Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect
Simple reason, the old 1-127.x.x.x - class A 128-191.x.x.x - class B 192.x.x.x - class C is now totaly obsolete, and RIRs don't apply it anymore (something to do with CIDR). RIRs now gives IPs they can give and don't really care about the old class system. In fact this won't help on that matter because steam sends the server list based on your IP, if you external IP starts with lets say 88, it's send you all 88.xxx.xxx.xxx servers, then 89.xxx.xxx.xxx the 87.xxx.xxx.xxx then 90.xxx.xxx.xxx then 86.xxx.xxx.xxx at least thats what was said last time alfred spoke about it (correct me if I'm wrong).. Fact is that even if I'm french on 88.xxx.xxx.xxx public IP, the 89.xxx.xxx.xxx might be a polish range, 90.xxx.xxx.xxx could be US range etc etc.. This is why the server list is (to my opinion) sent the wrong way.. Would make much more sense to send only the IPs from your country first: firts you get servers from my range, then the next French IP server range etc etc.. Best regards ics a écrit : One thing keeps me wondering, which is that why your server has C-class IP instead of A-class? This is propably the reason why it gets listed last after every A-class IP like your own. -ics J. Miribel kirjoitti: Hi all, hi TC, I agree all players from europe play on our servers but this is the case because both you and I have big servers... On our CSS 64 ppl server, 55% of the players are from our country (france) and on the 45% left 40 are from country around france: UK, belgium, deutchland, spain etc... Eastern europe user won't connect thats for sure ;) BUT: in my cas, our server shows up real late in server list, all because the server list query will send me servers with IP near mine, and my personnal IP starts with 82.xxx.xxx.xxx, the server is 194.xxx.xxx.xxx... My server is then full of servers from all over Europe before I get servers from my own country.. This server filter is out of date... There are at least 3 kinds of players: Those who look for a ffa server with a decent ping (and those won't play far from homeland) Those who likes to play on special/modded servers (those we both welcome everyday on our big servers TC) Those who are there for scrimm (and they already know the IP of the server they'll play on) All I'm saying is that Valve should better filtrate the servers IP and the server list should be sent depending on player's IP's COUNTRY / Server IP's COUNTRY instead of player's IP / server's IP. Why ? Because RIPE / ARIN / LACNIC and other RIRs won't allocate subnets by country anymore, therefore the server listing is done the wrong way ;) Best regards TC a écrit : Do you really think UK players will play on Italian servers? Man they have 1000+ decent servers in their country, they won't event think about connecting to one... Players tend to come from all over the place for servers in Europe which can be seen if you geo-ip profile your own players. Below is an example snapshot of players on our UKCS TF2 servers from yesterday. As you can see, they come from a wide area and pings stay low with good connectivity. Moment in time snapshot: http://images.ukcs.net/10002/tf2world.JPG I think prioritising the list winding outwards from the location of the server would be a good thing, but not to stop at a country's boundary. The master list could hold long/lat in the record, and then it’s a simple bit of maths to work out distance between two co-ords allowing sorting by distance. Ping is an approximation of that which they may think is better - they'd say its not distance its ping that’s important. However, during a full server list refresh the pings obtained tend to be totally wrong due to the overload on the clients connection doing all the pings. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Miribel Sent: 24 March 2008 13:16 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect I still wonder why you can't use a dns instead of an IP... We should have a cvar like sv_favname... Lets say its blank by default - favorites menu memorizes the IP of the server When server admin sets something in like sv_favname host.domain.com, then favorites memorizes the dns name... On the same kind of issue I still wonder why VALVe still uses their out of date server listing stuff... I have to wait 5 mins to see half of the servers of my country... I really think VALVe should geolocalize the player's IP and send the server list depending on the players country... I've been using goelocalization databases for quite a while now, thats really easy to implement... Too bad its not done already.. Do you really think UK players will play on Italian servers? Man they have 1000+ decent servers in their country, they won't event think about connecting to one... Best regards Julian Andreas
Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect
