RE: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
I also know how much I dislike it like when helpdesk staff give out my email address or email addresses of others in the NOC to users, who end up emailing me with problems that are not my department to answer. Hoo boy, man...I tell you what, I'm right with you on that one. There are times it seems that physical violence is the only resolution within reach :) -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 10:49, Rene Luckow wrote: I haven't tried about VAC, but I have written eric a couple of times, and git answers within a day... dunno with VAC though I'll agree to the extend that the normal cs(l)user has no idea what VAC is, and how it works, ppl still mail me to ask if I run the latest vac... on the other hand, I don't know how the could have done it, if they had announced a mail addy for ppl to write, they would have to hire a gazilion ppl to answer... however, if you really haven't cheated you are determined enough to write the company on your own... And thats exactly it, I know too little about VAC what it does and doesnt do, to answer user questions myself. I also know how much I dislike it like when helpdesk staff give out my email address or email addresses of others in the NOC to users, who end up emailing me with problems that are not my department to answer. I do not want to go giving people erics email address to mail, unless he states to us, this is what he wishes to happen. Hence why I have been, and still am, asking VALVe on this list, for the official contact address/name/website/whatever they want to hand out, for contacting them regarding any false positive issues people are and may continue to have. Also I am suggesting that the place this info on the cstrike website, and their own (In an easily findable place). If you are going to provide a service which has the ability to affect so many people, you have to support it, its that simple. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
On Wednesday 27 November 2002 22:12, Mike Guadagnino wrote: Hi there - Up till now I have banned players that VAC detects, no questions asked... as it is usually someone with an obviously moronic name and/or behavior. Recently a regular player and admin was detected and banned for 24 hours by VAC. Assuming of course he is the innocent guy I perceive him to be, how serious should I consider the ban? Are there known causes of false positives that we can check for? Also, is there a global blacklist associated with VAC? If so, what does it take to be listed there (ie: multiple violations)? Thanks! Mike You might wanna actually read this list, if you just joined go to the archive for this one... this is something being discussed a lot... -- Insert clever remark here ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
Unfortunately this is the ONLY thing that has not been discussed so far, forgive me if I disagree. Nobody said a WORD about possible causes for illegitimate ban, nobody STATED for how long bans last (ok, there was ONE person who said that, but we need confirmation) and there was NOTHING conclusive about it. Maybe a lot of topics mentioning VAC, but very little VAC-related. So far, those questions from Mike were the best addition to the discussion. Fresh, short and straight to the point practical questions. A good start. At 07:41 PM 11/27/2002, you wrote: On Wednesday 27 November 2002 22:12, Mike Guadagnino wrote: Hi there - Up till now I have banned players that VAC detects, no questions asked... as it is usually someone with an obviously moronic name and/or behavior. Recently a regular player and admin was detected and banned for 24 hours by VAC. Assuming of course he is the innocent guy I perceive him to be, how serious should I consider the ban? Are there known causes of false positives that we can check for? Also, is there a global blacklist associated with VAC? If so, what does it take to be listed there (ie: multiple violations)? Thanks! Mike You might wanna actually read this list, if you just joined go to the archive for this one... this is something being discussed a lot... -- Insert clever remark here ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:41:16PM +0100, Rene Luckow wrote: On Wednesday 27 November 2002 22:12, Mike Guadagnino wrote: Hi there - Up till now I have banned players that VAC detects, no questions asked... as it is usually someone with an obviously moronic name and/or behavior. Recently a regular player and admin was detected and banned for 24 hours by VAC. Assuming of course he is the innocent guy I perceive him to be, how serious should I consider the ban? Are there known causes of false positives that we can check for? Also, is there a global blacklist associated with VAC? If so, what does it take to be listed there (ie: multiple violations)? Thanks! Mike You might wanna actually read this list, if you just joined go to the archive for this one... this is something being discussed a lot... Doesn't mean it can't be discussed again =) Get him to remove and reinstall CS, that should fix it. He's got 24hrs to do something other than play the game. I'd treat a futher catch as highly suspect. -- James. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 12:18, James Clark wrote: Doesn't mean it can't be discussed again =) Get him to remove and reinstall CS, that should fix it. He's got 24hrs to do something other than play the game. This is the problem as I see it though. why should he have to stop playing for 24 hours because of something not his fault. Why should he have to waste his time reinstalling halflife because of something that isnt his problem. Why dont we have the ability to say Go to this site, enter your WONID and you will be able to check if you are banned. On the page it also has a support medium that VALVe can help you if you believe you have been falsely banned.They are very prompt in replying to you, and appreciate the feedback as this may be related to a VAC bug. Im all for VAC and global banning, but it HAS to be supported by those who impliment and enforce it. None of us can provide support for it, so it has to be VALVe. Doesnt the simple fact that remove and reinstall CS, that should fix it. is the answer ring alarm bells for anyone else here but me? I'd treat a futher catch as highly suspect. Or a possible error with the latest module and his individual equipment/OS/config/setup. -- James. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
Thank you. Before posting I read through the archives (several months of them!), at least as much as I could before concluding that even if there were discussions relating to my questions, it might be beneficial for a really good overview. Additionally, I think it would great to hear from those who have been doing this for a while how seriously the latest VAC detections are being taken... especially those have been doing this since it's inception. From what I understand, the global list applies a 24 hour ban. Do most of you simply abide by that for a single violation, then ban permanently for multiple? Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/27/02 2:41:16 PM On Wednesday 27 November 2002 22:12, Mike Guadagnino wrote: Hi there - Up till now I have banned players that VAC detects, no questions asked... as it is usually someone with an obviously moronic name and/or behavior. Recently a regular player and admin was detected and banned for 24 hours by VAC. Assuming of course he is the innocent guy I perceive him to be, how serious should I consider the ban? Are there known causes of false positives that we can check for? Also, is there a global blacklist associated with VAC? If so, what does it take to be listed there (ie: multiple violations)? Thanks! Mike You might wanna actually read this list, if you just joined go to the archive for this one... this is something being discussed a lot... -- Insert clever remark here ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
Mike Guadagnino wrote: Thank you. Before posting I read through the archives (several months of them!), Is there a way to search the archives? Rather than to just surf through them? A search feature would be just grand. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 12:35:45PM +1300, Jeremy Brooking wrote: On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 12:18, James Clark wrote: Doesn't mean it can't be discussed again =) Get him to remove and reinstall CS, that should fix it. He's got 24hrs to do something other than play the game. This is the problem as I see it though. why should he have to stop playing for 24 hours because of something not his fault. Why should he have to waste his time reinstalling halflife because of something that isnt his problem. Why dont we have the ability to say Go to this site, enter your WONID and you will be able to check if you are banned. On the page it also has a support medium that VALVe can help you if you believe you have been falsely banned.They are very prompt in replying to you, and appreciate the feedback as this may be related to a VAC bug. Im all for VAC and global banning, but it HAS to be supported by those who impliment and enforce it. None of us can provide support for it, so it has to be VALVe. Doesnt the simple fact that remove and reinstall CS, that should fix it. is the answer ring alarm bells for anyone else here but me? I'd treat a futher catch as highly suspect. Or a possible error with the latest module and his individual equipment/OS/config/setup. -- James. Even if one of my personal friends got banned by VAC while playing CS on my servers I would still recommend same course of action. Only after it happenned again would I start to stress about VAC and a possible False Postive. -- James. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
nobody STATED for how long bans last Yes. Eric did. (ok, there was ONE person who said that, but we need confirmation) and there was NOTHING conclusive about it Eric, IMO would be a trust worthy source... Maybe a lot of topics mentioning VAC, but very little VAC-related. If you haven't noticed everyone is whining about the need to find out more info. That is VAC related. -- James. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
