[Hornlist] High Notes
Just recently in a lesson did my teacher say my high notes were all wrong. Apparently I was smiling to get the notes out, and I needed to keep my lips still in move in the inside of my embouchure. I could play high notes well up to a C but now I cant even really play past an F very well. Does anyone have any advice on high to re-learn high notes the correct way? I don't think it is lip strength because when I get up to an F sharp, it is just airy as opposed to full, but it doesn't pain my lips and I am not smiling. Thanks all. -Karl Feinauer ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Tippet now Wigglesworth
In a message dated 23/01/2005 04:52:01 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: from the Salzburg summer academy. Wigglesworth is not dry, but he has absolutely not understood Brahms. He has no feeling. He just follows the score dot by dot. His gestures are clear. He is doing a good job with the shit Tippett no.4. If Mr. Wigglesworth doesn't understand Brahms, could it be that you don't understand Tippet? All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Tippet now Wigglesworth
If one falls asleep or one gets angry because of the unbearable noise, well, that has nothing to do with understanding music. I assume, you are just joking. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 10:56 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Tippet now Wigglesworth In a message dated 23/01/2005 04:52:01 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: from the Salzburg summer academy. Wigglesworth is not dry, but he has absolutely not understood Brahms. He has no feeling. He just follows the score dot by dot. His gestures are clear. He is doing a good job with the shit Tippett no.4. If Mr. Wigglesworth doesn't understand Brahms, could it be that you don't understand Tippet? All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Tippet now Wigglesworth
Hi Hans, I expected a reply much quicker than that! Yes, I was definitely joking! All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Cold Sores
I've had good results using L-lysine tablets taken at the first hint of a cold sore. It seems that this particular amino acid stops the spread of the infection. This was suggested on this list a few years ago and confirmed by my dentist. He said that the only problem is knowing when to take ittoo late and you still get a blister (but it doesnt spread). After 50+ years of cold sores I KNOW when to take it! Paul - Original Message - From: Robert Fagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 7:54 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Cold Sores Hi, I'm another cold-sore sufferer and a microbiologist too... The only thing that will definitely work is the antiviral drug acyclovir (sold in Ireland and probably elsewhere as Zovirax cream) If you catch a cold-sore early this can prevent a blister forming and will speed up the healing anyway. Unfortunately now that you've had one you will more than likely have periodic reoccurrences so it'd be a good idea to buy some Zovirax anyway and use it if you ever get any strange tingling/swelling in your lip in future. As for playing, it's very important not to break the skin when you have a cold-sore because it then takes MUCH longer to heal. If the blister has already split then all you can do is try to avoid irritating it more and wait for it to heal. But please be very conscious of the fact that the virus which causes cold-sores is highly contagious so don't let anyone else touch your mouthpiece/glass/cup/towel etc. and remember that the virus can infect other parts of your own body as well so try not to touch it with your fingers and wash your hands well if you do! Sorry if that's not particularly cheerful advice but cold-sores do get a lot easier to deal with after a while and it is possible that you may be one of the lucky few who never have a reoccurrence. Robert A friend will help you move, a good friend will help you move a body. Robert Fagan Moyne Institute, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland [EMAIL PROTECTED] +353 1 6081817 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karl Feinauer Sent: 21 January 2005 23:57 To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Cold Sores What is the best way to deal with a cold sore and get in daily practice at the same time? Unfortunately, this is my first cold sore and it is right on the top of my lip where the mouthpiece goes. Any advice on how to prevent the spread of infection, get rid of the sore, or just subdue the pain while I practice? Thanks. -Karl Feinauer ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Tippet
