RE: [Hornlist] Dumb question about Wagner tubas
We call these few measures with Wagnertuba "two trains passing each other on the railway". I did not mention it as it is just a minor affair, nothing special to know beforehand like the Ring or the Bruckner Symphonies. Well Janacek´s Sinfonietta is not more & I mentioned it. Also the "Pini di Roma", but here the Wagnertubas create the imagination of marching Roman "Cornu" players, you know the over the shoulder "Cornu", used by the marching legions. In the Rautavara piece, the Wagner tubas replace the "Lures". === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kent Spielmann Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:41 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dumb question about Wagner tubas Carl Bangs wrote: > My score of the Rite of Spring calls for Horns 7 and 8 to play Wagner Tuba. Indeed, I played the part many years ago, though never on the proper instrument. (Where does a Junior College wanabe horn player rent a tuba for a concert that he is not being paid for? How important is it anyways?) I remember the tuba is specified at the end of the first section, where you can hear it quite clearly, and maybe elsewhere. I guess it gives the proper primitive sound? I was wondering why Hans never mentioned those parts, but figured some one else would. Kent Spielmann ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dumb question about Wagner tubas
Carl Bangs wrote: > My score of the Rite of Spring calls for Horns 7 and 8 to play Wagner Tuba. Indeed, I played the part many years ago, though never on the proper instrument. (Where does a Junior College wanabe horn player rent a tuba for a concert that he is not being paid for? How important is it anyways?) I remember the tuba is specified at the end of the first section, where you can hear it quite clearly, and maybe elsewhere. I guess it gives the proper primitive sound? I was wondering why Hans never mentioned those parts, but figured some one else would. Kent Spielmann ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] simichrome or flitz?
I've used both products for years. There is nothing better. I'd be curious to know on what basis someone would warn not to use them. As far as Wrights goes, I have never had any satisfaction with any of their products. Give me good old Brasso any day. If you want to experiment with high tech polish, some of the formulations for automotive clear coat work in interesting ways. Flitz and Simichrome are so good I often use them for final rub out of old guitar and violin finishes during simple restoration. The chemicals seem to do less damage removing oxidation and prepare the surface for French polish with minimal removal of good material. I would be interested to hear of any success with Wrights products. -Original Message- From: Jared Disbro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:39:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Hornlist] simichrome or flitz? Hi, I've been told to use neither of them, and that Wright's Copper cream is the best, by a couple of my teachers, one of whom is a horn maker. Just make sure to a) keep it away from the valves, and b)use plenty of water to wash it away. Best, Jared Disbro __ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] "Will the........"
And you also have the "Smart Music" practising system which also uses a computer screen for displaying the notes. Per Ottar Don't forget The Orchestra Musician's CD-ROM Library. When I take my horn with me on business trips, my laptop becomes my music stand. Regards, Joe ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Fingerings, accidentals & making music
Although copyright laws forbid unauthorized copies, a little common sense would argue that the copying of a single part is hardly worth bringing expensive legal action. I like to mark my music, but knowing that, I carry, in my case, a special mechanical pencil with 0.9mm HB lead and silicon rubber, replaceable eraser that quickly removes the very legible marks with no smear. I can keep up with the conductor changing his mind. Some of the marking I do could be considered pretty stupid, so it's important to me to remove it before I pass it in. -Original Message- From: Bill Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'The Horn List' Sent: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:03:24 -0600 Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Fingerings, accidentals & making music Taking this off in a different direction, looking at the mechanics of setting up a community based music group. One of the problems I run across is following copyright laws. We do it. The down side is the transient nature of our membership. Some folks show up for a session then for various other reasons can't make the next. We end up not letting anyone take music home to practice because parts will start to disappear. I had suggested making copies of our limited library and letting people take them home. The copyright "smart people" were of the opinion that this would violate the copyright. Anyone else aware of this problem and come up with a good solution? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] "Will the........"
I like the idea but I would rather the power cords be out of the way of water that frequently comes out of my Horn. Every time I do a pit job I have to worry about hitting my horn/head/body in close quarters and even tripping over stand light wires, and for this to catch on I sure wish they could take care of the cord problem somehow. Plus, stands are frequently lost or stolen and since these things are much more costly I wonder how they will handle theft/borrowing. -William In a message dated 12/5/2005 2:11:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't forget The Orchestra Musician's CD-ROM Library. When I take my horn with me on business trips, my laptop becomes my music stand. Regards, Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WIlliam Botte Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:59 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] "Will the" Somebody asked, "Will the day come when our music stand is a flat screen computer?". The answer is, yes. The Woodwind and Brasswind folks sell a system call the Freehand Music Pad. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/joescarpelli%40earthlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] "Will the........"
Don't forget The Orchestra Musician's CD-ROM Library. When I take my horn with me on business trips, my laptop becomes my music stand. Regards, Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WIlliam Botte Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:59 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] "Will the" Somebody asked, "Will the day come when our music stand is a flat screen computer?". The answer is, yes. The Woodwind and Brasswind folks sell a system call the Freehand Music Pad. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/joescarpelli%40earthlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Fingerings, accidentals & making
> ...the thoughtful horn player who had the part last wrote in all > the fingerings to each note of a nontransposed part IN THE > WRONG KEY At least here in the USA, I find all the office supply stores carry little sticky "note-ettes." Some of them even come with little "greater than" symbols on them (this is, ">") so you can just stick one on above the key changes that manuscript music often hides. Of course, you can also get them in colors, so green could equal KEY CHANGE, red could mean DYNAMICS, etc.. Then, when the performance is over, you can flip through and unstick the stickies, and the music if right back where it was when you got it. I've used these things most effectively on music where the "road map" is torturous and I have only two rehearsals before the performance. In a musical show, you'll often cut from (for instance) measure 34 to measure 459... which involves turning pages and landing 1/2 way down in the middle of the page. My eyes respond well to the "flip the pages and find the green arrow" style of part marking. I'll bet we've all seen parts where there are giant red "X"'s painted across page-after-page, as if no one else in the world matters. Try the sticky note-ettes; you'll probably like them. And, if you're cheap like I am, THEY'RE EVEN REUSUABLE!!! jrc in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] "Will the........"
