SV: RE: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend?
NetBSD also has the capability to run Linux binaries (gotta supply libraries by setting up some embedded linux distro). Tried it out some, but no idea about how good its for very interactive tasks like hlds. /Patrik --- Guy Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: Humm... On a related subject... Solaris 10 claims to be able to run Linux binaries. Has anyone tried? I assume you would need x86 hardware and not a Sparc chip. Anyway I never recommend Windows for anything other than client stations. I don't like rebooting every day or 2. And Windows gets new hacks all the time. XP is great for playing games. However, there is currently a performance problem on many Linux systems. Guy } -Original Message- } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rene } Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:48 PM } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com } Subject: AW: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend? } } } Yes I know that, but where should I ask? } The Windows mailing list is not better. } } So please stop answering so stupid and give me a recommendation if you } have } tried both OS (Linux and Windows). } } I already have two servers running on linux but the development of CSS on } linux sucks. } And I have no experience how it will be running CSS on Windows. } } Thanks Rene } } } } -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- } Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] } [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Vlad } (e-Plutonia Inc.) } Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. August 2007 18:15 } An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com } Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend? } } Or me walk into a nightclub and convince everyone to stop drinking. } } On 8/1/07, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: } -- } [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] } Heh } } You are asking this question on the HLDS Linux list } } M I wonder what people will say?? hm } } For my next trick, watch me go to a NRA meeting, and convince them to } vote } for guns to actually be well regulated. :) } } On 8/2/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: } } Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. } -- } [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] } Hello everybody, } } } } what OS would you recommend for a CS Source Server? } } Windows or Linux and why? } } } } Thanks in advance. } } Rene } } } } -- } } } ___ } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, } please visit: } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux } } -- } } ___ } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, } please visit: } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux } } } } -- } Vlad Fadyeyev } e-Plutonia Inc. } } ___ } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, } please visit: } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux } } } ___ } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, } please visit: } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux __ Fly(g) från regnet - sök efter resor hos Yahoo! Shopping. Jämför pris på flygbiljetter och hotellrum här: http://shopping.yahoo.se/c-169901-resor-biljetter.html?partnerId=96914052 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: SV: RE: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend?
FreeBSD can handle gameservers quite well. I had runned hlds, srcds, q3, q4, bf-serie, ut, ut2k4, to name a few, during the past. This without any real problem and with quite good performance. The only problem for some engines are stability. But that might not be a FreeBSD specific problem, it might crash as much in linux. The only benefit for getting FreeBSD binaries are to get optimum performance on the platform. The Linux ABI is really good in FreeBSD and with the upcomming 7.x and the SoC it will be even better. I have CURRENT installed on a box and will check out hlds on that server when I have the time. (or rather take the time) Quite some years ago ( 99-00 ??? ), while hlds was still v1.1c. Our FreeBSD based server was considered one of the best online by many of the top swedish players at the time. Also back then I could run 4 servers wo pingbooster on a dual p3 550 and it outperformed other linux boxes when I runned only two and enabled pb. Dont know what I did in the OS, I have never got the same performance since and the configs are long gone due to a harddrive crash. Also a lot of things have changed within the engine since, so I might (probably) never get that performance again. What would be interested is to hear from Valve if they have even tried to compile server binaries for FreeBSD. If it worked and if it benchmarked as good as or better than Linux. If their code is written good enough, it should be just a matter of running make. But I doubt that this is the case. Now back to my vacation. Which includes drinks, wine, food and good company... /Bjorn On Sun, 5 Aug 2007, Patrik Arvhult wrote: NetBSD also has the capability to run Linux binaries (gotta supply libraries by setting up some embedded linux distro). Tried it out some, but no idea about how good its for very interactive tasks like hlds. /Patrik --- Guy Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: Humm... On a related subject... Solaris 10 claims to be able to run Linux binaries. Has anyone tried? I assume you would need x86 hardware and not a Sparc chip. Anyway I never recommend Windows for anything other than client stations. I don't like rebooting every day or 2. And Windows gets new hacks all the time. XP is great for playing games. However, there is currently a performance problem on many Linux systems. Guy } -Original Message- } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rene } Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:48 PM } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com } Subject: AW: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend? } } } Yes I know that, but where should I ask? } The Windows mailing list is not better. } } So please stop answering so stupid and give me a recommendation if you } have } tried both OS (Linux and Windows). } } I already have two servers running on linux but the development of CSS on } linux sucks. } And I have no experience how it will be running CSS on Windows. } } Thanks Rene } } } } -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- } Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] } [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Vlad } (e-Plutonia Inc.) } Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. August 2007 18:15 } An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com } Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend? } } Or me walk into a nightclub and convince everyone to stop drinking. } } On 8/1/07, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: } -- } [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] } Heh } } You are asking this question on the HLDS Linux list } } M I wonder what people will say?? hm } } For my next trick, watch me go to a NRA meeting, and convince them to } vote } for guns to actually be well regulated. :) } } On 8/2/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: } } Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. } -- } [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] } Hello everybody, } } } } what OS would you recommend for a CS Source Server? } } Windows or Linux and why? } } } } Thanks in advance. } } Rene } } } } -- } } } ___ } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, } please visit: } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux } } -- } } ___ } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, } please visit: } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux } } } } -- } Vlad Fadyeyev } e-Plutonia Inc. } } ___ } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, } please visit: } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend?
Humm... On a related subject... Solaris 10 claims to be able to run Linux binaries. Has anyone tried? I assume you would need x86 hardware and not a Sparc chip. Anyway I never recommend Windows for anything other than client stations. I don't like rebooting every day or 2. And Windows gets new hacks all the time. XP is great for playing games. However, there is currently a performance problem on many Linux systems. Guy } -Original Message- } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rene } Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:48 PM } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com } Subject: AW: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend? } } } Yes I know that, but where should I ask? } The Windows mailing list is not better. } } So please stop answering so stupid and give me a recommendation if you } have } tried both OS (Linux and Windows). } } I already have two servers running on linux but the development of CSS on } linux sucks. } And I have no experience how it will be running CSS on Windows. } } Thanks Rene } } } } -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- } Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] } [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Vlad } (e-Plutonia Inc.) } Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. August 2007 18:15 } An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com } Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend? } } Or me walk into a nightclub and convince everyone to stop drinking. } } On 8/1/07, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: } -- } [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] } Heh } } You are asking this question on the HLDS Linux list } } M I wonder what people will say?? hm } } For my next trick, watch me go to a NRA meeting, and convince them to } vote } for guns to actually be well regulated. :) } } On 8/2/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: } } Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. } -- } [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] } Hello everybody, } } } } what OS would you recommend for a CS Source Server? } } Windows or Linux and why? } } } } Thanks in advance. } } Rene } } } } -- } } } ___ } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, } please visit: } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux } } -- } } ___ } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, } please visit: } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux } } } } -- } Vlad Fadyeyev } e-Plutonia Inc. } } ___ } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, } please visit: } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux } } } ___ } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, } please visit: } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Heh You are asking this question on the HLDS Linux list M I wonder what people will say?? hm For my next trick, watch me go to a NRA meeting, and convince them to vote for guns to actually be well regulated. :) On 8/2/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello everybody, what OS would you recommend for a CS Source Server? Windows or Linux and why? Thanks in advance. Rene -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend?
Or me walk into a nightclub and convince everyone to stop drinking. On 8/1/07, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Heh You are asking this question on the HLDS Linux list M I wonder what people will say?? hm For my next trick, watch me go to a NRA meeting, and convince them to vote for guns to actually be well regulated. :) On 8/2/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello everybody, what OS would you recommend for a CS Source Server? Windows or Linux and why? Thanks in advance. Rene -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Vlad Fadyeyev e-Plutonia Inc. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend?