Message text written by The Horn List Why did they move you to another recording location, as the street noise would just have had a bettering effect on Tippetts music (perhaps) ? Dear Prof and List That would have stretched their organising abilities far too much. How often have we heard orchestral players say if we did our jobs like they do theirs, we would get the sack! Some interesting things about Tippett were that he always wore sandals (never shoes) without socks and he had a passion for marmalade which he made for himself. Funny though this is, it shows perhaps what an impossibly eccentric character he was and this could explain some of his sonic output. Reputedly, his Sonata for Four Horns was written a tone higher and had to be transposed down when even Dennis Brain refused to play it at that pitch (does anyone know whether this story is true - I have never met anyone who could verify it). Alan Civil re-wrote the slow movement with more conventional time signatures and it sounded just the same when played that way (this is certainly fact). And when the BBC Symphony Orchestra premiered his 2nd Symphony under Sir Adrian Boult, it broke down and they had to stop. The writers for whom Tippett could do no wrong always blame the Leader (Concertmaster) of the BBCSO in that era - Paul Beard (a very experienced leader) but old timers say that Beard had only warned that the way that the music was written was totally impracticable. As to his conducting skills, he was so wayward when we recorded his 'Ritual Dances' that the then MD stood behind him giving cues to the orchestra whilst the then Chorus master conducted at the chorus - that is until Tippett realised what they were doing and bawled at them to get out! Surprisingly, for a man who was sent to prison for his pacifism during WW2 (he refused employment as a teacher as he said that even this would have been contributing towards the war effort), his brother was a high ranking officer in the Royal Navy. Certainly though, his oratorio 'A Child of Our Time' must rank as a very special masterpiece. I once saw a horn player who usually regarded playing as 'just a job' moved almost to tears at the close of a performance of it. Cheers Paul A. Kampen (W. Yorks UK) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Osman brasses
Message text written by The Horn List Both had been with the now defunked Yorkshire (England) S.O.as Ist and 2nd, my father was 3rd and 4th was a gent by the name of Raymond Few. One of the two may have been Farquison Cousins and the other name I have forgotten. One of the them was electrocuted while using an electric lawn mower . If any one has any information I would be obliged. Dear Tony and List The Yorkshire Symphony Orchestra was based in Leeds and operated from 1947 up to 1955 before it was disbanded at a time when several full time British regional orchestras were under threat (the YSO was the only one that actually succumbed). The organisation from which I have recently retired - Opera North - though based in the same city is a totally different organisation but, in the late 70s and early 80s, there were a couple of ex YSO players (all now deceased) who used to come in and deputise with us occasionally. There were three first horns in the YSO's existence - the first of them (and the only one still alive) was Farquharson Cousins. When he left to go to Scotland, his 3rd horn - Guy Gibbs - took over as 1st. When he left to go to Australia he was in turn succeeded as 1st by his 3rd horn - Edwin Lorentsen. Gibbs was the man tragically killed in an electrical accident in Australia. When the YSO folded, Lorentsen went first to the Bournemouth Symphony (where one of my teachers worked with him) and then to Australia and the Sydney Symphony Orchestra. I understand that he died several years ago. There is a retired player in York who was taught by Lorentsen. Raymond Few started as 4th in the YSO but soon moved to 2nd and occupied that seat to the end - being involved in the fight to save the orchestra. He went out to New Zealand and, on his return to Britain, got involved in management. I got to know him in the 80s and last saw him on Leeds railway station a few weeks before he died of a heart attack some years ago. Many of the YSO's players moved on to other orchestras but, as far as I know, none are working now and a good majority are deceased. Their last 4th horn - Philip Meiklejohn (whom I knew well) - died just before this last Christmas. Under Farquharson Cousins, the YSO horn section was probably the last complete section using the old 'pea shooter' narrow bore French horn on a daily basis. I have a photo taken from a newspaper of the section in 1949 (Cousins, Ray Few, William Crosse and Walter Smith). Old timers tell me that there was a lot of criticism from the press over this, mainly because of a bad patch were there were a lot of split notes. Opinions vary as to how good the YSO was - I have a tape taken from the BBC in the late 40s which suggests that it had many good players and some not so good players. The chief conductor at the end was Nicolai Malko who was apparently getting very good performances. However, I was once talking to another ex YSO horn player (who shall be nameless) and asked him about the YSO. His reply was - my God, it is a long time since I was accused of being a member of that! I am sorry if this is boring to some but, I always like to read other people's tales of days gone by. Cheers Paul A. Kampen (W.Yorks - UK) - back at the old firm this week and next - they cannot keep me away! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 25, Issue 34
