Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
Brett Fernicola wrote: I never once claimed to have 0% cpu ususage. You guys are truely dumb and try so hard to find fault in my posts. I was trying to illustrate the fps of my server not my cpu usuage which always shows 0% with hlsw you dumb noobs, this is also why I included a screen shot of top. I wasnt even going to respond to your dumb statements but your just pissing me off too much. [ ] The word netiquette is something I know of. And your statements about 'You guys have to much friggin hardware and not enough linux expierence' doesn't explain at all, why on the same machine are runngin 5x16slot CS1.5 without a glitch but 2x12 CS1.6 have a normal load of 0.6 and spikes of 1.2, laggs and so on. Befor calling somebody dump and of not enough linux experience, you should first explain that friggin behaviour. We tried all we knew and read of, but nothing did really help. Just replacing the cpu with a 512 L2-cache core does help. And therefor I call 1.6 bad software, as a new version bringing no new enhancements serversides is x2-x5 more CPU hungry on the same hardware. It is a fucking _update_ and no new game! An update implified to me a enhancement and no step back. If you call yourself so 'linux experienced' than you can surly tell me how to get 2 CS1.6 server with 12 slots running lagfree on a XP2000+ when full. At this time 6 different people with deep linux and hardware knowledge tried there fortune but nobody solved it. Only a Barton core solved it easily and that's not ok to me. Valve, do someting! Frank ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
why exactly are you on this list Brett? You clearly know more than anybody else and can't engage in a conversation without abusing or patronising people, so what benefit are you getting for yourself, or offering others? This list has degenerated so severely. I never thought I'd see the day when it was the win32 list that was the mature and calm one. /me unsubs -- Nathan Woodcock System Administrator (Online Gaming) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.game.net/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Brett Fernicola > Sent: 12 November 2003 14:49 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > > > I never once claimed to have 0% cpu ususage. You guys are > truely dumb and > try so hard to find fault in my posts. > > I was trying to illustrate the fps of my server not my cpu > usuage which > always shows 0% with hlsw you dumb noobs, this is also why I > included a > screen shot of top. I wasnt even going to respond to your > dumb statements > but your just pissing me off too much. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Drew Broadley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:41 AM > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > > > > I was mocking him, I NEVER believed it was real. > > God, is it idiot day on this mailling list ? > > > > You two should start a family. > > > > - Drew > > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kama > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:13 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my > HL Servers > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, if he is on a FreeBSD system. CPU-usage will never > > > show.. Or he have only turned it off... > > > > > > I think you are the fool, that believes that he believes that > > > the CPU-usage is 0. > > > > > > /Bjorn > > > > > > On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Drew Broadley wrote: > > > > > > > So you believe a 'stats' command output, that outputs > you doing 12 > > > > players and using 0% CPU. > > > > > > > > I suppose you believe the Ping Times when you +showscores > > > is true too > > > > ? > > > > > > > > They should name a fish after you. > > > > > > > > - Drew > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf Of Brett > > > > > Fernicola > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:31 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my > > > HL Servers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19:29:25 CPU In Out Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > > > > 0.00 28.03 34.742564 674 936.33 12 > > > > > > > > > > Cant hold me down. My server can hold up to 32 players no > > > problem. > > > > > However I actually play on my server and dislike CS > when over 14 > > > > > people are playing. It gets to much like an Unreal advent > > > after 14 > > > > > players. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > > From: "Simon Garner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:58 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my > > > HL Servers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:32 AM NZT, > > > > > > Brett Fernicola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 13:08:29 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > > > > > > 0.00 0.00 0.002183 436 943.40 0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 13:09:07 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > > > > > >
Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
