RE: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback
Maybe alfred will lern to keep his mouth a little more shut... :D Now he is in a dead end. If the optimization is not possiblem, people will still ask about it, it it is possible, people will try to rush it in. :) On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 00:08, Rock wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We will be waiting and sorry ahead of time for opening the pandora's box of when when, what is it, come on release it, when, how much better, when when when. :) Alfred Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I have another potential optimization I am looking into. This one is hairier than the CS one but could provide even more of a gain. - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rock Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 6:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alfred, I remember you saying the update we got (cpu issues for CS is mainly what I'm talking about) were small and even in the steam news it's listed as Small CPU optimizations. Can we assume that the load issue is still being looked at or you guys still have some tricks up your sleves to try? Alfred Reynolds wrote: Any DoD changes won't be in the near term, the DoD team is busily working on a new release right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 5:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback I know this isn't a fair question for the most part, but any kind of ETA on the dod cpu optimizations? Kudos to the cs update by the way. I have a 22man 1.6 server with no mods running full at approximately 25-35% cpu. This is a redhat9 p4 2.8 ghz with 512mb ram. Kernal 2.4.20-20.9 stock compile. Our 20man dod server runs approximately 60-75% cpu though both don't seem to be experiencing lag. I would love to see the marked improvement in the dod binaries as we have seen in the cs ones. Thanks again! Patrick Quoting Alfred Reynolds : The DoD team is working on incorporating these CPU optimizations. - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jon Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 2:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback Does anyone know if DoD will also reap benefits from these optimizations? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wouter v/d Bergh Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 6:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback Well i got time to test everything after latest updates. CPU load on maps like de_dust etc went down from 50% to 80% tops, to 30% 60% tops. But maps like inferno and aztec keep spiking up to 99% causing lag, not the 300+ pings like before, but pings like 100. My config: AMD 1700+ 512MB ddr ram I host a 22 slots CS server with VAC/AMX/ADMINMOD (by the way, my server still crashes try-ing to load it insecure with amx on it (0.9.8a and 0.9.6j both let it crash) Greetings _ MSN Zoeken, voor duidelijke zoekresultaten! http://search.msn.nl ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux Rock of Rock's Hideout For help or support please visit the suport forums: http://www.rocks-hideout.com also support
RE: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback
Bring it on Alfred. Push it out ASAP, as long as we can roll back. Thank You, Chad McCan www.BVGamer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Meisinger Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 8:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback Do what you've got to man. For better Optimizations, I'm willing to take a hanky update as long as you all don't make us wait a week to fix it. =P Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 8:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback I have another potential optimization I am looking into. This one is hairier than the CS one but could provide even more of a gain. - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rock Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 6:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alfred, I remember you saying the update we got (cpu issues for CS is mainly what I'm talking about) were small and even in the steam news it's listed as Small CPU optimizations. Can we assume that the load issue is still being looked at or you guys still have some tricks up your sleves to try? Alfred Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any DoD changes won't be in the near term, the DoD team is busily working on a new release right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 5:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback I know this isn't a fair question for the most part, but any kind of ETA on the dod cpu optimizations? Kudos to the cs update by the way. I have a 22man 1.6 server with no mods running full at approximately 25-35% cpu. This is a redhat9 p4 2.8 ghz with 512mb ram. Kernal 2.4.20-20.9 stock compile. Our 20man dod server runs approximately 60-75% cpu though both don't seem to be experiencing lag. I would love to see the marked improvement in the dod binaries as we have seen in the cs ones. Thanks again! Patrick Quoting Alfred Reynolds : The DoD team is working on incorporating these CPU optimizations. - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jon Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 2:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback Does anyone know if DoD will also reap benefits from these optimizations? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wouter v/d Bergh Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 6:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback Well i got time to test everything after latest updates. CPU load on maps like de_dust etc went down from 50% to 80% tops, to 30% 60% tops. But maps like inferno and aztec keep spiking up to 99% causing lag, not the 300+ pings like before, but pings like 100. My config: AMD 1700+ 512MB ddr ram I host a 22 slots CS server with VAC/AMX/ADMINMOD (by the way, my server still crashes try-ing to load it insecure with amx on it (0.9.8a and 0.9.6j both let it crash) Greetings _ MSN Zoeken, voor duidelijke zoekresultaten! http://search.msn.nl ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux Rock of Rock's Hideout For help or support please visit
Re: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback
