RE: [Hornlist] Re: Cocoa Butter Chapstick
It is amazing that everything seems to be thought as done extensively, or is done extensively if recommended. Is the whole younger world going crazy. Just lick over your lip once - if you feel them dry - helps. If the air is not dry, licking is not necessary. Everything done just normal is good, everything exaggerated is of evil. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:08 AM To: Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Cocoa Butter Chapstick Licking lips excessively will eventually cause them to chafe. Many lip balms contain ingredients that could compromise their response and flexibility. I have used lip moisturizer (CF22) from Mary Kay Cosmetics for several years. Although a little pricy, It moisturizes well and contains no compromising ingredients. It comes in a small container, not in stick form. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect....
Paper is paper, ink is ink, but playing is playing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect Hello again, I would like to know how much my high school grades effect me getting accepted into a colleges music program. Thanks, Mike ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect....
Mike, >From my own personal experience, my grades didn't come in to play until I went for the big scholarships. My first choice in colleges was a very expensive private school. After my audition, the horn prof. was very excited. After I told him that I had scored a 31 on my ACT, he started talking full-ride. Then he looked at my transcripts 2.99 on a 4.00 scale and his face fell. The music department had an iron-clad rule that incoming freshmen had to have a 3.0 or greater in order to receive a full ride scholarship. I ended up going to my second choice school, where I was miserable for a year until I transferred out to the college where I finished my undergrad. Everything has worked out for the best, but I have enormous loans to pay that would be either non-existent or much smaller if I had simply turned in 2 more Latin homework assignments and gotten 3 more questions correct on my AP Psych final. If this question of yours has come about as a result of a "discussion" with one of your parents, listen to them. I can clearly remember standing in the kitchen and loudly telling my parents that there was no reason for me to study for the AP Psych final since I'd already been accepted into the schools I wanted to get into. Man, was I ever stupid. My laziness kept me from doing a lot of really neat things during college since I was always working full time to make my loan payments. None of this has stopped me from pursuing and attaining my goals, but it sure has made things a lot harder than they needed to be. In shortGET YOUR GRADES UP AND KEEP THEM THERE. Regards, Josh - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 9:21 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect >Hello again, >I would like to know how much my high school grades effect me getting > accepted into a colleges music program. > >Thanks, >Mike > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornpreux%40hotmail.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Cocoa Butter Chapstick
Licking lips excessively will eventually cause them to chafe. Many lip balms contain ingredients that could compromise their response and flexibility. I have used lip moisturizer (CF22) from Mary Kay Cosmetics for several years. Although a little pricy, It moisturizes well and contains no compromising ingredients. It comes in a small container, not in stick form. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect....
your grades have nothing to do with you getting into the music program tha's by audition, your grades only affect whether you get accepted to the university. In some cases people get accepted to the school of music and not the university and vice versa, but you have to be accepted into both to attend the schoool. Did that help? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect....
Hello again, I would like to know how much my high school grades effect me getting accepted into a colleges music program. Thanks, Mike ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Silver or laquer for better pitch center
Dear List, Would you recommend silver plating or clear laquer for a better pitch center (especially on higher notes) on my 1982 Holton H190? Who should I get to do the work (stuck valves, too). The horn hasn't been played in years. Please reply to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for your wisdom, as I have been away from my horn for too long and can't wait to get my chops back. -- Tony Bernard Music Ministries Director St. Andrew United Methodist Church 3455 Canton Rd. Marietta, Ga 30066 770-926-3488 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Career on Horn performance
I suggest you talk with the music director at your school and find out if your county or state has instrumental competitions, evaluations, youth orchestra, etc., and become involved with them. You need to seek out opportunities to perform music that is difficult for you - not 'impossible stuff', but music that will force you grow rapidly as a musician. Best Wishes, Jay Kosta Endwell NY USA ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: 1943 Conn
But not as many as Mr. Harris did. Gotha go (Sorry!!) Benno On Monday, May 24, 2004, at 11:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buescher also made compasses and bombsites during WW2. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: 1943 Conn
Buescher also made compasses and bombsites during WW2. KB In a message dated 5/24/04 12:01:16 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: from: "Leonard & Peggy Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] 1943 Conn Here is a nice 1943 C.G. Conn on Ebay that looks in good condition. So far it is only up to $56.00! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=585&item=2245770829&rd= 1 LB ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect....
