servers to best serve the masses. Which is why it strikes me as odd that Valve has been less than forthcoming with things such as server-side variables and what environment they use for testing. It's difficult for us to offer feedback when we don't know what's changed in the environment. Alfred? I like ya, really, but why aren't Valve developers populating the Wiki with information we could use? Or why isn't the Valve dev list doing something similar? That would help alleviate your job as sole contact for questions and make our lives easier as well. For example, is there a list of all server-side variables and their effects? If so, where? If not, why not? - Dan * Dan Sorenson DoD #1066 A.H.M.C. #35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Vikings? There ain't no vikings here. Just us honest farmers. * * The town was burning, the villagers were dead. They didn't need * * those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. * ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