Dear Hornocologists, A reaction and plea to those who choose to post political messages on this list, whom I will not name nor with whom I wish any quarrel: To quote a recent writer who unfortunately took time to post a political statement, but then apparently changed: But, enough of my sermonizing. I think I'll just pick up my horn and try to play a few good notes. Indeed! Absolutely. Please let us stick to the music. No matter the political persuasions, we can share the music and the instrument and its joys and challenges. Life is too short for political battles, which IMHO really do not belong on this list. Peace, Please, To All Who Horn... jly Send Horn mailing list submissions to horn@music.memphis.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Horn digest... Please edit replies to include only relevant text. Please DO NOT include the entire digest in your reply. For more netiquette information, see: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today's Topics: 1. BERP ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2. RE: Tippet now Wigglesworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 3. Cold Sores (Karl Feinauer) 4. the chosen animals ie. humans? (matthew scheffelman) 5. Tippet (Paul Kampen) 6. Re: Horn Digest, Vol 25, Issue 32, Message 3 (Jim Price) 7. church playing (Gary Greene) 8. The Thingy that does stuff (Karl Feinauer) 9. Re: The Thingy that does stuff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 10. RE: The Thingy that does stuff (Karl Feinauer) 11. Re: The Thingy that does stuff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 12. Re: The Thingy that does stuff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 13. RE: The Thingy that does stuff (Linda) 14. RE: BERP (Pandolfi, Orlando) 15. Contendy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 16. RE: Tippet ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 17. Re: The Thingy that does stuff (Chris Tedesco) 18. High Notes (Karl Feinauer) 19. Re: Tippet now Wigglesworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 20. RE: Tippet now Wigglesworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 21. Re: Tippet now Wigglesworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 22. RE: Cold Sores (Robert Fagan) 23. Re: Cold Sores (LOTP) 24. RE: Tippet (Paul Kampen) 25. Re: Re: Osman brasses (Paul Kampen) -- message: 1 date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:36:48 EST from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] BERP What do folk think about the BERP? =20 All the best, =20 Lawrence =20 =FEaes ofereode - =FEisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk -- message: 2 date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:31:46 +0100 from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: RE: [Hornlist] Tippet now Wigglesworth Hello, I remember Herbig from the Salzburg summer academy. Wigglesworth is not dry, but he has absolutely not understood Brahms. He has no feeling. He just follows the score dot by dot. His gestures are clear. He is doing a good job with the shit Tippett no.4. Greetings == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter E. Lewis Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:50 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Tippet now Wigglesworth Hi Ellen and everyone, I have read in the Detroit Free Press that Wigglesworth is being considered for Jarvi's position as Music Director of the DSO...nothing official yet. I think he's doing some subscription concerts this spring. Anyway, the DSO has not named a successor at this time. Hans, was he poorly prepared to work the rehearsal or is he just a poor conductor, or just boing and very dry in his approach? I mean, how can one mess up Brahms 4? I wonder since I live here in Detroit and do go and listen to the DSO. I have enjoyed Jarvi's approach with the DSO and am sorry that he's retiring. They have been very good under his baton, and I also think the musicians like him. Before Jarvi, the DSO had Gunther Herbig, and his approach was very dry. Walt Lewis At 02:47 PM 1/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: Professor Pizka wrote: Ever know a conductor Mark Wigglesworth ? Doing Brahms no.4 ? I fell asleep during the rehearsal. Slow, that even unskilled music writers can follow easily write the score down. I have that Wigglesworth is more than likely going to succeed the retiring Neeme Jarvi as conductor and music director of the Detroit Symphony USA. Is this true? Ellen Manthe ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wlewis9637%40 wowway.com -- No virus found
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Osman brasses
Under Farquharson Cousins, the YSO horn section was probably the last complete section using the old 'pea shooter' narrow bore French horn on a daily basis. I have a photo taken from a newspaper of the section in 1949 (Cousins, Ray Few, William Crosse and Walter Smith). Old timers tell me that there was a lot of criticism from the press over this, mainly because of a bad patch were there were a lot of split notes. Cheers Paul A. Kampen (W.Yorks - UK) - back at the old firm this week and next - they cannot keep me away! Hi Paul I started this thread by twisting the title of a previous one. Be sure I haven't regretted that, as we have come around some topics of my interest. The paragraph quoted initiates 2 questions of mine: mainly because of a bad patch: I cannot grasp the semantics of patch in this context. But then I am no anglofilatologist. I would very much like to upload your photo of the YSO horn section with their 1949 peashooters to my brass galleries. Preferably in a fairly high resolution, 300 dpi if possible. Hopefully there will be no copyright problems attached. If I were allowed to attach your text, it would be even better. The icing on the cake would be, if you could identify the instruments used by some or all of the players. My best inbox for larger files is at this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the best Klaus Index over 1GB++ of brass instruments galleries and catalogue scans to be found in the Files area of: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotosIII/ (Membership is open for all) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: BERP - Horn Digest, Vol 25, Issue 34