That's what I've been thinking, since the P4 has it's FPU rather castrated anything not optimised with SSE2 optimisations, i.e. the hlds_l, will give you a massive hit on the processor. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Drew, I have had the same problems running more than 2 or 3 hlds serveres on Intel CPU?s. I have testet following HArdware/Software. Intel Server board. Intel Pentium 4. 2.8(exeon) Intel Server NIC 10/100 Kingston 1GB DDR 2700 mem. Raid ide133 7200 rpms With the old cs 1.3 or erlier there was no problem running 6 x 12 slots with adminmod,metamod,statsme and other plugins like spawn protection, restrictions. Today with steam cs 1.6 i can only run 4 serveres and its with out pingboost 1,2,3 and its with out 1000mhz linux kernl. All i get out off steam cs 1.6 on the linux server side with the intel binarys are 4 x 12 slots without pingboost 1,2,3 is a hlds steam server with constant 50 fps server side and a higher ping than the old cs 1.3, 1.4, 1.5 versions.. but the ping are stabel and the server are bug free if your ask some high aimers. But the CPU usages are way to high, i cant even fit a extra test server in there are not in use. This set up is using debian, i have testet, suse,redhat,win2k and found out that Debian are running best, its use less cpu usages and drivers than suse and rh. I have another server 100% same hardware speecs. This is where its beginng to get fun: Intel Server board. Intel Pentium 4. 2.8(exeon) Intel Server NIC 10/100 Kingston 1GB DDR 2700 mem. Raid ide133 7200 rpms Debian and Redhat 9.0 testet on this system with 1000mhz kernl update. Now i can only run 2 serveres and i use like 60-70% cpu usages. but i get 700-1000 fps server side and the ping are 20-30(10-20 without pingboost 1) lower than the non 1000mhz kernl. and when i test with a extra servere on the system all servers goes crazy, all pings are spiking but and no its not the server setup. i can follow the respons time on the nic and there are no problem. As i can see the intel binaries from valve need a p4/p4(exeon)/p4 dual optimise ASAP. This is the most wierd part, i can run the same amount of servers on a amd 2.4 1gb desktop board form a noname manufacture and a ide 66 hdd 7200 rpms. The Amd computer is a old desktop with a amd 2.4ghz 1gb ram, desktop motherboard, ide66 7200 rpms, Debian and redhat. and i get less cpu usages then on the 1000mhz linux kernl intel server installed system even that the amd system also use 1000mhz kernl. I cant say i higher, VALVE NEEDS TO OPTIMISE THE Intel Binaries both for Dual/Quad installations and the Pentium 4 cpu class and the Pentium Exeon Class. Best Regards Chris -- Original Message -- From: "Drew Broadley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:41:48 +1300 I was mocking him, I NEVER believed it was real. God, is it idiot day on this mailling list ? You two should start a family. - Drew -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of kama Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers Well, if he is on a FreeBSD system. CPU-usag will never show.. Or he have only turned it off... I think you are the fool, that believes that he believes that the CPU-usage is 0. /Bjorn On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Drew Broadley wrote: So you believe a 'stats' command outp t, that outputs you doing 12 players and using 0% CPU. I suppose you believe the Ping Times when you +showscores is true too ? They should name a fish after you. - Drew -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Fernicola Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj ct: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers 19:29:25 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers 0.00 28.03 34.742564 674 936.33 12 Cant hold me down. My server an hold up to 32 players no problem. However I actually play on my server and dislike CS when over 14 people are playing. It gets to much like an Unreal advent after 14 players. - Original Message - From: "Simon Garner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers On Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:32 AM NZT, Brett Fernicola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 13:08:29 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers 0.00 0.00 0.00 2183 436 943.40 0 13:09:07 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers 0.00 0.00 0.002184 436 827.13 0 Your server is empty... -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edi
RE: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
Hi Drew, I have had the same problems running more than 2 or 3 hlds serveres on Intel CPU?s. I have testet following HArdware/Software. Intel Server board. Intel Pentium 4. 2.8(exeon) Intel Server NIC 10/100 Kingston 1GB DDR 2700 mem. Raid ide133 7200 rpms With the old cs 1.3 or erlier there was no problem running 6 x 12 slots with adminmod,metamod,statsme and other plugins like spawn protection, restrictions. Today with steam cs 1.6 i can only run 4 serveres and its with out pingboost 1,2,3 and its with out 1000mhz linux kernl. All i get out off steam cs 1.6 on the linux server side with the intel binarys are 4 x 12 slots without pingboost 1,2,3 is a hlds steam server with constant 50 fps server side and a higher ping than the old cs 1.3, 1.4, 1.5 versions.. but the ping are stabel and the server are bug free if your ask some high aimers. But the CPU usages are way to high, i cant even fit a extra test server in there are not in use. This set up is using debian, i have testet, suse,redhat,win2k and found out that Debian are running best, its use less cpu usages and drivers than suse and rh. I have another server 100% same hardware speecs. This is where its beginng to get fun: Intel Server board. Intel Pentium 4. 