RE: [Hornlist] Giardinelli C4 or C1
I'm looking for the old version C1 or C4 mouthpiece cup. Here: http://www.giardinelli.com/srs7/g=brass/s=french/search?c=6968 you will see Giardinelli C4 in both one- and two-piece designs and for very little money, too. I do not what, if any, difference there is between the current production and the old version however. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Osman Music?
On Thursday, January 20, 2005, at 12:14 AM, Karl Feinauer wrote: I think I am spelling the name wrong. Right. It is Osmun. PM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Osman Music?
When you call, be sure to ask for Donny or Marie.-AC. At 08:57 AM 1/20/2005, you wrote: On Thursday, January 20, 2005, at 12:14 AM, Karl Feinauer wrote: I think I am spelling the name wrong. Right. It is Osmun. PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 1/19/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Giardinelli C4 or C1
John Stork, no question. Hoss writes: Hi List, I'm looking for the old version C1 or C4 mouthpiece cup. Does anyone know where I can find one? Either new or used. Who makes the best copy these days? If a C1 is not available, what is the closest copy of this mouthpiece and where can I buy it? Thanks for your time, ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Osman brasses
These exotic brasses are sorely under-researched. However there is a bit of photo documentation available on the web: http://www.brightbomb.com/Magnets/OTTOMANBUGLERSWEB.jpg The same site also provides comfort for those longing for the golden days of the mellopschonium: http://www.brightbomb.com/Magnets/R-BRS-1.jpg Klaus ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Osman Music? Hand Guard
I wanted to order a custom fitted Conn 8D hand guard, and I remember seeing one on their website. Problem is I forgot it, and I can't find them. I think I am spelling the name wrong. If you are looking for a hand guard take a look at the cleb strap first, they look really nice! http://www.clebschstrap.com Richard Burdick 1st Horn Regina Symphony Regina, SK Canada ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Osman Music?
Karl F wonders Does anyone know what the website for Osman music is, and is that even the right name? I wanted to order a custom fitted Conn 8D hand guard, and I remember seeing one on their website. Problem is I forgot it, and I can't find them. I think I am spelling the name wrong. ** Osman, he de mun. Osmun, he de man. Cabbage me de veggie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Lessons being taught on horn list
Well, from my statistics, at my school I am the only horn student eager enough to recieve email post from the horn list or even research horn information on the web. I actually gave a presentation on the resources available to horn on the internet, seldom do other horn students spark interest in just investigating horn on the internet. As for my horn professors livelihood and career, he's shooting 12:1. Maybe people are getting tired of hearing the same old, I have a solo competition coming up how do I fix this, maybe the best thing is to direct them to the list archive? The same thing that MS. Karen Does on the Tom Bacon site. IF the students are ambitious enough, they will search it and figure things out. Thanks to all of the contributors out there that DO openly contribute to the list and answer our repetitive questions time and time again. Hoss ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Lessons being taught on horn list
In a message dated 20/01/2005 17:07:14 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for my horn professors livelihood and career, he's shooting 12:1. What does this mean? All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Osman brasses
Klaus Bjerre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote re: Osman brasses Are these anything like Osmin basses? 'Solche Hergelauf'ne Laffen' Cheers, Steven Ovitsky ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] THUMB LEVER FOR A CONN 10D
Hello all, I have just purchased a Conn 10D (ex demo). It is in very good condition. I am no stranger to this model as I previously owned one (circa approx 1989) some 3 years ago. I regret ever selling it. My question to everyone who is familiar with this horn is. Has Conn (UMI) changed the fourth (Change) valve thumb key lever from being a one piece (with the exception of where it links to the Stop Arm), to a two piece whereby a metal box/sleeve is fitted towards the thumb end of the lever allowing the actual thumb rest to slot into this metal box (and is tightened via a screw)? The only time I have ever seen such configuration was to allow for some degree of adjustment to the thumb key itself. However, the amount of movement in this setup is negligible, only allowing something like 3-4 mm before the thumb lever hits the tubing. My Previous 10D's Thumb key lever was one piece so needless to say, I was surprised. I have visited UMI's website and cannot find any obvious changes to the model. Nor does it mention this configuration as an option. I bought this horn from a reputable Conn music shop who, themselves claim the horn to be bog standard - having had no work done on it. I have sent them an email to see if I can resolve this anomaly. In the mean time, I thought I would try and tap into the fountain of horn knowledge that is this list. Finally, can someone direct me to source where I might be able to buy this part as a one piece? Many thanks, Brian.No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Tippet
