Re: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming [OT]
Eric (Deacon) wrote: As far as Outlook and swiss cheese, I've never fallen prey to any...ANY .vbs or other types/instances of virii, worms, malicious code, etc. Perhaps I'm just a smart user that way, or perhaps I'm the luckiest guy in the world (I'll argue against that, heh), but... Most likely it's because you are a smart user. The biggest problem is that most users are not and the preconfig that comes with M$ software is even worse then a Redhat installation :D It's costing companies and everyday users a lot of agony and money every year, that M$ is so negligent in general with security :( You shouldn't have to hit preferences and shut everything down manually after eg installing simple a mailclienet, just so you won't get viruses etc. That is beyond many Win users capabilities (usually out of simple ignorance). -- /Stefan Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming [OT]
The biggest problem is that most users are not and the preconfig that comes with M$ software is even worse then a Redhat installation :D It's costing companies and everyday users a lot of agony and money every year, that M$ is so negligent in general with security :( You shouldn't have to hit preferences and shut everything down manually after eg installing simple a mailclienet, just so you won't get viruses etc. That is beyond many Win users capabilities (usually out of simple ignorance). Well, the most secure system is a system that's under lock and key and is not connected to any network of any sort, nor is it capable of receiving commands or displaying and/or communicating any data. Of course, that would be a pretty damned useless computer :) Basically, the goal of a very user-friendly, robust, flexible, easily customizable, and powerful app of the size and scope of Oultook2002 is a very lofty one. With usability and functionality comes risks, of course. As a *loose* analogy, consider the USA and the freedom/security issue. The two are mutually exclusive. You can't have 100% freedom and at the same time have 100% security. There's a balance that has to be struck. And yeah, they could do better. But honestly, they could do a whole helluvalot worse. Thankfully, with software we can get a lot closer to achieving the utopian idea of 100% freedom with 100% security than we can in the real world, but it's still neither easy nor common. If you had to worry about keeping a MASSIVE suite of software and operating systems completely secure on 90% of the computers in the world today... Just the mind-melting myriad of possible configurations alone would be enough to make me throw in the towel. But to keep at it 24/7, trying to make everything easy to use, powerful, AND completely secure... That's amazing. And impossible. Especially when you have every reject l33t h4x0r with a chip on his shoulder gunning for you, a gang of relentless hounds just trying to find ONE possible weakness in your armor... I guess I'm just not as quick to ridicule Microsoft because I know I certainly couldn't do any better myself, and I don't know of just a whole lot of people would *could*. Demanding absolute security on a scale of this magnitude... It's crazy. Penguinaphiles can barely contain their orgasmic thrustings as they stammer on about how Microsoft hasn't officially resolved the issues with SSL that they--and Mozzila (and who knows who else)--are were made aware of. It was common knowledge there for a few *weeks* before it was taken care of on the linux side of the fence, the side with all the advantages. I mean really, give 'em a break :) Where's the love, man?? Can't we all just get along?? :D -- Eric (the Deacon remix) PS Wow, that took a lot longer to write than it normally would. gg 5:30am :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming
Well, I have barely used OE, but i think you mean Outlook has more features for message filtering, not more robust. I routinely have to manually move HLDS messages into the folder I have set up for them because the filter doesn't work. Then there's something wrong with the filter. I've never had that problem. 100% of emails from this list head into my HLDS Linux folder. This is how I have my filter set up: http://www.firekite.com/store/filter.gif I'm interested to see really what the problem is. and as i said, it was s slow, and I am on a LAN. Mozilla get over 100 msgs in a few seconds. Outlook would take like 30 seconds or more to do the same thing. Don't know how to help you, there. I've never experienced that problem before... -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming
Adam 'Starblazer' Romberg wrote: I doubt you would want e-mail client advice from me, I use pine from commandline ffs... Isn't being insuccecptable from any .vbs viruses nice? :) And what would a .vbs virus do in Mozilla mail??? -- /Stefan Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming [OT]
Eric (Deacon) wrote: so tell me what some good clients are and why. i just switched from outlook to mozilla. Ouch...I've never heard one review or even one individual say anything good about mozilla's email client other than it sometimes works. Been working for me for more then 2 years now. As an added bonus I don't have to be afraid of getting a mailvirus and even worse, have it spead to everybody in my maillist. Wouldn't use a M$ mailclient unless someone payed me to do it. Most of their software looks mostly like swiss chease regarding security aspects. -- /Stefan Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming
Eric (Deacon) wrote: Then there's something wrong with the filter. I've never had that problem. 100% of emails from this list head into my HLDS Linux folder. This is how I have my filter set up: http://www.firekite.com/store/filter.gif I'm interested to see really what the problem is. Don't know how to help you, there. I've never experienced that problem before... -- Eric (the Deacon remix) http://quake2.telestream.com/lookout.jpg notice the two hlds messages in my inbox, one being from you :) -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming [OT]
Wouldn't use a M$ mailclient unless someone payed me to do it. Most of their software looks mostly like swiss chease regarding security aspects. Next you're going to tell me that an insecure linux box (RedHat, anyone?) isn't a hacker's playground... It's up to the system's administrator to lock down the OS and the apps regardless of OS or app choice. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, m0gely wrote: Eric (Deacon) wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, m0gely (apparantly) wrote (but eric snipped it): so tell me what some good clients are and why. i just switched from outlook to mozilla. Pine of course.. Ouch...I've never heard one review or even one individual say anything good about mozilla's email client other than it sometimes works. [snip] outlook became soo slow at retrieving my email. and the rules for filtering messages to certain folders *always* left some in my inbox that i had to move manually. Why retrieve e-mail when you can read it on the mail server?! john ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Brian A. Stumm wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Eric (Deacon) wrote: so far i have had no problems. it seams to be really fast, and has features to be very competetive with outlook interms of what i use. basically for pop3 email and a good address book. So when you say Outlook, you're really referring to Outlook Express, right? He was refering to buggy, insecure M$ software, whats the difference what the title is beyong that... :P There is a difference between them! LookOut express (free) has good handling of the filtering of email. LookOut (pay for) is crap at it. john (imho based on supporting both for a year) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Mad Scientist wrote: Eric (Deacon) writes: Not ALL Microsoft products are bad or evil. Some are poorly written hacks. Some are great. Of course M$ has some best-of-breed software. Anytime something better peeks over the horizon, M$ buys them up and shuts them down. That's how the Isn't that what media player 9 is supposed to do to real? john ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming
There is a difference between them! LookOut express (free) has good handling of the filtering of email. LookOut (pay for) is crap at it. Heh...when was the last time you used either of these products? When was the last time you tried to make up some supposedly clever bastardization of a linux software's name? Btw, for email I use Outlook2002 (of OfficeXP), and it's certainly not crap at it. Of course, the scope of Outlook2002 and OE are entirely different. But hey, why worry about the big differences when you can make stuff up on the spot and flame about it? Heh -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Re: Log-File Naming
Isn't that what media player 9 is supposed to do to real? MP9 is the first thing I've ever seen that makes me want RealPlayer more. RealPlayer sucks absolute ass. It's horrible as a standard and worse as an application. It takes over your computer whether you want it to or not, digs deep in your privacy, and then broadcasts what it finds back to the mothership. Real has caused nothing but problems in the last year or two... However, the EULA on MP9 makes me physically ill... -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
