[Hornlist] wind octet + flute(s)
Dear list, besides Gounod's Petite Symphonie, are there any nice original pieces for wind octet plus one or two flutes? I'm looking for a completion to my wind ensemble's concert program. Thank you very much, -- Daniel Canarutto mathematical physicist dedicated amateur hornist http://www.dma.unifi.it/~canarutto/ (professional home page) http://www.corno.it (Il Club del Corno) http://www.amadeusorchestra.org (orchestra Amadeus - Firenze) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] horn quartet/ensemble music
A wonderful arrangement Faure arr.Ken Bell Pie Jesu from Requiem Published by Timber Ridge Music Marsha L. Palmer, Librarian West Virginia Symphony Orchestra One Clay Square Charleston, WV 25301 New Phone: 304-561-3519 New Fax: 304-561-3598 [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornhog%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/mpalmer%40theclaycenter.or g ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] wind octet + flute(s)
Gouvy - can't remember title - beautiful þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] wind octet + flute(s)
Daniel Canarutto wrote: Dear list, besides Gounod's Petite Symphonie, are there any nice original pieces for wind octet plus one or two flutes? I'm looking for a completion to my wind ensemble's concert program. Thank you very much, Hi Daniel, Some things I've played over the years and which I remember were quite nice: J. Andriessen Respiration Suite A. Caplet Suite Persane I. EroedCapriccio op.23 J. Françaix7 Dances from les malheurs de Sophie 9 pièces caractéristiques Th. GouvyPetite suite gauloise E. Hartmann Serenade op.43 F. Schmitt Lied Scherzo (with obligato horn part) Rosetti Parthia in D There's also loads and loads of arrangements out there, but you asked for original pieces. Michiel van der Linden ex-wind ensemble member, Bruges, Belgium ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Acid Breath/Rotor oiling etc
Carlberg Jones wrote; ( and he did say he was tired, signing himself 'Carlbewrg'! ) This web site is about acid breath. I suppose bad is simply a matter of degree. http://www.acidbreath.userhost.de/heller/1024x768.htm That link must have been found by a Google search and put up purely because it contained the words acid breath since the link takes you to a site about a 'band' called er, Acid Breath and I don't think I saw a horn player amongst their number.. the cartoon however was relevant ;-) Surely acid breath and bad breath (viz the recommendation of sniffing your exhale with the hand in front of the mouth which as far as I can see only lets you smell the flavour of your hand) are not the same thing? There are people who have acid skin, those who turn silver black by contact with the skin and those who have halitosis who should not play a wind instrument! (At least not in company) The acid skin does seem to vary as a personal chemistry thing - I remember I used to turn silver black for a while in the late 70's, but not any more - perhaps I'm healthier now.. On my favourite hobby horse of Listers failing to read implement the suggestion that they ONLY include text relevant to their particular subject - can I also ask that those who normally use Rich Text or HTML, simply use PLAIN TEXT for sending to the List to make reading the lines as they should have been sent, easier than trawling through the =20 and =3D=3D=3D rubbish which accompanies so many messages. Come on people, it only takes a few seconds and makes things much easier for everyone. I have a new Alex which recently has been playing me up whilst in rehearsal for the Fidelio Overture, the 2nd horn (moi) has the tune as solo in the first Allegro passage - in E (tricky one) and there was my 3rd valve feeling like it had metal shavings in it and actually jamming during the playing. It's a poor excuse to say after the failure that my valve stuck when everyone knows I'm playing a new horn! The maintenance booklet says, If you play your instrument daily or nearly every day you should never have to add oil to the interior valves. Permanent use use keeps the valves moist inside at all times and prevents crystallisation, the cause of rotor blocking. I spoke briefly to my repairman at the concert on Saturday (Keith Burdett) and he volunteered to have a check on them - he said sometimes they make them too tight. I'm willing to let him check - I never thought I'd feel blocking in a new horn of this quality. Should I be looking at softer bumpers than the factory fitted ones whilst he has it? He told me once that cork was better than neoprene(rubber) because the stopping was less of an abrupt shock to the rotor as the cork cushioned better... Any views here? Regards, Paul Fox UK ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Acid Breath/Rotor oiling etc
In a message dated 08/03/2004 19:05:10 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Come on people, it only takes a few seconds and makes things much easier for everyone. No it doesn't. All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Acid Breath/Rotor oiling etc
At 7:03 PM + 3/8/04, Corenut wrote: . . . whilst in rehearsal for the Fidelio Overture, the 2nd horn (moi) has the tune as solo in the first Allegro passage - in E (tricky one) and there was my 3rd valve feeling like it had metal shavings in it and actually jamming during the playing. Greetings - Of course, you knew you can play that passage 123 on Bb horn? If you wanted to get the written F in tune, just lift the first and second valves. Regards, Carlberg Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Acid Breath/Rotor oiling etc
On 8 Mar 2004, at 7:14 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No it doesn't. Yes it does. HTH Tom ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE Daniel Carruto