Or me stop drinking on the night Valve releases an update :) On 8/1/07, Vlad (e-Plutonia Inc.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or me walk into a nightclub and convince everyone to stop drinking. On 8/1/07, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Heh You are asking this question on the HLDS Linux list M I wonder what people will say?? hm For my next trick, watch me go to a NRA meeting, and convince them to vote for guns to actually be well regulated. :) On 8/2/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello everybody, what OS would you recommend for a CS Source Server? Windows or Linux and why? Thanks in advance. Rene -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Vlad Fadyeyev e-Plutonia Inc. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] rofl. On a serious note, I just made the switch to CentOS and I do notice that overall, the game server is much smoother and holds the tick better. However, there is still an issue with the linux srcds that causes a hiccup in the middle of rounds. As you can see from other people, it's somewhat serious. :P I'm worried for using it as a match server now =/ Jordan Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or me stop drinking on the night Valve releases an update :) On 8/1/07, Vlad (e-Plutonia Inc.) wrote: Or me walk into a nightclub and convince everyone to stop drinking. On 8/1/07, Whisper wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Heh You are asking this question on the HLDS Linux list M I wonder what people will say?? hm For my next trick, watch me go to a NRA meeting, and convince them to vote for guns to actually be well regulated. :) On 8/2/07, Rene wrote: Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello everybody, what OS would you recommend for a CS Source Server? Windows or Linux and why? Thanks in advance. Rene -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Vlad Fadyeyev e-Plutonia Inc. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend?
Ive used FreeBSD and Windows, I would recommend *nix hands down. Thanks, Jordan Jacobs FragnServers.com On 8/1/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes I know that, but where should I ask? The Windows mailing list is not better. So please stop answering so stupid and give me a recommendation if you have tried both OS (Linux and Windows). I already have two servers running on linux but the development of CSS on linux sucks. And I have no experience how it will be running CSS on Windows. Thanks Rene -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Vlad (e-Plutonia Inc.) Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. August 2007 18:15 An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend? Or me walk into a nightclub and convince everyone to stop drinking. On 8/1/07, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Heh You are asking this question on the HLDS Linux list M I wonder what people will say?? hm For my next trick, watch me go to a NRA meeting, and convince them to vote for guns to actually be well regulated. :) On 8/2/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello everybody, what OS would you recommend for a CS Source Server? Windows or Linux and why? Thanks in advance. Rene -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Vlad Fadyeyev e-Plutonia Inc. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend?
Yep Linux, but take some time getting it right. As I understand it kernel config and version is pretty vital to getting a good server going. Have fun :) Colin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Jacobs Sent: 01 August 2007 18:01 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend? Ive used FreeBSD and Windows, I would recommend *nix hands down. Thanks, Jordan Jacobs FragnServers.com On 8/1/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes I know that, but where should I ask? The Windows mailing list is not better. So please stop answering so stupid and give me a recommendation if you have tried both OS (Linux and Windows). I already have two servers running on linux but the development of CSS on linux sucks. And I have no experience how it will be running CSS on Windows. Thanks Rene -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Vlad (e-Plutonia Inc.) Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. August 2007 18:15 An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend? Or me walk into a nightclub and convince everyone to stop drinking. On 8/1/07, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Heh You are asking this question on the HLDS Linux list M I wonder what people will say?? hm For my next trick, watch me go to a NRA meeting, and convince them to vote for guns to actually be well regulated. :) On 8/2/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello everybody, what OS would you recommend for a CS Source Server? Windows or Linux and why? Thanks in advance. Rene -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Vlad Fadyeyev e-Plutonia Inc. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend?
