Re: [Hornlist] lull in postings
Hello, The best one I've heard is Goldie Horn... Jaakko Välimäki [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] New Horn!!
I have ordered a new horn (a Yamaha 667). It should be delivered later this week. What do I need to do to get it set up? All of the horns I've been involved with, including the one I have now, were already playable by the time I got my hands on them. I assume I'll have to tune it, oil the valves, and check the slides for grease, and check it's playability in the various registers. Is there anything else I should do? There was a special where I ordered the horn of including the Yamaha Silent Practice system at the same price. I found it appealing since from time to time I go places where I feel a little inhibited about practicing. That doesn't stop me, but I like the idea about not disturbing others while still getting my practice in. Does anyone have experience with this system? Any information will be appreciated... Thanks... Tom -- Thomas M. Spillman, Jr. Asst. Professor (retired) Information Technology MBA Program School of Management St. Edward's University Austin, TX (home) 512-267-4393 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn!!
I have not personally had experience with Silent Brass, but my teacher, Roy Schaberg, has. Apparently, he seriously hurt himself once using it. I have no idea about the details, but the impression I received was that it creates an excessive amount of back pressure. It sounds like every horn player's best friend, but be careful. Nick --- Tom Spillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have ordered a new horn (a Yamaha 667). It should be delivered later this week. What do I need to do to get it set up? All of the horns I've been involved with, including the one I have now, were already playable by the time I got my hands on them. I assume I'll have to tune it, oil the valves, and check the slides for grease, and check it's playability in the various registers. Is there anything else I should do? There was a special where I ordered the horn of including the Yamaha Silent Practice system at the same price. I found it appealing since from time to time I go places where I feel a little inhibited about practicing. That doesn't stop me, but I like the idea about not disturbing others while still getting my practice in. Does anyone have experience with this system? Any information will be appreciated... Thanks... Tom -- Thomas M. Spillman, Jr. Asst. Professor (retired) Information Technology MBA Program School of Management St. Edward's University Austin, TX (home) 512-267-4393 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/frenchorngeek%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn!!
Hi Tom, Congratulations! I played on a Yammy 667 for many years and loved it. Just be certain to oil the valves thoroughly before you actually play it for the first time and then oil it frequently as Yamaha valves are usually very very snug. Once when I went away on holidays for 3 weeks it took a lot of patient coaxing and lots of oil when I got back to get any of the valves to move at all. That was a lesson well learned, I can tell you! Happy playing :) Chris -- ___ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Ganter web page
I have, with no success, tried to google my way through to the Ganter of Munich web page. Is the company defunct by now? Klaus ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
Just out of personal curiosity, why did it take so long for spit valves to be incorporated in Horn design? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn!!
Dont drop it ! Good luck ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Spillman Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:29 AM To: Yahoo horn list; Hornlist Subject: [Hornlist] New Horn!! I have ordered a new horn (a Yamaha 667). It should be delivered later this week. What do I need to do to get it set up? All of the horns I've been involved with, including the one I have now, were already playable by the time I got my hands on them. I assume I'll have to tune it, oil the valves, and check the slides for grease, and check it's playability in the various registers. Is there anything else I should do? There was a special where I ordered the horn of including the Yamaha Silent Practice system at the same price. I found it appealing since from time to time I go places where I feel a little inhibited about practicing. That doesn't stop me, but I like the idea about not disturbing others while still getting my practice in. Does anyone have experience with this system? Any information will be appreciated... Thanks... Tom -- Thomas M. Spillman, Jr. Asst. Professor (retired) Information Technology MBA Program School of Management St. Edward's University Austin, TX (home) 512-267-4393 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Ganter web page
Ganter is not working since he retired more than ten years ago. He sold the company, but the new company has gone bancrupt. Greetings Hans PS: My horns (Pizka Classic) are made in his tradition. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Klaus Bjerre Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:51 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Ganter web page I have, with no success, tried to google my way through to the Ganter of Munich web page. Is the company defunct by now? Klaus ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
Because of the prejudice of the horn players !! Still now in place ! === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Gross Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:26 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople Just out of personal curiosity, why did it take so long for spit valves to be incorporated in Horn design? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
There's no reason for it. It's just policy. --- or, in the alternative --- Tradition. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ Just out of personal curiosity, why did it take so long for spit valves to be incorporated in Horn design? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Atkinson Horns
I would appreciate an off list reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] from anyone with knowledge of or experience with Atkinson Horns in California. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