If done discreetly, a good way of getting rid of excess gas harswoodhorn -Original Message- message: 1 date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:36:48 EST from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] BERP What do folk think about the BERP? =20 All the best, =20 Lawrence =20 =FEaes ofereode - =FEisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Cold Sores
Karl, I also suffer from cold sores. Here's some tips from my experience. 1. As mentioned by others, you will find the cold sores recur from time to time. Apparently the virus resides in nerve junctions in your face and elsewhere. When the necessary stimulus occurs the virus multiplies and migrates along the nerves to the skin. I find that cold sores are triggered by stress or a slight blow to the lips, particularly in cold weather. Tr to avoid these if you can. 2. Zovirax cream is very effective if applied early enough, basically as soon as you feel the onset of symptoms. 3. I find my cold sores seem to respond well to a little gentle practice, provided they're not scabbed over or open. However, the operative words here are little and gentle, but it's worth remembering that your cold sores may well respond differently. Steve Williams. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] High Notes
If you'll forgive a response from a novice horn player but an otherwise experienced music teacher, a couple of observations: 1. A teacher will sometimes ask you to make a major change in the way you do things - if this is a new teacher, no further explanation is needed; if this person has been your teacher for some time, it may be that they didn't feel you were ready for the change, for whatever reason, until now. You must decide if this is a teacher you trust - if it is, then you should follow their advice, and if you don't trust your teacher, you should find another teacher. That last point is worth reitereating - you need to trust your teacher, and if you don't, find another teacher, but if you do, then do as you're being asked. 2. From what little I know about the horn, your teacher's advice makes sense to me. Every time I improve on the horn, if feels like I've got more lip inside the mouthpiece, and that reaching a relatively high note is no longer the feat of athleticism it was before. Farkas makes a good point in his book - he says to push yourself past what you can do regularly but not to overdo it - if you stay in your comfort zone, you'll never improve, but by the same token, pushing yourself usually means using less than perfect technique to get to something you've never gotten to before - after all, if you could already do it, it wouldn't be pushing yourself. For me, regularly doing what you describe, which is kind of pinching my embouchure for lack of a better way to put it - I guess it's more like stretching than pinching - has been a way to try to reach notes higher than I could play well, but doing just the right amount of that has helped me finally learn to play another note or two higher _without_ stretching/pinching. In other words, a little bit of stretch/pinch is OK as you learn to play higher, but it should only happen on notes you don't really yet know how to play, and it should go away after a while. I imagine someone here will respond with words to the effect of, One should never have to stretch the embouchure like that and, as a novice, I can't really argue, except to say that building strength and endurance is funny business and how it happens is often unique to the individual; for me, I need to go through cycles of overdoing followed by backing off in order to eventually get somewhere. I notice that I often have my best days playing after several miserable days in a row followed by a day off - the day off turns the misery of the past few days into something useable - miraculous but I'm glad it happens. Your teacher's advice sounds good to me. Again, I am a novice but what your teacher is saying jibes with my experience on the horn thus far and with my 30+ years of music teaching and playing other instruments. The only piece of advice I can offer in closing is that it would be good to make such a change in your embouchure during a period of time when you do _not_ have to audition or perform - you don't want the pressure of having to play high because that will hinder the relearning process you need to go through. -S- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] du] On Behalf Of Karl Feinauer Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:24 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: [Hornlist] High Notes Just recently in a lesson did my teacher say my high notes were all wrong. Apparently I was smiling to get the notes out, and I needed to keep my lips still in more in the inside of my embouchure. I could play high notes well up to a C but now I cant even really play past an F very well. Does anyone have any advice on how to re-learn high notes the correct way? I don't think it is lip strength because when I get up to an F sharp, it is just airy as opposed to full, but it doesn't pain my lips and I am not smiling. Thanks all. -Karl Feinauer ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridaysc omputer.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Request