Michael, how old are you know ? Around sixteen ? Or past sixteen ? What have you mastered regarding horn playing already ? Just the beginning or not even that at a reasonable result. Playing & playing are two different pair of shoes. Right. Do really think of a professional career as a horn player, landing in a class A orchestra to make a decent living just by playing horn ? Is´nt that out of question at the moment, absolutely ? A professional career can be discussed, as soon as you mastered all the requirements to enter the conservatory or music academy, just with a finger snip. Not more. But with all your problems, you are far away from that. As others said before, just the best of the best will make it to the conservatory or the music academy. And the best of the graduated students will even land in professional orchestras under certain conditions: if the right chance comes in the right time AND if you are prepared to win at the top just that particular time. This means: Concentrating exclusively to the study of the instrument, including music theory, music history, society history, art history, listening & listening again to other players, compete permanently with class mates & others, younger or elder. Attending a lot of parties will be a great NO NO. Games will be a big No No. What to do, if the nervous costume is not the best ? Well, attend courses in pedagogy, learning technique, systhematic, informatic (computer science or at least working with several programs = as I say that, I mean really working with programs, knowing them very very well). These side studies will enable you to make a living also as music manager or teacher or administrator or etc. As I say that, I think of that only the super best should go for principal positions where most things most work spontaneously NOT by HARD WORK only. This would & is resulting in total musical crampness & invariability. If you have to arrange prepare EVERYTHING, you will shoot yourself from the principal chair. This could be continued ad infinitum. But I am sure, most people on the list, special the students, will oppose to what I said above, oppose because of lack of information, oppose just to oppose, or oppose because they think they know all much better. But they will get their "fat" at the next audition. This, Michael, is just a warning. Better think of becoming a decent or good player & rethink the whole idea, after you have played your first concert with a semi professional orchestra, study again, rethink it many times. It would save you a lot of head ache & a lot of your health. Come back asking the same questions as you did, but after you have mastered the college level. I do not try to intimidate you, but to tell you the truth nothing else. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 7:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect Hey everyone, My mom brought to attention my plans for my future horn playing career I was wondering how my highschool grades affected my chances of getting accepted into a colleges music program and such. What I had in mind was to perform on horn as my career, my main goal. If I get a performance major, its just a degree, how does it help me to get into orchestras? After or during college, how do I get my foot through the door to start getting paying full time Orchestra positions? After my 4 years of getting a bachelors in performance could I get my orchestra job and pay the bills or what? Thanks for your info, Mike ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] A Playing career.
Hello, all. I can not resist putting in a word or two, here. If you do not have a teacher who is a performer, AND who can tell AND show you how it is done, then find one, as soon as yesterday, or sooner!! And get a copy of two books (many others are good, but these two are essential) for the horn, if you are not already using them. They are: 1. Philip Farkas, 'The Art of Playing French Horn' and 2. A book called 'Standley Routine', which illustrates the daily practice routine used by Forrest Standley, for the most of his career. And I would think AT LEAST three hours of practice, daily, at least nine days a week, and 35 days a month!!In other words, do not let anything get in the way of your daily work-out! No respectable pro foot-ball player would skip a day of his physical routine, so why should you?? But get that teacher, and keep him/her smiling at your continued progress!! At least, then, you will not be shortening your chances, yourself!! It is a tough game, and only the persistent and prepared can get in!!Wail on, pilgrim!! Good fortune to you!! Joe Duke ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] microphones
I know this topic has been discussed before but I never really heard the answer to the question that I have. I have a nice little recording system in my possession, but the microphone that came along is definitely not for recording instruments. I would like to purchase a better microphone to use with my horn. My budget allows for the microphone to be no more than $150. I have no clue at all about microphones or what makes a good/bad one, or what would make one better for instrumental than another. Any information would be great, and any recommendation would be wonderful too. Thanks, Jason - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Thank you, horn list, and Hans!!