Thank you; there are volumes in that short answer. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hans Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 7:34 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople Because of the prejudice of the horn players !! Still now in place ! === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Gross Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:26 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople Just out of personal curiosity, why did it take so long for spit valves to be incorporated in Horn design? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stupid Brass Tricks
I'm not sure if these have been mentioned: - Playing super pedal notes by inserting the entire mouthpiece attached to the leadpipe into your mouth and placing it on the inside of your right cheek while blowing. (Yes this produces extremely low 'notes') -Playing with your tounge sticking out so that the upper half of the mouthpiece rests on your lips while the other rests on your tounge. Yes, it's almost possible to play this way, and it feels funny. -If you have a water key, open it while playing. You'll be able to quickly create a dirt bike effect. -Whistle while playing. You basically whistle through the horn. I can actually do this for some reason. -If you sing through your horn and wiggle the valves a lot you can do a fake Flight of the Bumble Bee. -If you take your hand out of the bell and try to play a high C, or lip around there, you can make a really horrific sounding police siren. -William In a message dated 6/13/2005 2:12:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Horn trashing (very extreme) - but reserved for Dr.Prof.ScheissHornGestopft exclusively. Clapping on the mouthpiece hard (take care not to bend the lead pipe) Clapping on the bell Playing flutter noise with tuning slide removed (very effective ! And terribly loud !) Ripping accross the valve slides with thumbnail like a guitarrist Producing stopped notes with valve slide just inserted into place with one shank only (does not work on all models; preferreable works with third F-slide - see Twilight of gods 4rth horn doo-tweauh-dah-dot-duit-duit ) Inserting mouthpiece into protruding tongue sneak tongue away when slurring (more visual effect than musical) Slide mouthpiece (starting with the slur on left edge of lips while slurring upwards slide to the right edge of lips; slurring downwards use opposite movement) Etc Etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Cole Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 7:13 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Stupid Brass Tricks Double-tonguing. Triple-tonguing. Doodle-tonguing. Flutter-tonguing. Growling. Double-stopping. Circular breathing. Note-bending. Half-valving. Any others that I don't know about? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
Paul Navarro writes: I prefer the Amado keys to any lever type key. I wonder why this is so? He also states: It is also possible to drill a hole through the middle of the piston of the Amado water key and thread a string through it to use with your left hand thumb- just like the Holton water keys. How do you do this? Do you drill through the surface on which you push to open the spit valve, all the way through to the back side? Do you drill 90 degrees to this surface? If the former, doesn't the valve leak when it's closed? The hole through which the string passes would also open into the passage through which water flows. So it seems like it would cause a leak. Thanks very much. Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
Walter Lawson writes: Take a piece of brass or nickel silver rod and grind a taper on it so it forms a plug in the hole. Doesn't the taper form a bump in the leadpipe that would affect how the horn plays? I'm trying to figure out how to make a tapered plug that would follow the inner contours of the leadpipe. Or maybe slight variations in the leadpipe aren't as important as I think. Thanks. Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
Piston is not equal piston. He named it piston meant the push-button-top of the piston. But you might try to drill through the entire piston wonder the effect it does to the horn. Anyway, if a spitvalve is attached, the female part is attached first. When in place, the hole is drilled through the wall of the tube below the female part. After the (holding) bridge is attached to the tube, the male part of the spitvalve is set into place. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Sanner Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:23 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople Paul Navarro writes: I prefer the Amado keys to any lever type key. I wonder why this is so? He also states: It is also possible to drill a hole through the middle of the piston of the Amado water key and thread a string through it to use with your left hand thumb- just like the Holton water keys. How do you do this? Do you drill through the surface on which you push to open the spit valve, all the way through to the back side? Do you drill 90 degrees to this surface? If the former, doesn't the valve leak when it's closed? The hole through which the string passes would also open into the passage through which water flows. So it seems like it would cause a leak. Thanks very much. Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
I use a slight variant on Waters technique because my solderin experience comes from furnace brazing. My hand dexterity isn't as good as someone as skilled as Walter, so I tend to rely on fixturing to hod things together. One of the big dangers inWalters ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
