RE: [hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs

2003-02-11 Thread SQLBoy

> Yeah, man...that's what gets me down sometimes.  I work for a software
> company (not a developer, myself), and sometimes you end up talking to
> some net admin that's trying to run your server software but is adamant
> about NOT opening any more ports than are *absolutely necessary* on the
> firewall...even if all ports are going to allow traffic only to and from
> the one server box.  It's weird, but a common occurrence, even among
> highly trained admins.  People seem to think that more ports open means
> less security, when in reality it's not the ports that are security
> holes, it's the services communicating through those ports.  You've
> already got at least 2 ports open (minimum), so why balk at a range 1000
> more for the service?

I have a guy I code for sometimes who believes the same thing.  That basically
crackers can exploit "ports" even if there is no application that
has them open.

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RE: [hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs

2003-02-11 Thread Eric (Deacon)
> Blocking all the other services doesn't help if you have one
> that is insecure (or running as root). If you have nothing on
> the machine but a web server, and through the combination of it
> running as root (unlikely) and a misconfiguration or summat,
> it's just as easy to break into as a machine with no firewall
> and a whole bunch of other programs, all properly secured, with
> the buggy/misconfigured web server. Moral of the story: root !=
> (everyday user || service account)

Yeah, man...that's what gets me down sometimes.  I work for a software
company (not a developer, myself), and sometimes you end up talking to
some net admin that's trying to run your server software but is adamant
about NOT opening any more ports than are *absolutely necessary* on the
firewall...even if all ports are going to allow traffic only to and from
the one server box.  It's weird, but a common occurrence, even among
highly trained admins.  People seem to think that more ports open means
less security, when in reality it's not the ports that are security
holes, it's the services communicating through those ports.  You've
already got at least 2 ports open (minimum), so why balk at a range 1000
more for the service?

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Re: [hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs

2003-02-11 Thread agenthh
Even with highest security, you are still at risk.
Blocking all the other services doesn't help if you have one that is insecure
(or running as root).
If you have nothing on the machine but a web server, and through the combination
of it running as root (unlikely) and a misconfiguration or summat, it's just as
easy to break into as a machine with no firewall and a whole bunch of other
programs, all properly secured, with the buggy/misconfigured web server.
Moral of the story: root != (everyday user || service account)

--agenthh

SQLBoy wrote:

Not even if "with the highest security on?"

On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 19:35, Oscar N wrote:


hmm, running stuff as root is not secure, not in any way, not even close...

/Oscar

White Tiger* wrote:



He's wise!  I love him :p

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Subject: Re: RE: [hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs


Crazy.
As the linux kernel README says, "Never take the name of root in vain."
It is easy and simple to run HLDS as a separate user. Sure, you may only
have HLDS on the box, but that doesn't make it good security policy.
What if some l4m3r somehow gets in and trashes the box, due to the fact
that HLDS is running as root? Basically, you can run HLDS as root, it's
just that running as another user has less risk, for no real work. Oh,
and habits. Who knows, I've done this before, you might be working on
some other box, and your default policy is to run stuff as root. You
might just install something as root, especially something insecure.
BAD.

--agenthh

---Original Message---
From: John Hemmingsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 02/11/03 11:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs







I currently run it as root, with highest security on.
Only 5 ports are allowed in/out on server (the ones that hl/cs require)
Got nothing else on the dedicated server, it is also outside my router.
With own ip address.

So I don't think running as root is dangerous :)
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RE: [hlds_linux] Tricky one! Erasing banfile!?!

2003-02-11 Thread White Tiger*
I would recommend you put it in your startup line.  Because if you have
a BIG one .. Like me it takes forever to load on map changes...so
putting on the command line is prolly the best way to go :).

You must add +exec banned.cfg for the banned.cfg NOT to erase.

Long story..Don't want to type

White Tiger*

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Hemmingsen
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 9:08 PM
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Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Tricky one! Erasing banfile!?!


No, I don't have "exec banned.cfg" in my server.cfg file.

Should I?



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Sent: 12. februar 2003 00:44
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Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Tricky one! Erasing banfile!?!

You do have "exec banned.cfg" in your server.cfg file. I can imagine the
server create the banned.cfg file is its startet with out one and then
have to ban a ide. Other than that i cant think of more clues




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Re: [hlds_linux] Radar Bug

2003-02-11 Thread JD Jesonis
I've noticed it only happens when I've just changed maps and there is only a
few people on the server less than 5.  Once more people show up it shows up
about 10 minutes into the map... For some on the server it never shows up
again, and have to exit to come back into the server again.  It's random for
me however those are the times I've noticed it happens the most.