Hi all, hi TC, I agree all players from europe play on our servers but this is the case because both you and I have big servers... On our CSS 64 ppl server, 55% of the players are from our country (france) and on the 45% left 40 are from country around france: UK, belgium, deutchland, spain etc... Eastern europe user won't connect thats for sure ;) BUT: in my cas, our server shows up real late in server list, all because the server list query will send me servers with IP near mine, and my personnal IP starts with 82.xxx.xxx.xxx, the server is 194.xxx.xxx.xxx... My server is then full of servers from all over Europe before I get servers from my own country.. This server filter is out of date... There are at least 3 kinds of players: Those who look for a ffa server with a decent ping (and those won't play far from homeland) Those who likes to play on special/modded servers (those we both welcome everyday on our big servers TC) Those who are there for scrimm (and they already know the IP of the server they'll play on) All I'm saying is that Valve should better filtrate the servers IP and the server list should be sent depending on player's IP's COUNTRY / Server IP's COUNTRY instead of player's IP / server's IP. Why ? Because RIPE / ARIN / LACNIC and other RIRs won't allocate subnets by country anymore, therefore the server listing is done the wrong way ;) Best regards TC a écrit : Do you really think UK players will play on Italian servers? Man they have 1000+ decent servers in their country, they won't event think about connecting to one... Players tend to come from all over the place for servers in Europe which can be seen if you geo-ip profile your own players. Below is an example snapshot of players on our UKCS TF2 servers from yesterday. As you can see, they come from a wide area and pings stay low with good connectivity. Moment in time snapshot: http://images.ukcs.net/10002/tf2world.JPG I think prioritising the list winding outwards from the location of the server would be a good thing, but not to stop at a country's boundary. The master list could hold long/lat in the record, and then it’s a simple bit of maths to work out distance between two co-ords allowing sorting by distance. Ping is an approximation of that which they may think is better - they'd say its not distance its ping that’s important. However, during a full server list refresh the pings obtained tend to be totally wrong due to the overload on the clients connection doing all the pings. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Miribel Sent: 24 March 2008 13:16 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect I still wonder why you can't use a dns instead of an IP... We should have a cvar like sv_favname... Lets say its blank by default - favorites menu memorizes the IP of the server When server admin sets something in like sv_favname host.domain.com, then favorites memorizes the dns name... On the same kind of issue I still wonder why VALVe still uses their out of date server listing stuff... I have to wait 5 mins to see half of the servers of my country... I really think VALVe should geolocalize the player's IP and send the server list depending on the players country... I've been using goelocalization databases for quite a while now, thats really easy to implement... Too bad its not done already.. Do you really think UK players will play on Italian servers? Man they have 1000+ decent servers in their country, they won't event think about connecting to one... Best regards Julian Andreas Grimm a écrit : Hi, valve is still working on the function, that server admins can change ip addresses of gameservers without losing them in the steam favorites ... my tip: change the servername and post the new ip address ... and add server messages, for example with mani's ad's messages, every 30 seconds, that the server is out of date and it has a new ip address ... i have done this a lot of times and it worked very well ... in css there are possibilies to pop up a dialog to ask a player if he wants to connect to another server ... but im not sure how it works, never tried that ... but a plugin could make it: check www.sourcemod.net good luck andreas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi guys, hope you can help me out here. After experiencing a lot of problems with some of our servers hosted by one of our communitys sponsors, we have decided to host them ourself. The problem is, that these servers are our most popular. Changing IP on a popular server is always risky business, so I wish
Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect
One thing keeps me wondering, which is that why your server has C-class IP instead of A-class? This is propably the reason why it gets listed last after every A-class IP like your own. -ics J. Miribel kirjoitti: Hi all, hi TC, I agree all players from europe play on our servers but this is the case because both you and I have big servers... On our CSS 64 ppl server, 55% of the players are from our country (france) and on the 45% left 40 are from country around france: UK, belgium, deutchland, spain etc... Eastern europe user won't connect thats for sure ;) BUT: in my cas, our server shows up real late in server list, all because the server list query will send me servers with IP near mine, and my personnal IP starts with 82.xxx.xxx.xxx, the server is 194.xxx.xxx.xxx... My server is then full of servers from all over Europe before I get servers from my own country.. This server filter is out of date... There are at least 3 kinds of players: Those who look for a ffa server with a decent ping (and those won't play far from homeland) Those who likes to play