Who has got the chance, to play Tippet No.4 symphony ??? What a terrible shit !! If reduced according to the substance, it would just take 3 minutes to play it. Ever know a conductor Mark Wigglesworth ? Doing Brahms no.4 ? I fell asleep during the rehearsal. Slow, that even unskilled music writers can follow easily write the score down. NHR: Did I get it right, that cheer leaders greet the leader of a nation with Hail our Chief ! and that this leader receives his determination from behind the stars (such was called from the Vorsehung (= (divine) providence) some 70 years ago) that he ends his speeches traditionally with the word God leaving his mouth, a well known phrase reminding to Das walte Gott (Nuernberg). Sarcastic, I might say. Fundamentalists of all countries unite now. The tragedy is it, that there are so many people involved, who have no idea about geography, about foreign (language) names what country they might belong too, about foreign culture, foreign believes, foreign behaviour. That´s why all these stupidities happen. It is very sad, that many other countries do not better. No people in the world, no religious group might claim the title the Chosen people or the Only Right Religion, as this would discriminate all others consequently. The worst thing is it, to propagate democracy by the burned earth method, which has been done through all centuries in the past seem to happen again again, erasing cities completely, stripping off the identity of a people by destroying their past (Babylon, Dresden, Warszaw, the Buddhas in Afghanistan, Monasteries in Tibet, Hindu Temples in Kashmir Indonesia, churches castles in France during the revolution, devasting museums, etc. no end for listings). It is very sad. Music related: We have the same chaotic dictatorial corrupt system in the music world. Social behaviour (got it ?) of composers conductors catapult them into the front ranks of the business. It does not interest me, if one is orientated to the one or the other faction, as this is of privacy. But if those people get pushed up just because of ..., something is wrong. It is also wrong, if so called modern music is pushed just because it is modern, regardless about the substance, if things are forced up, because of good friends, if producers ruin a certain play (opera, drama, etc.) by fulfilling their perverse dreams of scandals (our next production of Rigoletto will play on the planet of apes !! No joke !). Who will suffer most ? The audience ? No, they are super spoiled anyway, they even do not know when to applaud when to laugh or scream (I am speaqking of the audience here !). No, the musicians will suffer, as they have to put much effort for worthless productions, or better said, the effort does not stay in a favorable relation to the success (number of performances attendees - not to talk about the box office). Most will suffer THE TAXPAYER. And nobody might wonder, if the parlamentarians will decide to cut the cultural budget. What will be the final result ? We, the humans, will be stripped of some essentials, which distinguishes us from the apes, and we will be reduced to just human resources (in the eyes of the politicians). Sorry, I provoke a lot, but it seemed to be necessary to make more people aware of the critical situation in the cultural world as well as in politics. Prof.Hans Pizka, Pf.1136 D-85541 Kirchheim - Germany Fax: 49 89 903-9414 Phone: 903-9548 home: www.pizka.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Virus checked by G DATA AntiVirusKit Version: AVK 15.0.2473 from 16.01.2005 Virus news: www.antiviruslab.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] THUMB LEVER FOR A CONN 10D
Conn has a web site and a customer service email link through that - you might want to ask them directly. http://www.conn-selmer.com -S- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] du] On Behalf Of B.Baker Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:53 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] THUMB LEVER FOR A CONN 10D Hello all, I have just purchased a Conn 10D (ex demo). It is in very good condition. I am no stranger to this model as I previously owned one (circa approx 1989) some 3 years ago. I regret ever selling it. My question to everyone who is familiar with this horn is. Has Conn (UMI) changed the fourth (Change) valve thumb key lever from being a one piece (with the exception of where it links to the Stop Arm), to a two piece whereby a metal box/sleeve is fitted towards the thumb end of the lever allowing the actual thumb rest to slot into this metal box (and is tightened via a screw)? The only time I have ever seen such configuration was to allow for some degree of adjustment to the thumb key itself. However, the amount of movement in this setup is negligible, only allowing something like 3-4 mm before the thumb lever hits the tubing. My Previous 10D's Thumb key lever was one piece so needless to say, I was surprised. I have visited UMI's website and cannot find any obvious changes to the model. Nor does it mention this configuration as an option. I bought this horn from a reputable Conn music shop who, themselves claim the horn to be bog standard - having had no work done on it. I have sent them an email to see if I can resolve this anomaly. In the mean time, I thought I would try and tap into the fountain of horn knowledge that is this list. Finally, can someone direct me to source where I might be able to buy this part as a one piece? Many thanks, Brian. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] THUMB LEVER FOR A CONN 10D
