Re: [hlds_linux] Ventrilo as a cheat?
Now that was an interesting post! "u cannot disable a 3rd party app running completely besides cs ." u know why? Because i'm thinking how to completely stop cheating (i mean the "real ones", like aim or wh). And it's almost impossible now, just because 3rd parties can be executed beside of CS:S. I will try it, but i think if a cheat runs the ds app, then it's parent app. will be the cheat app. Well... i'm just thinking-thinking :) u cannot disable a 3rd party app running completely besides cs . mp_forcechacecam 1 or what ever setting is was... Problem solved From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com To: Subject: [hlds_linux] Ventrilo as a cheat? Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:15:32 +0100 hi all, I read an idea on a forum that ventrilo should be disabled somehow on CS:S game servers. The reason was -and i think it's a right one- that ventrilo can be used as a cheat on public servers, or, if a spect. is enabled "just to see the war" it can be used on a war server too. This is because, ventrilo works even if the player is dead or in spect. so the cheater can report the opponents' move. Hard task to disable it, 1st, because it's a 3rd party software, and 2nd, ventrilo is not the only audio communication software (even MS MSN can be used to cheat like that). Any ideas, suggestions? My idea is to disable moving through the map if the player is in spect or dead. But it's not a nice move (on public srv), because dead moods can't do anything, just sit at their boxes seeing the last picture they saw before they died... Cheers, The Fool ps.: I know it's not just a linux-related issue, but a global one. Sry if you desire it's a spam-like mail ;) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Ventrilo as a cheat?
'Ghosting'. Gotcha ;) My english is not perfect. thx nfo ;) Well, i have no sleepless nights because of that. As i wrote, i saw it on a forum and it made me think on it a few minutes. And because i found no solution in that time, i took it up here for a plan :) In a bold display of creativity, The Fool wrote: Any ideas, suggestions? Most leagues embrace 3rd party apps both because they can't really stop their use and because it's a brilliant communications tool. On pub servers "ghosting", as it's often called, is not usually very cool, but if you catch people doing it, and you're really confident it's the case, then ban them or warn them or whatever. It's not a big enough deal to lose sleep over or anything. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Ventrilo as a cheat?
Well. Voicecomm. is forced on my public, but what if the guy mutes all the players? Anyway, you are probably right. If you tell not to do, they may stop doing it. well, you could force voice comm, and there'd be contention for the mic if you tried to use ventrillo unless you had more than one sound card. I don't think there's really much point in ventrillo with games that already have built-in voice comm, but try telling that to die-hard ventrillo users. It does indeed allow ghosting, but I don't think it's that big of a problem. At least not on our server. Even when I've seen people doing it they've stopped when asked. Usually something along the lines of "c'mon guys, it's just a pub server for fun, what's the point of what you're doing. Just play," is enough to get them to stop. Forcing chasecam doesn't really solve the problem completely either. You can still tell people where you were and who was there, etc, when you shouldn't be able to say anything at all. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Ventrilo as a cheat?
Hi, The use of Ventrilo/Teamspeak and others 3rd-party voice-comm makes Internet playing more like LAN playing. LAN speaking, when a player dies, he tells his mates where, why, how, and some insults. With the built-in voice-comm, it's not possible, where it is with Ventrilo :) It's not a cheat, it's to "enhance playing experience" ;-) And on public servers, when you come with 3-4 friends with Ventrilo, you get some fun that cannot be reproduced without voice-comm :] Finally, built-in voice-comm just sux :p cu -- grosnours http://www.GameOnline.be > well, you could force voice comm, and there'd be contention for the mic > if you tried to use ventrillo unless you had more than one sound card. > I don't think there's really much point in ventrillo with games that > already have built-in voice comm, but try telling that to > die-hard ventrillo users. It does indeed allow ghosting, but I don't > think it's that big of a problem. At least not on our server. Even when > I've seen people doing it they've stopped when asked. Usually something > along the lines of "c'mon guys, it's just a pub server for fun, what's > the point of what you're doing. Just play," is enough to get them to > stop. > > Forcing chasecam doesn't really solve the problem completely either. > You can still tell people where you were and who was there, etc, when > you shouldn't be able to say anything at all. > > > On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:57:28 +, wouter v/d Bergh > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> u cannot disable a 3rd party app running completely besides cs . >> >> mp_forcechacecam 1 or what ever setting is was... Problem solved > > -- > Clayton Macleod > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Ventrilo as a cheat?
