Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?

2005-11-21 Thread Craig Moore
If you're a gmail user, you can set up a label and track that way. For
instance, my address is [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I can create a label
named HLDS. Then I can give out the address [EMAIL PROTECTED],
and it automatically goes in the HLDS label (basically its own
folder). If I get mail from anyone other than the list, I'll know
where they got their information from. I'm sure there's a way to setup
some sort of filter, too, but I'm too lazy to even change my address
for the HLDS label.

--Craig (ping)

On 11/20/05, ScratchMonkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --On Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:39 PM -0800 Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  I have SpamAssassin also, but it's not reliable enough - it misses a lot
  of spam, and every now and then tags a legit email. Because of that I
  have to review all the spam tags to make sure it didn't miss anything.

 Make sure you use the latest version. Fighting spam is like fighting
 viruses. The target is constantly moving so you have to keep the system up
 to date. I'm using 3.1.0 and 3.1.1 is pretty close to coming out. You can
 also add custom rules. Follow the user mailing list so you can keep abreast
 of the trends.

 I'd recommend that Valve run SA on its mailing list server. I have it on
 the MA server to cover posts to the lists I run (server admin stuff for
 Tribes and BF2). If you run it from within MIMEDefang, it will reject the
 really bad spam (I use a threshold of 10) while the spammer is on the line.
 I've never seen a false positive with a score of 10. (Between 5 and 10 goes
 in my spam folder for manual checking, sorted by score so I really only
 look closely at the low-scoring stuff.)

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Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?

2005-11-21 Thread Oezguen Goecer
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Craig Moore schrieb:

If you're a gmail user, you can set up a label and track that way. For
instance, my address is [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I can create a label
named HLDS. Then I can give out the address [EMAIL PROTECTED],
and it automatically goes in the HLDS label (basically its own
folder). If I get mail from anyone other than the list, I'll know
where they got their information from. I'm sure there's a way to setup
some sort of filter, too, but I'm too lazy to even change my address
for the HLDS label.

--Craig (ping)

On 11/20/05, ScratchMonkey [EMAIL PROTECTED][3] wrote:


--On Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:39 PM -0800 Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED][4]
wrote:



I have SpamAssassin also, but it's not reliable enough - it misses a lot
of spam, and every now and then tags a legit email. Because of that I
have to review all the spam tags to make sure it didn't miss anything.


Make sure you use the latest version. Fighting spam is like fighting
viruses. The target is constantly moving so you have to keep the system up
to date. I'm using 3.1.0 and 3.1.1 is pretty close to coming out. You can
also add custom rules. Follow the user mailing list so you can keep abreast
of the trends.

I'd recommend that Valve run SA on its mailing list server. I have it on
the MA server to cover posts to the lists I run (server admin stuff for
Tribes and BF2). If you run it from within MIMEDefang, it will reject the
really bad spam (I use a threshold of 10) while the spammer is on the line.
I've never seen a false positive with a score of 10. (Between 5 and 10 goes
in my spam folder for manual checking, sorted by score so I really only
look closely at the low-scoring stuff.)

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Jeah Thanks ;) n1 idea

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Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?

2005-11-21 Thread ScratchMonkey

--On Monday, November 21, 2005 4:07 PM -0500 Craig Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


my address is [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I can create a label
named HLDS. Then I can give out the address [EMAIL PROTECTED],
and it automatically goes in the HLDS label (basically its own
folder).


This is a standard feature of sendmail. If your ISP uses sendmail, you've
got this capability. Sendmail ignores the plus sign and everything after it
when comparing for a username. It then hands the message to a delivery
agent to put it in the mailbox. On Red Hat systems (including Fedora) this
is typically procmail, and procmail can deliver to folders based on what
comes after the +.

So just try sending yourself a message with a plus sign and something after
your name and see if it works. Chances are, your ISP runs sendmail and
Bob's your uncle.



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Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?

2005-11-21 Thread Ook

True, but in all the years I've been on this list, no one has lifted my
email before :(

- Original Message -
From: Stan Bubrouski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?



Spammers pretty much harvest from every single mail list with public
archives.  Its the very known you risk you take posting to public
mailing lists, but you know this *poke poke* ;-)

-sb




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Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?

2005-11-21 Thread m0gely

Ook wrote:


True, but in all the years I've been on this list, no one has lifted my
email before :(


All it takes is a single person on this list to get some viral piece of
 code to look for email addy's.  And unfortunatly, that's pretty likely.

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Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?

2005-11-21 Thread Eric (Deacon)

In a bold display of creativity, m0gely wrote:

All it takes is a single person on this list to get some viral piece of
code to look for email addy's.  And unfortunatly, that's pretty likely.


Dammit!  Outlook Express keeps crashing!

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Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?