2.8(exeon) Intel Server NIC 10/100 Kingston 1GB DDR 2700 mem. Raid ide133 7200 rpms Debian and Redhat 9.0 testet on this system with 1000mhz kernl update. Now i can only run 2 serveres and i use like 60-70% cpu usages. but i get 700-1000 fps server side and the ping are 20-30(10-20 without pingboost 1) lower than the non 1000mhz kernl. and when i test with a extra servere on the system all servers goes crazy, all pings are spiking but and no its not the server setup. i can follow the respons time on the nic and there are no problem. As i can see the intel binaries from valve need a p4/p4(exeon)/p4 dual optimise ASAP. This is the most wierd part, i can run the same amount of servers on a amd 2.4 1gb desktop board form a noname manufacture and a ide 66 hdd 7200 rpms. The Amd computer is a old desktop with a amd 2.4ghz 1gb ram, desktop motherboard, ide66 7200 rpms, Debian and redhat. and i get less cpu usages then on the 1000mhz linux kernl intel server installed system even that the amd system also use 1000mhz kernl. I cant say i higher, VALVE NEEDS TO OPTIMISE THE Intel Binaries both for Dual/Quad installations and the Pentium 4 cpu class and the Pentium Exeon Class. Best Regards Chris >-- Original Message -- >From: "Drew Broadley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:41:48 +1300 > > >I was mocking him, I NEVER believed it was real. God, is it idiot day on this mailling list ? You two should start a family. - Drew > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of kama > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:13 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > > > > Well, if he is on a FreeBSD system. CPU-usag > will never > show.. Or he have only turned it off... > > I think you are the fool, that believes that he believes that > the CPU-usage is 0. > > /Bjorn > > On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Drew Broadley wrote: > > > So you believe a 'stats' command outp >t, that outputs you doing 12 > > players and using 0% CPU. > > > > I suppose you believe the Ping Times when you +showscores > is true too > > ? > > > > They should name a fish after you. > > > > - Drew > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Brett > > > Fernicola > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:31 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subj >ct: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my > HL Servers > > > > > > > > > 19:29:25 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > > 0.00 28.03 34.742564 674 936.33 12 > > > > > > Cant hold me down. My server >an hold up to 32 players no > problem. > > > However I actually play on my server and dislike CS when over 14 > > > people are playing. It gets to much like an Unreal advent > after 14 > > > players. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - >Original Message - > > > From: "Simon Garner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shut
RE: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
I was mocking him, I NEVER believed it was real. God, is it idiot day on this mailling list ? You two should start a family. - Drew > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kama > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:13 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > > > > Well, if he is on a FreeBSD system. CPU-usage will never > show.. Or he have only turned it off... > > I think you are the fool, that believes that he believes that > the CPU-usage is 0. > > /Bjorn > > On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Drew Broadley wrote: > > > So you believe a 'stats' command output, that outputs you doing 12 > > players and using 0% CPU. > > > > I suppose you believe the Ping Times when you +showscores > is true too > > ? > > > > They should name a fish after you. > > > > - Drew > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Brett > > > Fernicola > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:31 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my > HL Servers > > > > > > > > > 19:29:25 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > > 0.00 28.03 34.742564 674 936.33 12 > > > > > > Cant hold me down. My server can hold up to 32 players no > problem. > > > However I actually play on my server and dislike CS when over 14 > > > people are playing. It gets to much like an Unreal advent > after 14 > > > players. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Simon Garner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my > HL Servers > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:32 AM NZT, > > > > Brett Fernicola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 13:08:29 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > > > > 0.00 0.00 0.002183 436 943.40 0 > > > > > > > > > > 13:09:07 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > > > > 0.00 0.00 0.002184 436 827.13 0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your server is empty... > > > > > > > > -Simon > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > > > list archives, > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > -- > > I have no thoughts. None whatsoever. They don't pay me to think. > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