There are so many things you can do with Linux that either you can't do with Windows, or you have to pay an arm and a leg for professional software to get it done. Linux scripting together with cron allows you to fully automate so many things, simply and cleanly. Linux shell scripting is much more powerful and flexible than the equivalent batch scripting in Windows. With Linux you have the power to know exactly what is running on your server, and it is pretty simple to trim off the fat and run only exactly what you need. With Windows that is either difficult, or impossible, especially when it comes to os components (try uninstalling IE or Outlook Express...). My experience with Windows and Linux is with HLDS. When I switched to Linux, I was able to more than double my sv_maxupdaterate. The only reason I can guess for this is that Windows is attaching some kind of bulky header to each packet, and if this is the case, then the same performance improvement should apply to SRCDS as well. I run servers on a home cable connection, so I am much more concerned with bandwidth usage than a professional server operator might be, but I would still think that even a professional server operator would find lower bandwidth usage a good thing. Drek Colin Silcock wrote: Yep Linux, but take some time getting it right. As I understand it kernel config and version is pretty vital to getting a good server going. Have fun :) Colin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Jacobs Sent: 01 August 2007 18:01 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend? Ive used FreeBSD and Windows, I would recommend *nix hands down. Thanks, Jordan Jacobs FragnServers.com On 8/1/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes I know that, but where should I ask? The Windows mailing list is not better. So please stop answering so stupid and give me a recommendation if you have tried both OS (Linux and Windows). I already have two servers running on linux but the development of CSS on linux sucks. And I have no experience how it will be running CSS on Windows. Thanks Rene -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Vlad (e-Plutonia Inc.) Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. August 2007 18:15 An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend? Or me walk into a nightclub and convince everyone to stop drinking. On 8/1/07, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Heh You are asking this question on the HLDS Linux list M I wonder what people will say?? hm For my next trick, watch me go to a NRA meeting, and convince them to vote for guns to actually be well regulated. :) On 8/2/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello everybody, what OS would you recommend for a CS Source Server? Windows or Linux and why? Thanks in advance. Rene -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Vlad Fadyeyev e-Plutonia Inc. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend?
I run a windows server (SactoBox) and I have to say that it doesn't require a lot of technical expertise to run it or keep it going though there's pretty much no way to smoothly automate anything. I have some startup batch files and a wait program to keeping everything running, some regedit's to auto-login, and it works ok, but in no way is it elegant. If you spend some money on fire-daemon or use OGSWatcher you can get it automated but there are downsides to that too. I have a pocket full of windows certifications and it still took a while to get it tuned--not that you need a cert. to do it--but that it takes a while to get it right given your server configuration and connection properties. On Windows, automatic updates are a pain and I have to keep some services disabled and re-enable them when running updates (which you had better do frequently on a Windows box) and the antivirus can be problematic as well for the same reasons. There's also false positives on the WGA if you try to turn off too many windows services (in regards to optimizing resources/performance) and you have to let Big-Brother watch a little and decide if you can keep running windows or not. I started out on windows, as it's my area of expertise, but I did consider using Linux (mainly because it's free) but, to be honest, I wasn't feeling up to the learning curve and just wanted to get my server running. Given all the hassles and limitations, primarily with getting it to run without intervention, I'd probably try Linux if I had it to do over again. I'd recommend using windows if you're more on the novice end of the novice-expert continuum AND you're main interest is in playing on your server AND you're not much interested in digging in to os configuration stuff. You'll find a lot of complete walkthroughs on the windows side and people that want to try and help. Given my novice in Linux (I've only worked with configuring some Linux-based firewalls) my experience has been that there aren't many walkthroughs and you'll have to do a lot more learning-per-task than you would under windows. I've also experienced that linux help tends to be more of the go there, read that, figure it out, come back, and post your next question and it can be a little more challenging to make progress. There are a lot of choices of Linux distros that will have to be weighed and there have been some outstanding Linux performance issues with source that you'd have to consider as well. (Can they get it fixed? When?) As you're at the beginning, I think you'd probably have more fun getting it working under Linux but it will be more work/learning. Server performance probably won't be too different given identical hardware but I haven't seen any direct comparison here to confirm that. (I would really like that info if someone can point me to it. Also processor cache level impact to performance in source if it's out there) Have fun and good luck!!! Rick (SactoBox.com) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rene Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:48 AM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: AW: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend? Yes I know that, but where should I ask? The Windows mailing list is not better. So please stop answering so stupid and give me a recommendation if you have tried both OS (Linux and Windows). I already have two servers running on linux but the development of CSS on linux sucks. And I have no experience how it will be running CSS on Windows. Thanks Rene -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Vlad (e-Plutonia Inc.) Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. August 2007 18:15 An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend? Or me walk into a nightclub and convince everyone to stop drinking. On 8/1/07, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Heh You are asking this question on the HLDS Linux list M I wonder what people will say?? hm For my next trick, watch me go to a NRA meeting, and convince them to vote for guns to actually be well regulated. :) On 8/2/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello everybody, what OS would you recommend for a CS Source Server? Windows or Linux and why? Thanks in advance. Rene -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Vlad Fadyeyev e-Plutonia Inc
Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend?