JD Jesonis

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Subject: [hlds_linux] Radar Bug


> I'm trying to get the "disappearing radar" bug fixed for the
Counter-Strike
> 1.6 release, but I need your help!
>
> This bug has been very difficult to reproduce. If anyone has a solid repro
> case (where you can get it to happen every time), please send me the step
by
> step details so we can get it fixed.
>
> Please send the details directly to me at:
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> Thanks! =)
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] map specific configs

2003-02-11 Thread Eric Miller
yes. the case and everything is exactly the same except it is a .cfg file
instead of a .bsp
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Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] map specific configs


> Eric Miller wrote:
> > std cfg file format? how would that be? Cause right now I have that file
in
> > my cstrike/maps folder and it's not work. So if anyone could help me out
> > that would be great
>
> std cfg file format just simply means the same way you woud put it in
> the server.cfg.  So like:
>
> mp_freezetime 0
>
> A search on the adminmod forums for "mapname.cfg" pulls 2 pages of
> results for me.  You put it in the right folder.  Does the cAsE of the
> mapname.cfg file match exactly the same as the mapname?
>
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RE: [hlds_linux] Radar Bug

2003-02-11 Thread Kevin J. Anderson
yeah, Dont have any knowledge of what "causes" it...

might want to post on csnation or something

kev

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->
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->I know of no such case... It seems completely random to me.
->
->-
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RE: [hlds_linux] Radar Bug

2003-02-11 Thread Douglas R Taber
Usually happens to me if I get dropped on mapchange.

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I know of no such case... It seems completely random to me.

-
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"Waiting for our enemies to strike us first is as dangerous and
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RE: [hlds_linux] Radar Bug

2003-02-11 Thread Tyler \"Overkill\" Schwend
I know of no such case... It seems completely random to me.

-
Tyler "[TASF]Overkill" Schwend
"Semper facere bonum, an a amare odium, vita mors."
"Waiting for our enemies to strike us first is as dangerous and
irresponsible as it is an act of ignorance."

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RE: [hlds_linux] Tricky one! Erasing banfile!?!

2003-02-11 Thread John Hemmingsen
No, I don't have "exec banned.cfg" in my server.cfg file.

Should I?



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Amundsen
Sent: 12. februar 2003 00:44
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Tricky one! Erasing banfile!?!

You do have "exec banned.cfg" in your server.cfg file. I can imagine the
server create the banned.cfg file is its startet with out one and then
have to ban a ide. Other than that i cant think of more clues




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Re: [hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs

2003-02-11 Thread SQLBoy
Not even if "with the highest security on?"

On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 19:35, Oscar N wrote:
> hmm, running stuff as root is not secure, not in any way, not even close...
>
> /Oscar
>
> White Tiger* wrote:
>
> >He's wise!  I love him :p
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of agenthh
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:01 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: RE: [hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs
> >
> >
> >Crazy.
> >As the linux kernel README says, "Never take the name of root in vain."
> >It is easy and simple to run HLDS as a separate user. Sure, you may only
> >have HLDS on the box, but that doesn't make it good security policy.
> >What if some l4m3r somehow gets in and trashes the box, due to the fact
> >that HLDS is running as root? Basically, you can run HLDS as root, it's
> >just that running as another user has less risk, for no real work. Oh,
> >and habits. Who knows, I've done this before, you might be working on
> >some other box, and your default policy is to run stuff as root. You
> >might just install something as root, especially something insecure.
> >BAD.
> >
> >--agenthh
> >
> >---Original Message---
> >From: John Hemmingsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: 02/11/03 11:47 AM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >I currently run it as root, with highest security on.
> >Only 5 ports are allowed in/out on server (the ones that hl/cs require)
> >Got nothing else on the dedicated server, it is also outside my router.
> >With own ip address.
> >
> >So I don't think running as root is dangerous :)
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Re: [hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs

2003-02-11 Thread Jeremy Brooking
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 13:35, Oscar N wrote:
> hmm, running stuff as root is not secure, not in any way, not even close...

'Stuff' ??

Lots of 'stuff' requires being run as root. Its simply a case that hlds
doesnt need to be, so shouldnt be. Being root != insecure, it simply
increases what damage can be done when software/deamons/etc.. are
exploited.

