RE: [hlds_linux] bandwidth use
Day of defeat uses default rate 4000, 4Kbyte/sec * 31 players = 124KByte/sec = 7.4Mbyte/minute = 435 Mb/hour 435Mb/hour * 24 * 30 days a month = 313 Gigabytes a months. Your rate, server fillup and the measurement accuracy may vary, but 160GB is a very common figure. Popz. (www.clawsandteeth.com) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Edge100x Sent: woensdag 27 november 2002 22:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] bandwidth use I feel sorry for anyone who's charged by the gigabyte. Why? It's not a coincidence that most of the serious ISPs charge by 95th percentile -- they want a good estimation of what people are using during peak hours so they can accomodate accordingly as far as purchasing a big enough pipe. GB/month can be misleading for that, resulting in an ISP buying too little bandwidth sometimes. (Thus, going by GB/month is better suited for TCP-style traffic, where the pipe can fill up and everything still works just fine, albeit a bit slower -- with UDP gaming traffic, it's much more noticable when you run out of bandwidth!) In additon, when you're charged by the GB, a big (multiple gigabyte) one-time download/upload (or a few of them) could murder your bill for the month, whereas with 95th percentile, you probably wouldn't be charged at all for it (since the top 5% of the samples are dropped). There are other reasons why 95th percentile is generally better for both the provider and customer, but I'm tired and can't think of them right now ;) Edge100x - Original Message - From: Anthony Swan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:56 AM Subject: [hlds_linux] bandwidth use Hi, I run a single Day of Defeat server with a max of 31 users ( 31 + 1 always open slot). My ISP is reporting bandwith usage of 160+ GB per month (for just this server + SSH connections). This seems excessive to me. I was wondering if anyone with experience could tell me if this is average/low/high. I have maxrate set to 2 and minrate set to 500. As just a rough estimate, I would say that the average observed in-game ping was in the high 70s to low 100s. Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] VAC detections
Hi there - Up till now I have banned players that VAC detects, no questions asked... as it is usually someone with an obviously moronic name and/or behavior. Recently a regular player and admin was detected and banned for 24 hours by VAC. Assuming of course he is the innocent guy I perceive him to be, how serious should I consider the ban? Are there known causes of false positives that we can check for? Also, is there a global blacklist associated with VAC? If so, what does it take to be listed there (ie: multiple violations)? Thanks! Mike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
On Wednesday 27 November 2002 22:12, Mike Guadagnino wrote: Hi there - Up till now I have banned players that VAC detects, no questions asked... as it is usually someone with an obviously moronic name and/or behavior. Recently a regular player and admin was detected and banned for 24 hours by VAC. Assuming of course he is the innocent guy I perceive him to be, how serious should I consider the ban? Are there known causes of false positives that we can check for? Also, is there a global blacklist associated with VAC? If so, what does it take to be listed there (ie: multiple violations)? Thanks! Mike You might wanna actually read this list, if you just joined go to the archive for this one... this is something being discussed a lot... -- Insert clever remark here ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
Unfortunately this is the ONLY thing that has not been discussed so far, forgive me if I disagree. Nobody said a WORD about possible causes for illegitimate ban, nobody STATED for how long bans last (ok, there was ONE person who said that, but we need confirmation) and there was NOTHING conclusive about it. Maybe a lot of topics mentioning VAC, but very little VAC-related. So far, those questions from Mike were the best addition to the discussion. Fresh, short and straight to the point practical questions. A good start. At 07:41 PM 11/27/2002, you wrote: On Wednesday 27 November 2002 22:12, Mike Guadagnino wrote: Hi there - Up till now I have banned players that VAC detects, no questions asked... as it is usually someone with an obviously moronic name and/or behavior. Recently a regular player and admin was detected and banned for 24 hours by VAC. Assuming of course he is the innocent guy I perceive him to be, how serious should I consider the ban? Are there known causes of false positives that we can check for? Also, is there a global blacklist associated with VAC? If so, what does it take to be listed there (ie: multiple violations)? Thanks! Mike You might wanna actually read this list, if you just joined go to the archive for this one... this is something being discussed a lot... -- Insert clever remark here ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:41:16PM +0100, Rene Luckow wrote: On Wednesday 27 November 2002 22:12, Mike Guadagnino wrote: Hi there - Up till now I have banned players that VAC detects, no questions asked... as it is usually someone with an obviously moronic name and/or behavior. Recently a regular player and admin was detected and banned for 24 hours by VAC. Assuming of course he is the innocent guy I perceive him to be, how serious should I consider the ban? Are there known causes of false positives that we can check for? Also, is there a global blacklist associated with VAC? If so, what does it take to be listed there (ie: multiple violations)? Thanks! Mike You might wanna actually read this list, if you just joined go to the archive for this one... this is something being discussed a lot... Doesn't mean it can't be discussed again =) Get him to remove and reinstall CS, that should fix it. He's got 24hrs to do something other than play the game. I'd treat a futher catch as highly suspect. -- James. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] hostages' health
