Re: [hlds_linux] midround hitches - problem solved / solution found!
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Offtopic: 2.5.6 Oo I can acknowledge that downgrading to the vanilla plain old Sarge Kernel solved the Problem. Thanks a lot! On 7/23/07, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, for me it works again since the last update (before known as beta -dslinux) - I use Suse 10.1 with kernel 2.5.6 ... I never had problems with this version and simply dont't need a newer one. Never touch a running system ;) Thanks, Alex - Original Message - From: Hell Master [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] midround hitches - problem solved / solution found! -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is it possible that it is not actually a problem with the kernel? Maybe there are some options turned on in the earlier version that you have not chosen in the newer one? Wouldn't it be great if that turned out to be the case and we could figure out what those options were? Guy Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: } -Original Message- } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of karumba } Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:40 PM } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com } Subject: [hlds_linux] midround hitches - problem solved / solution found! } } hi all, } } regarding my previous posts on this mailing list i would like to share } my experience with you, since i found a solution for the } midround-hitches-problem. } } as most of you, we have mid round hitches (lag spikes during a round, } which could also be seen via hlsw) introduced by the latest 2 (3?) } updates. i tried nearly everything, but on thing i did not try } before...and luckily this was the trick! } } our machine: } - AMD64 3800+ } - debian, latest stable } - kernel: 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP x86_64 GNU/Linux } } first i tried an kernelupdate to 2.6.22.1 - same lag. } } luckily, we had a further machine with same hardware but older OS } running also a 24 slot server with 100tick. this machine was running the } kernel 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 (probably the standardkernel shipped with } debian 3.1?). well, this css-server runs perfectly smooth, so i tried to } downrade the kernel on the newer machine to this one. } } well, long story short: that was it! } could everyone experencing the mid-round hitches try to downgrade the } kernel to 2.6.8-11? as far as i see, most ppl that postet their } kernel-version hat a kernel newer than 2.6.8-11. } note: i did *not* enable 1000HZ or preemp. everything default. } } hopefully, this fixes the lags for most (or even some) of you. } feedback appreciated! } } greetings from germany, } karumba Maybe you should post to the Linux Kernel people. Maybe they can help. I guess Valve should be the one's posting to the Kernel group since they have the source to the game and could answers questions better. Anyway, I hope you are correct about the Kernel version being the problem. If you are correct Valve should be able to make progress correcting the problem. Guy ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ... black holes are where god divided by zero. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] midround hitches - problem solved / solution found!
Can you (and everyone else that downgrades and experiences a fix for the problem) post the .config for both kernels? Perhaps we can find just what is causing this. Also, it would be nice if Valve would tell us the kernel version on their build/test hosts. Perhaps along with glibc- and gcc versions? Cheers, Einar Kyrios wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Offtopic: 2.5.6 Oo I can acknowledge that downgrading to the vanilla plain old Sarge Kernel solved the Problem. Thanks a lot! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] midround hitches - problem solved / solution found!
Offtopic: 2.5.6 Oo Is it really a wise move downgrading to a development (odd) kernel? Seems to me the potential downside is far greater than the benefit. I can look for a bug/exploit list, but maybe someone knows without looking it up. It's also possible I'm missing something here. Jeff Love Burgh Gaming ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] midround hitches - problem solved / solution found!
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] On 7/24/07, Einar S. Idsø [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you (and everyone else that downgrades and experiences a fix for the problem) post the .config for both kernels? Perhaps we can find just what is causing this. Also, it would be nice if Valve would tell us the kernel version on their build/test hosts. Perhaps along with glibc- and gcc versions? Cheers, Einar Kyrios wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Offtopic: 2.5.6 Oo I can acknowledge that downgrading to the vanilla plain old Sarge Kernel solved the Problem. Thanks a lot! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ... black holes are where god divided by zero. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] midround hitches - problem solved / solution found!
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Sorry for the empty message. Here is the text: We're not using 2.5.6 for obvious reasons. We're now using Debian Sarge 3.1Kernel for i386 SMP. That's working fine. On 7/24/07, Kyrios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/24/07, Einar S. Idsø [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you (and everyone else that downgrades and experiences a fix for the problem) post the .config for both kernels? Perhaps we can find just what is causing this. Also, it would be nice if Valve would tell us the kernel version on their build/test hosts. Perhaps along with glibc- and gcc versions? Cheers, Einar Kyrios wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Offtopic: 2.5.6 Oo I can acknowledge that downgrading to the vanilla plain old Sarge Kernel solved the Problem. Thanks a lot! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ... black holes are where god divided by zero. -- ... black holes are where god divided by zero. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] midround hitches - problem solved / solution found!
for most kernel races you need to first come into the system. i think most gameserverhosts are *only* hosting gameservers are nacked regarding installed/running applications. there is not apache, php, mysql, whatever that could give you access to the server. all in all, the potential downside is lower than the benefit, since i have no benefit, when my gameservers are empty, right? anyway, i think this is quite off topic. [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Offtopic: 2.5.6 Oo Is it really a wise move downgrading to a development (odd) kernel? Seems to me the potential downside is far greater than the benefit. I can look for a bug/exploit list, but maybe someone knows without looking it up. It's also possible I'm missing something here. Jeff Love Burgh Gaming ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] midround hitches - problem solved / solution found!
hey, thats good news! thanks for the feedback. Kyrios schrieb: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Offtopic: 2.5.6 Oo I can acknowledge that downgrading to the vanilla plain old Sarge Kernel solved the Problem. Thanks a lot! On 7/23/07, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, for me it works again since the last update (before known as beta -dslinux) - I use Suse 10.1 with kernel 2.5.6 ... I never had problems with this version and simply dont't need a newer one. Never touch a running system ;) Thanks, Alex - Original Message - From: Hell Master [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] midround hitches - problem solved / solution found! -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is it possible that it is not actually a problem with the kernel? Maybe there are some options turned on in the earlier version that you have not chosen in the newer one? Wouldn't it be great if that turned out to be the case and we could figure out what those options were? Guy Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: } -Original Message- } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of karumba } Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:40 PM } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com } Subject: [hlds_linux] midround hitches - problem solved / solution found! } } hi all, } } regarding my previous posts on this mailing list i would like to share } my experience with you, since i found a solution for the } midround-hitches-problem. } } as most of you, we have mid round hitches (lag spikes during a round, } which could also be seen via hlsw) introduced by the latest 2 (3?) } updates. i tried nearly everything, but on thing i did not try } before...and luckily this was the trick! } } our machine: } - AMD64 3800+ } - debian, latest stable } - kernel: 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP x86_64 GNU/Linux } } first i tried an kernelupdate to 2.6.22.1 - same lag. } } luckily, we had a further machine with same hardware but older OS } running also a 24 slot server with 100tick. this machine was running the } kernel 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 (probably the standardkernel shipped with } debian 3.1?). well, this css-server runs perfectly smooth, so i tried to } downrade the kernel on the newer machine to this one. } } well, long story short: that was it! } could everyone experencing the mid-round hitches try to downgrade the } kernel to 2.6.8-11? as far as i see, most ppl that postet their } kernel-version hat a kernel newer than 2.6.8-11. } note: i did *not* enable 1000HZ or preemp. everything default. } } hopefully, this fixes the lags for most (or even some) of you. } feedback appreciated! } } greetings from germany, } karumba Maybe you should post to the Linux Kernel people. Maybe they can help. I guess Valve should be the one's posting to the Kernel group since they have the source to the game and could answers questions better. Anyway, I hope you are correct about the Kernel version being the problem. If you are correct Valve should be able to make progress correcting the problem. Guy ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ... black holes are where god divided by zero. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