on special/modded servers (those we both welcome everyday on our big servers TC) Those who are there for scrimm (and they already know the IP of the server they'll play on) All I'm saying is that Valve should better filtrate the servers IP and the server list should be sent depending on player's IP's COUNTRY / Server IP's COUNTRY instead of player's IP / server's IP. Why ? Because RIPE / ARIN / LACNIC and other RIRs won't allocate subnets by country anymore, therefore the server listing is done the wrong way ;) Best regards TC a écrit : Do you really think UK players will play on Italian servers? Man they have 1000+ decent servers in their country, they won't event think about connecting to one... Players tend to come from all over the place for servers in Europe which can be seen if you geo-ip profile your own players. Below is an example snapshot of players on our UKCS TF2 servers from yesterday. As you can see, they come from a wide area and pings stay low with good connectivity. Moment in time snapshot: http://images.ukcs.net/10002/tf2world.JPG I think prioritising the list winding outwards from the location of the server would be a good thing, but not to stop at a country's boundary. The master list could hold long/lat in the record, and then it’s a simple bit of maths to work out distance between two co-ords allowing sorting by distance. Ping is an approximation of that which they may think is better - they'd say its not distance its ping that’s important. However, during a full server list refresh the pings obtained tend to be totally wrong due to the overload on the clients connection doing all the pings. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Miribel Sent: 24 March 2008 13:16 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect I still wonder why you can't use a dns instead of an IP... We should have a cvar like sv_favname... Lets say its blank by default - favorites menu memorizes the IP of the server When server admin sets something in like sv_favname host.domain.com, then favorites memorizes the dns name... On the same kind of issue I still wonder why VALVe still uses their out of date server listing stuff... I have to wait 5 mins to see half of the servers of my country... I really think VALVe should geolocalize the player's IP and send the server list depending on the players country... I've been using goelocalization databases for quite a while now, thats really easy to implement... Too bad its not done already.. Do you really think UK players will play on Italian servers? Man they have 1000+ decent servers in their country, they won't event think about connecting to one... Best regards Julian Andreas Grimm a écrit : Hi, valve is still working on the function, that server admins can change ip addresses of gameservers without losing them in the steam favorites ... my tip: change the servername and post the new ip address ... and add server messages, for example with mani's ad's messages, every 30 seconds, that the server is out of date and it has a new ip address ... i have done this a lot of times and it worked very well ... in css there are possibilies to pop up a dialog to ask a player if he wants to connect to another server ... but im not sure how it works, never tried that ... but a plugin could make it: check www.sourcemod.net good luck andreas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi guys, hope you can help me out
Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect
Do you really think UK players will play on Italian servers? Man they have 1000+ decent servers in their country, they won't event think about connecting to one... Players tend to come from all over the place for servers in Europe which can be seen if you geo-ip profile your own players. Below is an example snapshot of players on our UKCS TF2 servers from yesterday. As you can see, they come from a wide area and pings stay low with good connectivity. Moment in time snapshot: http://images.ukcs.net/10002/tf2world.JPG I think prioritising the list winding outwards from the location of the server would be a good thing, but not to stop at a country's boundary. The master list could hold long/lat in the record, and then its a simple bit of maths to work out distance between two co-ords allowing sorting by distance. Ping is an approximation of that which they may think is better - they'd say its not distance its ping thats important. However, during a full server list refresh the pings obtained tend to be totally wrong due to the overload on the clients connection doing all the pings. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Miribel Sent: 24 March 2008 13:16 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect I still wonder why you can't use a dns instead of an IP... We should have a cvar like sv_favname... Lets say its blank by default - favorites menu memorizes the IP of the server When server admin sets something in like sv_favname host.domain.com, then favorites memorizes the dns name... On the same kind of issue I still wonder why VALVe still uses their out of date server listing stuff... I have to wait 5 mins to see half of the servers of my country... I really think VALVe should geolocalize the player's IP and send the server list depending on the players country... I've been using goelocalization databases for quite a while now, thats really easy to implement... Too bad its not done already.. Do you really think UK players will play on Italian servers? Man they have 1000+ decent servers in their country, they won't event think about connecting to one... Best regards Julian Andreas Grimm a écrit : Hi, valve is still working on the function, that server admins can change ip addresses of gameservers without losing them in the steam favorites ... my tip: change the servername and post the new ip address ... and add server messages, for example with mani's ad's messages, every 30 seconds, that the server is out of date and it has a new ip address ... i have done this a lot of times and it worked very well ... in css there are possibilies to pop up a dialog to ask a player if he wants to connect to another server ... but im not sure how it works, never tried that ... but a plugin could make it: check www.sourcemod.net good luck andreas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi guys, hope you can help me out here. After experiencing a lot of problems with some of our servers hosted by one of our communitys sponsors, we have decided to host them ourself. The problem is, that these servers are our most popular. Changing IP on a popular server is always risky business, so I wish to keep the old servers up a month or two, but making it redirect all traffic - with a message to the user about whats happening. Have been browsing the net all day, but all links regarding redirect concerns file download. All input would be gratly appreciated! Best Regards Eirik S. Nilssen _ Søk fra enhver webside med kraftig beskyttelse. Få Windows Live Toolbar GRATIS i dag! http://www.toolbar.live.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect
Hello, RatMod Supports it! Contact me in ICQ: 440-122-388 With friendly Reguards from Germany Ratman2000 - Original Message - From: LDuke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect There is a redirect ability built in to the plugin interface, but it requests the user to push F3 to accept the redirect. There is no way to automatically redirect anyone. It used to be possible to execute connect ... on the client, but this is one of the client commands blocked from being executed on the server. Some honey pot farms had as many as 50 servers redirecting to 1 server, which was annoying to players and considered abusive. Because of people like that, regular server operators can no longer use it in appropriate situations. The F3 option would be good though. I'm not sure which admin plugins support it. Check Mani, Beetle, and SourceMod to see. On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Eirik Nilssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm.. that might be an acceptable solutions yes :-) But there is no way one could configure the server to redirect clients to another server? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:43:18 +0100 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi, valve is still working on the function, that server admins can change ip addresses of gameservers without losing them in the steam favorites ... my tip: change the servername and post the new ip address ... and add server messages, for example with mani's ad's messages, every 30 seconds, that the server is out of date and it has a new ip address ... i have done this a lot of times and it worked very well ... in css there are possibilies to pop up a dialog to ask a player if he wants to connect to another server ... but im not sure how it works, never tried that ... but a plugin could make it: check www.sourcemod.net good luck andreas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi guys, hope you can help me out here. After experiencing a lot of problems with some of our servers hosted by one of our communitys sponsors, we have decided to host them ourself. The problem is, that these servers are our most popular. Changing IP on a popular server is always risky business, so I wish to keep the old servers up a month or two, but making it redirect all traffic - with a message to the user about whats happening. Have been browsing the net all day, but all links regarding redirect concerns file download. All input would be gratly appreciated! Best Regards Eirik S. Nilssen _ Søk fra enhver webside med kraftig beskyttelse. Få Windows Live Toolbar GRATIS i dag! http://www.toolbar.live.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _ Ring venner med PC-til-PC-samtaler - GRATIS http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect
I still wonder why you can't use a dns instead of an IP... We should have a cvar like sv_favname... Lets say its blank by default - favorites menu memorizes the IP of the server When server admin sets something in like sv_favname host.domain.com, then favorites memorizes the dns name... On the same kind of issue I still wonder why VALVe still uses their out of date server listing stuff... I have to wait 5 mins to see half of the servers of my country... I really think VALVe should geolocalize the player's IP and send the server list depending on the players country... I've been using goelocalization databases for quite a while now, thats really easy to implement... Too bad its not done already.. Do you really think UK players will play on Italian servers? Man they have 1000+ decent servers in their country, they won't event think about connecting to one... Best regards Julian Andreas Grimm a écrit : Hi, valve is still working on the function, that server admins can change ip addresses of gameservers without losing them in the steam favorites ... my tip: change the servername and post the new ip address ... and add server messages, for example with mani's ad's messages, every 30 seconds, that the server is out of date and it has a new ip address ... i have done this a lot of times and it worked very well ... in css there are possibilies to pop up a dialog to ask a player if he wants to connect to another server ... but im not sure how it works, never tried that ... but a plugin could make it: check www.sourcemod.net good luck andreas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi guys, hope you can help me out here. After experiencing a lot of problems with some of our servers hosted by one of our communitys sponsors, we have decided to host them ourself. The problem is, that these servers are our most popular. Changing IP on a popular server is always risky business, so I wish to keep the old servers up a month or two, but making it redirect all traffic - with a message to the user about whats happening. Have been browsing the net all day, but all links regarding redirect concerns file download. All input would be gratly appreciated! Best Regards Eirik S. Nilssen _ Søk fra enhver webside med kraftig beskyttelse. Få Windows Live Toolbar GRATIS i dag! http://www.toolbar.live.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect
+1000 to the sv_favname idea - the favname should resolve to the server at the time of fav'ing to prevent abuse. It could be added as a EDP flag item to the A2S_INFO packet too. - Neph On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:16 AM, J. Miribel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still wonder why you can't use a dns instead of an IP... We should have a cvar like sv_favname... Lets say its blank by default - favorites menu memorizes the IP of the server When server admin sets something in like sv_favname host.domain.com, then favorites memorizes the dns name... On the same kind of issue I still wonder why VALVe still uses their out of date server listing stuff... I have to wait 5 mins to see half of the servers of my country... I really think VALVe should geolocalize the player's IP and send the server list depending on the players country... I've been using goelocalization databases for quite a while now, thats really easy to implement... Too bad its not done already.. Do you really think UK players will play on Italian servers? Man they have 1000+ decent servers in their country, they won't event think about connecting to one... Best regards Julian Andreas Grimm a écrit : Hi, valve is still working on the function, that server admins can change ip addresses of gameservers without losing them in the steam favorites ... my tip: change the servername and post the new ip address ... and add server messages, for example with mani's ad's messages, every 30 seconds, that the server is out of date and it has a new ip address ... i have done this a lot of times and it worked very well ... in css there are possibilies to pop up a dialog to ask a player if he wants to connect to another server ... but im not sure how it works, never tried that ... but a plugin could make it: check www.sourcemod.net good luck andreas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi guys, hope you can help me out here. After experiencing a lot of problems with some of our servers hosted by one of our communitys sponsors, we have decided to host them ourself. The problem is, that these servers are our most popular. Changing IP on a popular server is always risky business, so I wish to keep the old servers up a month or two, but making it redirect all traffic - with a message to the user about whats happening. Have been browsing the net all day, but all links regarding redirect concerns file download. All input would be gratly appreciated! Best Regards Eirik S. Nilssen _ Søk fra enhver webside med kraftig beskyttelse. Få Windows Live Toolbar GRATIS i dag! http://www.toolbar.live.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect
I've always wanted to be able to put in a DNS name instead of an IP, and KEEP it as a name, instead of having it automatically resolve once to whatever the current IP is, and then stored as only that IP. That way, as long as the server op keeps his DNS entries updated, you could just connect to css.icountsheep.com instead of having to go in and manually change your favorites IP addresses in the rare event of an IP address change. Is it really that hard to change that stored variable to accept text, and then KEEP it as stored text? I know, slow DNS servers may frustrate SOME players, but this would be a HUGE boon to server ops running on a dyndns setup, which is where a ton of server ops got a start on their server admin experience - running it on their home connection. We all got started somewhere. We should discuss this idea further, and if Valve wont implement it, isn't there some kind of client side plugin that can implement it? Rick Payton, I.T. Manager Morikawa Associates, LLC (808) 572-1745 Office (808) 572-6323 Fax www.mai-hawaii.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:18 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect +1000 to the sv_favname idea - the favname should resolve to the server at the time of fav'ing to prevent abuse. It could be added as a EDP flag item to the A2S_INFO packet too. - Neph ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect
That's a great idea, and I fully support it -Atreus On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Nephyrin Zey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1000 to the sv_favname idea - the favname should resolve to the server at the time of fav'ing to prevent abuse. It could be added as a EDP flag item to the A2S_INFO packet too. - Neph On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:16 AM, J. Miribel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still wonder why you can't use a dns instead of an IP... We should have a cvar like sv_favname... Lets say its blank by default - favorites menu memorizes the IP of the server When server admin sets something in like sv_favname host.domain.com, then favorites memorizes the dns name... On the same kind of issue I still wonder why VALVe still uses their out of date server listing stuff... I have to wait 5 mins to see half of the servers of my country... I really think VALVe should geolocalize the player's IP and send the server list depending on the players country... I've been using goelocalization databases for quite a while now, thats really easy to implement... Too bad its not done already.. Do you really think UK players will play on Italian servers? Man they have 1000+ decent servers in their country, they won't event think about connecting to one... Best regards Julian Andreas Grimm a écrit : Hi, valve is still working on the function, that server admins can change ip addresses of gameservers without losing them in the steam favorites ... my tip: change the servername and post the new ip address ... and add server messages, for example with mani's ad's messages, every 30 seconds, that the server is out of date and it has a new ip address ... i have done this a lot of times and it worked very well ... in css there are possibilies to pop up a dialog to ask a player if he wants to connect to another server ... but im not sure how it works, never tried that ... but a plugin could make it: check www.sourcemod.net good luck andreas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi guys, hope you can help me out here. After experiencing a lot of problems with some of our servers hosted by one of our communitys sponsors, we have decided to host them ourself. The problem is, that these servers are our most popular. Changing IP on a popular server is always risky business, so I wish to keep the old servers up a month or two, but making it redirect all traffic - with a message to the user about whats happening. Have been browsing the net all day, but all links regarding redirect concerns file download. All input would be gratly appreciated! Best Regards Eirik S. Nilssen _ Søk fra enhver webside med kraftig beskyttelse. Få Windows Live Toolbar GRATIS i dag! http://www.toolbar.live.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Thanks, -Jeff ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect
} -Original Message- } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Miribel } Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:16 AM } To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list } Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect } } I still wonder why you can't use a dns instead of an IP... We should } have a cvar like sv_favname... } } Lets say its blank by default - favorites menu memorizes the IP of the } server } When server admin sets something in like sv_favname host.domain.com, } then favorites memorizes the dns name... } } On the same kind of issue I still wonder why VALVe still uses their out } of date server listing stuff... I have to wait 5 mins to see half of the } servers of my country... I really think VALVe should geolocalize the } player's IP and send the server list depending on the players country... } I've been using goelocalization databases for quite a while now, thats } really easy to implement... Too bad its not done already.. Do you really } think UK players will play on Italian servers? Man they have 1000+ } decent servers in their country, they won't event think about connecting } to one... } } Best regards } Julian I get people from around the world on my server. Seems to depend on the time of day. But I would agree with a geo filter, as long as it is optional. Guy ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] Server redirect