I have another potential optimization I am looking into. This one is hairier than the CS one but could provide even more of a gain. Good, good. Only seeing minor CS benefits from the latest update across our P4 platforms (mixture of kernels 2.2 to 2.6.1 and hz rates), not checked on AMD as yet. It is a gain though, any of which is worthwhile. Alfred Any timescale on this other optimisation? We are still seeing worse performance from Intel compared to AMD platforms, will any of these issues be addressed in these updates? Brett TAA|Gaming www.taa-gaming.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback
Alfred - before steam was released - the GE worked great on intel and amd - any idea what changed vs. the complexity and the functionality of Steam? :P Guess that could be a freaky question :P Seems though - its always the easy answer that you over look ... and then hit yourself in the head telling yourself you knew that!!! :P Britt PZGN - Original Message - From: Vapor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback I have another potential optimization I am looking into. This one is hairier than the CS one but could provide even more of a gain. Good, good. Only seeing minor CS benefits from the latest update across our P4 platforms (mixture of kernels 2.2 to 2.6.1 and hz rates), not checked on AMD as yet. It is a gain though, any of which is worthwhile. Alfred Any timescale on this other optimisation? We are still seeing worse performance from Intel compared to AMD platforms, will any of these issues be addressed in these updates? Brett TAA|Gaming www.taa-gaming.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback
Britt Priddy (PZGN) wrote: Alfred - before steam was released - the GE worked great on intel and amd - any idea what changed vs. the complexity and the functionality of Steam? :P Guess that could be a freaky question :P If I'm to speculate, there appears to have been a progressively higher requirement of available cashe for each new serverenginerelease for several year and 1.6 adding steam doesn't seem like an exception. If we look at the difference in chashing structure of a P4 512Ki L2 vs an AMD 512Ki L2 they seem similar at first glance, but there are in fact 2 big differences. An AMDs L1 cashe is HUGE, 128Ki (vs about 32Ki in a P4) and the AMDs L1 is in addition exclusive (info in L1 not repeated in L2) while the P4's isn't. Thus when you line them up get AMD 640Ki of which 20% is extra fast L1 cashe P4 512Ki of which 6-7*% is extra fast L1 cashe (*=an estimate) If we also factor in how much higher penalty the high-MHz deeply pipelineed P4 incours from a cashe miss I don't find it surprizing that P4 performs relativly badly. It's simply running out of cashed data and sittig around literally doing nothing while waiting for (comparativly) ultra slow main memory to send it something to do. I'm not sure exactly how the latest performance optimization affects cashrequirement by the engine, but if eg (in a multiserver / box enviroment) it makes some of the highly repeated computations again fit inside L1/L2 of an AMD but still not for a P4, I can see how AMDs could get a huge 25% CPUdrop while a P4 only a few modest %. Again, this is just a guess from someone that doesn't have all the facts. Someonelike Alfred could probably add a lot of more insight *nudge* and perhaps even elaborate on what this next optimization step he has in mind is about :) -- /Stefan Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback
I must say i am very pleased to hear you people are busy with this matter! Gives me faith back in steam and valve, cause i thought this would never going to happen! Yesterday i reported lag spikes on aztec and inferno. Some how on inferno this issnt the matter anymore, just aztec spikes, but i put off aztec and replaced it with aztec from 1.5, people love to play that map too, and it causes no lag at all! One thing i did notice after last update, and i dont know if i am the only one, sometimes when bomb explodes pings go sky-high in the server, this is only about 2/3 sec. It doesnt happen alot, but it happends sometimes.. Greetings From: Alfred Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:36:47 -0800 I have another potential optimization I am looking into. This one is hairier than the CS one but could provide even more of a gain. - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rock Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 6:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alfred, I remember you saying the update we got (cpu issues for CS is mainly what I'm talking about) were small and even in the steam news it's listed as Small CPU optimizations. Can we assume that the load issue is still being looked at or you guys still have some tricks up your sleves to try? Alfred Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any DoD changes won't be in the near term, the DoD team is busily working on a new release right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 5:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback I know this isn't a fair question for the most part, but any kind of ETA on the dod cpu optimizations? Kudos to the cs update by the way. I have a 22man 1.6 server with no mods running full at approximately 25-35% cpu. This is a redhat9 p4 2.8 ghz with 512mb ram. Kernal 2.4.20-20.9 stock compile. Our 20man dod server runs approximately 60-75% cpu though both don't seem to be experiencing lag. I would love to see the marked improvement in the dod binaries as we have seen in the cs ones. Thanks again! Patrick Quoting Alfred Reynolds : The DoD team is working on incorporating these CPU optimizations. - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jon Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 2:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback Does anyone know if DoD will also reap benefits from these optimizations? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wouter v/d Bergh Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 6:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds_linux] Latest update, CPU feedback Well i got time to test everything after latest updates. CPU load on maps like de_dust etc went down from 50% to 80% tops, to 30% 60% tops. But maps like inferno and aztec keep spiking up to 99% causing lag, not the 300+ pings like before, but pings like 100. My config: AMD 1700+ 512MB ddr ram I host a 22 slots CS server with VAC/AMX/ADMINMOD (by the way, my server still crashes try-ing to load it insecure with amx on it (0.9.8a and 0.9.6j both let it crash) Greetings _ MSN Zoeken, voor duidelijke zoekresultaten! http://search.msn.nl ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http
