[HornList] Valve Weight

2004-12-04 Thread Ray and Sonja Crenshaw
> ...make a simple sketch of what... the rotor looks like inside
> With the sketch, you'll have a place to notate the individual
> dimensions as you estimate

(SNIP!)

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Then Carl Bang said:

> naked rotor weighs in at 2.3 oz

Yep, that was pretty much what I was looking for. While it's a cinch to
get weight charts for brass rod off the net, I didn't think I could get
very close with figuring the port cutouts. The bloomin' things don't
weigh that much to begin with, so being off a couple of ounces wouldn't
be of much help.

Thanks everybody,

jrc in SC

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[Hornlist] Re: Conn lead pipes - Thanks for responses

2004-12-04 Thread Marcer97
Thanks all for your informative comments.  I guess the thing to do is call my 
local repairman (Randy Ulmer) and have him order a stock Conn pipe direct 
from the factory. It seems that the responses imply that the quality of the new 
Conn pipes should be pretty consistent so there is no need to sample a few 
before selecting one.

Thanks again for those who offered advice (or their lead pipes).

Best,

Marc Cerri
NYC
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[Hornlist] Second Chance Scam (EBAY)

2004-12-04 Thread Leonard & Peggy Brown
Hi,
  I have sold about 300 times on Ebay so far.  If a buyer backs out I can
offer the item to the next highest bidder with a "Second Chance" offer
through Ebay.  Ebay does this to keep me from contacting the buyers directly
and cutting Ebay's sale profit.

This week a few of us got Second Chance offers on a horn we had bid for.  My
bid was so low I really didn't understand why they would consider selling it
to me on the bounce.

This was a scam, I was lucky in that I knew the seller and his address did
not match the second chance offer's sellers.

A bigger Scam clue was that the instructions were to contact the Second
Chance seller directly.   There is no reason Ebay would do this, it would
cut into their profit for a direct sale to take place with Ebay out of the
loop.

If you get a Second Chance offer that tells you to respond directly to the
seller it is a scam.  If you get one that makes you work through Ebay it is
most likely legit.

Regards,
Leonard in Laredo

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[Hornlist] Now HOLTON lead pipes...

2004-12-04 Thread Ray and Sonja Crenshaw
I need a leadpipe for my Holton H-179. If you have one that you 
keep tripping over and that you've sworn to sell before one
more year goes by, now may be your last chance.

Let me know,

jrc in SC
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[Hornlist] Re: Unaccompanied Horn

2004-12-04 Thread Xwing2231
A senior here at Capital recently performed the Heiden Sonata.  Here  are the 
program notes she used.
 
 
"Sonata for Horn and Piano was written in 1939 for Theodore Seder, the  first 
horn of the Detroit Symphony that year.  It begins in 2/2 time, using  the 
piano to highlight changes throughout the movement.  Contrasting  periods of 
calm and energy carry the movement to it's final half-time statement  of the 
theme.  The second movement is a minuet, with a vivace section  contrasting 
horn 
and piano, and a soothing coda.  The finale is a  dance-like rondo showing 
independence of horn and piano parts."
 
Hope that is helpful.
 
Michael Moore
Student
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Re: [HornList] Valve Weight

2004-12-04 Thread Carl Bangs
naked rotor weighs in at 2.3 oz.
Carl Bangs
shade tree horn mechanic
Ray and Sonja Crenshaw wrote:
A, mates and maties! (insert vague, pointless pirate music
soundtrack here)
If any of you guys happen to have a valve rotor from double horn laying
around, and you happen to see a postal scale sitting nearby, then you're
who I'm looking for.
Would you please stick a valve rotor on the postal scale and tell my how
much it weighs?
I realize the weight wouldn't be the same for all horns, but I'm
thinking they'd be close... with the exception of the those tiny change
valves on Conn 8d horns and their cousins.
I could take my Holton apart and check this, but I'd rather not.
However, if no one answers, I'm going to.
Thanks,
jrc in SC (who does, thank you, also work on his own car)
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Re: [HornList] Valve Weight

2004-12-04 Thread Billbamberg
Don't bother with taking a horn apart.  Set up a simple calculation.  The web 
will have any numbers you need, and you can probably get within a few percent 
if you hold a ruler up to the horn and estimate internal dimensions.  Do you 
remember those formulas they taught you in high school?  They're on the web, 
too, if you're not quite sure.  You might get better accuracy if you make a 
simple sketch of what you are pretty the rotor looks like inside. With the 
sketch, you'll have a place to notate the individual dimensions as you estimate 
them.  At this point, the complex rotor will be reduced to a collection very 
simple shapes.  Calculate the weight of each shape using the density of the 
rotor material, and add them together to get the total weight of the rotor.

If you want to check your accuracy, take the horn apart, weigh the rotor, and 
see how close you came. At least, that's how this rocket scientist would 
approach the problem.
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