Friends and Colleagues!!! Please look at my web site: www.abbymayer.com Thank you, and I extend every best wish. Abby ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] beethoven 6 mute
I will be playing Beethoven 6 on natural horn very soon. I am loathe to use my flashy bright red 21st century mute for the passage at the end of the symphony. Any suggestions as to what is an acceptable alternative to use with a natural horn or should stick in the modern one and hope nobody notices? All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] beethoven 6 mute
How about painting the mute a more appropriate color? Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:38 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] beethoven 6 mute I will be playing Beethoven 6 on natural horn very soon. I am loathe to use my flashy bright red 21st century mute for the passage at the end of the symphony. Any suggestions as to what is an acceptable alternative to use with a natural horn or should stick in the modern one and hope nobody notices? All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Horn Digest, Vol 25, Issue 34
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 10:15 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Horn Digest, Vol 25, Issue 34 -- message: 3 date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:57:12 -0600 from: Karl Feinauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] Cold Sores What is the best way to deal with a cold sore ...? Any advice on how to prevent the spread of infection, get rid of the sore, or just subdue the pain while I practice? Thanks. -- message: 22 date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:54:15 - from: Robert Fagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: RE: [Hornlist] Cold Sores Hi, I'm another cold-sore sufferer and a microbiologist too... The only thing that will definitely work is the antiviral drug acyclovir (sold in Ireland and probably elsewhere as Zovirax cream) If you catch a cold-sore early this can prevent a blister forming and will speed up the healing anyway. Unfortunately now that you've had one you will more than likely hav= e periodic reoccurrences so it'd be a good idea to buy some Zovirax anyway an= d use it if you ever get any strange tingling/swelling in your lip in future -- message: 23 date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:56:02 -0500 from: LOTP [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: Re: [Hornlist] Cold Sores I've had good results using L-lysine tablets taken at the first hint of a cold sore. It seems that this particular amino acid stops the spread of the infection. This was suggested on this list a few years ago and confirmed by my dentist. He said that the only problem is knowing when to take ittoo late and you still get a blister (but it doesnt spread). After 50+ years of cold sores I KNOW when to take it! Paul * Here's a link to a pharmaceutical page on the web re coldsores, etc., and the relative merits of Zovirax and danivir for the treatment of cold sores: www.animated-teeth.com/cold_sores/ t5_cold_sores_medications.htm harswoodhorn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] beethoven 6 mute
SURE, STICK IN A MODERN MUTE IN NATURAL WOOD FINISH. MAYBE A KOWALCHUK MUTE. P MANSUR On Sunday, January 23, 2005, at 03:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am loathe to use my flashy bright red 21st century mute for the passage at the end of the symphony. Any suggestions as to what is an acceptable alternative to use with a natural horn or should stick in the modern one and hope nobody notices? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] beethoven 6 mute
There is a classic solution for a mute, indeed. Do you know the old black horn sack, made of thin shiny black cloth ? Get the same cloth roll it to some kind of a ball. Try it out well, to know how deep (or not deep) you have to insert the ball into the bell to get the desired far away effect. This is a traditional method from Vienna, still used after the 2nd WW since Beethovens days. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Mayhew Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:41 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] beethoven 6 mute How about painting the mute a more appropriate color? Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:38 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] beethoven 6 mute I will be playing Beethoven 6 on natural horn very soon. I am loathe to use my flashy bright red 21st century mute for the passage at the end of the symphony. Any suggestions as to what is an acceptable alternative to use with a natural horn or should stick in the modern one and hope nobody notices? All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhew s.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] beethoven 6 mute
In a message dated 23/01/2005 22:04:47 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a classic solution for a mute, indeed. Do you know the old black horn sack, made of thin shiny black cloth ? Get the same cloth roll it to some kind of a ball. Try it out well, to know how deep (or not deep) you have to insert the ball into the bell to get the desired far away effect. This is a traditional method from Vienna, still used after the 2nd WW since Beethovens days. Thanks, that sounds better for my soul than sticking the modern mute in. (Whether I can make it work is another question!) Thanks again, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Osman brasses