In a bold display of creativity, The Fool wrote: Any ideas, suggestions? Most leagues embrace 3rd party apps both because they can't really stop their use and because it's a brilliant communications tool. On pub servers "ghosting", as it's often called, is not usually very cool, but if you catch people doing it, and you're really confident it's the case, then ban them or warn them or whatever. It's not a big enough deal to lose sleep over or anything. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Ventrilo as a cheat?
well, you could force voice comm, and there'd be contention for the mic if you tried to use ventrillo unless you had more than one sound card. I don't think there's really much point in ventrillo with games that already have built-in voice comm, but try telling that to die-hard ventrillo users. It does indeed allow ghosting, but I don't think it's that big of a problem. At least not on our server. Even when I've seen people doing it they've stopped when asked. Usually something along the lines of "c'mon guys, it's just a pub server for fun, what's the point of what you're doing. Just play," is enough to get them to stop. Forcing chasecam doesn't really solve the problem completely either. You can still tell people where you were and who was there, etc, when you shouldn't be able to say anything at all. On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:57:28 +, wouter v/d Bergh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > u cannot disable a 3rd party app running completely besides cs . > > mp_forcechacecam 1 or what ever setting is was... Problem solved -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Ventrilo as a cheat?
From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com To: Subject: [hlds_linux] Ventrilo as a cheat? Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:15:32 +0100 hi all, I read an idea on a forum that ventrilo should be disabled somehow on CS:S game servers. The reason was -and i think it's a right one- that ventrilo can be used as a cheat on public servers, or, if a spect. is enabled "just to see the war" it can be used on a war server too. This is because, ventrilo works even if the player is dead or in spect. so the cheater can report the opponents' move. Hard task to disable it, 1st, because it's a 3rd party software, and 2nd, ventrilo is not the only audio communication software (even MS MSN can be used to cheat like that). Any ideas, suggestions? My idea is to disable moving through the map if the player is in spect or dead. But it's not a nice move (on public srv), because dead moods can't do anything, just sit at their boxes seeing the last picture they saw before they died... Cheers, The Fool ps.: I know it's not just a linux-related issue, but a global one. Sry if you desire it's a spam-like mail ;) Genau, und auf LAN bekommt jeder ein Pflaster auf den Mund. :rolleyes: ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Ventrilo as a cheat?
u cannot disable a 3rd party app running completely besides cs . mp_forcechacecam 1 or what ever setting is was... Problem solved From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com To: Subject: [hlds_linux] Ventrilo as a cheat? Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:15:32 +0100 hi all, I read an idea on a forum that ventrilo should be disabled somehow on CS:S game servers. The reason was -and i think it's a right one- that ventrilo can be used as a cheat on public servers, or, if a spect. is enabled "just to see the war" it can be used on a war server too. This is because, ventrilo works even if the player is dead or in spect. so the cheater can report the opponents' move. Hard task to disable it, 1st, because it's a 3rd party software, and 2nd, ventrilo is not the only audio communication software (even MS MSN can be used to cheat like that). Any ideas, suggestions? My idea is to disable moving through the map if the player is in spect or dead. But it's not a nice move (on public srv), because dead moods can't do anything, just sit at their boxes seeing the last picture they saw before they died... Cheers, The Fool ps.: I know it's not just a linux-related issue, but a global one. Sry if you desire it's a spam-like mail ;) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