2005-11-20 Thread ScratchMonkey

--On Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:49 PM -0800 Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


I'm wondering if some spammer has come here
to harvest email address. Has anyone else had problems with extra spam to
the address you use here?


I wouldn't notice. My servers are protected with SpamAssassin. The only
spam that's getting through is that table-based one selling the drugs
listed spelled in columns, to evade checking for the regular name. I need
to download a ruleset to match that class. If only people didn't post
ordinary mail in HTML, it would be trivial to spot spam.



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Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?

2005-11-20 Thread Ook


- Original Message -
From: ScratchMonkey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?



--On Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:49 PM -0800 Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


I'm wondering if some spammer has come here
to harvest email address. Has anyone else had problems with extra spam to
the address you use here?


I wouldn't notice. My servers are protected with SpamAssassin. The only
spam that's getting through is that table-based one selling the drugs
listed spelled in columns, to evade checking for the regular name. I need
to download a ruleset to match that class. If only people didn't post
ordinary mail in HTML, it would be trivial to spot spam.




I have SpamAssassin also, but it's not reliable enough - it misses a lot of
spam, and every now and then tags a legit email. Because of that I have to
review all the spam tags to make sure it didn't miss anything.


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Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?

2005-11-20 Thread Stan Bubrouski
Spammers pretty much harvest from every single mail list with public
archives.  Its the very known you risk you take posting to public
mailing lists, but you know this *poke poke* ;-)

-sb

On 11/20/05, Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: ScratchMonkey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?


  --On Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:49 PM -0800 Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  I'm wondering if some spammer has come here
  to harvest email address. Has anyone else had problems with extra spam to
  the address you use here?
 
  I wouldn't notice. My servers are protected with SpamAssassin. The only
  spam that's getting through is that table-based one selling the drugs
  listed spelled in columns, to evade checking for the regular name. I need
  to download a ruleset to match that class. If only people didn't post
  ordinary mail in HTML, it would be trivial to spot spam.
 
 

 I have SpamAssassin also, but it's not reliable enough - it misses a lot of
 spam, and every now and then tags a legit email. Because of that I have to
 review all the spam tags to make sure it didn't miss anything.


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Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?

2005-11-20 Thread ScratchMonkey

--On Sunday, November 20, 2005 10:13 PM -0500 Stan Bubrouski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Spammers pretty much harvest from every single mail list with public
archives.


The UT2004 list has a password on the archives which is posted at the
bottom of every list message. Any human knows how to get to them. Spam
spiders don't, though.



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RE: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?

2005-11-20 Thread Tristan Morris
Well the best thing to do, would be setup an email address such as
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and then setup a filter rule, checking that only emails
where the TO address contains hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com are
accepted. Outlook 2003 does quite a good job filtering out rubbish.

Tristan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stan Bubrouski
Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 2:13 PM
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?

Spammers pretty much harvest from every single mail list with public
archives.  Its the very known you risk you take posting to public
mailing lists, but you know this *poke poke* ;-)

-sb

On 11/20/05, Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: ScratchMonkey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?


  --On Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:49 PM -0800 Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  I'm wondering if some spammer has come here
  to harvest email address. Has anyone else had problems with extra spam
to
  the address you use here?
 
  I wouldn't notice. My servers are protected with SpamAssassin. The only
  spam that's getting through is that table-based one selling the drugs
  listed spelled in columns, to evade checking for the regular name. I
need
  to download a ruleset to match that class. If only people didn't post
  ordinary mail in HTML, it would be trivial to spot spam.
 
 

 I have SpamAssassin also, but it's not reliable enough - it misses a lot
of
 spam, and every now and then tags a legit email. Because of that I have to
 review all the spam tags to make sure it didn't miss anything.


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Re: [hlds_linux] Spammers harvesting from this list?

2005-11-20 Thread ScratchMonkey

--On Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:39 PM -0800 Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


I have SpamAssassin also, but it's not reliable enough - it misses a lot
of spam, and every now and then tags a legit email. Because of that I
have to review all the spam tags to make sure it didn't miss anything.


Make sure you use the latest version. Fighting spam is like fighting
viruses. The target is constantly moving so you have to keep the system up
to date. I'm using 3.1.0 and 3.1.1 is pretty close to coming out. You can
also add custom rules. Follow the user mailing list so you can keep abreast
of the trends.

I'd recommend that Valve run SA on its mailing list server. I have it on
the MA server to cover posts to the lists I run (server admin stuff for
Tribes and BF2). If you run it from within MIMEDefang, it will reject the
really bad spam (I use a threshold of 10) while the spammer is on the line.
I've never seen a false positive with a score of 10. (Between 5 and 10 goes
in my spam folder for manual checking, sorted by score so I really only
look closely at the low-scoring stuff.)

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