Well, if he is on a FreeBSD system. CPU-usage will never show.. Or he have only turned it off... I think you are the fool, that believes that he believes that the CPU-usage is 0. /Bjorn On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Drew Broadley wrote: > So you believe a 'stats' command output, that outputs you doing 12 > players and using 0% CPU. > > I suppose you believe the Ping Times when you +showscores is true too ? > > They should name a fish after you. > > - Drew > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Brett Fernicola > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:31 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > > > > > > 19:29:25 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > 0.00 28.03 34.742564 674 936.33 12 > > > > Cant hold me down. My server can hold up to 32 players no > > problem. However I actually play on my server and dislike CS > > when over 14 people are playing. It gets to much like an > > Unreal advent after 14 players. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Simon Garner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:32 AM NZT, > > > Brett Fernicola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > 13:08:29 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > > > 0.00 0.00 0.002183 436 943.40 0 > > > > > > > > 13:09:07 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > > > 0.00 0.00 0.002184 436 827.13 0 > > > > > > > > > > Your server is empty... > > > > > > -Simon > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > > list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- I have no thoughts. None whatsoever. They don't pay me to think. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
Naw, no ping boost plugins, just -pingboost 2 and a high HZ kernel (2.6) Here is mine: Its a Dual AMD 2600+ using Red Hat and the 2.6 test CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers 13.00 33.18 46.27 102 400 956.02 12 Ive been really happy with the 2.6 kernel :) 21:51:01 up 2 days, 19:04, 3 users, load average: 0.52, 0.51, 0.46 113 processes: 112 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU0 states: 0.0% user 4.0% system0.0% nice 0.0% iowait 95.0% idle CPU1 states: 24.0% user 2.0% system0.0% nice 0.0% iowait 84.0% idle Mem: 1034436k av, 963460k used, 70976k free, 0k shrd, 135208k buff 603644k active, 181960k inactive Swap: 1534168k av, 280k used, 1533888k free 287092k cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND 4956 XX25 0 216M 206M 9772 S13.3 20.4 56:57 1 hlds_amd Joe > Are you doing this from console or from rcon ? > > what are you doing to get 900+ FPS? Using some plugin? That will for > sure > throw your real stats off. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Brett Fernicola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:31 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > > >> 19:29:25 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers >> 0.00 28.03 34.742564 674 936.33 12 >> >> Cant hold me down. My server can hold up to 32 players no problem. > However >> I actually play on my server and dislike CS when over 14 people are > playing. >> It gets to much like an Unreal advent after 14 players. >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Simon Garner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers >> >> >> > On Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:32 AM NZT, >> > Brett Fernicola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > 13:08:29 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers >> > > 0.00 0.00 0.002183 436 943.40 0 >> > > >> > > 13:09:07 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers >> > > 0.00 0.00 0.002184 436 827.13 0 >> > > >> > >> > Your server is empty... >> > >> > -Simon >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > >> >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
Are you doing this from console or from rcon ? what are you doing to get 900+ FPS? Using some plugin? That will for sure throw your real stats off. - Original Message - From: "Brett Fernicola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > 19:29:25 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > 0.00 28.03 34.742564 674 936.33 12 > > Cant hold me down. My server can hold up to 32 players no problem. However > I actually play on my server and dislike CS when over 14 people are playing. > It gets to much like an Unreal advent after 14 players. > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Simon Garner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > > > > On Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:32 AM NZT, > > Brett Fernicola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > 13:08:29 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > > 0.00 0.00 0.002183 436 943.40 0 > > > > > > 13:09:07 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > > 0.00 0.00 0.002184 436 827.13 0 > > > > > > > Your server is empty... > > > > -Simon > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
post this servers IP - lets fill it up and see what it can really do instead of all the talk. - Original Message - From: "Brett Fernicola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > 19:29:25 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > 0.00 28.03 34.742564 674 936.33 12 > > Cant hold me down. My server can hold up to 32 players no problem. However > I actually play on my server and dislike CS when over 14 people are playing. > It gets to much like an Unreal advent after 14 players. > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Simon Garner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > > > > On Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:32 AM NZT, > > Brett Fernicola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > 13:08:29 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > > 0.00 0.00 0.002183 436 943.40 0 > > > > > > 13:09:07 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > > 0.00 0.00 0.002184 436 827.13 0 > > > > > > > Your server is empty... > > > > -Simon > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