Hi guys, hope you can help me out here. After experiencing a lot of problems with some of our servers hosted by one of our communitys sponsors, we have decided to host them ourself. The problem is, that these servers are our most popular. Changing IP on a popular server is always risky business, so I wish to keep the old servers up a month or two, but making it redirect all traffic - with a message to the user about whats happening. Have been browsing the net all day, but all links regarding redirect concerns file download. All input would be gratly appreciated! Best Regards Eirik S. Nilssen _ Søk fra enhver webside med kraftig beskyttelse. Få Windows Live Toolbar GRATIS i dag! http://www.toolbar.live.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect
Hi, valve is still working on the function, that server admins can change ip addresses of gameservers without losing them in the steam favorites ... my tip: change the servername and post the new ip address ... and add server messages, for example with mani's ad's messages, every 30 seconds, that the server is out of date and it has a new ip address ... i have done this a lot of times and it worked very well ... in css there are possibilies to pop up a dialog to ask a player if he wants to connect to another server ... but im not sure how it works, never tried that ... but a plugin could make it: check www.sourcemod.net good luck andreas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi guys, hope you can help me out here. After experiencing a lot of problems with some of our servers hosted by one of our communitys sponsors, we have decided to host them ourself. The problem is, that these servers are our most popular. Changing IP on a popular server is always risky business, so I wish to keep the old servers up a month or two, but making it redirect all traffic - with a message to the user about whats happening. Have been browsing the net all day, but all links regarding redirect concerns file download. All input would be gratly appreciated! Best Regards Eirik S. Nilssen _ Søk fra enhver webside med kraftig beskyttelse. Få Windows Live Toolbar GRATIS i dag! http://www.toolbar.live.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect
Hmm.. that might be an acceptable solutions yes :-) But there is no way one could configure the server to redirect clients to another server? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:43:18 +0100 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi, valve is still working on the function, that server admins can change ip addresses of gameservers without losing them in the steam favorites ... my tip: change the servername and post the new ip address ... and add server messages, for example with mani's ad's messages, every 30 seconds, that the server is out of date and it has a new ip address ... i have done this a lot of times and it worked very well ... in css there are possibilies to pop up a dialog to ask a player if he wants to connect to another server ... but im not sure how it works, never tried that ... but a plugin could make it: check www.sourcemod.net good luck andreas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi guys, hope you can help me out here. After experiencing a lot of problems with some of our servers hosted by one of our communitys sponsors, we have decided to host them ourself. The problem is, that these servers are our most popular. Changing IP on a popular server is always risky business, so I wish to keep the old servers up a month or two, but making it redirect all traffic - with a message to the user about whats happening. Have been browsing the net all day, but all links regarding redirect concerns file download. All input would be gratly appreciated! Best Regards Eirik S. Nilssen _ Søk fra enhver webside med kraftig beskyttelse. Få Windows Live Toolbar GRATIS i dag! http://www.toolbar.live.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _ Ring venner med PC-til-PC-samtaler - GRATIS http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect
Done it diego asked me already. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: 23 March 2008 19:11 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hmm.. that might be an acceptable solutions yes :-) But there is no way one could configure the server to redirect clients to another server? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:43:18 +0100 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi, valve is still working on the function, that server admins can change ip addresses of gameservers without losing them in the steam favorites ... my tip: change the servername and post the new ip address ... and add server messages, for example with mani's ad's messages, every 30 seconds, that the server is out of date and it has a new ip address ... i have done this a lot of times and it worked very well ... in css there are possibilies to pop up a dialog to ask a player if he wants to connect to another server ... but im not sure how it works, never tried that ... but a plugin could make it: check www.sourcemod.net good luck andreas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi guys, hope you can help me out here. After experiencing a lot of problems with some of our servers hosted by one of our communitys sponsors, we have decided to host them ourself. The problem is, that these servers are our most popular. Changing IP on a popular server is always risky business, so I wish to keep the old servers up a month or two, but making it redirect all traffic - with a message to the user about whats happening. Have been browsing the net all day, but all links regarding redirect concerns file download. All input would be gratly appreciated! Best Regards Eirik S. Nilssen _ Søk fra enhver webside med kraftig beskyttelse. Få Windows Live Toolbar GRATIS i dag! http://www.toolbar.live.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _ Ring venner med PC-til-PC-samtaler - GRATIS http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect
Oops lol sorry guys, outlook for the win! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of HLDS @ Alpha-Networks.co.uk Sent: 23 March 2008 20:21 To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Done it diego asked me already. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: 23 March 2008 19:11 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hmm.. that might be an acceptable solutions yes :-) But there is no way one could configure the server to redirect clients to another server? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:43:18 +0100 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi, valve is still working on the function, that server admins can change ip addresses of gameservers without losing them in the steam favorites ... my tip: change the servername and post the new ip address ... and add server messages, for example with mani's ad's messages, every 30 seconds, that the server is out of date and it has a new ip address ... i have done this a lot of times and it worked very well ... in css there are possibilies to pop up a dialog to ask a player if he wants to connect to another server ... but im not sure how it works, never tried that ... but a plugin could make it: check www.sourcemod.net good luck andreas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi guys, hope you can help me out here. After experiencing a lot of problems with some of our servers hosted by one of our communitys sponsors, we have decided to host them ourself. The problem is, that these servers are our most popular. Changing IP on a popular server is always risky business, so I wish to keep the old servers up a month or two, but making it redirect all traffic - with a message to the user about whats happening. Have been browsing the net all day, but all links regarding redirect concerns file download. All input would be gratly appreciated! Best Regards Eirik S. Nilssen _ Søk fra enhver webside med kraftig beskyttelse. Få Windows Live Toolbar GRATIS i dag! http://www.toolbar.live.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _ Ring venner med PC-til-PC-samtaler - GRATIS http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect
There is a redirect ability built in to the plugin interface, but it requests the user to push F3 to accept the redirect. There is no way to automatically redirect anyone. It used to be possible to execute connect ... on the client, but this is one of the client commands blocked from being executed on the server. Some honey pot farms had as many as 50 servers redirecting to 1 server, which was annoying to players and considered abusive. Because of people like that, regular server operators can no longer use it in appropriate situations. The F3 option would be good though. I'm not sure which admin plugins support it. Check Mani, Beetle, and SourceMod to see. On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Eirik Nilssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm.. that might be an acceptable solutions yes :-) But there is no way one could configure the server to redirect clients to another server? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:43:18 +0100 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi, valve is still working on the function, that server admins can change ip addresses of gameservers without losing them in the steam favorites ... my tip: change the servername and post the new ip address ... and add server messages, for example with mani's ad's messages, every 30 seconds, that the server is out of date and it has a new ip address ... i have done this a lot of times and it worked very well ... in css there are possibilies to pop up a dialog to ask a player if he wants to connect to another server ... but im not sure how it works, never tried that ... but a plugin could make it: check www.sourcemod.net good luck andreas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:30 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: [hlds_linux] Server redirect Hi guys, hope you can help me out here. After experiencing a lot of problems with some of our servers hosted by one of our communitys sponsors, we have decided to host them ourself. The problem is, that these servers are our most popular. Changing IP on a popular server is always risky business, so I wish to keep the old servers up a month or two, but making it redirect all traffic - with a message to the user about whats happening. Have been browsing the net all day, but all links regarding redirect concerns file download. All input would be gratly appreciated! Best Regards Eirik S. Nilssen _ Søk fra enhver webside med kraftig beskyttelse. Få Windows Live Toolbar GRATIS i dag! http://www.toolbar.live.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _ Ring venner med PC-til-PC-samtaler - GRATIS http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