Hostages do not get injured when jumping from high places ! on cs_assault, when jumping from the platform to the floor I loose at least 13 points of health, while hostages jumping after me keep their health at 100% ! Maybe this is known, but completely new to me. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 12:18, James Clark wrote: Doesn't mean it can't be discussed again =) Get him to remove and reinstall CS, that should fix it. He's got 24hrs to do something other than play the game. This is the problem as I see it though. why should he have to stop playing for 24 hours because of something not his fault. Why should he have to waste his time reinstalling halflife because of something that isnt his problem. Why dont we have the ability to say Go to this site, enter your WONID and you will be able to check if you are banned. On the page it also has a support medium that VALVe can help you if you believe you have been falsely banned.They are very prompt in replying to you, and appreciate the feedback as this may be related to a VAC bug. Im all for VAC and global banning, but it HAS to be supported by those who impliment and enforce it. None of us can provide support for it, so it has to be VALVe. Doesnt the simple fact that remove and reinstall CS, that should fix it. is the answer ring alarm bells for anyone else here but me? I'd treat a futher catch as highly suspect. Or a possible error with the latest module and his individual equipment/OS/config/setup. -- James. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
Thank you. Before posting I read through the archives (several months of them!), at least as much as I could before concluding that even if there were discussions relating to my questions, it might be beneficial for a really good overview. Additionally, I think it would great to hear from those who have been doing this for a while how seriously the latest VAC detections are being taken... especially those have been doing this since it's inception. From what I understand, the global list applies a 24 hour ban. Do most of you simply abide by that for a single violation, then ban permanently for multiple? Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/27/02 2:41:16 PM On Wednesday 27 November 2002 22:12, Mike Guadagnino wrote: Hi there - Up till now I have banned players that VAC detects, no questions asked... as it is usually someone with an obviously moronic name and/or behavior. Recently a regular player and admin was detected and banned for 24 hours by VAC. Assuming of course he is the innocent guy I perceive him to be, how serious should I consider the ban? Are there known causes of false positives that we can check for? Also, is there a global blacklist associated with VAC? If so, what does it take to be listed there (ie: multiple violations)? Thanks! Mike You might wanna actually read this list, if you just joined go to the archive for this one... this is something being discussed a lot... -- Insert clever remark here ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
Mike Guadagnino wrote: Thank you. Before posting I read through the archives (several months of them!), Is there a way to search the archives? Rather than to just surf through them? A search feature would be just grand. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hostages' health
Considering they have never jumped off of a ledge, they kind of just floated down, it's not new. Thanks -a- Adam 'Starblazer' Romberg 920-233-3280 System Administrator ExtremePC LLC, Oshkosh, Wisconsin http://www.extremepcgaming.net On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Capriotti wrote: Hostages do not get injured when jumping from high places ! on cs_assault, when jumping from the platform to the floor I loose at least 13 points of health, while hostages jumping after me keep their health at 100% ! Maybe this is known, but completely new to me. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 12:35:45PM +1300, Jeremy Brooking wrote: On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 12:18, James Clark wrote: Doesn't mean it can't be discussed again =) Get him to remove and reinstall CS, that should fix it. He's got 24hrs to do something other than play the game. This is the problem as I see it though. why should he have to stop playing for 24 hours because of something not his fault. Why should he have to waste his time reinstalling halflife because of something that isnt his problem. Why dont we have the ability to say Go to this site, enter your WONID and you will be able to check if you are banned. On the page it also has a support medium that VALVe can help you if you believe you have been falsely banned.They are very prompt in replying to you, and appreciate the feedback as this may be related to a VAC bug. Im all for VAC and global banning, but it HAS to be supported by those who impliment and enforce it. None of us can provide support for it, so it has to be VALVe. Doesnt the simple fact that remove and reinstall CS, that should fix it. is the answer ring alarm bells for anyone else here but me? I'd treat a futher catch as highly suspect. Or a possible error with the latest module and his individual equipment/OS/config/setup. -- James. Even if one of my personal friends got banned by VAC while playing CS on my servers I would still recommend same course of action. Only after it happenned again would I start to stress about VAC and a possible False Postive. -- James. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
nobody STATED for how long bans last Yes. Eric did. (ok, there was ONE person who said that, but we need confirmation) and there was NOTHING conclusive about it Eric, IMO would be a trust worthy source... Maybe a lot of topics mentioning VAC, but very little VAC-related. If you haven't noticed everyone is whining about the need to find out more info. That is VAC related. -- James. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] VAC false positive
Why not just find a way to stop them from installing single user apps on all of their machines If you know of a way, please enlighten me. That would require a helluvalot of intelligence in the installer. instead of making draconian EULA's. How many EULA's do you know of that do not define what the license agreement is in the first place? Why have a EULA at all? I can't ever recall having read a EULA for a commercial software product that didn't say you couldn't just install and run the single copy as many times as you want, that you can't give it out to all your friends, etc. That's the whole purpose of a EULA. Or, if you can detect it, then just send them a damn bill for the extra copies. Heh, that's a whole other can of worms, right there. Why burn the bridge with the revenue stream if some dolt in the IT department takes it upon himself to install multiple copies of your software? What bridges are burned? It's a very simple concept with easy solutions. Very few people find it unreasonable. Perhaps there's been some sort of miscommunication? Most companies would be willing to pay for the mistake rather than end up in court for piracy or loose a useful tool. Most companies purchase the appropriate licenses, and if they don't they usually do later when they realize that they're going to have trouble registering a single-user license on their entire network. I think your example is piracy, not EULA though. Again, the EULA exists almost exclusively to prevent piracy. They are not separate concepts. That's the whole point of a EULA. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