Message text written by The Horn List mainly because of a bad patch: I cannot grasp the semantics of patch in this context. But then I am no anglofilatologist. Dear Klaus and List This form of speech implies that, otherwise good and competent people were having a series of 'off days' - playing not so well or, not up to their usual high standards. The photo is on a page of an old newspaper which I got from the British Newspaper Library in Colindale (London). If you e-mail me off list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - we will sort out how I can get a copy to you. Regards Paul Kampen ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Conn 10D/11D thumb lever
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to change the paddles/levers I suggest that you replace them with Yamaha paddles. I did this at the suggestion of Scott Bacon, now of Durk, and found it to be a definite improvement over what Conn offers I recently made a new lever for a customer's 11D to fix the action. His stock key was sticking quite a bit due to the angle of approach the key took to turning the valve and a large amount of vertical play. To make the new key smoother, I converted it to string action using a stock Conn stop arm. I used the adjustable paddle from the stock key, but it could just as easily be made with an attached paddle. The three other keys had a lot of slack in the linkages due to excessive play in the plastic bushings used as bearings so I replaced them with bronze ones that I machined to much closer tolerances. Then I seated the bearing plates to remove the vertical play. This alleviated all of the problems he was having. His valves will last a lot longer too, now that they aren't wiggling around in their casings. If anyone would like to see the pictures, here is the link: http://www.deharohorns.com/connmods.htm Stuart de Haro = Stuart A. de Haro, Custom Horn Leadpipes, Brass Repair and Modification (217) 377-1462 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.deharohorns.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Political Viewpoints
I thought this was the horn list were just about anything goes? The Yahoo list is highly censored. Music is a interaction with people(ie.politics), both the performers and the audience. Politics and current events are completely fair game for discourse to musicians. I guess if the horn is a hobby then for someone it may be difficult to understand If you think we are alone in this Universe, or Guardians of this Universe, you are rudely mistaken. The current reaction(Republican right taking power) in this country is because of the rapid increase in political correctness. While political correctness is important for the future of mankind(!), it has been happening out of proportion to the good that needs to occur outside of rhetoric. Beyond the disaster that happened in Yugoslavia because of the UN( and past US admin), the Middle East was facing the rise of a huge Islamic Arab Nation state, Iraq was to be the center(funny how the media misses the facts). If this happened, most of south Asia would get screwed including China. Also, the checks and balances of the energy trade would come to an end and we would face a longer road to alternative energies. The loss of a spiritual(connection to a higher power) human being will be the disconnection of humans from nature and cycles within nature. We live within a Mantra, or Prayer, or God, whatever you believe.(oh no, God, we can't say that can we?). oh well back to long tones and music. Matthew Scheffelman Horn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Fw: [Hornlist] Political Viewpoints
Matt, I don't think that people objecting to a political discussion is simply because that they think that the topic is Verboten or Interdit, but, more so, that the thread will just fuel itself to no end since people are very passionate and become highly volatile when speaking about political viewpoints. Therefore, it might be best to limit political diatribe from becoming a constant in this format. Amitiés, Laurent - Original Message - From: matthew scheffelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Political Viewpoints I thought this was the horn list were just about anything goes? The Yahoo list is highly censored. Music is a interaction with people(ie.politics), both the performers and the audience. Politics and current events are completely fair game for discourse to musicians. I guess if the horn is a hobby then for someone it may be difficult to understand If you think we are alone in this Universe, or Guardians of this Universe, you are rudely mistaken. The current reaction(Republican right taking power) in this country is because of the rapid increase in political correctness. While political correctness is important for the future of mankind(!), it has been happening out of proportion to the good that needs to occur outside of rhetoric. Beyond the disaster that happened in Yugoslavia because of the UN( and past US admin), the Middle East was facing the rise of a huge Islamic Arab Nation state, Iraq was to be the center(funny how the media misses the facts). If this happened, most of south Asia would get screwed including China. Also, the checks and balances of the energy trade would come to an end and we would face a longer road to alternative energies. The loss of a spiritual(connection to a higher power) human being will be the disconnection of humans from nature and cycles within nature. We live within a Mantra, or Prayer, or God, whatever you believe.(oh no, God, we can't say that can we?). oh well back to long tones and music. Matthew Scheffelman Horn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lesmis7%40fix.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Political Viewpoints