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Re: [hlds_linux] map specific configs

2003-02-11 Thread m0gely
Eric Miller wrote:

std cfg file format? how would that be? Cause right now I have that file in
my cstrike/maps folder and it's not work. So if anyone could help me out
that would be great


std cfg file format just simply means the same way you woud put it in
the server.cfg.  So like:

mp_freezetime 0

A search on the adminmod forums for "mapname.cfg" pulls 2 pages of
results for me.  You put it in the right folder.  Does the cAsE of the
mapname.cfg file match exactly the same as the mapname?

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Re: [hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs

2003-02-11 Thread Oscar N
hmm, running stuff as root is not secure, not in any way, not even close...

/Oscar

White Tiger* wrote:


He's wise!  I love him :p

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of agenthh
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RE: [hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs


Crazy.
As the linux kernel README says, "Never take the name of root in vain."
It is easy and simple to run HLDS as a separate user. Sure, you may only
have HLDS on the box, but that doesn't make it good security policy.
What if some l4m3r somehow gets in and trashes the box, due to the fact
that HLDS is running as root? Basically, you can run HLDS as root, it's
just that running as another user has less risk, for no real work. Oh,
and habits. Who knows, I've done this before, you might be working on
some other box, and your default policy is to run stuff as root. You
might just install something as root, especially something insecure.
BAD.

--agenthh

---Original Message---
From: John Hemmingsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 02/11/03 11:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs







I currently run it as root, with highest security on.
Only 5 ports are allowed in/out on server (the ones that hl/cs require)
Got nothing else on the dedicated server, it is also outside my router.
With own ip address.

So I don't think running as root is dangerous :)
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RE: RE: [hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs

2003-02-11 Thread White Tiger*
He's wise!  I love him :p

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of agenthh
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RE: [hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs


Crazy.
As the linux kernel README says, "Never take the name of root in vain."
It is easy and simple to run HLDS as a separate user. Sure, you may only
have HLDS on the box, but that doesn't make it good security policy.
What if some l4m3r somehow gets in and trashes the box, due to the fact
that HLDS is running as root? Basically, you can run HLDS as root, it's
just that running as another user has less risk, for no real work. Oh,
and habits. Who knows, I've done this before, you might be working on
some other box, and your default policy is to run stuff as root. You
might just install something as root, especially something insecure.
BAD.

--agenthh

---Original Message---
From: John Hemmingsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 02/11/03 11:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs

>
>
I currently run it as root, with highest security on.
Only 5 ports are allowed in/out on server (the ones that hl/cs require)
Got nothing else on the dedicated server, it is also outside my router.
With own ip address.

So I don't think running as root is dangerous :)
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Re: [hlds_linux] map specific configs

2003-02-11 Thread Eric Miller
std cfg file format? how would that be? Cause right now I have that file in
my cstrike/maps folder and it's not work. So if anyone could help me out
that would be great
- Original Message -
From: "m0gely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] map specific configs


Eric Miller wrote:
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> ok, this is pissing me off. I've looked everywhere. I'm a newbie to this
list. So i've probably missed this topic many times. How do I get
mp_freezetime to = 0 when awp_map is loaded. Here are my server stats:
>
> adminmod
> statsme
> metamod
>
> I'm willing to do anything because this is not the only map i want
specific configs for. Please let me know what I can do. Thank you.
>
> - Eric Miller

Counter-strike doesn't do this natively.  With Adminmod you just make a
mapname.cfg (eg. awp_city.cfg) with the info in it you want exec'ed in
std cfg file format.  Although there was no information I found as to
the location where this file should reside:

http://www.adminmod.org/help/online/Admin_Mod_Reference/Frequently_Asked_Que
stions_FAQ.htm#QMapSpecificConfigs

If you use AMX, then you will need this addon:
http://amxmod.net/amx-plugins.php?cat=7#25130

More on this here:
http://amxmod.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=25130

The config file goes in the "addons/amx/map_configs/" folder.

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Re: [hlds_linux] map specific configs

2003-02-11 Thread m0gely
Eric Miller wrote:

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
ok, this is pissing me off. I've looked everywhere. I'm a newbie to this list. So i've probably missed this topic many times. How do I get mp_freezetime to = 0 when awp_map is loaded. Here are my server stats:

adminmod
statsme
metamod

I'm willing to do anything because this is not the only map i want specific configs for. Please let me know what I can do. Thank you.