Daniel Canarutto wrote: Dear list, besides Gounod's Petite Symphonie, are there any nice original pieces for wind octet plus one or two flutes? I'm looking for a completion to my wind ensemble's concert program. Thank you very much, Daniel, Try getting in touch with the woodwind quintet of the USAF Band of Mid-America at Scott Air Force Base near St. Louis (sorry, I don't have contact info easily at hand). I recently did a double quintet performance with them of a really nice arrangement of a Dvorak Czech Suite. Dr. Timothy F. Thompson, Professor of Music http://www.uark.edu/depts/uamusic/html/Thompson_Timothy.htm MB 340, Music Building Department of Music University of Arkansas, Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-5762 Principal Horn, North Arkansas Symphony http://www.nasymphony.org Lyrique Quintette http://uark.edu/ua/lyrique/index.htm Boston Mountain Brassworks ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] date a piston horn
Hello can anybody help me to put a date on a single F piston horn I have it reads on the bell:EXCELSIOR SONOROUS CLASS A HAWKES AND SON DENSMAN STREET PICADILLY CIRCUS LONDON 43731 When I got the horn (off ebay) they dated it 1895 but would like to varify it if thats possible from the no ?? Regards Colin ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/colin-waylett%40terra.es ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] date a piston horn
In a message dated 3/8/2004 2:11:57 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello can anybody help me to put a date on a single F piston horn I have it reads on the bell:EXCELSIOR SONOROUS CLASS A HAWKES AND SON DENSMAN STREET PICADILLY CIRCUS LONDON 43731 When I got the horn (off ebay) they dated it 1895 but would like to varify it if thats possible from the no ?? Regards Colin Hi Colin, According to the New Langwill Index: Hawkes and Son were under that name at the Densman Street, Picadilly Circus, London address from 1895 to 1930. They merged with Boosey in 1930 to form Boosey Hawkes. IF the 43731 is a serial number and IF the Hawkes Brass serial numbers apply, the number would date the horn to approximately 1918-1922, according to one source. The Boosey Hawkes company may be able to give you more information. Hope this helps. Regards,Jerry in Kansas City ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Acid Breath/Rotor oiling etc
Paul, Paul, Carlberg Jones also, Why making things so complicated for that little 2nd horn solo in the Fidelio Ouverture (I played it in concert first tuíme when I was 14 !!). Did you both forget the F-horn fingerings ??? Just 2nd valve (horn in E) except for the written f2 ( concert a1), which is an open note on the F-side. If you do not feel so safe with the top note f#2 just on F-horn 2nd valve, you might employ the thumb valve for this climax note, but staying on the 2nd valve. Very simple solution. You use a double horn, but you dont use it. That´s the problem. Not the factory dust, not the sluggish valve action. == Paul Fox wrote: I have a new Alex which recently has been playing me up whilst in rehearsal for the Fidelio Overture, the 2nd horn (moi) has the tune as solo in the first Allegro passage - in E (tricky one) and there was my 3rd valve feeling like it had metal shavings in it and actually jamming during the playing. It's a poor excuse to say after the failure that my valve stuck when everyone knows I'm playing a new horn! The maintenance booklet says, If you play your instrument daily or nearly every day you should never have to add oil to the interior valves. Permanent use use keeps the valves moist inside at all times and prevents crystallisation, the cause of rotor blocking. Regards, Paul Fox UK ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] wind octet + flute(s)
I can't remember the composer correctly off hand, it's either Malcom Arnold, arnold jacobs or gordon jacob(s?), but it's Old Wine in New Bottles . Very cool with great horn parts. Maybe it was Vaughn-Williams. Also there are probably arrangements of general harmonie ensemble things for double wind quintet or however they might designate a harmonie ensemble with flutes. I might even have a recording of such an arrangement although I don't have access to it at the moment. Another piece that comes to mind is the Verne Reynolds transcription of the Little Symphony,(I think). transcribed from piano, all of the parts are very well written and idiomatic. I know there is an arrangement of Carmen for this double wind quintet. We had a concert with a double quintet last year for a large university dinner and we programed these pieces. I can get the correct info from our conductor if you'd like. Chris --- Michiel van der Linden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Canarutto wrote: Dear list, besides Gounod's Petite Symphonie, are there any nice original pieces for wind octet plus one or two flutes? I'm looking for a completion to my wind ensemble's concert program. Thank you very much, Hi Daniel, Some things I've played over the years and which I remember were quite nice: J. Andriessen Respiration Suite A. Caplet Suite Persane I. EroedCapriccio op.23 J. Françaix7 Dances from les malheurs de Sophie 9 pièces caractéristiques Th. GouvyPetite suite gauloise E. Hartmann Serenade op.43 F. Schmitt Lied Scherzo (with obligato horn part) Rosetti Parthia in D There's also loads and loads of arrangements out there, but you asked for original pieces. Michiel van der Linden ex-wind ensemble member, Bruges, Belgium ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: New Horn Maintenance
