Re: [hlds_linux] server hosting question.
Gentoo was my first Linux distro and I had a few years of computer experience to try to understand what was going on with every installation step. The kernel configuration took the longest to comprehend but I got it down and now I know what to compile into the kernel and apply some patches to increase performance. For those who are lazy and are not willing to read and learn a few things about a new OS, they might as well not bother with Linux and stay with Windows. Using a i686 stage 3 install and having genkernel automatically configure and compile your kernel for you, you can have OS installed and a CS server up and running within an hour (assuming you have the CS files locally from another machine). There are more graphically-enhanced and user-friendly out-of-the-box Linux distros out there but installation is as easy as following directions. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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I couldn't handle it, but that was just because it took too long from a stage 1 tbh. I don't see any reason at all why people can't start off with a stable and secured o.s and learn from there. Nothing like people thinking they know it all and have left some hole in their system because they don't "really" know it. Thats always the most dangerous security hole of them all. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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In a bold display of creativity, Nathan Marcus wrote: This is rediculous talking about starting with Gentoo, and Debian can be scary when you dont know whats going on. That really depends on you knowledge and competency with computers in general. While I wasn't a *complete* noob to Linux, I would certainly be considered a novice/beginner when I installed it for the first time. The documentation is stellar, and if you're considering running an HL server on Linux, I would suggest you use Gentoo as a trial by fire so to speak. If you can't handle the installation and setup of Gentoo, then you need to leave the server hosting to people who know how to set up and secure a box. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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I vote for Slackware for a new user. Nobody has mentioned it yet. It runs CS quite well, and is pretty easy for a new user to set up. Plus they are forced to learn basic commands, which helps. (if nothing else, startx and stopx are fast introductions :) This is rediculous talking about starting with Gentoo, and Debian can be scary when you dont know whats going on. BTW look at how many distros there are www.distrowatch.com, they got reviews too. Ian mu wrote: Sort of off topic, but not really as its relevant to the first question asked. I'm sorry but Gentoo is just plain wrong for new people. It takes ages, lulls you into a false sense of security that you know more than the people that actually make specific server installs for example (why do gentoo users think they know more than the people who make the dists? Most I meet don't know that much beyond following some tutorial about how to install Gentoo, and then suddenly feel empowered because they learnt one way of doing something oO). It's cobblers. Don't fall for it, use gentoo when you feel competent at linux and all involved, and "then" you can make the most of it and its a good dist, and ignore the muppets who consider the way to go is to learn by mistakes. Thats fine on your own PC and time its a great way to learn definitely, but not when providing a service to others. Bottom line for me is this...would I rent a server off someone who claimed to know gentoo? Not on your nelly. Some do yes. But there's a hell of a lot more that don't. At least those who go for a distro set up immediately for a server know they at least have a chance of providing a service whilst they learn. Start from a solid ground up. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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I agree with you. :) I have learned my way thru linux and have set up Gentoo a number of times now and I love it... BUT. (you knew it was coming) It is NOT for total newbies lol. If you know your way around the filesystem, can do a kernel reconfigure and compile, have ever used the chroot command, can compile a program from command prompt, know wtf sysctl.conf is for, can talk competently about various linux distros for more than 5 min, you get my idea know what the hell your doing first then get into gentoo if you wanna try it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ian mu Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:41 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] server hosting question. Sort of off topic, but not really as its relevant to the first question asked. I'm sorry but Gentoo is just plain wrong for new people. It takes ages, lulls you into a false sense of security that you know more than the people that actually make specific server installs for example (why do gentoo users think they know more than the people who make the dists? Most I meet don't know that much beyond following some tutorial about how to install Gentoo, and then suddenly feel empowered because they learnt one way of doing something oO). It's cobblers. Don't fall for it, use gentoo when you feel competent at linux and all involved, and "then" you can make the most of it and its a good dist, and ignore the muppets who consider the way to go is to learn by mistakes. Thats fine on your own PC and time its a great way to learn definitely, but not when providing a service to others. Bottom line for me is this...would I rent a server off someone who claimed to know gentoo? Not on your nelly. Some do yes. But there's a hell of a lot more that don't. At least those who go for a distro set up immediately for a server know they at least have a chance of providing a service whilst they learn. Start from a solid ground up. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Sort of off topic, but not really as its relevant to the first question asked. I'm sorry but Gentoo is just plain wrong for new people. It takes ages, lulls you into a false sense of security that you know more than the people that actually make specific server installs for example (why do gentoo users think they know more than the people who make the dists? Most I meet don't know that much beyond following some tutorial about how to install Gentoo, and then suddenly feel empowered because they learnt one way of doing something oO). It's cobblers. Don't fall for it, use gentoo when you feel competent at linux and all involved, and "then" you can make the most of it and its a good dist, and ignore the muppets who consider the way to go is to learn by mistakes. Thats fine on your own PC and time its a great way to learn definitely, but not when providing a service to others. Bottom line for me is this...would I rent a server off someone who claimed to know gentoo? Not on your nelly. Some do yes. But there's a hell of a lot more that don't. At least those who go for a distro set up immediately for a server know they at least have a chance of providing a service whilst they learn. Start from a solid ground up. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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I'm not knocking Gentoo, it's the only Linux distro I'd ever use (as a long time FreeBSD user). But I think most people completely new to Linux (and UNIX in general) would find it difficult. The "quick install" reference approach assumes you understand things like how fdisk, grub, boot sectors, and kernel options work. And then you get the most barebones system possible with Linux and need to figure out the myriad of packages necessary to make it a usable environment. It is for this reason that I would not recommend it to a beginner, unless they either (a) wish to learn Linux intimately, or (b) have a friend to help them out. Not everyone wishes to learn the inner-workings of Linux, they just want to host some particular service (such as a Counter-Strike server) with a minimum of fuss. I think a Linux distro that at least has an installer would be a better choice for these people. But yeah, this is way off-topic. :) -- Chris ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Depending on your approach to installing Gentoo, it can be time-consuming or a matter of following a few steps. You could have a Gentoo box running at the home/business with all the pre-compiled packages (for i386 or i686) sitting on a FTP/RSYNC server and when you want to install a package (a DNS or DHCP daemon), you can have the server download the binaries from the FTP server and then you're up and running. All of the package management would be done from the home/business server and you're in full control, but this is starting to get offtopic so I'll stop here. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Can't really agree with the above. Its fine if its a pc at home, but simply the length of time it takes makes it unfeasible for many. For me I like to attend site, install o.s, leave site. 30 mins is what I call reasonable to have a fresh install up and running, all customers back online and go back home. Gentoo for me just doesn't offer that, and has issues about what you can do if limited equipment/time etc, not everyone is able to look up google when installing an o.s, again fine if its by your side. Good server o.s's should be quick to install blind to the rest of the internet. Maybe there's a way around it, and for sure gentoo benefits some who have the facilities, but there's simply no way I would ever entertain such a system without "already" knowing it very well, then maybe as would learn some shortcuts (if there are some). On my own pc, yes, no problem. I do fully understand those who support gentoo and their reasonings, and not disagreeing it works for them and its a good o.s and philosophy of one, but for a lot of people its simply not practical in my book for a server, especially if new to it and linux. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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I agree with you there - in Gentoo's case for example the installation menu is truly brilliant. As long as you have a normal-ish PC config, I think that Gentoo would be one of the best places to start as it would force one to learn, but also one can understand the inner workings of Linux much faster. And then it's a great distro as you said anyway Renzo :-) --- Chris Adams Fragzzhost T (07005) 964 855 F (07005) 964 857 www.fragzzhost.