In a message dated 6/14/05 3:23:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How do you do this? Hi Howard, The hole for the string is drilled through the middle of the length of the push /piston and is smaller than the smallest diameter of the push /piston, therefore no leak occurs at any time. Here is a poorly done diagram of the inside push/piston withthe hole for the string drilled in it. It was done with my computer keyboard, so it is a general idea . __ __ _I I___I I I I I__I- ___ Hole drilled for string Iinside push/piston I I_ I I_I ^ II I cut out section for water to exit I hope this helps explain where the hole goes, and why there is no leak. I prefer Amado water keys because I believe there is less acoustical interference with them. This is a highly personal opinion and one which has little basis in fact, unless you talk to the Amado people and many trumpet players . I also prefer the smaller hole in the leadpipe, but I am sure that there are just as many players or repair people who believe that there is no difference. Paul Navarro Custom Horn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
In a message dated 6/14/05 3:23:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How do you do this Howard, as I expected might happen, when I sent the posting, the formatting was moved by AOL and the lines came out in the wrong places. I hope you can get the general idea though. There is no hole through the amado key plunger for the water to exit . There is a short lathed out section around the center of the plunger for the water to exit which leaves a solid center though what I call the push/piston . The string hole is drilled through this solid section. Paul ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
In a message dated 6/14/05 3:23:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How do you do this? Howard, If this diagram and explanation doesn't make sense, send me your phone # and I will fax you a drawing of it. Paul ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
Whoops, see what I mean about my hand coordination. I use a slight variant on Waters technique because my solderin experience comes from furnace brazing. My hand dexterity isn't as good as someone as skilled as Walter, so I tend to rely on fixturing to hod things together. One of the big dangers in Walter's method is the extreme heat needed to work braze material, and the thinness of the patch and surrounding tubing. I fit the plug by rotating it in the hole with a thin sandpaper cone. I the twist the taper plug into the hole in a tight fit. I then trace around the plug with a very fine tip marker. I can then sand the tip of the taper to match the inside surface of the tube, by eye, using a small sanding drum. With a deburring tool, I very slightly chamfer the outside edge of the hole, not to enlarge the hole at the bottom, but to create a very slight gap to suck the braze material into the slot. Not knowing to do this is by far the greatest cause of problems in brazing. The brazing materials available from repair sources is very limited. Commercial suppliers have materials in all different sizes. Once I have my taper cleaned, fitted, and fluxed, I assemble every thing with simple holders on a hearth that will take the heat. For a simple ring braze, like this, I make a single coil of braze wire, about .010 diameter, that fits snugly around the taper plg and right above the chamfer. Because the plug is fairly massive, I can apply a lot of heat, and let conduction heat the braze material and thin tubing. You should be rewarded by seeing the ring melt, and the braze material suck into the chamfer, filling it perfectly. To cut the taper off, I make a hole the diameter of the taper in a scrap of stainless shim stock, and cut it off with a jewelers saw. It's then an easy job to file and sand the patch to match the contour of the tube. If you made the chamfer carefully, all that will show is a very thin, uniform ring of braze material. The only people likely to notice it will be other repairmen marveling at the workmanship. What I've discovered is that with a little practice, very large patches can be made this way. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Stupid Brass Tricks
Double-tonguing Any others that I don't know about? Did anyone mention the weird split-note High-C overtone that can be achieved on some (most?) Kruspe wrap horns? Every Holton Farkas model I've ever played will do it, and so will every Conn 8D I've sampled. Some horns that don't do it all that well can STILL do it. Here's the deal: *** Play a written 3rd-space C on a Holton, then begin to slowly depress the 1st-valve 'til the pitch splits, and the octave-higher C overtone becomes louder than the C you're playing. *** You can tune the effect by twiddling with your oral cavity... but not in public, please. jrc PS: I've found that my Lawson Fourier has several more of these type 1/2-valve split notes on it, but none of them are as strong as the above-mentioned Holton/Conn 8D version of 3rd space C. Done right, it sounds eerily like a stopped high-C. ~r ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stupid Brass Tricks
How about the echo with 1/4-pressed first valve ? Works superbly for the Long Call last (written) e2 echo, but - but on Viennese Pumpenhorn. Or, high c3 on the Wagnertuba, - with use of water key. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Ray Crenshaw Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 3:23 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Stupid Brass Tricks Double-tonguing Any others that I don't know about? Did anyone mention the weird split-note High-C overtone that can be achieved on some (most?) Kruspe wrap horns? Every Holton Farkas model I've ever played will do it, and so will every Conn 8D I've sampled. Some horns that don't do it all that well can STILL do it. Here's the deal: *** Play a written 3rd-space C on a Holton, then begin to slowly depress the 1st-valve 'til the pitch splits, and the octave-higher C overtone becomes louder than the C you're playing. *** You can tune the effect by twiddling with your oral cavity... but not in public, please. jrc PS: I've found that my Lawson Fourier has several more of these type 1/2-valve split notes on it, but none of them are as strong as the above-mentioned Holton/Conn 8D version of 3rd space C. Done right, it sounds eerily like a stopped high-C. ~r ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
I'm sorry I caused suck a spit valve ruckus. Aleks NYC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
In a message dated 6/14/05 11:39:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sorry I caused suck a spit valve ruckus. Aleks, Don't be sorry, that's what we are here for ! Paul ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
