RE: [hlds_linux] Valve: THANK YOU; Valve Haters: WOW, Quit Your Bitching!
Wow, that was a pretty ignorant email. Please continue to contribute your bits of knowledge and golden insight. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Schulteis Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 2:49 AM To: HLDS Subject: [hlds_linux] Valve: THANK YOU; Valve Haters: WOW, Quit Your Bitching! Like the subject says, QUIT YOUR BITCHING! You all remind me of that Flash cartoon about the kid creating 'L337zor-Strike'. If you think you can do better than Valve, by all means, GO AHEAD. But the fact is, you can't (or at least, won't). I'm pretty damn sure that Valve is trying as hard as they can! It's much easier to write code [Hacks] to defeat a KNOWN set of tests [VAC], than to write code [VAC] to find an UNKNOWN set of exploits [Hacks]. If you guys would sit down and actually try to find HOW these cheats work, and submit THAT to the list instead of random bitching, maybe something would actually get accomplished! The fact is, nobody other than the CD developers are doing anything other than random, idiotic, unhelpful complaining. And you know what... the CD developers informed Valve that they had methods to HELP, and Valve allowed them to get CD to work with their software. So unless you f**king bitchers actually find something helpful, shut the F*$ UP! We all know there are cheaters out there. Duh! Try and help the situation, don't add to it. And honestly, there have actually been very few on my servers lately, which are very obvious to pick out and ban manually, as always. Meanwhile, VAC is continuing to detect cheaters on my servers every couple of days (including the 21st). So, in summary, constructive criticism is the only type of post that is going to get anything done; stop bitching at people for not doing things which you do not know how to do either! Eric, let me appologize on behalf of the entire community, and also say thank you, which they do not seem to know how to do. /rant -- Brad Schulteis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lots of campers on your server? Get some Camp Counselors: admin_monster http://www.therealaod.com/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Valve: THANK YOU; Valve Haters: WOW, Quit Your Bitching!
ignorance in this case is obviously not bliss... ~vap - Original Message - From: Eric (Deacon) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Valve: THANK YOU; Valve Haters: WOW, Quit Your Bitching! Wow, that was a pretty ignorant email. Please continue to contribute your bits of knowledge and golden insight. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Schulteis Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 2:49 AM To: HLDS Subject: [hlds_linux] Valve: THANK YOU; Valve Haters: WOW, Quit Your Bitching! Like the subject says, QUIT YOUR BITCHING! You all remind me of that Flash cartoon about the kid creating 'L337zor-Strike'. If you think you can do better than Valve, by all means, GO AHEAD. But the fact is, you can't (or at least, won't). I'm pretty damn sure that Valve is trying as hard as they can! It's much easier to write code [Hacks] to defeat a KNOWN set of tests [VAC], than to write code [VAC] to find an UNKNOWN set of exploits [Hacks]. If you guys would sit down and actually try to find HOW these cheats work, and submit THAT to the list instead of random bitching, maybe something would actually get accomplished! The fact is, nobody other than the CD developers are doing anything other than random, idiotic, unhelpful complaining. And you know what... the CD developers informed Valve that they had methods to HELP, and Valve allowed them to get CD to work with their software. So unless you f**king bitchers actually find something helpful, shut the F*$ UP! We all know there are cheaters out there. Duh! Try and help the situation, don't add to it. And honestly, there have actually been very few on my servers lately, which are very obvious to pick out and ban manually, as always. Meanwhile, VAC is continuing to detect cheaters on my servers every couple of days (including the 21st). So, in summary, constructive criticism is the only type of post that is going to get anything done; stop bitching at people for not doing things which you do not know how to do either! Eric, let me appologize on behalf of the entire community, and also say thank you, which they do not seem to know how to do. /rant -- Brad Schulteis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lots of campers on your server? Get some Camp Counselors: admin_monster http://www.therealaod.com/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Valve: THANK YOU; Valve Haters: WOW, Quit Your Bitching!