Everyone take note of your L2 Cache on your CPU - I'm willing to bet 90% of the people with 512k L2 cache do not have these problems - anything below this - yes - you'll see choke / gag / puke... I've tested it on 128k / 256k and 512k... 256k is reasonable - but still not 100% vs a CPU with 512k cache - perferably the AMD family... I was pro Intel - until I tried an AMD 2800+ and it blew me away - the difference was like night and day... Could also be the archt. that valve uses since they do code under AMD CPU's... Not sure what to do about the other CPUs we have that are below 256k - I guess just rid them as we can and replace. Pingboost and all that doesn't help much - but on 512k L2 - boom - check it out. This is all on a Basic red hat 8 install - no xwin/gui - just what is needed to run the server - thats it. very minimal install. - Original Message - From: "Drew Broadley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > Check your previous stats output, It shows 0% CPU usage for 12 players. > > > > > 19:29:25 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > > > 0.00 28.03 34.742564 674 936.33 12 > > Also > > > Just connect to my server before you run your mouth. > > ... think before you post, because I'm obviously not in your reigon so > I will ping highly with loss/choke and will get a bad impression of your > "over all happy" server. > > That last part of that comment is rich coming from you :) > > - Drew > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Brett Fernicola > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:58 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > > > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > -- > > Wtf you talking about make some sense. > > > > Here is a screen shot of my hlsw showing 9xx fps low pings > > and over all happy server. Just connect to my server before > > you run your mouth. This is also only on a dsl connection. > > > > 20:59:55 up 17 days, 8:35, 2 users, load average: 0.40, > > 0.22, 0.12 27 processes: 24 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped > > CPU states: 23.0% user 0.2% system 0.0% nice 0.0% > > iowait 76.8% idle > > Mem: 1033732k av, 405892k used, 627840k free, 0k > > shrd, 114312k > > buff > >187752k active, 132248k inactive > > Swap: 1052216k av, 0k used, 1052216k free > >121424k > > cached > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Drew Broadley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:40 PM > > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > > > > > > > So you believe a 'stats' command output, that outputs you doing 12 > > > players and using 0% CPU. > > > > > > I suppose you believe the Ping Times when you +showscores > > is true too > > > ? > > > > > > They should name a fish after you. > > > > > > - Drew > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Brett > > > > Fernicola > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:31 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my > > HL Servers > > > > > > > > > > > > 19:29:25 CPU InOut Uptime Users FPSPlayers > > > > 0.00 28.03 34.742564 674 936.33 12 > > > > > > > > Cant hold me down. My server can hold up to 32 players no > > problem. > > > > However I actually play on my server and dislike CS when over 14 > > > > people are playing. It gets to much like an Unreal advent > > after 14 > > > > players. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Simon Garner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 1
Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
The game is old, so old I'm surprised they are still supporting it. If I where answering I would say no. They have their work cut-out creating the next big thing. They cant afford to spend all their time patching old code. Either run the servers and put up with the high resource requirements or dont its your call. If you dont there are people that will, for the time being, so to be harsh but fair you dont matter someone will fill the gap. Steve / K - Original Message - From: "dual_bereta_r0x" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 11 November 2003 16:10 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > Will wrote: > > but why complain, its how it is. > > So valve will tell you: HL2 will need AS A START a Opteron FX 3.2+ to > run ONE 20-slot server. You will blindly buy 3 of them JUST to run it?! > > I don't care about technology needs, but this costs MONEY. The same > MONEY players payed to them to make a DECENT server. The only thing i > WANT is a DEFINITIVE answer from VALVE ONLY: THESE PROPBLEMS WILL OR NOT > WILL BE SOLVED? WHEN? > > "doh! we are looking right now into the problems, we will solve asap. > just give us some donuts and time." > > Homer is more accurate than they. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
Will wrote: I think most people don't setup the servers properly, and thats the main problem. You have to remember that valve have setup a 5year old engine to work with our modern day machines, which in its own right is pretty impressive. I have no issues with steam at this time, fair enough it is pretty cpu hungry, but why complain, its how it is. Just get a nice kernel and some nice spec machines and you will have no problems Thats a nice thought, but it's flawed. If this were true, then there are maybe 5 people on this list that feel they have *no* problems. I may not be a unix god but I would like to see you set up a server comparable to my hardware that performs much better. Basically your telling all these people that have performance issues they have set up their servers incorrectly. Come on. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
