[Hornlist] Re: Attn: Wes Hatch
Wes, Could you please contact me privately? Thanks. Wilbert mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Trick question
No matter what your age, I highly recommend two of Anna Russel's CDs. One has The Horn quoted here. Very funny. Another CD has the complete Ring cycle done in 5 minutes, accurately. Don't listen to it the first time while you're driving, you might lose control. Herb Foster --- Bill Gross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those of us in the know were taught by Anna Russel, it isn't what you think it is, it's condenstion. Thereby dating myself. ... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Beethoven Symphony No 3
Listening to my copy of the Beethoven Eroica, it appears that more than one horn is playing the passage at measure 383 (rehearsal letter F) of the last movement. Is this customary that all three horns play this?. Do orchestras frequently use an assistant horn in performing the Eroica? Jon Woodyard Lewes, DE ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
RE: [Hornlist] Trick question
Amen. And if you can get the video it's even funnier because you can see what she is doing. Loren Mayhew \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Herbert Foster Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:19 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Trick question No matter what your age, I highly recommend two of Anna Russel's CDs. One has The Horn quoted here. Very funny. Another CD has the complete Ring cycle done in 5 minutes, accurately. Don't listen to it the first time while you're driving, you might lose control. Herb Foster --- Bill Gross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those of us in the know were taught by Anna Russel, it isn't what you think it is, it's condenstion. Thereby dating myself. ... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Ion Balu mutes
Well, guess what: the brother of Ion Balu came into rehearsal last night (Arkansas Symphony) with both a cone mute and a practice mute. Talk about timing! Apparently the straight cone-shaped mute is running $100, and the practice mute about $75. I brought them home last night to test out. Both weigh considerably more than other makes, such as TrumCor, Lewis, MB, etc. They are very attractive, made of what looks like a generous quantity of walnut veneer. The straight mute is slightly longer than my Marcus Bonna, meaning it doesn't quite fit into the RB mute bag I own. It is by far the mute with the most projection capability I've ever tried. Has six corks, rather than 3 or 4. Responds well in all ranges. If I have any complaint, it's that the sound seems to crack when playing high and loud, and requires holding back. It's tunable and weighs a ton. I'd be a bit worried about it falling out of the bell! The practice mute weighs a little less. For the sake of curiosity, I conducted a very makeshift, inconclusive test. I played pitches and observed results on my tuner. First I played pitches of the C triad (horn C, that is) being certain to play where pitches were centered. then I tested the same with my TrumCor practice mute, and finally the Ion Balu mute. Results are measured in cents above or below the open horn pitch. C4 = middle C, or one leger line below the staff in T.C. Horn pitch no mute TrumCor Balu C6 +5 -10 +50 G5 +5 -10 +45 C5 +5 -5 +55 G4 0 +15 +50 E4 0 +15 +40 C4 0 +10 +35 G3 -3 +10 +20 E3 +5 +10 +30 C3 0 0 0 G2 0 * 0 * could not register pitch on tuner due to low volume I didn't have my Yamaha Silent Brass mute with me today in the office to test it with the others. As for the TrumCor and Balu, you can see how these results might influence your accuracy differently when using them more extensively. Whether due to the effect on the lips, or the ear, I can't presume to know; but I can vouch that it does! For what it's worth, Brent Brent A. Shires, Instructor of Horn University of Central Arkansas: Conway, AR 72035 Phone: 501-450-5768 Fax: 501-450-5773 Web: http://www.uca.edu/divisions/academic/arts/music/faculty/bshires.htm 3rd Horn Arkansas Symphony Orchestra; Blue Lake Fine Arts Camp Horn Instructor; IHS Regional Workshop Coordinator Arkansas Area Rep.; Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia Province 4 Governor ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Ion Balu mutes