Hello, Hans and all. I am most impressed with your web-page, which I had not seen, before today!I had heard about it, but had not gone to look!! I am glad to know what your horns look like, and they are very fine looking, indeed! So, I am going to look around on all your pages, as time allows, and get to comprehend all the good 'stuff' you offer, there!! Thanks for the info!! Joe Duke ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Making it as a pro - or not
Try it at the drug store next door, but ask also for "Ibindum" or "Dumia", but never try to do so in Bavaria or Austria. You would wonder ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Corenut Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 6:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Making it as a pro - or not Margaret Dikel wrote: "Chutzpah counts for a lot." Is this something I can buy in the Chemist's or does it come from abroad/alternative therapist etc.? Paul ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] NIDCD Audio Test
Found this on the website for the National Institute on Deafness and Other Communication Disorders at NIH. Test Your Sense of Pitch http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/tunetest/ "Want to test your own sense of pitch? We've developed an online version of the Distorted Tunes Test, a standardized survey in use for over 50 years. In it, you'll listen to a series of snippets from well-known tunessome of which have been distorted by changing various notes' pitch. Your task is to pick out the incorrectly played tunes." Margaret Dikel JCCSO Librarian / Horn 11218 Ashley Drive, Rockville MD 20852 301-881-0122 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect....
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering how my highschool grades affected my chances of getting accepted into a colleges music program and such. If you want to study at a state school or private academic-heavy university it often matters A LOT. You have to be accepted into the university AND the music program. Private conservatories often don't have as high standards for grades, but have a HIGHER standard for performance! If I get a performance major, its just a degree, how does it help me to get into orchestras? If that degree made you practice a lot, it probably will help. The piece of paper that says "Bachelor of Music" won't do anything by itself. After or during college, how do I get my foot through the door to start getting paying full time Orchestra positions? Try to get gigs playing for small-town orchestras. Try to get on the sub list for better orchestras. Anything that gives you some playing experience helps, but it won't get you a full-time job; only practice will do that. After my 4 years of getting a bachelors in performance could I get my orchestra job and pay the bills or what? Probably not. If you practice hard enough though, you might. None of this was meant to be discouraging. There are a lot of horn players who are trying to get full-time orchestra jobs. Most of them never get them. Many of them make a decent living doing other musical things. Many others make a decent living doing non-musical things. Greg ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Age of pre-letter series Conn 8D
Hi, A former horn student of mine is wondering about the age of his Conn 8-D. The serial number is 655896. He is guessing that the horn was made about 1957. Any further wisdom on this? Thanks! Carolyn Clark ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Making it as a pro - or not
Margaret Dikel wrote: "Chutzpah counts for a lot." Is this something I can buy in the Chemist's or does it come from abroad/alternative therapist etc.? Paul ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect....
At 02:36 AM 5/24/2004, Mike wrote: Hey everyone, My mom brought to attention my plans for my future horn playing career I was wondering how my highschool grades affected my chances of getting accepted into a colleges music program and such. What I had in mind was to perform on horn as my career, my main goal. If I get a performance major, its just a degree, how does it help me to get into orchestras? After or during college, how do I get my foot through the door to start getting paying full time Orchestra positions? After my 4 years of getting a bachelors in performance could I get my orchestra job and pay the bills or what? Mike, I'd start your search for answers to your questions with this article from the Occupational Outlook Handbook, published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics... http://stats.bls.gov/oco/ocos095.htm Quoting from the article... -- Significant Points Part-time schedules and intermittent unemployment are common; many musicians supplement their income with earnings from other sources. Aspiring musicians begin studying an instrument or training their voices at an early age. Competition for jobs is keen; those who can play several instruments and perform a wide range of music styles should enjoy the best job prospects. Employment Musicians, singers, and related workers held about 215,000 jobs in 2002. Almost 40 percent worked part time, and more than one third were self-employed. Many found jobs in cities in which entertainment and recording activities are concentrated, such as New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Nashville. Musicians, singers, and related workers are employed in a variety of settings. Of those who earn a wage or salary, more than one half are employed by religious organizations and one fourth by performing arts companies, such as professional orchestras, small chamber music groups, opera companies, musical theater companies, and ballet troupes. -- No one is saying that you should give up now and look for a better job field, but you should know the outlook and the options. Be aware that the full time jobs are highly competitive, the competition is highly talented, and that talent is only part of what you need to get a job. Chutzpah counts for a lot, as does networking. But I know a lot of musicians who take all kinds of smaller gigs and teach and do not need to supplement their income by working at McDonalds. And remember that there are a lot of jobs in music besides performing. You Mom can either support you or discourage you. If she is willing to support you (like my parents did), she'll help you find the best teacher and the time to practice that you need. Then she'll help you choose the best college and help you pay for it. She'll even insist you get a degree, not just a certificate. Finally, she'll be supportive as you take auditions and work hard to survive while working to get established in this field. And she won't be upset if, after several years, you decide to go into another field because she'll know you did your best, had a great time, and still love music. And her. Margaret Margaret Dikel JCCSO Librarian / Horn 11218 Ashley Drive, Rockville MD 20852 301-881-0122 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect....
