RE: [Hornlist] Re: New horn maintenance
Very interesting, very interesting, but would you kindly tell the crowd, how horns owned by professionals as well as by amateur look like after a few weeks or months ? I could tell many stories from what I have seen .. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 5:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Re: New horn maintenance In a message dated 3/6/04 1:00:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael K writes: I just recieved my new Yamaha YHR668NDII, and was wondering if I have to take it into the shop to get the so called factory dust cleaned out. I did clean out a new 668 recently and there was some factory gunk in it, although not as much as some brands. In the US, the manufacturers used to use vapor degreasers to clean the horns, but they had to give them up for envioronmental and health reasons. Conn and Holton are using ultrasonic cleaners but apparently they're not working so well. I've done several new ones recently that were chock full of stuff. The kind of stuff left behind is abrasive so it will wear the valves out prematurely unless it's gotten rid of. Any kind of normal washing, flooding with oil etc. won't do much good. You have to take the valves out and clean the casings, bearings and around the corners where the stuff is lurking. It's not easy to get it all. It will be in such places as the valve cap threads, stop arms, at the edges where tubes are soldered together, in the valve knuckles. Any of it that's left will be loosened up by whatever valve oil you use and will run right back into the valves. As I mentioned, the Yamaha I did recently wasn't as bad, but there was some buffing compound still lurking that had gotten into the valves and was making them act badly. Finding a shop that really understands what's needed won't be easy though! - Steve Mumford ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: New horn maintenance
There is the old story I remember of 1 out of 4 yamaha piston schmidt model horns having metal shavings in the valves while they were new. I knew someone who had one that had to sell the horn because the valves were ruined. Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Very interesting, very interesting, but would you kindly tell the crowd, how horns owned by professionals as well as by amateur look like after a few weeks or months ? I could tell many stories from what I have seen .. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 5:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Re: New horn maintenance In a message dated 3/6/04 1:00:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael K writes: I just recieved my new Yamaha YHR668NDII, and was wondering if I have to take it into the shop to get the so called factory dust cleaned out. I did clean out a new 668 recently and there was some factory gunk in it, although not as much as some brands. In the US, the manufacturers used to use vapor degreasers to clean the horns, but they had to give them up for envioronmental and health reasons. Conn and Holton are using ultrasonic cleaners but apparently they're not working so well. I've done several new ones recently that were chock full of stuff. The kind of stuff left behind is abrasive so it will wear the valves out prematurely unless it's gotten rid of. Any kind of normal washing, flooding with oil etc. won't do much good. You have to take the valves out and clean the casings, bearings and around the corners where the stuff is lurking. It's not easy to get it all. It will be in such places as the valve cap threads, stop arms, at the edges where tubes are soldered together, in the valve knuckles. Any of it that's left will be loosened up by whatever valve oil you use and will run right back into the valves. As I mentioned, the Yamaha I did recently wasn't as bad, but there was some buffing compound still lurking that had gotten into the valves and was making them act badly. Finding a shop that really understands what's needed won't be easy though! - Steve Mumford ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/nafai23%40yahoo.com - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: New horn maintenance
This is not an answer to my question !! == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of c y Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 2:34 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: New horn maintenance There is the old story I remember of 1 out of 4 yamaha piston schmidt model horns having metal shavings in the valves while they were new. I knew someone who had one that had to sell the horn because the valves were ruined. Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Very interesting, very interesting, but would you kindly tell the crowd, how horns owned by professionals as well as by amateur look like after a few weeks or months ? I could tell many stories from what I have seen .. === ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Need clinic sponsor in NYC - May 2004
I need help to arrange a small horn clinic in the New York City area in early May - if you have contacts with a school or similar organization (civic group, church, music dealer, etc.) that would be interested in sponsoring such an event, please let me know. The details are that the Zurich Tonhalle Orchestra will be on tour in the US and Mr. Nigel Downing (horn) would like to lead a playing/training session - his available dates are May 3 thru 5 (Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday). Mr. Downing is the author of the book, Singing On The Wind - Aspects of Horn Playing - http://www.hornweb.ch/ In addition to his position with the Tonhalle Orchestra, Mr. Downing was recently a guest professor at the Royal Northern College of Music, Manchester, England. Mr. Downing also presented a session for the horn players at Chethams` School. The agenda and time for the clinic can be tailored depending on the expected participants, and the facilities that are available. I realize the lateness of this request - I had hoped to arrange a clinic thru one of the NYC colleges, but they were not able to schedule it. If you can assist me with this project, please reply directly to my personal email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] thank you, Jay Kosta Endwell NY (Binghamton area) USA ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: New Horn Maintenance