But I'll bet nothing can beat my old Jo Ral copper mute for extreme weight. I only keep it now to loan to students when they have 'emergencies.' Mine would NEVER quite play low E-Flat and D without pulling it out an inch or two. Anyway, it was so heavy, having it inadvertently swing into your bell was like getting in the way of a wrecking crane. Now I play some brand (dunno...it is not marked; picked it up for $100 at the Kalamazoo workshop) of very light, extremely long cone-shaped thin walled wooden mute. Really nice sound, plays all the notes across the range. Wish I remembered what the maker was... Bob Dickow Lionel Hampton School of Music - Original Message - From: Brent Shires [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, guess what: the brother of Ion Balu came into rehearsal last snip Both weigh considerably more than other makes, such as TrumCor, Lewis, MB, etc. They are very attractive, made of what ...snip ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
RE: [Hornlist] Ion Balu mutes
Bob laments, Now I play some brand (dunno...it is not marked; picked it up for $100 at the Kalamazoo workshop) of very light, extremely long cone-shaped thin walled wooden mute. Really nice sound, plays all the notes across the range. Wish I remembered what the maker was... Bob, I think you have a Kowalchuk mute made by John Kowalchuk. Check out http://home.istar.ca/~johnk Loren Mayhew \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
RE: [Hornlist] Ion Balu mutes
At 1:52 PM -0700 1/14/03, Loren wrote: Bob, I think you have a Kowalchuk mute made by John Kowalchuk. Check out http://home.istar.ca/~johnk That's what I think, too. John was at KZoo, too. I have one of his mutes and it's great. It goes well with my Jo-Ral, which I use as well. Carlberg Carlberg Jones Colima, Col., Mexico Tel. 001-52-312-330-3531 (machine okay) Cel. 001-52-312-320-1701 (please don't leave a message - I never check) ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven Symphony No 3
In a message dated 1/14/03 1:41:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is this customary that all three horns play this?. I think it is quite common. I once played it in a performance in which the conductor used an assistant on each horn part in order to have six horns play this in unison to make a Grande Finale! Cheers, Paul Mansur ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Re: Cold Weather playing
On recommendation of several list members, I have started using Ultra-Pure lamp oil to lubricate the rotor valve bearings (top bottom). This lamp oil is 99% pure liquid wax paraffin (highly purified kerosene) and really is odorless, and does not leave a taste. The valves work very well at cool room temperature, and I think it would be good for use in freezing temperatures too. It seems to lubricate quite well and the re-oil interval is about the same as with Al Cass. I have not yet used the U-P in the summer, and perhaps a different oil will be better in warm and hot seasons. If you try the Ultra-Pure, I suggest that you first flush the valves with about a tablespoon-full of U-P through the leadpipe - but first push all the tuning slides fully closed. After flushing and draining the U-P, I think you will notice the valve action to be much quicker (this would also be a good time to swab-out the leadpipe). For oiling, I put some of the U-P in a small eye-drop bottle so I can dispense it by the drop. Oil the top and bottom bearings of the valves as usual. After the initial flush of the rotors, I have not had to re-flush or lubricate the rotor bodies. I purchased a 22 ounce bottle of U-P at K-Mart for about $4 (US), and I understand that it is usually available at Walmart. Be sure to get the CLEAR U-P, and make sure the bottle says 99% pure, smokeless and odorless. The manufacturer is Lamplight Farms, Menomonee Falls, Wisconsin, USA. Jay Kosta Endwell NY USA ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] 10D vs. 11D
Jim, I played a 10D from 1996-2001 after playing on a Hoyer for 23 years. Had played the Hoyer since college, which I sensed was very muffled. The 10D had a clearer sound. A couple of years ago on the 10D I reached the point where I felt I wasn't being heard very well, especially when I had to fit in with larger orchestras. It also edged out quickly when I tried to play ff. I borrowed a friend's 11D for a month and during that time subbed with a larger orchestra. I found that the 11D held its own better in a section. I could lean on it without overblowing it and it had a bigger sound. Had to give the 11D back (reluctantly). Have since bought a Ricco Kühn 293. Nan Bremer -- Jim Thompson wrote: For those who have had or who have played both the 10d and 11d, can you tell me what you've found the significant differences to be with the small throat 10d vs the medium throat 11d ? Thanks, Jim _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Various