- Eric Miller


Counter-strike doesn't do this natively.  With Adminmod you just make a
mapname.cfg (eg. awp_city.cfg) with the info in it you want exec'ed in
std cfg file format.  Although there was no information I found as to
the location where this file should reside:

http://www.adminmod.org/help/online/Admin_Mod_Reference/Frequently_Asked_Questions_FAQ.htm#QMapSpecificConfigs

If you use AMX, then you will need this addon:
http://amxmod.net/amx-plugins.php?cat=7#25130

More on this here:
http://amxmod.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=25130

The config file goes in the "addons/amx/map_configs/" folder.

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Re: [hlds_linux] map specific configs

2003-02-11 Thread Justin Mitchell
Well you haven't looked EVERYWHERE :). This question was just asked a few
days ago. Create a file in your maps directory called awp_map.cfg and put
mp_freezetime 0 in it.

- Original Message -
From: "Eric Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:47 PM
Subject: [hlds_linux] map specific configs


This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
ok, this is pissing me off. I've looked everywhere. I'm a newbie to this
list. So i've probably missed this topic many times. How do I get
mp_freezetime to = 0 when awp_map is loaded. Here are my server stats:

adminmod
statsme
metamod

I'm willing to do anything because this is not the only map i want specific
configs for. Please let me know what I can do. Thank you.

- Eric Miller
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RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?

2003-02-11 Thread Jeremy Brooking
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 13:11, Eric (Deacon) wrote:
> > I always thought it was the people who write long winded,
> > politely stated insults that had the deep seated issues :P
>
> They're the ones who you don't want learning martial arts and becoming
> proficient at handling firearms.  Unfortunately, I am both :)

Fortunately we dont allow those kind of people into our country :)

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Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?

2003-02-11 Thread Jedi
For what its worth.  I am Eric's friend.  He's crass and obnoxious at
timesbut I consider him a friend.  Can we kill this please?  thanks!

|404|Innoc`JF

- Original Message -
From: "Børge Amundsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?


On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 12:12:22PM -0600, Eric (Deacon) wrote:
| > you don't have many friends do you? You sound like you need help...
|
| I've noticed that the insults people dish out are almost always the
| areas in their own lives about which their insecurities are the most
| poignant.  The insult attempt "you don't have many friends do you?"
| seems to be very popular among those people in whose lives the internet
| plays a large role.


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RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?

2003-02-11 Thread Eric (Deacon)
> I always thought it was the people who write long winded,
> politely stated insults that had the deep seated issues :P

They're the ones who you don't want learning martial arts and becoming
proficient at handling firearms.  Unfortunately, I am both :)

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[hlds_linux] map specific configs

2003-02-11 Thread Eric Miller
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ok, this is pissing me off. I've looked everywhere. I'm a newbie to this list. So i've 
probably missed this topic many times. How do I get mp_freezetime to = 0 when awp_map 
is loaded. Here are my server stats:

adminmod
statsme
metamod

I'm willing to do anything because this is not the only map i want specific configs 
for. Please let me know what I can do. Thank you.

- Eric Miller
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[hlds_linux] Linux don't create logs

2003-02-11 Thread John Hemmingsen
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Hi, My first post and first time setting up own server :)

I have installed Redhat Mandrake 8.0 (linux) and cs offcourse.
I am noob @ linux, but installed it and it runs just fine.
I use adminmod on the server, works fine too.

My problem is whenever i ban anyone it erases the whole banlist,
so i must add the bakup over the newone to get everyone still banned.
(i use SAMC list, 12000 banned wonids). I got Hlguard aswell, it looks
like that one is working properly.

I get problem with logging of the server too. I have enabled logging in
cfg files,
but it dosn't create a log folder in cs. So the server isn't logging
afterall.

I might have made noob mistakes, i don't know. I would be very thankful
if anyone have any ideas how to correct these issues.

Server ip: 81.0.162.154:27015



Sincerely [ZlD]Zelda
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RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?

2003-02-11 Thread ToP CaT =^..^=
> They broke file scanning.
Heh... You think it is good that ANY admin can scan ANY file in your
system? Plz... Grow up.. That was a big security problem.

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RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?

2003-02-11 Thread Adam Hobbs
How much time would you spend developing a product that is about to be
superceded with the next version??

Valve would be very busy working on 1.6 right now I would think, and I
wouldn't mind betting that the VAC stuff they are doing is aimed at the
release of 1.6.

