Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs
Rick Thompson wrote: something to smile about but when a packed 32 slot BF starts humming alongside or slightly below a full 16 slot CS server in top, all I can think about is how fast we can dump these last couple HL pigs. I don't dissagree with you necessarily, but isn't having 6Mb worth of pipe to dedicate to a single 32 player BF server more costly pretty quick than just having a couple more servers on hand to do CS? -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs
On Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:41 PM NZT, m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Thompson wrote: something to smile about but when a packed 32 slot BF starts humming alongside or slightly below a full 16 slot CS server in top, all I can think about is how fast we can dump these last couple HL pigs. I don't dissagree with you necessarily, but isn't having 6Mb worth of pipe to dedicate to a single 32 player BF server more costly pretty quick than just having a couple more servers on hand to do CS? Fortunately (?) what BF lacks in CPU usage it more than makes up for in horrendous bandwidth usage. -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs
Bandwidth is getting pretty cheap... you can get a dedicated 100mb Verio pipe for just a bit more than cheapo Cogent these days. - Original Message - From: m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs Rick Thompson wrote: something to smile about but when a packed 32 slot BF starts humming alongside or slightly below a full 16 slot CS server in top, all I can think about is how fast we can dump these last couple HL pigs. I don't dissagree with you necessarily, but isn't having 6Mb worth of pipe to dedicate to a single 32 player BF server more costly pretty quick than just having a couple more servers on hand to do CS? -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs
Pull down that Steam Content Server and put up 19 BF servers ;) Good use of bandwidth -Tristan - Original Message - From: Simon Garner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs On Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:41 PM NZT, m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Thompson wrote: something to smile about but when a packed 32 slot BF starts humming alongside or slightly below a full 16 slot CS server in top, all I can think about is how fast we can dump these last couple HL pigs. I don't dissagree with you necessarily, but isn't having 6Mb worth of pipe to dedicate to a single 32 player BF server more costly pretty quick than just having a couple more servers on hand to do CS? Fortunately (?) what BF lacks in CPU usage it more than makes up for in horrendous bandwidth usage. -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs
So just to do some quick checking: BF1942 32 player requires a 6Mb line A dedicated DS3 is 45Mb A dedicated DS3 would max at seven 32 player BF servers A quick check at nuclearfallout.net for what a 32 player BF server runs shows $374/mo. Times that by seven and get $2,618 monthly in server revenue. Now, I'm not a smart man, but I know 45Mb line cost more than that, alot more. I don't get it. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs
I'm in New Zealand and we're still paying $60 NZD ($37USD) for 128k/128k DSL with a 5gb international cap (99.999% of sites are international to us) - bandwidth ain't cheap here Though in saying that, you can get a 10mb fibre link for $1,469 per month ($925 USD).. Heh -Tristan - Original Message - From: DLinkOZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs Bandwidth is getting pretty cheap... you can get a dedicated 100mb Verio pipe for just a bit more than cheapo Cogent these days. - Original Message - From: m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs Rick Thompson wrote: something to smile about but when a packed 32 slot BF starts humming alongside or slightly below a full 16 slot CS server in top, all I can think about is how fast we can dump these last couple HL pigs. I don't dissagree with you necessarily, but isn't having 6Mb worth of pipe to dedicate to a single 32 player BF server more costly pretty quick than just having a couple more servers on hand to do CS? -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs
We brought in a dedicated 100mb via fiber into our datacenter for $5k US. Excellent bandwidth, and dirt cheap to boot. - Original Message - From: Tristan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs I'm in New Zealand and we're still paying $60 NZD ($37USD) for 128k/128k DSL with a 5gb international cap (99.999% of sites are international to us) - bandwidth ain't cheap here Though in saying that, you can get a 10mb fibre link for $1,469 per month ($925 USD).. Heh -Tristan - Original Message - From: DLinkOZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs Bandwidth is getting pretty cheap... you can get a dedicated 100mb Verio pipe for just a bit more than cheapo Cogent these days. - Original Message - From: m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs Rick Thompson wrote: something to smile about but when a packed 32 slot BF starts humming alongside or slightly below a full 16 slot CS server in top, all I can think about is how fast we can dump these last couple HL pigs. I don't dissagree with you necessarily, but isn't having 6Mb worth of pipe to dedicate to a single 32 player BF server more costly pretty quick than just having a couple more servers on hand to do CS? -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs
DLinkOZ wrote: We brought in a dedicated 100mb via fiber into our datacenter for $5k US. Excellent bandwidth, and dirt cheap to boot. Do you guys live next to a fibre tree or something? My T1 costs $650/mo w/ a $670/mo local loop (Verizon) fee. To bring a fractional DS3 into my building w/ 3Mb dedicated is like $3000+ per month. I would LOVE to know how to get more for my money. Verizon thinks their copper is worth GOLD. Even if I ditch my current provider for the inet and go all Verizon (which I may aftet our contract is up) I would only save about $250/mo. Part of my problem is I am no where very close to the ring in my area so these loop fees suck. My building believe it or not is probably 100feet away from I-5 on the west coast where 95% of the fibre is sitting dark... grr. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs
They're 2 floors below :) - Original Message - From: m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs DLinkOZ wrote: We brought in a dedicated 100mb via fiber into our datacenter for $5k US. Excellent bandwidth, and dirt cheap to boot. Do you guys live next to a fibre tree or something? My T1 costs $650/mo w/ a $670/mo local loop (Verizon) fee. To bring a fractional DS3 into my building w/ 3Mb dedicated is like $3000+ per month. I would LOVE to know how to get more for my money. Verizon thinks their copper is worth GOLD. Even if I ditch my current provider for the inet and go all Verizon (which I may aftet our contract is up) I would only save about $250/mo. Part of my problem is I am no where very close to the ring in my area so these loop fees suck. My building believe it or not is probably 100feet away from I-5 on the west coast where 95% of the fibre is sitting dark... grr. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs
I know here in Houston, Birch Communications sells T1's for $350/mo and that includes the local loop. A wireless provider in my building gives us 3Mb for $199/mo. Luckily, our building is a feed point for wireless customers, so we are hardwired. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of m0gely Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs DLinkOZ wrote: We brought in a dedicated 100mb via fiber into our datacenter for $5k US. Excellent bandwidth, and dirt cheap to boot. Do you guys live next to a fibre tree or something? My T1 costs $650/mo w/ a $670/mo local loop (Verizon) fee. To bring a fractional DS3 into my building w/ 3Mb dedicated is like $3000+ per month. I would LOVE to know how to get more for my money. Verizon thinks their copper is worth GOLD. Even if I ditch my current provider for the inet and go all Verizon (which I may aftet our contract is up) I would only save about $250/mo. Part of my problem is I am no where very close to the ring in my area so these loop fees suck. My building believe it or not is probably 100feet away from I-5 on the west coast where 95% of the fibre is sitting dark... grr. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs
wow thats expensive! Might look at a real long-haul provider - they're a lot cheaper. The more you buy - the cheaper it is. - Original Message - From: m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs DLinkOZ wrote: We brought in a dedicated 100mb via fiber into our datacenter for $5k US. Excellent bandwidth, and dirt cheap to boot. Do you guys live next to a fibre tree or something? My T1 costs $650/mo w/ a $670/mo local loop (Verizon) fee. To bring a fractional DS3 into my building w/ 3Mb dedicated is like $3000+ per month. I would LOVE to know how to get more for my money. Verizon thinks their copper is worth GOLD. Even if I ditch my current provider for the inet and go all Verizon (which I may aftet our contract is up) I would only save about $250/mo. Part of my problem is I am no where very close to the ring in my area so these loop fees suck. My building believe it or not is probably 100feet away from I-5 on the west coast where 95% of the fibre is sitting dark... grr. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs
-- At 09:28 PM 11/14/2003 -0800, you wrote: Message: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:12:37 -0800 From: m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #3013 - 10 msgs Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So just to do some quick checking: BF1942 32 player requires a 6Mb line A dedicated DS3 is 45Mb A dedicated DS3 would max at seven 32 player BF servers A quick check at nuclearfallout.net for what a 32 player BF server runs shows $374/mo. Times that by seven and get $2,618 monthly in server revenue. Now, I'm not a smart man, but I know 45Mb line cost more than that, alot more. I don't get it. That's just insane and those are outdated prices. We charge $120 for a 32 slot BF server and although were not out to make a buck on gameservers, we don't give them away as charity either. Those high prices might have been legit 6 months ago when BF was a huge cpu hog but they fixed that issue in version 1.38. Maybe that is where you guys are getting that impression, old data? There was a 60% reduction in cpu load a few months ago but I don't know how much the bandwidth traffic was reduced if any. I posted earlier some stats on the real life bandwidth usage we see on BF servers. I changed that subject though not expecting this one to continue... sorry about that. Rick -- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 10/27/2003 -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