Hey everyone, Oknow I'm just paraniod, we really don't have french horn specialist down here, and I guess the repairs people here haven't even heard of factory dust, and can clean it out effectively. Shipping it off to a good horn repair person will be to costly, and wasting money here to have someone who doesnt know what to do, isn't good niether. I guess I won't be able to play my new horn for some time then. I don't wanna ruin the valves. Mike ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: New Horn Maintenance
Sorry, But how can you tell if the horn has factory dust left in? Are there tell tale sings I would notice or something? Mike ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re:[Hornlist] Re: New horn maintenance
I bought an older 668 (which was new, but the warehouse had lost track of its location) which was very clean and hardly anything came out when I used my hornwash stuff, the vavles have been fantastic ( though with the 668's I would suggest that you buy some springs that are a bit tighter, but not nearly as much as holton or UMI and some softer bumpers). I guess that just about every horn can benefit from medium tension springs and soft bumpers. -- Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Re: New horn maintenance Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:43:38 EST In a message dated 3/6/04 1:00:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael K writes: I just recieved my new Yamaha YHR668NDII, and was wondering if I have to take it into the shop to get the so called factory dust cleaned out. I did clean out a new 668 recently and there was some factory gunk in it, although not as much as some brands. In the US, the manufacturers used to use vapor degreasers to clean the horns, but they had to give them up for envioronmental and health reasons. Conn and Holton are using ultrasonic cleaners but apparently they're not working so well. I've done several new ones recently that were chock full of stuff. The kind of stuff left behind is abrasive so it will wear the valves out prematurely unless it's gotten rid of. Any kind of normal washing, flooding with oil etc. won't do much good. You have to take the valves out and clean the casings, bearings and around the corners where the stuff is lurking. It's not easy to get it all. It will be in such places as the valve cap threads, stop arms, at the edges where tubes are soldered together, in the valve knuckles. Any of it that's left will be loosened up by whatever valve oil you use and will run right back into the valves. As I mentioned, the Yamaha I did recently wasn't as bad, but there was some buffing compound still lurking that had gotten into the valves and was making them act badly. Finding a shop that really understands what's needed won't be easy though! - Steve Mumford ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/musicmaster%40the-any-key.com _ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com Looking for friendships,romance and more? http://www.MyOwnFriends.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horn quartet/ensemble music
David:
My horns always do this on the hymns which the
congregation sings (transposing from C of course), but
it hardly makes a very interesting feature number or
numbers. I was actually thinking something more along
the lines of Basler's three hymn tune settings, but
for multiple horns.
Scott
--- David Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why not get some copies of any book of hymns from a
church, in particular
the church where you will play? Your group can read
straight from the
book or transpose to C.
{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
___
post: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
set your options at
http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornhog%40yahoo.com
__
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster
http://search.yahoo.com
___
post: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: New Horn Maintenance
Wash the horn through as I told you. Do it carefully. You will see nothing coming out. Often the factory dust is the dirt accumulated by the many careless people who tried the horn for weeks but returned the horn, and on and on. The shop keeper never cleaned the horn out after use nor did the trying person. This is not dirt but ugly left overs from fellow players. Clean it out use a micro fibre towel to whip away the water drops. Micro fibre towel is available in super markets. Don't get hysterical about stupid old stories which might be true, but only for every hundredth horn or less. There are enough hysterical out, who lament about such stuff. Once we got a special built horn back, with the comment, the valves would not work as they were lame. The customer did not get along with the horn. It exceeded his potentials as a player financially. So he oiled the valves with gun oil which produces a perfect slime if in contact with water or other moist. He did that, to blame us for the sluggish valves. But when we saw the with slime, we knew immediately what he had done .. Michael, do not believe every story you receive. Use your brain to separate (perhaps) true stories from mere legends micky mouse stories. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Re: New Horn Maintenance Sorry, But how can you tell if the horn has factory dust left in? Are there tell tale sings I would notice or something? Mike ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] wagner tubas for sale
My orchestra is selling some Wagnertubas (we have more than three sets), to get more free space in our instrument room. There is a complete set of Alexander Tubas, 2 in F (4 valves) two double Tubas (they are compensating, Bb + F-extensions; 3 + 1 valves), all in good condition, not dented, no patches, valves all in best condition, instruments were professionally checked/maintained every year, lacquered, with cases). Prices to be discussed, but very moderate. There are two other F-tubas (4-valves, I think they are also by Alexander), and another compensating Bb/F tuba (but this is the one, I will buy for myself). Interested people might write me privately make offers; I will transfer the offers to our management the deal can be made direct via email with our management. I will not be involved by no means, except checking the instruments. Prof.Hans Pizka, Pf.1136 D-85541 Kirchheim - Germany Fax: 49 89 903-9414 Phone: 903-9548 home: www.pizka.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] 10 piece brass ensemble files uploaded