Uhm, Valve was responsible for the C-D projects death. Since VAC has let us down, I think we have every right to complain. Valve isn't some charity giving away free software you realize, they are a company making money off us. So I think we have every right to complain, although complaints regardless of their legitimacy should be constructed and directed in as professional manner as possible... Honestly, because of VAC we all suffer. Thank GOD UA picked up C-D and we now again have an alternative. I'll pat Valve on the back when they let an outside entity handle their anti-cheat as clearly they are not capable of doing an effective job for probably a variety of reasons (other projects?!). If the community was doing a fine job, why not just let it continue, or give them the code they need to make it better. james - Original Message - From: Brad Schulteis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: HLDS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:49 AM Subject: [hlds_linux] Valve: THANK YOU; Valve Haters: WOW, Quit Your Bitching! Like the subject says, QUIT YOUR BITCHING! You all remind me of that Flash cartoon about the kid creating 'L337zor-Strike'. If you think you can do better than Valve, by all means, GO AHEAD. But the fact is, you can't (or at least, won't). I'm pretty damn sure that Valve is trying as hard as they can! It's much easier to write code [Hacks] to defeat a KNOWN set of tests [VAC], than to write code [VAC] to find an UNKNOWN set of exploits [Hacks]. If you guys would sit down and actually try to find HOW these cheats work, and submit THAT to the list instead of random bitching, maybe something would actually get accomplished! The fact is, nobody other than the CD developers are doing anything other than random, idiotic, unhelpful complaining. And you know what... the CD developers informed Valve that they had methods to HELP, and Valve allowed them to get CD to work with their software. So unless you f**king bitchers actually find something helpful, shut the F*$ UP! We all know there are cheaters out there. Duh! Try and help the situation, don't add to it. And honestly, there have actually been very few on my servers lately, which are very obvious to pick out and ban manually, as always. Meanwhile, VAC is continuing to detect cheaters on my servers every couple of days (including the 21st). So, in summary, constructive criticism is the only type of post that is going to get anything done; stop bitching at people for not doing things which you do not know how to do either! Eric, let me appologize on behalf of the entire community, and also say thank you, which they do not seem to know how to do. /rant -- Brad Schulteis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lots of campers on your server? Get some Camp Counselors: admin_monster http://www.therealaod.com/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Valve: THANK YOU; Valve Haters: WOW, Quit Your Bitching!
Yeah. I guess I would have to agree here. VAC disabled all the 3rd party alternatives on it's inception (almost). Those were people volunteering their time and making updates fairly regularly. I don't hate VAC, but clearly the update frequency is far short of the anti-cheats it no longer allows. It's good to see CD come back. I'm not sure I want to use it yet, but we'll see. Valve, I think even if there is a small update for a single cheat, VAC should be updated. If your waiting to nail 10 at a time (I don't know that they are), it doesn't work well in the mean time for us, or possibly even overall. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Valve: THANK YOU; Valve Haters: WOW, Quit Your Bitching!
On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 02:49:17AM -0600, Brad Schulteis wrote: | Like the subject says, QUIT YOUR BITCHING! You all remind me of that | Flash cartoon about the kid creating 'L337zor-Strike'. If you think you | can do better than Valve, by all means, GO AHEAD. But the fact is, you | can't (or at least, won't). I'm pretty damn sure that Valve is trying as | hard as they can! It's much easier to write code [Hacks] to defeat a | KNOWN set of tests [VAC], than to write code [VAC] to find an UNKNOWN | set of exploits [Hacks]. If you guys would sit down and actually try to | find HOW these cheats work, and submit THAT to the list instead of | random bitching, maybe something would actually get accomplished! The | fact is, nobody other than the CD developers are doing anything other | than random, idiotic, unhelpful complaining. And you know what... the CD | developers informed Valve that they had methods to HELP, and Valve | allowed them to get CD to work with their software. So unless you | f**king bitchers actually find something helpful, shut the F*$ UP! We | all know there are cheaters out there. Duh! Try and help the situation, | don't add to it. And honestly, there have actually been very few on my | servers lately, which are very obvious to pick out and ban manually, as | always. Meanwhile, VAC is continuing to detect cheaters on my servers | every couple of days (including the 21st). So, in summary, constructive | criticism is the only type of post that is going to get anything done; | stop bitching at people for not doing things which you do not know how | to do either! Eric, let me appologize on behalf of the entire community, | and also say thank you, which they do not seem to know how to do. | I'm also sure that VALVE would not do anything if they did not know what cheats was out there and how big the problem is. People complaining do a well job in showing how big the cheating problem is. Witch then again help VALVE set focus on the most known cheats. -- Børge Amundsen http://lv8pv.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
