Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR
We had enough examples in history, how the oath of
allegiance , religious (followers, fanatics) or military
(officers) paralysed the brains of otherwise well educated
intelligent people, e.g. the Prussian generals in A.H.´s
head quarter. This applies to both sides today.
How answers Marquis de Posa to King Philipp of Spain, when
the King told him of the peace in the Netherlands: Yes,
Peace, . The peace of the cemetary !
How did Chinese emperors handle affairs after a war ? They
ordered all enemy troups to be executed. Also a form to
create peace - for a while.
Mankind seems unable to learn from history. We seem to
return to believe witches sorcerers, fortune tellers
magicians - who call themselves religious or semi-religious
political leaders, and erode HUMANITY step by step. Please
understand, I do not blame onesided. It applies for all
sides.
Respect each other, trust, - in the real meaning of the
word, - understanding, convincing, - yes, this would help
for a better peaceful world. If just one group would claim
that they their way is the only right one, it would be no
difference to the situation after one side has won the game
and all others have to shut-up.
We had or even have a similar situation in the horn
community, where just one way of horn playing should be the
right one, instead of admiring the diversity enjoying on
the diversity without any pressure to adapt oneself to the
one or the other way, except if joining a certain group.
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David Goldberg wrote:
Bill, Jonathan, Hans, others interested and concerned,
check this out for some background on the attack:
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2742
Uh, sure Davidand for some background on the totally
discredited McCarthy-ite right wing racist nutcase Daniel
Pipes (should you be interested and concerned), you might
want to check this out:
http://www.actsofconscience.net/Pipes/stopthenomination.html
-Michael Henry
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Bill, Jonathan, Hans, others interested and concerned, check
this out for some background on the attack:
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2742
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Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR
Again, There is no point in arguing who is good and who is evil. Keep it
simple, and even I can take a position. If a group of people claim to hear
their god whispering into their ear telling them to kill every man, woman, and
child who doesn't conform to their exact beliefs, under their definitions,
these people pose a real threat to the rest of the population. A threat equal
to that of any homicidal maniac or sex offender. They should be prepared to be
hunted down and removed from circulation permanently, under the rules they have
proclaimed. I have relinquished my right of personal, individual enforcement,
but if the majority of my fellow citizens feels the need of the duly elected
authorities to take effective, aggressive action, I support it. My duty is
then to vote in such a way, the action stays under control. My only other
alternative is to convert to their beliefs, and hope I can do it convincingly.
What I find really scary is our authorities seem more intent on using this as a
scheme to curtail individual freedoms under the guise of protection. We're
going to prison so the killers can run free. Of course, where this is all
leading is to the requirement of a chip implant to track whereabouts of
everyone around any potential target, just like the Bible says. Face it, the
technology is already mature and being used every day. The newer chips in
credit cards can be read from quite a distance, especially as they increase the
detector technology.. If your cell phone can find you, so can the FEDS.
-Original Message-
From: Michael Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: horn@music.memphis.edu
Sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:49:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR
David Goldberg wrote:
Bill, Jonathan, Hans, others interested and concerned, check this out for
some background on the attack:
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2742
Uh, sure Davidand for some background on the totally discredited
McCarthy-ite right wing racist nutcase Daniel Pipes (should you be interested
and concerned), you might want to check this out:
http://www.actsofconscience.net/Pipes/stopthenomination.html
-Michael Henry
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from: David Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
subject: Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR
Bill, Jonathan, Hans, others interested and concerned, check this out for
some background on the attack:
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2742
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{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - in compair with horn playing
Hello Bill, you said something which is true. But isn´t that the vision we had in the Dr.Mabuse movies of the 1950-ies ??? Or H.G.Wells vision 1986 ??? Total control or near total control we have today as we all are victims to the use of e-cards, cell phones, internet, is that much different from control in totalitarian systems ? Aren´t we just regarded as ciffres (numbers) on paper instead of human beings ? Aren´t we just reduced to economic factors ? Part of a manipulable workingforce or consumerforce ??? Or followerforce ??? What is the difference between our system, where any hear-say-parole becomes a one or two day truth story in the mass media, where you can be hunted down jailed jus because your name sounds different to local names or similar to some suspect names, and other systems where you will be jailed if somebody denounces you that your wife got some education shows her face to a stranger or where you have been denounced of listening to The Voice of America perhaps or another enemy radio station or even just watching TV ?? I see no difference. Is it all a big deficit in education ? Has our education (modern on our and antiquated on the other side)just increased the narrow minded level of understanding technique but reduced the general knowledge dramatically, so we believe witches fortune tellers again The same with horn playing: higher, faster, louder, newer, special equipment instead beautiful tone, beautiful phrasing, better adapting to the equipment at hand, more natural playing ? I would recommend (???) the chip implant, so your (orchestra) employer can track you get you off any musical activity outside your employment. I would enforce that demand chip implants, which can stimulate you (hard), to prepare for your job, as I am sure, they have some chips (in the pocket), which are designed not only to surveillance your whereabouts but to monitore your activities. They will be able to monitore your private (!! night or day) activities, check them about success and prescribe the appropriate v pills in sufficiant numbers, to empty your pockets to their own benefits. Nightmares coming one after the other. The next step will be to control you by chip radio command like robots. And we believe this be a free society ? And the other side brain wash their people by the so called religion, to manipulate them to be suicide bombers, by promising the super pious and chaste plenty of virgins in paradise. Could it be more pervers Promising the paradise to the most desperate is more DANGEROUS than anything else ! There is no paradise. Life is Life, death is death. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:25 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR Again, There is no point in arguing who is good and who is evil. Keep it simple, and even I can take a position. If a group of people claim to hear their god whispering into their ear telling them to kill every man, woman, and child who doesn't conform to their exact beliefs, under their definitions, these people pose a real threat to the rest of the population. A threat equal to that of any homicidal maniac or sex offender. They should be prepared to be hunted down and removed from circulation permanently, under the rules they have proclaimed. I have relinquished my right of personal, individual enforcement, but if the majority of my fellow citizens feels the need of the duly elected authorities to take effective, aggressive action, I support it. My duty is then to vote in such a way, the action stays under control. My only other alternative is to convert to their beliefs, and hope I can do it convincingly. What I find really scary is our authorities seem more intent on using this as a scheme to curtail individual freedoms under the guise of protection. We're going to prison so the killers can run free. Of course, where this is all leading is to the requirement of a chip implant to track whereabouts of everyone around any potential target, just like the Bible says. Face it, the technology is already mature and being used every day. The newer chips in credit cards can be read from quite a distance, especially as they increase the detector technology.. If your cell phone can find you, so can the FEDS. -Original Message- From: Michael Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:49:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR David Goldberg wrote: Bill, Jonathan, Hans, others interested and concerned, check this out for some background on the attack: http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2742 Uh, sure Davidand for some background on the totally discredited McCarthy-ite right wing racist nutcase Daniel Pipes (should
Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - in compair with horn playing
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Hans wrote:
I would recommend (???) the chip implant,
If that chip contains a metronome, tuner, and the complete recordings of
Dennis Brain, it might be worthwhile.
And the other side brain wash their people by the so called religion, to
manipulate them to be suicide bombers, by promising the super pious and
chaste plenty of virgins in paradise.
It's (only) 72 virgins. For serious historical perspective on this, see:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/saturday_review/story/0,3605,631332,00.html#article_continue
If this URL is too long, Google 72 virgins, and click I'm feeling
lucky, as it is the first hit. Not only a historical, but (verbally)
graphic explication.
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[Hornlist] unnatural
The naturalness of a horn come from the smoothness of its conical shape. The more valves and slides there are the more straight and therefore nonconicalness to the horn I must snipe here and say that, as far as I've been able to read, straight-section tubing in the horn did NOT originate with valved horns. Before valved horns, this centrally-located cylindrical tubing was found to add stability to the pitch, and was used as such. Read Pizka's and Pelletier's (spelling?) websites for history and more details. Since I wasn't invented 'til 1954, I can't claim first-hand knowledge of this, so I could be wrong. If I am, it'd be the second time in less than 50-years. I'm slipping! jrc ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] unnatural
Straight, tapered, combination -- none of it's unnatural, right? That is, each arrangement responds naturally in its own way to the laws of acoustics -- blow certain ways into the upstream end various corresponding musical sounds come out the downstream end. You could look it up. Or, as Ella Fitzgerald put it,... I blow thru here The music goes 'round around Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho And it comes out here. I push the first valve down The music goes down around Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho And it comes out here. I push the middle valve down The music goes down around below Below, below, deedle-dee-ho-ho-ho Listen to the jazz come out. I push the other valve down The music goes 'round around Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho And it comes out here. What could be more natural than that? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ At 01:54 PM 7/10/2005, you wrote: The naturalness of a horn come from the smoothness of its conical shape. The more valves and slides there are the more straight and therefore nonconicalness to the horn I must snipe here and say that, as far as I've been able to read, straight-section tubing in the horn did NOT originate with valved horns. Before valved horns, this centrally-located cylindrical tubing was found to add stability to the pitch, and was used as such. Read Pizka's and Pelletier's (spelling?) websites for history and more details. Since I wasn't invented 'til 1954, I can't claim first-hand knowledge of this, so I could be wrong. If I am, it'd be the second time in less than 50-years. I'm slipping! jrc -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/45 - Release Date: 7/9/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] unnatural
In a message dated 10/07/2005 21:43:41 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I push the other valve down The music goes 'round around Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho And it comes out here. I think I follow this but I'm a little concerned about the Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho bit, All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg _http://lawrenceyates.co.uk_ (http://lawrenceyates.co.uk/) Dulcian Wind Quintet: _http://dulcianwind.co.uk_ (http://dulcianwind.co.uk/) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