Matt, I think to characterize the Yahoo list as highly censored, is perhaps overstating the case. It is focused on horn related topics for the most part. David Thompson does monitor it to some degree but I don't think that he would characterize himself as a moderator per se. The truly great thing about the Internet is the diversity of opinion and expression that is available. Regardless of one's interest or viewpoint on virtually any subject, there is a news group or a list that seems to cover it. There are chat rooms, both established and ad hoc where people can exchange ideas. The question then becomes, is this list the appropriate venue for the ideas that you would like to express or explore ? Certainly musicians have a much wider degree of interest than just music, and certainly virtually every topic under the sun is discussed among musicians during breaks, at intermissions etc. I really think, however, that one may get a much better response and more lively interest on the Internet by seeking out those lists and news groups and chat rooms where the principal topic is non horn related or music related, but focuses on politics or theology. Of course, it is impossible not to be completely free of NHR topics on this list or even the other one due to human nature, but speaking only for myself, I am primarily interested in what one has to say about the horn and music related topics. One could argue, successfully I think, that music and the other fine arts in general do not exist in a vacuum and that it is sometimes difficult if not impossible to divorce theology or philosophy or politics from art. On the other hand, while topics sometimes range out of horn and music on this list, if it were to become much broader in scope I know that I would lose interest because I am not on this list to discuss politics or religion or whether a Ford is better than a Chevrolet and whether the Patriots will beat the Eagles in the Superbowl (American football teams playing for the championship, non US readers). Now one can again successfully argue that one can always use the delete button and simply ignore certain posts, but I for one would hate to see this list become clogged with a rash of NHR posts that weren't even close to the primary topic of this list, just as I would not like to see much about the horn and horn playing were I to subscribe to a list devoted to politics or theology. Given the fact that we have some fairly bright individuals who post to this list (you are certainly one of them Matt :-)), such topics as which is the best horn ?, or what is your favorite valve oil ? can become mundane and perhaps even boring. On the other hand this list may not necessarily be the best vehicle for discussing political or religious views. As always, one needs to know one's audience. With all best wishes, Mark L. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] BERP
What do folk think about the BERP? Quieter and less malodorous than its evil flatulance twin! jrc in SC PS: I've tried one just to see how it worked. Interesting, but I just buzz on the mouthpiece now and again for a quick check-up. Though it well might go without saying, in this case, it won't: A good euphonious mouthpiece buzz (actually rather treble and spitty) sound is just as important as a good sound on the horn. One needn't explain the hand-in-hand nature of these two. The BERP allows one to remove the horn from the equation, which gives one less thing to fuss over, and it can really drive home the Garbage In-Garbage Out theory. But it seems to me that, if the BERP were to be used to fix a problem, like any piece of technology meant to remove the need for a human teacher, it does not. You'd *still* need a REALLY good player to guide you towards The Quality Buzz... which is all a BERP is good for in the first place. In fact, it may be even MORE important to have a Jedi guide when using a BERP since most players have at least SOME concept of horn sound, but wouldn't automatically know a good buzz from a faulty one. It's possibly worth a try, but combine its use with much thought and consideration. And Lawrence, since I know you ARE that teacher, I'd say go for it, study it and, if it passes muster, *integrate* into your teaching. You can, of course, just buzz the mouthpiece alone to see what you'll think about the BERP. For those who don't know, the big difference with the BERP is that one should put the BERP in place and be compelled to hold the horn regularly and play normally, but just making the buzzing sound while moving the fingers and playing. Most students are amazed at, for instance, missing a drop to A below the staff, then immediately buzzing the mouthpiece on that note and finding they're not even close to making the note with the buzz. Garbage In, etc... ~r ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