Hi Brian, I had an 11D for some time, and the thumb paddle was adjustable. The current thumb lever on Conn models 10D and 11D are German in origin and can be found on some German horns (made by one of the many sub contractors in the Marneukirchen area, I believe) and they are adjustable. If you want to change the paddles/levers I suggest that you replace them with Yamaha paddles. I did this at the suggestion of Scott Bacon, now of Durk, and found it to be a definite improvement over what Conn offers. To tell you the truth I was unaware that the earlier 10D's had a non-adjustable lever. Mark L. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Tippet now Wigglesworth
Professor Pizka wrote: Ever know a conductor Mark Wigglesworth ? Doing Brahms no.4 ? I fell asleep during the rehearsal. Slow, that even unskilled music writers can follow easily write the score down. I have that Wigglesworth is more than likely going to succeed the retiring Neeme Jarvi as conductor and music director of the Detroit Symphony USA. Is this true? Ellen Manthe ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Osman brasses
Klaus wrote: The same site also provides comfort for those longing for the golden days of the mellopschonium: http://www.brightbomb.com/Magnets/R-BRS-1.jpg Fascinating to see that musicians once took the mellophone more or less seriously. Klaus, I noticed that in one of the photos, the mellophone is being played hand-in-bell and, in another, the player is posing with her hand in the bell, suggesting that she played that way. I had always thought that mellophones were played hand-out-bell, left hand gripping the valve cluster. Does anyone know which was the case? Did the style vary between the US and Europe? --John = J Mason Charlottesville, Virginia Democracy of Speed, a Photo Documentary Project: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ds8s/john-m/john-m.html __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Intonation in different registers
I think that Herb Foster is correct, and that my earlier posting about how to tune the horn-c, to a concert A, was wrong My playing is limited to 'wind bands' where we tune to concert Bb, so I probaby should have refrained from the discussion about 'tuning to A' I apologize for my mistake, Jay Kosta Endwell NY ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] A very deep message,indeed
To Herr Pizka's message of today regarding world conditions today as well as past history, I say AMEN. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Osman Music? Hand Guard
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Osman Music? Hand Guard I wanted to order a custom fitted Conn 8D hand guard, and I remember seeing one on their website. Problem is I forgot it, and I can't find them. I think I am spelling the name wrong. If you are looking for a hand guard take a look at the cleb strap first, they look really nice! Roger that! I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of my second one. I got tired of moving mine back and forth between my 8D and my C single horn, and I can no longer imagine playing a horn without one. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Cabbage on the Road
Once again the Peripatetic One will take to the road to bring his message of physics and music to the huddled, inertial masses. This time it's in the Physics Department of Cal State Los Angeles at 3PM on Thursday, February 3. As a special treat, those who accidently attend this talk will not be subjected to his usual rendition of Beethoven Op. 17. The Cruciferous one hopes some generous hornlister will be able to loan him a natural horn (preferably a classical instrument with a bunch of crooks) for him to tootle on during this talk. Those requiring more information should contact me off list. Those requiring less information should stop reading this message long before they reach this sentence. gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] A very deep message,indeed
After listening to President Bush and reading Herr Pizka's comments, I can say that as an commentator on world affairs he is a very, very good horn player. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:54 PM Subject: [Hornlist] A very deep message,indeed To Herr Pizka's message of today regarding world conditions today as well as past history, I say AMEN. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Osman brasses
Hi First of all I am new to this list, am a more mature age player now(74) and am wanting to information about two English horn players who joined the Sydney (Australia) Symphony Orchestra in the 50's. Both had been with the now defunked Yorkshire (England) S.O.as Ist and 2nd, my father was 3rd and 4th was a gent by the name of Raymond Few. One of the two may have been Farquison Cousins and the other name I have forgotten. One of the them was electrocuted while using an electric lawn mower . If any one has any information I would be obliged. Back in 1949 when I was a recruit in the RAF the station band could only offer a mellophone which was in Eb fingered with the right hand and supported by the left hand under the bell. My first week end leave could not come soon enough so I could get home and get my horn - a Raoux -Brown with a half tone change mounted on the tuning slide. I eventually sold it when I bought a Paxman.Now will see out my playing days on a Yamaha 664 which I have had for 30 years. Best wishes from South Australia Tony - Original Message - From: John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:15 