plz ask this in the steam forums not here. thanks. Rene schrieb: what OS would you recommend for a CS Source Server? Windows or Linux and why? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend?
When migrating 100s of servers, mods are not your friend. Other then that, if you have linux experience, you will have no problems. Thanks, Jordan Jacobs Fragnservers.com On 8/1/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but in the steam forum are so many kids who don't know what they do. I think the mailing list here is a better place to ask this question. Don't think I am a noob. I'm working with linux server since 7 years now. And for more than 1,5 years I have 2 CSS servers under linux. I only would like to know what experiences you have made when switching between linux and windows as OS. Thanks Rene -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von karumba Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. August 2007 23:15 An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend? plz ask this in the steam forums not here. thanks. Rene schrieb: what OS would you recommend for a CS Source Server? Windows or Linux and why? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend?
[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] IMHO you would be better off doing a scratch install on the windows machines along with the mods you want then dragging maps and etc in. I have both a win and linux box. I find the windows version easier to manage at times. Just make sure you back up your admins list. Crazy_One Jordan Jacobs wrote: When migrating 100s of servers, mods are not your friend. Other then that, if you have linux experience, you will have no problems. Thanks, Jordan Jacobs Fragnservers.com On 8/1/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED][1] wrote: Sorry, but in the steam forum are so many kids who don't know what they do. I think the mailing list here is a better place to ask this question. Don't think I am a noob. I'm working with linux server since 7 years now. And for more than 1,5 years I have 2 CSS servers under linux. I only would like to know what experiences you have made when switching between linux and windows as OS. Thanks Rene -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von karumba Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. August 2007 23:15 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend? plz ask this in the steam forums not here. thanks. Rene schrieb: what OS would you recommend for a CS Source Server? Windows or Linux and why? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[5] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[6] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[7] ===References:=== 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. mailto:hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com 5. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux 6. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux 7. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] What would you recommend?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Ok, on a more serious note 1. Linux is only good to you if you have absolute 100% control over the box the Operating System is running on. If you have to rely on somebody else, you are pretty much stuffed. That is to say, you won't be playing with Kernel timer resolutions or Kernel versions or different distros for that matter, unless you have this level of countrol, and all the advice that many people will offer to you on how to optimise Linux for SRCDS will be wasted on you. 2. Unless you are very familiar with Linux, you are going to be in a bit of trouble compared to Windows. That is to say, Windows is a lot easier to setup tweak initially. If you are familiar with Linux, then the difference is negligable. 3. For whatever reason, SRCDS seems to run with a lot less issues under Windows than it does under Linux. This mailing list is a testament to that fact. 4. It doesn't matter what OS you use, neither Linux nor Windows is going to magically wring another 50% extra cpu out of your hardware. Either you have good enough hardware to run SRCDS at the level you expect, or you do not. The choice of OS will not make any significant difference, and any negative perceived performance differences are more likely down to the experince and skill of the server operator rather than any inherent difference in the Operating Systems. So in the end, Windows will cost you up front in dollars, but just about any idiot can set it up to run SRCDS well, it is not hard. Linux will cost you nothing up front, but MAY cost you a lot in time and effort if you are not experienced in its setup use. That is pretty much your choices. P.S. I am not trying to scare you off Linux if you are prepared to put the time and effort into learning how to set it up and use it. It would be a commercially useful skill to have if you work in IT, so it is not a waste of time for people who want to have this sort of career. On 8/2/07, Rene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello everybody, what OS would you recommend for a CS Source Server? Windows or Linux and why? Thanks in advance. Rene -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