Will wrote: but why complain, its how it is. So valve will tell you: HL2 will need AS A START a Opteron FX 3.2+ to run ONE 20-slot server. You will blindly buy 3 of them JUST to run it?! I don't care about technology needs, but this costs MONEY. The same MONEY players payed to them to make a DECENT server. The only thing i WANT is a DEFINITIVE answer from VALVE ONLY: THESE PROPBLEMS WILL OR NOT WILL BE SOLVED? WHEN? "doh! we are looking right now into the problems, we will solve asap. just give us some donuts and time." Homer is more accurate than they. -- dual_bereta_r0x -- Alexandre Hautequest ArenaNetwork Lan House & Cyber -- www.arenanetwork.com.br ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_Linux] 5 reasons I'm shutting down my HL Servers
I have to agree with Will here too. Since I installed and configured my 2.6 kernel, my CS servers run just as good on the same hardware running Red Hat with the 2.6 test kernel as it did when I was running it on Windows 2003. I still have to agree on several of the other points that the original author pointed out, however. But for now, all in all, my CS servers are running great under Linux. So, as long as I don't have to run a MS product on my server, I'm happy :). Joe > I think most people don't setup the servers properly, and thats the main > problem. You have to remember that valve have setup a 5year old engine to > work with our modern day machines, which in its own right is pretty > impressive. I have no issues with steam at this time, fair enough it is > pretty cpu hungry, but why complain, its how it is. > > Just get a nice kernel and some nice spec machines and you will have no > problems > > - Original Message - > From: "m0gely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > > >> dual_bereta_r0x wrote: >> > etc, etc, etc. >> >> Actually, I aggree with most of what he has said. I don't have all the >> same problems, but server performance is laughable for what this app >> does. I think Steam is a joke too. I really don't understand what it's >> purpose is. Content delivery? Cheat protection? It seams like those >> are the two things it does the worst at. Most people I know are leaving >> current Steam based games because of it. Not flaming here, it just the >> truth. HL2 will get it's chance because it's HL2, but patience will >> only grant that title so much in the end. >> >> -- >> - m0gely >> http://quake2.telestream.com/ >> Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
Will wrote: Just get a nice kernel and some nice spec machines and you will have no problems Steam servers: 3x 22-slot (4 reserved) Counter-Strike w/ adminmod 2.50.58 + statsme 2.6.17. Hardware: Dual Intel Xeon P4 2.8, 4Gb ECC DDR, Seagate Ultra-SCSI3 320 36.4Gb HDD, Adaptec 39320, Intel Gigabit EtherExpress Pro. Software: Slackware Linux 9.1 with -current fixes, only with kernel, init, glibc, ssh network tools and text tools to bring system up. No apache, no bind, no ftp, nothing to steal cpu or mem. Kernels: 2.4.20, 2.4.21, 2.4.22, 2.4.9-ac9, 2.6.0-test3/4/5/6/7/8/9. HZ changed to 100, 1000 in each release. No additional modules for hardware/features i don't have. Network connection: Summit 48i Gigabit switch, plugged in a Cisco Catalyst 8540 CSRswitch router, 155Mbit pipe, link usage 75% peak rate, 60% normal usage, < 25% between 9pm-9am. This WAS SUPPOSED TO handle a decent game server. Or a Oracle one. -- dual_bereta_r0x -- Alexandre Hautequest ArenaNetwork Lan House & Cyber -- www.arenanetwork.com.br ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
dual_bereta_r0x wrote: The same here. Since the 3.1.1.1 servers I get pissed cause of the bad performance. And since the release of Steam our XP2000+ in not capable anymore of a fluid gameplay for 2 servers. That's not only bad that's disgusting. Besides the point that 3.1.1.1 does not bring any new enhancements for a server regarding the increase in cpu load. With Steam it just got worse. Not to mention the problems and bugs on the client side. As we are trying new hardware (Barton core Athlons seem to be much better performing with steam servers than Palomino cores) we are giving MoHAA, BF1942 and Tribes2 a shot. They perform much better, are also full most of the time and there are less known problems. For the long run we will decrease the HL Servers, because of the immens cost for new hardware they are needing. Myself I would drop HL completly because of the bad support regarding the performance hit since 3.1.1.1 and valve ignoring the bitching. Any other server is performing better. Some 1/2 some 1/5 of CPU load for the same amount of slots used. Best example is Tribes2, it is real cpu friendly. If there will be no update in the near future fixing this problem, there will be no CS server anymore hosted by us. It's too expensive. That's it, flames on Frank ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