All, In over my head with responsibilities et al is reason I've been lurking. Catching up on recent threads. W/respect to playing in COLD TEMPS. Have been using Hetman lubes for almost a decade. Seems temperature affects their performance much less than other lubes. Had access to aerospace synthetic lubes (oil) in 60s used personal supply until switch to Hetman. Some posts on playing military gigs in severe weather remind me of my 17 months in Bremerhaven GER. Rarely did it snow. It rained all the time. So cold the drops would become ice before-after landing. My solution was to run plain old water through the rotors before early morning gigs for departing-incoming troop ships (tide times ya kno). Can't play with frozen valves, can we? David Amram did spot my trick when he arrived on one of these tubs wrote of it in one of his books. From current posts, thank goodness, it seems the military brass have become more sensible. FLIPPERS. Have used one since '61. Positioned not on index finger knuckle, but just below on fleshy part. No problem in all those years. Ditto for the adjustable flipper Johannes Finke installs on his Horns after having a trace of an outline of ones hand. PRE WWII SINGLE F STENCILS. My parents bought a White single F for me circa '39. It definitely was made in GER. $125 when dad was earning $5 a day in coal mines. As stated previously it carried me through many competitions (always against doubles) until Uncle Sam handed me my first NS double (one of those TX Sansones yet). So I too am an advocate of starting youngsters on F Horn. MUTES. Have used an AULOS (aka Lawson) practice mute for decades. Practiced in many a motel room w/TV turned up a little during the many years of travel in engineering position. Kept me in shape. BUZZER. Have used BERP for couple decades during commuting to office on travel. It worked for me. AIR TRAVEL. Used soft cut bell cases of various manufacturers w/no problem prior to 9/11/01. Banff Beijing included. Did get away w/Olds fixed bell hard case several times in this period. Since I packed in the Horn end of 2K I can't comment on current experience. PRACTICE. Used standard books other than Kopprash during career. Arbans Trumpet, GER orchestral series (name?) even a mellophone exercise book. The key was really having superior teachers. RIGHT HORN. The right Horn is the one that plays the best for one within financial constraints. Brand, model, etc be darned. Condition is a factor of course. Enough for now. As said in another venue. That's all folks. Take care. GN ENGINEERING: Retired Industry-Gov't MANAGEMENT TECHNICAL CONSULTING Napuda Associates, Pennsville, NJ HORN: Public School System, College, Univ., US Army, Freelance, Lifelong AFM, Avocation, IHS NJ Rep. ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Re: Ultra-Pure as oil
The repair shop I worked in for years used Ultra Pure Lamp Oil as valve/rotor oil on all brass instruments. It doesn't react with other oils that may already be on the rotor or piston, and therefore doesn't gum up. Great stuff. (I use Hetman on my horn, though. I LOVE that stuff.) Sonja Reynolds ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Anna Russell
OK, OK, For several months now, I have been following hornlist affairs from afar and found myself, for some reason, with little to add to anything and when I did occasionally think of something to say, I'd be swamped with NHR business (new job, family, etc.) and never get around to formulating a message. But now, I have in my possession a DVD entitled Anna Russell : the (first) farewell concert (VAI DVD 4208). On it is her deconstruction of the Ring Cycle (I'm not making this up, you know), but even more horn related is the track Wind instruments I have known which features her playing the horn (though playing might not be the most applicable term). The performance took place on Nov. 7, 1984 at the Baltimore Museum of Art and has the look of a PBS production. And, yes, it is funny. Later, Peter Hirsch ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven Symphony No 3
I would imagine some orchestras use an assistant. I really don't remember whether we did or not. The third horn can be used some of the time to help the 1st. We doubled the 3rd part some in the last movement. I don't have a score so can't answer your question. Have fun. Walter ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