The late Philip Jones pioneered the 10 piece brass ensemble format: 4 trumpets 1 horn 4 trombones 1 tuba A US/Chicago tuba friend plays in a such ensemble and called for more repertory for this format. Which inspired me to make some arrangements. Heinrich Schütz (1585 - 1672) wrote the cantata ³Die sieben Worte Jesu Christi am Kreuz² in Dresden in 1645. The opening Sinfonia is set for SATTB viols. I have previously made arrangements of this wonderful piece to which I have added 2 optional solo voices improvising/embellishing over the original setting. An optional continuo part set for guitar also has been added. One version is set for 5 tutti horns (a is the top note in the 1st horn part) with 2 optional solo horns. For the 10 piece format I have made 2 versions. One has the solo parts played by an A piccolo trumpet and a D trumpet. The other has the solo parts played an octave lower by a flugelhorn and a horn in F or Eb. All versions of the Schütz Sinfonia can be found here: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterBBb/files/Heinrich%20Sch%80% A0%A0%FCtz%20Jesu%207%20Worte%20Am%20Kreuz/ Another part of the 10 piece brass project has been a few excerpts from the 2nd act of Mozart's Magic Flute. So far #11 and #15 have been uploaded: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterBBb2/files/W.%20A.%20Mozart% 20-%20The%20Magic%20Flute/ My download homepage has a link for the index of all my uploaded music files (almost). You can download them for free when I have received your reply to my Welcome-mail. Players already approved of course have direct access. Klaus Bjerre of Denmark Retired teacher Free music files in .pdf format: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterBBb/ (Approved membership required) Index over brass instruments gallery and catalogue scans: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotosIII/files/ (Membership is open for all) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horn quartet/ensemble music
John: This is a wonderful piece with which I am familiar. I have an original copy for seven-part male voices. I may just have my horns read off that, transposing it as they go. Sincere THanks, Scott --- J Burch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:12 PM 3/6/04, Scott Pappal wrote: If any of you have favorite selections for sacred horn quartet music ... P.S. Instrumentation I'm looking for is between three and eight horn parts ... Coincidental timing. I just heard, two evenings ago, a cello septet that might serve. Ave Maria by Franz Xaver Biebl (1906-2001) Composed for male chorus in 1964 Arranged for cello septet by Elizabeth MacDonald, cello instructor at Washington University in St. Louis. Horn players can read that cello stuff, right? I'll find out the publisher for you if you're interested. - John Burch West suburban Chicago The surest sign that intelligent life exists in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us. Calvin of Calvin Hobbes - ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornhog%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: new horn maintenance
In a message dated 3/7/04 1:00:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, Hans Pizka writes: Very interesting, very interesting, but would you kindly tell the crowd, how horns owned by professionals as well as by amateur look like after a few weeks or months ? I could tell many stories from what I have seen If you mean scary stories, I guess I could tell quite a few. In general though, I'd say valve maintenance is pretty straightforward. Oil them reasonably, clean the horn out often enough and maybe most important, play every day. The people I know that do those things never have any valve trouble. Even people with bad acid breath. I think the worst problems happen when the horn sits unplayed. The valve oil evaporates but the moisture is still in there and starts to cause corrosion. You'd probably be safe with 6 or 10 hours of playing daily. Well ok maybe a little less. - Steve Mumford ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: new horn maintenance
What is bad acid breath? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/7/04 1:00:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, Hans Pizka writes: If you mean scary stories, I guess I could tell quite a few. In general though, I'd say valve maintenance is pretty straightforward. Oil them reasonably, clean the horn out often enough and maybe most important, play every day. The people I know that do those things never have any valve trouble. Even people with bad acid breath. I think the worst problems happen when the horn sits unplayed. The valve oil evaporates but the moisture is still in there and starts to cause corrosion. You'd probably be safe with 6 or 10 hours of playing daily. Well ok maybe a little less. - Steve Mumford ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornplayerjason%40yahoo.com - Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: new horn maintenance
At 7:58 PM -0800 3/7/04, Jason A Pawlak wrote: What is bad acid breath? Greetings - This web site is about acid breath. I suppose bad is simply a matter of degree. http://www.acidbreath.userhost.de/heller/1024x768.htm On the lighter side, here's a cartoon about an effect of acid breath. http://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/a/acid_breath.asp Here's an article titled Minimal bile acid malabsorption and normal bile acid breath . . . http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMeddopt=Abstra ctlist_uids=838220 Now, if that isn't enough, as my memory is taxed this late at night, you might try a Google search. Regards, Carlbewrg Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: new horn maintenance
So I recommend to pull off slides leave the case open for some days when planning to leave the horn unplayed for more than a short while. The horn can dry completely then. Just water it before resuming playing. = I think the worst problems happen when the horn sits unplayed. The valve oil evaporates but the moisture is still in there and starts to cause corrosion. You'd probably be safe with 6 or 10 hours of playing daily. Well ok maybe a little less. - Steve Mumford ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: new horn maintenance
Hold your hands against your breath smell. If it is too acid, you will smell it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason A Pawlak Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 4:58 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: new horn maintenance What is bad acid breath? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