You HAVE to be kidding... Everybody complaining about something is definitely NOT doing something about it. Except for pressure which does not seem do be working very well, since we haven't heard a word from VALVe, so far. But that's their natural position; Collect data from our feedback and work. Unfortunately for us this is REALLY the best way for Valve to deal with the development. I say that because I would certainly choose doing the same. Sad but true... At 09:27 PM 11/27/2002, you wrote: If you haven't noticed everyone is whining about the need to find out more info. That is VAC related. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 13:27, James Clark wrote: nobody STATED for how long bans last Yes. Eric did. A search of the archives brings up this dated Oct 8th We'll make sure that anyone who was falsely detected during this period isn't banned from secure servers for 24 hours. Thats the only reference to a 24 hour banning period i can find from Eric since the introduction of VAC. Not really what youd call an official statement of how long bans are applied for, and whether more VAC bans results in longer ban periods. If I have missed a post of him stating how long the bans apply for please direct me to it. (ok, there was ONE person who said that, but we need confirmation) and there was NOTHING conclusive about it Eric, IMO would be a trust worthy source... With out a doubt. Maybe a lot of topics mentioning VAC, but very little VAC-related. If you haven't noticed everyone is whining about the need to find out more info. That is VAC related. Ok on July the 17th Eric posted: We don't have all the details worked out yet. Obviously, we don't want to be banning legitimate players. If there's ever a problem, we'll deal with it as quickly as we can. and If a server is in secure mode, players who have been detected cheating will not be allowed in. If there are ever any problems with false positives, we'll always do our best to resolve the problems quickly and fairly. And thats great! Just want we wanted to hear but... some people appear to be having false positive issues, and we are sitting here, asking for the support we were told we could get, and where is it? A link? an email? something... please. The more infomation about what VAC bans, how long the bans list for, If multiple bans ends up in a perminant one, what to do (besides reinstall, reformat, wait) if you are banned, the more help we can provide users ourselves, the less work and complaints sent to VALVe, the more productive they can be... The better the anti-cheat system ends up being for everyone! Im not asking for how VAC catchs cheats, what cheats dont get caught... just the basics, the answers to the common everyday questions that get asked. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
Get him to remove and reinstall CS, that should fix it. He's got 24hrs to do something other than play the game. This is the problem as I see it though. why should he have to stop playing for 24 hours because of something not his fault. Why? Because the system is not perfect. The system will never be perfect, of course, but until it is, these rare anomalies are just part of the game. It's not that big a deal. Let's move on. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] VAC detections
I have to say, two of my admins were picked up by VAC yesterday. These are two people I know personally, and I know for a fact they would have nothing that youw be constituted as a cheat. Unfortunatley this also meant that for 24 hours, two of the people that patrol my servers, and look after clan wars were out of commission. This is an issue that needs to be addressed. -Original Message- From: Capriotti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2002 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VAC detections You HAVE to be kidding... Everybody complaining about something is definitely NOT doing something about it. Except for pressure which does not seem do be working very well, since we haven't heard a word from VALVe, so far. But that's their natural position; Collect data from our feedback and work. Unfortunately for us this is REALLY the best way for Valve to deal with the development. I say that because I would certainly choose doing the same. Sad but true... At 09:27 PM 11/27/2002, you wrote: If you haven't noticed everyone is whining about the need to find out more info. That is VAC related. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] VAC detections....
Good question. I've had 251 detections since the 8/28 beta, and I'm sure probably 200 of the cheat. Granted these aren't all unique detections, as some people tried to connect 6-8 times. Course, with the latest fix being the banning, I guess I won't have that problem anymore. In case anyone wants to compare: http://stats.clanlynx.org/cheaters.php -Original Message- From: Destroyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds_linux] VAC detections I am wondering if this sudden increase in vac detections is a result of the cd key switching detection from using multiple systems from behind a nat? In 5 days my server has logged 103 cheats. Several of these I know, lanned with, and have been longtime players. I know with %99.99 certainty they are not cheaters. I had one user who has hl installed under windows xp for 2 different users with 2 diff wonids. The second install got detected as being a cheater but the first still worked. But after looking at the latest detections it also looks like the first got detected later on as well. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