Isn't that one of the main reasons the steam engine has been developed?? so
that anticheat can be incorporated and updated easily and more often.  Steam
will let valve push client side blocks for cheats etc etc etc.

Then again I could be barking up the wrong tree.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill B
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?


I do know the original info on Vac, been running a server for 2 years now,
thanks.  Your comments about meds etc. are well, wow that's a great
contributor to a discussion, niceyou don't have many friends do you?
You sound like you need help...  anyways.. I deal in facts and logic.  Ok
it's been what going on 8-9 months now?  When was the last vac update?? Too
long...  They lost the battle with cheaters.  Also they've spurned offers of
Cheating Death and PunkBuster at times in the past. They broke file
scanning.  This doesn't seem like a company thats serious about it. Valve
said they were coming out with it for all mods.  Hasn't happened.  And it's
in Valves economic interest for all mods to make Vac actually work, or
people will lose interest in the game because of cheater.

I care about the game and the fun I've had with it.  Most folks who run
servers here do.  If you're trolling for just the sake of trolling, leave
the discussion to the folks who can and actually want to talk about things
in a reasonable manner.

http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux

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RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?

2003-02-11 Thread Kevin J. Anderson
its obvious you are angry right now.  I'll just leave you to yourself.

; )
kev

->-Original Message-
->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill B
->Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:52 AM
->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
->Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?
->
->
->I do know the original info on Vac, been running a server for 2 years now,
->thanks.  Your comments about meds etc. are well, wow that's a great
->contributor to a discussion, niceyou don't have many friends do you?
->You sound like you need help...  anyways.. I deal in facts and logic.  Ok
->it's been what going on 8-9 months now?  When was the last vac
->update?? Too
->long...  They lost the battle with cheaters.  Also they've
->spurned offers of
->Cheating Death and PunkBuster at times in the past. They broke file
->scanning.  This doesn't seem like a company thats serious about it. Valve
->said they were coming out with it for all mods.  Hasn't happened.
-> And it's
->in Valves economic interest for all mods to make Vac actually work, or
->people will lose interest in the game because of cheater.
->
->I care about the game and the fun I've had with it.  Most folks who run
->servers here do.  If you're trolling for just the sake of trolling, leave
->the discussion to the folks who can and actually want to talk about things
->in a reasonable manner.
->
->- Original Message -
->From: "Kevin J. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
->To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
->Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 12:09 AM
->Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?
->
->
->> roflmao.   sounds like fun.
->>
->> anyways, gotta love it when people flame w/o all the information.   Its
->too
->> bad that you never paid attention to the original talks about
->valves anti
->> cheat solution, most importantly that their system wouldnt be complete
->till
->> they had their steam system working fully.   In other words, until they
->can
->> force updates globaly easily at short intervals, their envisioned system
->> would not be complete, but rather still in testing.
->>
->> sure, of course they are milking the cs cash cow for what its worth.   I
->> dont know any other game company that has stuck w/ and supported and
->> improved their product FOR FREE over such a period of time.  my god.  If
->you
->> havent gotten your moneys worth out of this product, you either have
->> derranged expectations (heavy on the derranged bit, believe me)
->or you are
->> just a flaming, idiotic, un happy person who needs to get out
->more, or get
->> back on his meds, or something.
->>
->> lol.  who plays op for anyways? I'm sure it has its niche audience, but
->its
->> certainly not big enough to dedicate any large amount of resources
->towards,
->> thats just simple logic/economics/buisness sense.
->>
->> get over it.
->>
->> and try to think about about things before you flame.
->>
->> ; P
->> kev
->>
->> ->-Original Message-
->> ->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
->> ->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill B
->> ->Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:37 AM
->> ->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
->> ->Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?
->> ->
->> ->
->> ->Yeah, gotta agree.   It seems like valve has definitely given up
->> ->the battle
->> ->and doesn't care about VAC.  The much vaunted "Global Ban" never
->> ->happened as
->> ->far as I know.   I never even got to see VAC on my op4
->server, probably
->> ->never will. Ah well. HLGuard and Cdeath have made valiant
->> ->efforts, and seem
->> ->to stop most stuff for now.  Sound hacks still work though.  How long
->till
->> ->stuff gets by hlg and cd again?  I think when this next cycle of
->> ->cheats come
->> ->out  and Valve still hasn't done antything, I'll probably
->take my server
->> ->down.
->> ->
->> ->Valve managed to create 1 gamethink they'll ever come out with
->another
->> ->that has real anti cheat integrated in it from the ground up? Nah, why
->> ->bother probably just keep milking the CS franchise till the end time.
->> ->
->> ->What the heck does Valve do all day, manage licensing deals for:
->> ->"CS: Condition Flatulent",
->> ->"CS:Were Out of Ideas",
->> ->"CS: My Kid Needs Braces" or whatever stupid thing they have licensed
->> ->someone else to develop for them?
->> ->
->> ->Ack.
->> ->-B
->> ->
->> ->- Original Message -
->> ->From: "Tyler "Overkill" Schwend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
->> ->To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
->> ->Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:19 PM
->> ->Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?
->> ->
->> ->
->> ->> I certainly feel that CS and HLDS have become pretty stagnant...
->> ->> I think Valve's support cycle for this stuff is coming to an end
->> ->> except as a testing ground for future products. VAC is way
->> ->> behind, HLGuard is way behind, and I can't imagine much revenue
->> ->> is still being generated... I'm looking into other games, but
->> ->> sadly, Linux servers and community-generated utilities are hard
->>

Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?

2003-02-11 Thread Bill B
I do know the original info on Vac, been running a server for 2 years now,
thanks.  Your comments about meds etc. are well, wow that's a great
contributor to a discussion, niceyou don't have many friends do you?
You sound like you need help...  anyways.. I deal in facts and logic.  Ok
it's been what going on 8-9 months now?  When was the last vac update?? Too
long...  They lost the battle with cheaters.  Also they've spurned offers of
Cheating Death and PunkBuster at times in the past. They broke file
scanning.  This doesn't seem like a company thats serious about it. Valve
said they were coming out with it for all mods.  Hasn't happened.  And it's
in Valves economic interest for all mods to make Vac actually work, or
people will lose interest in the game because of cheater.

I care about the game and the fun I've had with it.  Most folks who run
servers here do.  If you're trolling for just the sake of trolling, leave
the discussion to the folks who can and actually want to talk about things
in a reasonable manner.

- Original Message -
From: "Kevin J. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 12:09 AM
Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?


> roflmao.   sounds like fun.
>
> anyways, gotta love it when people flame w/o all the information.   Its
too
> bad that you never paid attention to the original talks about valves anti
> cheat solution, most importantly that their system wouldnt be complete
till
> they had their steam system working fully.   In other words, until they
can
> force updates globaly easily at short intervals, their envisioned system
> would not be complete, but rather still in testing.
>
> sure, of course they are milking the cs cash cow for what its worth.   I
> dont know any other game company that has stuck w/ and supported and
> improved their product FOR FREE over such a period of time.  my god.  If
you
> havent gotten your moneys worth out of this product, you either have
> derranged expectations (heavy on the derranged bit, believe me) or you are
> just a flaming, idiotic, un happy person who needs to get out more, or get
> back on his meds, or something.
>
> lol.  who plays op for anyways? I'm sure it has its niche audience, but
its
> certainly not big enough to dedicate any large amount of resources
towards,
> thats just simple logic/economics/buisness sense.
>
> get over it.
>
> and try to think about about things before you flame.
>
> ; P
> kev
>
> ->-Original Message-
> ->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill B
> ->Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:37 AM
> ->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ->Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?
> ->
> ->
> ->Yeah, gotta agree.   It seems like valve has definitely given up
> ->the battle
> ->and doesn't care about VAC.  The much vaunted "Global Ban" never
> ->happened as
> ->far as I know.   I never even got to see VAC on my op4 server, probably
> ->never will. Ah well. HLGuard and Cdeath have made valiant
> ->efforts, and seem
> ->to stop most stuff for now.  Sound hacks still work though.  How long
till
> ->stuff gets by hlg and cd again?  I think when this next cycle of
> ->cheats come
> ->out  and Valve still hasn't done antything, I'll probably take my server
> ->down.
> ->
> ->Valve managed to create 1 gamethink they'll ever come out with
another
> ->that has real anti cheat integrated in it from the ground up? Nah, why
> ->bother probably just keep milking the CS franchise till the end time.
> ->
> ->What the heck does Valve do all day, manage licensing deals for:
> ->"CS: Condition Flatulent",
> ->"CS:Were Out of Ideas",
> ->"CS: My Kid Needs Braces" or whatever stupid thing they have licensed
> ->someone else to develop for them?
> ->
> ->Ack.
> ->-B
> ->
> ->- Original Message -
> ->From: "Tyler "Overkill" Schwend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> ->To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> ->Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:19 PM
> ->Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?
> ->
> ->
> ->> I certainly feel that CS and HLDS have become pretty stagnant...
> ->> I think Valve's support cycle for this stuff is coming to an end
> ->> except as a testing ground for future products. VAC is way
> ->> behind, HLGuard is way behind, and I can't imagine much revenue
> ->> is still being generated... I'm looking into other games, but
> ->> sadly, Linux servers and community-generated utilities are hard
> ->> to come by for the majority of games I'm interested in. AA:O,
> ->> BF1942...
> ->>
> ->> -
> ->> Tyler "[TASF]Overkill" Schwend
> ->> "Semper facere bonum, an a amare odium, vita mors."
> ->> "Waiting for our enemies to strike us first is as dangerous and
> ->> irresponsible as it is an act of ignorance."
> ->>
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RE: [hlds_linux] HLBook 0.99 beta 1 released