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjørnar Valen Sent: 28 February 2005 17:34 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: SV: [hlds_linux] server hosting question. I must say I don't agree there, I started out with Gentoo as my first Linux distro, and I managed quite fine... As long as you know what google.com is, you can use pretty much whatever distro you want. -Bjørnar -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne av Chris Jones Sendt: 28. februar 2005 10:27 Til: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Emne: Re: [hlds_linux] server hosting question. Original message from Renzo Rosales: > Gentoo is a good meta-distribution if you want to control what gets > installed and have a pure system based on your needs. It is, however, not a good distro for new Linux users. Unless they want to become seasoned Linux users very quickly. -- Chris ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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I must say I don't agree there, I started out with Gentoo as my first Linux distro, and I managed quite fine... As long as you know what google.com is, you can use pretty much whatever distro you want. -Bjørnar -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne av Chris Jones Sendt: 28. februar 2005 10:27 Til: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Emne: Re: [hlds_linux] server hosting question. Original message from Renzo Rosales: > Gentoo is a good meta-distribution if you want to control what gets > installed and have a pure system based on your needs. It is, however, not a good distro for new Linux users. Unless they want to become seasoned Linux users very quickly. -- Chris ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Even if Gentoo isnt that easy - i've never seen such a good documentation for a linux distro. If you have been working on a shell, there should be nor Problem installing Gentoo if you dont have any special hardware etc. But as soon as you have special raid controller, scsi / sata things COULD get complicated ;) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Chris Jones Gesendet: Montag, 28. Februar 2005 10:27 An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] server hosting question. Original message from Renzo Rosales: > Gentoo is a good meta-distribution if you want to control what gets > installed and have a pure system based on your needs. It is, however, not a good distro for new Linux users. Unless they want to become seasoned Linux users very quickly. -- Chris ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Original message from Renzo Rosales: > Gentoo is a good meta-distribution if you want to control what gets > installed and have a pure system based on your needs. It is, however, not a good distro for new Linux users. Unless they want to become seasoned Linux users very quickly. -- Chris ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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I personally come from the angle if you need to ask which distro, gentoo & debian probably aren't for you (although server side you can scrape through debian ok really). Fed core is ok, but there's a lot needed for a server and more updates which isn't necessarily ideal for a server. Might be worth looking into something like centos which you can download as a server cd, and is basically Redhat enterprise rebadged, based on the same source and is free. Just another option worth considering. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Gentoo can be a quick or long install, based on what kind of stage you want to start the install on. Stage 1 allows you add/remove compiler options and compile every system package with your custom flags or you can go with a stage 3 install where all the packages have been pre-compiled for you and all you have left is the kernel and minor packages to build. Gentoo is a good meta-distribution if you want to control what gets installed and have a pure system based on your needs. On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:59:38 -0500, ploc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > tired and lazy next time I shall > - Original Message - > From: "DLinkOZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 11:30 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] server hosting question. > > > Yep, unlike married life... an occassional period here and there when > > typing goes a very long way. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] server hosting question. > > > > > >> In a bold display of creativity, ploc wrote: > >>> out of those 4 I have heard debian spoken about well particularly a > >>> distrobution of debian called gentoo good stuff really depends on the > >>> line on how many it can handle the server itself depending on speed of > >>> ram I would imagin probably 32 easy bandwidth is really going to be your > >>> limiting agent find out what your bandwidth is limited to and get back > >>> to us > >> > >> Holy crap. http://img.penny-arcade.com/2002/20021011l.gif > >> > >> Additionally, Gentoo is not a distribution of Debian. It is a > >> distribution of Linux, and I believe that's where the relationship and > >> common ground end. > >> > >> But seriously, wow. Your reply was almost entirely unreadable. I don't > >> think even the "@midsouth.rr.com" is a good enough excuse for that. > >> > >> -- > >> Eric (the Deacon remix) > >> > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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tired and lazy next time I shall - Original Message - From: "DLinkOZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] server hosting question. Yep, unlike married life... an occassional period here and there when typing goes a very long way. - Original Message - From: "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] server hosting question. In a bold display of creativity, ploc wrote: out of those 4 I have heard debian spoken about well particularly a distrobution of debian called gentoo good stuff really depends on the line on how many it can handle the server itself depending on speed of ram I would imagin probably 32 easy bandwidth is really going to be your limiting agent find out what your bandwidth is limited to and get back to us Holy crap. http://img.penny-arcade.com/2002/20021011l.gif Additionally, Gentoo is not a distribution of Debian. It is a distribution of Linux, and I believe that's where the relationship and common ground end. But seriously, wow. Your reply was almost entirely unreadable. I don't think even the "@midsouth.rr.com" is a good enough excuse for that. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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FreeBSD is quite a good OS, however most game server binaries are in Linux format and thus require the linux emulation that FreeBSD offers. If you're planning/wanting to run anything in 64-bit mod, then you'd probably be out of luck as I believe the emulators are only 32-bit (I'd love to be wrong about this though). Fedora Core 2's probably your easiest bet, and is popular enough that alot of applications support it out of the box. I believe Source servers have issues on FC3, so stick with 2 if you go that route. Gentoo's great, but definitely not a novice, or quick install OS. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Yep, unlike married life... an occassional period here and there when typing goes a very long way. - Original Message - From: "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] server hosting question. In a bold display of creativity, ploc wrote: out of those 4 I have heard debian spoken about well particularly a distrobution of debian called gentoo good stuff really depends on the line on how many it can handle the server itself depending on speed of ram I would imagin probably 32 easy bandwidth is really going to be your limiting agent find out what your bandwidth is limited to and get back to us Holy crap. http://img.penny-arcade.com/2002/20021011l.gif Additionally, Gentoo is not a distribution of Debian. It is a distribution of Linux, and I believe that's where the relationship and common ground end. But seriously, wow. Your reply was almost entirely unreadable. I don't think even the "@midsouth.rr.com" is a good enough excuse for that. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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In a bold display of creativity, ploc wrote: out of those 4 I have heard debian spoken about well particularly a distrobution of debian called gentoo good stuff really depends on the line on how many it can handle the server itself depending on speed of ram I would imagin probably 32 easy bandwidth is really going to be your limiting agent find out what your bandwidth is limited to and get back to us Holy crap. http://img.penny-arcade.com/2002/20021011l.gif Additionally, Gentoo is not a distribution of Debian. It is a distribution of Linux, and I believe that's where the relationship and common ground end. But seriously, wow. Your reply was almost entirely unreadable. I don't think even the "@midsouth.rr.com" is a good enough excuse for that. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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1000gb bandwidth - Original Message - From: ploc To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] server hosting question. out of those 4 I have heard debian spoken about well particularly a distrobution of debian called gentoo good stuff really depends on the line on how many it can handle the server itself depending on speed of ram I would imagin probably 32 easy bandwidth is really going to be your limiting agent find out what your bandwidth is limited to and get back to us - Original Message - From: HyDrO To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:23 PM Subject: [hlds_linux] server hosting question. Hi im planning on renting a dedicated box but i would like to know what linux os below is best for running game servers? Fedora, Red Hat 9, Debian or FreeBSD and how many slots would this machine be able to handle? Intel P4 3.0GHz with Hyper-threading 80GB IDE hard drive 1GB RAM
Re: [hlds_linux] server hosting question.
out of those 4 I have heard debian spoken about well particularly a distrobution of debian called gentoo good stuff really depends on the line on how many it can handle the server itself depending on speed of ram I would imagin probably 32 easy bandwidth is really going to be your limiting agent find out what your bandwidth is limited to and get back to us - Original Message - From: HyDrO To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:23 PM Subject: [hlds_linux] server hosting question. Hi im planning on renting a dedicated box but i would like to know what linux os below is best for running game servers? Fedora, Red Hat 9, Debian or FreeBSD and how many slots would this machine be able to handle? Intel P4 3.0GHz with Hyper-threading 80GB IDE hard drive 1GB RAM
[hlds_linux] server hosting question.
Hi im planning on renting a dedicated box but i would like to know what linux os below is best for running game servers? Fedora, Red Hat 9, Debian or FreeBSD and how many slots would this machine be able to handle? Intel P4 3.0GHz with Hyper-threading 80GB IDE hard drive 1GB RAM