Hi Mike, Dave Weiner made a very important point: > You have chosen a career path that requires you to be among the > very best. > Orchestral jobs are few and far between - animals hunted almost > to extinction. This can't be stressed enough. I'll give you my perspective as somebody who in the end decided *not* to go into the profession after having seriously considered it. I got a degree in another subject (electronic engineering) before going on to do a 2-year postgraduate performing course on the horn at the Royal College of Music. I had had private lessons for several years with a couple of very fine teachers (Hugh Seenan and later Douglas Moore). I was seriously considering a career in the profession and wanted to find out how good I could really get. In the event I decided that a music career was not for me. Part of that decision was based on a back-of-an-envelope calculation that went like this. - I worked out roughly how many salaried positions there were for horn players in the UK, in all the regular orchestras, by counting the number of orchestras and multiplying by 6. - By a similar method, I worked out roughly how many horn players were graduating from all the music colleges each year. - With these figures, I calculated that there were enough players graduating to fill the entire profession in the UK every 3 years or so. Maybe double that time if you account for all the freelance jobs as well. - Assuming that a successful player would occupy one or other of those salaried positions for perhaps 30 or 40 years, then it was clear that I needed to be in the top 10% or so of those *graduating* from college in order to have a decent chance of making it. (Those figures might be off a little either way, but I'm sure they are accurate enough to give the correct overall impression.) I wasn't in that class, and there were too many other interesting things to do with my life for me to be willing to make the kind of single-minded effort that might or might not have raised me to that level. So I abandoned thoughts of a playing career, and have had no cause to regret the decision. I also do not regret in any way the time I spent at the RCM, as it enabled me to make that decision on a fully informed basis. I now thoroughly enjoy my playing as an amateur, and the training I received at the RCM and before means that I can cope with most of the technical and musical demands that might be made of me in the amateur music world. Music performance is one of the few occupations where the practical standard required for entry to the profession significantly exceeds the level necessary to attain any formal qualifications you might pick up along the way. As far as I am aware, auditioning panels for professional orchestras really aren't much interested in formal qualifications. They are interested in how you sound (in terms of tone, musicality, sight-reading ability etc), what your playing experience is, and whether they think you will fit into the section. Now, you might really be good enough for the profession. Even if you are judged now to have the potential, probably there will be no way of knowing whether you will actually achieve necessary standard unless and until you try. If you are set on this, then go for it and good luck! But be aware that the majority even of those who graduate will not make it as professionals, and that you may need an alternative career and another way of paying the bills. That might be in teaching or some other non-playing career in the musical world, or in something completely unrelated to music. Good luck! Regards Jonathan West ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Career on Horn performance, HS grades, degrees, ect....
In a message dated 5/24/2004 2:37:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I had in mind was to perform on horn as my career, my main goal. Mike, You just opened a topic we can discuss for the whole summer. You asked a lot of good questions, and there are some people on the list who really know the answers. I hope they respond. I just have some general advice, and I give this to every student who asks me these questions: You have chosen a career path that requires you to be among the very best. Orchestral jobs are few and far between - animals hunted almost to extinction. In any such career, in any field, you need four essential things. 1. Talent - you must have this. In sports, they say you can't coach speed. This is pretty much true in music, too. If you haven't got the chops, you may attain a certain level of proficiency, and that's fine, but you won't get to the top. 2. A mentor who can develop your talent - Take a look at where and with whom the top professionals studied. These teachers know how to make you into an orchestral player. Try to study with one of them. 3. Hard work - I have never met a top professional who hadn't worked hard to get where he or she was. Never. Not one. Work hard if you want to get there. 4. Good luck - Some people have the bad luck to have bad things happen, and it ruins their careers. Some people have good luck, or at least nothing bad happens to them. Sometimes chance controls our fates. You can only control #3, and to a lesser extent #2. Work hard and find an excellent teacher. Everything else will sort itself out. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited, Inc. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