In a message dated 3/7/2004 1:53:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, But how can you tell if the horn has factory dust left in? Are there tell tale sings I would notice or something? No manufacturer could possibly survive sending out a significant number of instruments that are going to require factory warrantee service, or be obviously degraded, just from being played. I don't have specific first hand knowledge of particular manufacturers, but I can make pretty good guesses from having set up many similar manufacturing operations. Cleaning out lapping residue is a difficult shop operation. All this work would be completed before the horn is assembled. Since the parts are all the same, specific tools and procedures would be scrupulously developed and used, followed by rigid inspection. Likewise, contamination from assembly soldering would be closely controlled. The one place where problems could slip through would be in rework of finished instruments that don't pass final assembly. Rework of a sticky valve or leaky solder joint would undoubtedly contaminate the instrument and require re cleaning outside of the normal procedure. This is much harder to control because it falls outside standard procedure, and requires operator intelligence and diligence, rare qualities to be found at a factory wage. My inclination, as an inquisitive engineer, would be to disassemble the horn and personally clean and hand polish all the parts. That is the best inspection procedure I know for evaluating a used instrument. Short of that, I'd push clean white cloth through the bore looking for deposits. Look closely at what turns up, particularly look for particulate material. If there is anything that's going to cause serious damage, you're going to feel it when you operate the valves. If you feel grating, and you keep working the valves, chances are you're too stupid to benefit from these simple instructions. Take the valves apart and do a thorough cleaning. If you're unsure of your abilities, it's not difficult. If you post what you're attempting on the net, you'll have several knowledgeable people offering friendly help within minutes. In a pinch, you can do the whole job with a butter knife and a wooden spoon, as long as you pick a butter knife that fits the screws properly. The actual cleaning is done with a snake brush and cotton swabs and cloth or paper towels using dishwasing liquid and brasso to clean and polish. Chances are, you won't have to do any polishing, just soaking, scrubbing, and flushing. At worst, you might have to take all the parts to a technician to be reassembled, but you'll know you spent enough time to really get things clean. Save the dirty swabs with the original sludge, and the last clean swabs, to show the technician. They will tell him more detail than you can. Watch the reassembly so you can do it all next time. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] wind octet + flute(s)
It's by Gordon Jacob and published by OUP. It's scored for double wind quintet plus 2 trumpets. Another piece to consider is Chansons et danses, Op. 50 for flute, oboe, 2 clarinets, horn and 2 bassoons by Vincent D'Indy. It's published by Editions Durand. Cheers, Steven Ovitsky www.sotone.com Chris Tedesco wrote: I can't remember the composer correctly off hand, it's either Malcom Arnold, arnold jacobs or gordon jacob(s?), but it's Old Wine in New Bottles . Very cool with great horn parts. Maybe it was Vaughn-Williams. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] wind octet + flute(s)
The piece I played didn't have two trumpets, so perhaps it's another arrangement or they are optional. Worth checking out. Chris --- Steven Ovitsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's by Gordon Jacob and published by OUP. It's scored for double wind quintet plus 2 trumpets. Another piece to consider is Chansons et danses, Op. 50 for flute, oboe, 2 clarinets, horn and 2 bassoons by Vincent D'Indy. It's published by Editions Durand. Cheers, Steven Ovitsky www.sotone.com Chris Tedesco wrote: I can't remember the composer correctly off hand, it's either Malcom Arnold, arnold jacobs or gordon jacob(s?), but it's Old Wine in New Bottles . Very cool with great horn parts. Maybe it was Vaughn-Williams. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: new horn maintenance
In a message dated 3/8/04 1:00:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, Hans Pizka writes: Wash the horn through as I told you. Do it carefully. You will see nothing coming out. Often the factory dust is the dirt accumulated by the many careless people who tried the horn for weeks but returned the horn, and on and on. The shop keeper never cleaned the horn out after use nor did the trying person. This is not dirt but ugly left overs from fellow players. Clean it out use a micro fibre towel to whip away the water drops. Micro fibre towel is available in super markets. Don't get hysterical about stupid old stories which might be true, but only for every hundredth horn or less. I guess I won't waste my typing fingers trying to convince Hans, he's too stubborn to ever admit anything he doesn't know might still be true, but for those who might care about their horns, I'm not making this up. Sorry Hans, I'm up to my elbows in the innards of these horns every day and I haven't hallucinated much since the 70s. It's not true of all brands and I'd hate to mention names but their initials are H, C and sometimes Y. It's not dirt from people who have tried the horn before. I've seen it in horns that have never been played exept by the factory tester. And there's often a LOT of it. I figure it's probably mostly buffing compound which is not easy to completely clean out and especially the US factories are not doing it very successfully. Sorry again, regular cleaning that you can do without disassembling the valves isn't going to get it. That's why nothing comes out. Take a rotor out and run a cloth down to the bottom of the casing. It will come out with all kinds of black stuff on it. Wipe an inner tuning slide tube off with a clean cloth, more black stuff. It's not soluble in water. It's not very soluble with soap. Your cleaning snake can't reach it, but valve oil will melt it free and it makes a nice grinding compound for your valves. OK, I don't have the spare time to argue it anymore so if you believe it, fine. If you don't, hey, it's not MY horn. - Steve Mumford PS Acid breath = people who corrode a horn completely green just by walking into the same room with it! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