2003-02-11 Thread redphive
For those interested I have mirrored the file here:

http://files.redphive.org/hlbook-0.99-b1.tar.gz

Cheers,

Red Phive
www.redphive.org
www.fragmart.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of SQLBoy
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 12:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [hlds_linux] HLBook 0.99 beta 1 released


Here it is.  Bookable Half-Life servers as far as the eye can see.

http://hlb.playway.net/index.html

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RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?

2003-02-11 Thread Kevin J. Anderson
roflmao.   sounds like fun.

anyways, gotta love it when people flame w/o all the information.   Its too
bad that you never paid attention to the original talks about valves anti
cheat solution, most importantly that their system wouldnt be complete till
they had their steam system working fully.   In other words, until they can
force updates globaly easily at short intervals, their envisioned system
would not be complete, but rather still in testing.

sure, of course they are milking the cs cash cow for what its worth.   I
dont know any other game company that has stuck w/ and supported and
improved their product FOR FREE over such a period of time.  my god.  If you
havent gotten your moneys worth out of this product, you either have
derranged expectations (heavy on the derranged bit, believe me) or you are
just a flaming, idiotic, un happy person who needs to get out more, or get
back on his meds, or something.

lol.  who plays op for anyways? I'm sure it has its niche audience, but its
certainly not big enough to dedicate any large amount of resources towards,
thats just simple logic/economics/buisness sense.

get over it.

and try to think about about things before you flame.

; P
kev

->-Original Message-
->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill B
->Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:37 AM
->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
->Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?
->
->
->Yeah, gotta agree.   It seems like valve has definitely given up
->the battle
->and doesn't care about VAC.  The much vaunted "Global Ban" never
->happened as
->far as I know.   I never even got to see VAC on my op4 server, probably
->never will. Ah well. HLGuard and Cdeath have made valiant
->efforts, and seem
->to stop most stuff for now.  Sound hacks still work though.  How long till
->stuff gets by hlg and cd again?  I think when this next cycle of
->cheats come
->out  and Valve still hasn't done antything, I'll probably take my server
->down.
->
->Valve managed to create 1 gamethink they'll ever come out with another
->that has real anti cheat integrated in it from the ground up? Nah, why
->bother probably just keep milking the CS franchise till the end time.
->
->What the heck does Valve do all day, manage licensing deals for:
->"CS: Condition Flatulent",
->"CS:Were Out of Ideas",
->"CS: My Kid Needs Braces" or whatever stupid thing they have licensed
->someone else to develop for them?
->
->Ack.
->-B
->
->- Original Message -
->From: "Tyler "Overkill" Schwend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
->To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
->Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:19 PM
->Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Quiet on the list?
->
->
->> I certainly feel that CS and HLDS have become pretty stagnant...
->> I think Valve's support cycle for this stuff is coming to an end
->> except as a testing ground for future products. VAC is way
->> behind, HLGuard is way behind, and I can't imagine much revenue
->> is still being generated... I'm looking into other games, but
->> sadly, Linux servers and community-generated utilities are hard
->> to come by for the majority of games I'm interested in. AA:O,
->> BF1942...
->>
->> -
->> Tyler "[TASF]Overkill" Schwend
->> "Semper facere bonum, an a amare odium, vita mors."
->> "Waiting for our enemies to strike us first is as dangerous and
->> irresponsible as it is an act of ignorance."
->>
->> ___
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->please visit:
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->>
->
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