I don't understand why cpl will be STEAM! It just sucks.. - Original Message - From: "m0gely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > dual_bereta_r0x wrote: > > etc, etc, etc. > > Actually, I aggree with most of what he has said. I don't have all the > same problems, but server performance is laughable for what this app > does. I think Steam is a joke too. I really don't understand what it's > purpose is. Content delivery? Cheat protection? It seams like those > are the two things it does the worst at. Most people I know are leaving > current Steam based games because of it. Not flaming here, it just the > truth. HL2 will get it's chance because it's HL2, but patience will > only grant that title so much in the end. > > -- > - m0gely > http://quake2.telestream.com/ > Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
I think most people don't setup the servers properly, and thats the main problem. You have to remember that valve have setup a 5year old engine to work with our modern day machines, which in its own right is pretty impressive. I have no issues with steam at this time, fair enough it is pretty cpu hungry, but why complain, its how it is. Just get a nice kernel and some nice spec machines and you will have no problems - Original Message - From: "m0gely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers > dual_bereta_r0x wrote: > > etc, etc, etc. > > Actually, I aggree with most of what he has said. I don't have all the > same problems, but server performance is laughable for what this app > does. I think Steam is a joke too. I really don't understand what it's > purpose is. Content delivery? Cheat protection? It seams like those > are the two things it does the worst at. Most people I know are leaving > current Steam based games because of it. Not flaming here, it just the > truth. HL2 will get it's chance because it's HL2, but patience will > only grant that title so much in the end. > > -- > - m0gely > http://quake2.telestream.com/ > Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
dual_bereta_r0x wrote: etc, etc, etc. Actually, I aggree with most of what he has said. I don't have all the same problems, but server performance is laughable for what this app does. I think Steam is a joke too. I really don't understand what it's purpose is. Content delivery? Cheat protection? It seams like those are the two things it does the worst at. Most people I know are leaving current Steam based games because of it. Not flaming here, it just the truth. HL2 will get it's chance because it's HL2, but patience will only grant that title so much in the end. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers
didn't you say you were shutting down your servers 2 months ago ? what changed then ? -Original Message- From: dual_bereta_r0x [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 November 2003 14:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds_linux] 5 reasons i'm shutting down my HL Servers 1. Authentication DIDN'T work. The messages "User ticket expired" and "game is currently unavaliable" are becoming jokes. Maybe inside their LAN auth can be done. Maybe in a few countries with huge pipes auth can be done. Maybe someday auth can be done in a 9 of 10 tries ratio. 2. STEAM don't update. I started an "./steam -update dod [myuser] [mypass] Y" 30 (thirty) days ago, and i still waiting for the update. No, the process didn't died, it still logging each try. Yes, i've removed ~/.steam folder and *.blob files. I think i'll need to upgrade my server network connection to an OC-12 one, my "old" atm pipe don't have enough bandwidth. 3. Hardware requeriments for a DECENT server are almost the same of an Oracle server. I don't mind to run a top hardware but not with this poor performance. My xeons looks like old pentium 133. "But here we run a 20-slot players in our P3-600". Sure. I will change my blade servers to a p3-600 cluster :/ Or should i run ONE server per $2k machine? 4. LACK OF SUPPORT. The last mail messages POSTED by some VALVe guy since the "we're f*cked, someone stoled our future money-tree, help us" message was about "New VAC Detections" and "Temporary downgrade of VAC". Is nice to see they are alive, but will be much more better seeing them fixing game bugs. And leaving things working, of course. The cool thing is: "help us". Where is YOUR help to us? Oh, yes, sorry, you are occupied now. 5. HL2. Yes, this *is* a problem. VALVe put the bug fixing/patching of the *actual* Half-Life game in 8th plan, and now are running out of time to change the leaked source code. I DON'T WANT TO START ANOTHER FLAME WAR, i'm still very disapointed with these guys. My Bf1942 servers with 32 players have better performance than my 16p STEAM servers. Even my BETA MoHAA are better. And are far away stables. Before anyone AGAIN writes "bad troll", "shut up, leave them" and "so, close the door when out", yes, i'm leaving. I don't trust anymore such developers. A year and half since hlds x.1.1.0 and some things insist in not work. -- dual_bereta_r0x -- Alexandre Hautequest ArenaNetwork Lan House & Cyber -- www.arenanetwork.com.br ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux *** This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are intended for the above named recipient only. If this has come to you in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. You must take no action based on this, nor must you copy or disclose it or any part of its contents to any person or organisation. Statements and opinions contained in this email may not necessarily represent those of Littlewoods. Please note that e-mail communications may be monitored. The registered office of Littlewoods Limited and its subsidiaries is 100 Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L70 1AB. Registered number of Littlewoods Limited is 262152. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