You HAVE to be kidding... Everybody complaining about something is definitely NOT doing something about it. Except for pressure which does not seem do be working very well, since we haven't heard a word from VALVe, so far. But that's their natural position; Collect data from our feedback and work. Unfortunately for us this is REALLY the best way for Valve to deal with the development. I say that because I would certainly choose doing the same. Sad but true... At 09:27 PM 11/27/2002, you wrote: If you haven't noticed everyone is whining about the need to find out more info. That is VAC related. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 13:27, James Clark wrote: nobody STATED for how long bans last Yes. Eric did. A search of the archives brings up this dated Oct 8th We'll make sure that anyone who was falsely detected during this period isn't banned from secure servers for 24 hours. Thats the only reference to a 24 hour banning period i can find from Eric since the introduction of VAC. Not really what youd call an official statement of how long bans are applied for, and whether more VAC bans results in longer ban periods. If I have missed a post of him stating how long the bans apply for please direct me to it. (ok, there was ONE person who said that, but we need confirmation) and there was NOTHING conclusive about it Eric, IMO would be a trust worthy source... With out a doubt. Maybe a lot of topics mentioning VAC, but very little VAC-related. If you haven't noticed everyone is whining about the need to find out more info. That is VAC related. Ok on July the 17th Eric posted: We don't have all the details worked out yet. Obviously, we don't want to be banning legitimate players. If there's ever a problem, we'll deal with it as quickly as we can. and If a server is in secure mode, players who have been detected cheating will not be allowed in. If there are ever any problems with false positives, we'll always do our best to resolve the problems quickly and fairly. And thats great! Just want we wanted to hear but... some people appear to be having false positive issues, and we are sitting here, asking for the support we were told we could get, and where is it? A link? an email? something... please. The more infomation about what VAC bans, how long the bans list for, If multiple bans ends up in a perminant one, what to do (besides reinstall, reformat, wait) if you are banned, the more help we can provide users ourselves, the less work and complaints sent to VALVe, the more productive they can be... The better the anti-cheat system ends up being for everyone! Im not asking for how VAC catchs cheats, what cheats dont get caught... just the basics, the answers to the common everyday questions that get asked. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] VAC false positive
Youre driving along, the police pull you over, and take away your car for a week, simply because of a mistake. Do you go Oh well its for the greater good or do you kick up a stink? If my playing an online game were necessary for my daily functionality, putting food on the table, etc, then I would raise a stink about being my 24-hour ban due to supposed false positives. I'd kick up a stink anyway, probably, but I wouldn't skullrape the whole system before anything actually happened. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] hostages' health
Hostages do not get injured when jumping from high places ! on cs_assault, when jumping from the platform to the floor I loose at least 13 points of health, while hostages jumping after me keep their health at 100% ! Heh, new to CS? :) -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
Get him to remove and reinstall CS, that should fix it. He's got 24hrs to do something other than play the game. This is the problem as I see it though. why should he have to stop playing for 24 hours because of something not his fault. Why? Because the system is not perfect. The system will never be perfect, of course, but until it is, these rare anomalies are just part of the game. It's not that big a deal. Let's move on. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
I have to say, two of my admins were picked up by VAC yesterday. These are two people I know personally, and I know for a fact they would have nothing that youw be constituted as a cheat. Unfortunatley this also meant that for 24 hours, two of the people that patrol my servers, and look after clan wars were out of commission. This is an issue that needs to be addressed. -Original Message- From: Capriotti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2002 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections You HAVE to be kidding... Everybody complaining about something is definitely NOT doing something about it. Except for pressure which does not seem do be working very well, since we haven't heard a word from VALVe, so far. But that's their natural position; Collect data from our feedback and work. Unfortunately for us this is REALLY the best way for Valve to deal with the development. I say that because I would certainly choose doing the same. Sad but true... At 09:27 PM 11/27/2002, you wrote: If you haven't noticed everyone is whining about the need to find out more info. That is VAC related. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] VAC false positive
On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 14:04, Eric (Deacon) wrote: Youre driving along, the police pull you over, and take away your car for a week, simply because of a mistake. Do you go Oh well its for the greater good or do you kick up a stink? If my playing an online game were necessary for my daily functionality, putting food on the table, etc, then I would raise a stink about being my 24-hour ban due to supposed false positives. I'd kick up a stink anyway, probably, but I wouldn't skullrape the whole system before anything actually happened. Driving your care isnt necessary either, it just helps. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