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Osman brasses Klaus wrote: The same site also provides comfort for those longing for the golden days of the mellopschonium: http://www.brightbomb.com/Magnets/R-BRS-1.jpg Fascinating to see that musicians once took the mellophone more or less seriously. Klaus, I noticed that in one of the photos, the mellophone is being played hand-in-bell and, in another, the player is posing with her hand in the bell, suggesting that she played that way. I had always thought that mellophones were played hand-out-bell, left hand gripping the valve cluster. Does anyone know which was the case? Did the style vary between the US and Europe? --John = J Mason Charlottesville, Virginia Democracy of Speed, a Photo Documentary Project: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ds8s/john-m/john-m.html __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/gspitzm.bm%40ihug.com.au -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 17/01/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 17/01/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Osman brasses
on 20.01.05 21:45, John Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Klaus wrote: The same site also provides comfort for those longing for the golden days of the mellopschonium: http://www.brightbomb.com/Magnets/R-BRS-1.jpg Fascinating to see that musicians once took the mellophone more or less seriously. Klaus, I noticed that in one of the photos, the mellophone is being played hand-in-bell and, in another, the player is posing with her hand in the bell, suggesting that she played that way. I had always thought that mellophones were played hand-out-bell, left hand gripping the valve cluster. Does anyone know which was the case? Did the style vary between the US and Europe? There are so many angles from where to approach this topic and I could write very long about it. When I first learned about the Canadian Brass around their concerts in Denmark in 1989, they were generally considered inventors of the small brass ensemble as an entertainment vehicle. They were NOT. The uniqueness of the CB was/is their combination of high class brass playing with entertainment. Travelling troupes in circus or stage formats soon learned, that valved brasses could fill a tent or a hall with pleasant melodies and harmonies in the days before electric amplification. Even in my childhood musical clowns were big hits in the tent raised in the tiny town in northern Germany where I lived, as well as in the brick arena of Copenhagen, where my maternal family lived. But these travelling musicians were not educated on one instrument. They were general musicians maybe having been started on cornet, piano, flute, and violin. Playing the alto brass voice in the family 4-tet on a small-bore single F horn would have stressed the clowny aspects more than desirable. The solution was the alto cornet wound in the horn shape and given an almost-horn-sized bell. Put the hand in the bell and smalltown Mrs. Schmidt on the last row never would be able to tell the difference. The two sisters in the central photo represent the stage variant. They probably have excelled in sentimental songs exposed to some not too advanced two part Arban style variations. I could write lots of such stuff, actually have such a current project. And that reveals just one more benefit of the mellosiano: it is much easier to travel with than a piano and it saves the embarrassments of missing, defunct, or non-tuned local stage pianos. The 4 guys on the top right photo have taken the mello approach one step further: their cornet and flugelhorn have been built in that shape. And then there is the military aspect. Large armies could not fill their huge bands with conservatory graduates 150 years ago. One grotesque sample was the marching (contra-)bassoon with all keywork attached to a piano style keyboard. Put a draft on the village organist, show him how to fart through a double reed, and you have your marching musician. Old Germany had two approaches to fill the marching horn sections. The village bands still us the right-handed mellospoon. The military used right-handed single horns, mostly in Bb (Baumann is the search word for other postings of mine on the topic of right handed horns). The mellophone has been made in fairly large quantities by Czech, German, Dutch, French, UK, and US makers, so there must have been a market. When I started in a Danish band 45 years ago, I first played Eb alto trombones with 3 RV of Danish pre-WWII origins (Schmidt and Gottfried). That band oddly enough was inspired by the German band composer/guru Willy Schneider. Hence I ended up with a Dutch Eb mello with 3 pistons played with the left hand in the bell. Not so much for intonation reasons, but for mellowing the sound. The mouthpiece had a funnel shape and a wide rim. That instrument also took me through a repertoire of Haydn, Mozart, Schubert, Verdi, Carl Nielsen, and probably more composers as the only horn of the local chamber orchestra. If nothing else I certainly learned to transpose on sight. I sold that instrument to a jazz trumpeter, who in a ripe age earned himself an A+ playing Mozart 3 , when he finished his high-school-equivalence at the college, where I had studied for teacher. That was around 33 years ago, and hardly could have happened today. Older literature considers the British brass band movement rather a social than a musical phenomenon. I have the same approach to the mellophone, Klaus ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