Somebody asked, "Will the day come when our music stand is a flat screen computer?". The answer is, yes. The Woodwind and Brasswind folks sell a system call the Freehand Music Pad. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Fingerings, accidentals & making music
I had a rehearsal for a moderen ballet this morning. The other first horn - a young extra player from another good orchestra - had inserted 6/8 at every empty measure, as there was just a rest sign for a full measure. This is anoying. So I pencil inserted 6/8 for every single measure during all the movement. I hope he get the message when he plays the rehearsal tomorrow. All courtesy accidental inserted by hime were awkwardly written just smearing the page. I erased them & inserted them small in clear writings as they were printed. I have not much hope that he will understand why or even wonder why his "calligraphy" was erased & things inserted a new. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christine Ranson Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:32 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Fingerings, accidentals & making music ARG now that IS annoying, when I was a brass bander I once had a testpiece that was covered in yellow highlighter! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Dumb question about Wagner tubas in Bruckner's 7th
But these are just a few measures as well as Pini di Roma by Respighi. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Bangs Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:57 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dumb question about Wagner tubas in Bruckner's 7th My score of the Rite of Spring calls for Horns 7 and 8 to play Wagner Tuba. Carl Bangs Hans wrote: >Other classic repertory with Wagner Tubas: Alpine Symphony by >R.Strauss (4), Sinfonietta by Janacek (horns play also Wagnertuba for a >few measures), a piece by a Finish composer, - in Vienna (Philharmonic) >they do (did ?) the Tenorhorn part of Heldenleben & Don Quixotte also >on Wagnertuba, with one Wagnertuba in Bb only, also Richard >Strauss: Josephslegende ballet with a hellish Wagnertuba part (I did it >severaltimes !), but it can be transferred to the Basstuba. > > > > > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Just Something That I Feel Like Saying
I figure I ought to just say this. While I find myself diametrically opposed to lots of political stuff from Hans, I really do appreciate reading all the things he has to pass along about the horn. I think he is a great resource and really appreciate his participation on this list and his willingness to share his knowledge. So, thank you Hans. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Fingerings, accidentals & making music
ARG now that IS annoying, when I was a brass bander I once had a testpiece that was covered in yellow highlighter! From: Erin Block <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Horn List To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Fingerings, accidentals & making music Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:08:25 -0800 (PST) I know we all have these problems with music, but I'll just take a moment to vent mine, as it's been driving my section crazy for the last year! I play in a small community band. While we own all the music in our library, it invariably gets passed from person to person through the years as players come and go. Some horn player several years back not only felt an important need to circle all key and time changes, many dynamic markings, accidentals, and occasionally little reminder messages to him/herself, but he or she did it all in red ink pen. Red! All over our horn music - and of course they must have rotated parts through the section all these years ago, b/c there is red ink on all parts, and for many, many pieces of music in our library. C'mon, people, we're horn players - we like to think we're among the brighter folks in the orchestra! Buy a pencil, write small, erase when you're done, and if you need to transpose, maybe think about writing it out on a little separate sheet of blank composition paper and keeping it with your music till you learn! Okay, I'm all done venting now. Thanks for putting up with it! Erin Block St. Louis, MO Dan Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Dec 3, 2005, at 12:44 PM, Jim McDermott wrote: > Obviously the music is rented. But as an amateur, if marking a > note or a fingering helps me play the passage properly, I'll > continue to do so. My rule is, 1 mistake is OK, but if I miss a > note twice, I mark it. And no, I did not learn my transpositions, > because all band music in America is transposed to F by the > publishers. I have no problem at all with marking up music in whatever way allows the performer to get it right, as long as those markings are done lightly in pencil, and then ***erased completely*** before the music is returned. Way too often, I have to read music that has been permanently disfigured and made much more difficult to read by previous users. It's a matter of common courtesy (as well as a contractual obligation in most cases) to clean up rental music before it is returned. Dan Dan Phillips Professor of Horn, University of Memphis webmaster: http://music.memphis.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ireland1006%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pristine_%40hotmail.com _ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Corrections & rental mat. Pt.3
I have had very off-putting note names written in. It isn't difficult to buy a rubber (eraser), usually very cheap in shops like WHSmiths, and rub them out! It makes for a good activity to relieve boredom whilst sitting in rehearsal too. From: "Joshua Cheuvront" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Horn List To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Corrections & rental mat. Pt.3 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:53:08 -0500 I once received the third horn part for Dvorak 9 with every single note name written in. Not only were they written in, but also many were incorrect. On top of this, the fingerings were written in for the short sections which were in F. To really finish things off, there were cuts marked with grease pencil, totally unremovable. Thank goodness for my Thompson Ed. parts! I'm playing 2nd on the Prokofiev 2nd pno cto tonight on a part where someone wrote "BEAT" in gigantic dark letters before most entrances. After the idiot who couldn't count measures had the part, someone changed, in ink pen, all the T's to N's so now my part says BEAN all over. Why don't the rental companies catch this and fine the offender for replacing the part? It's like renting a car with a flat tire! Josh Cheuvront Original Message Follows From: "Hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Horn List To: "'The Horn List'" Subject: [Hornlist] Corrections & rental mat. Pt.3 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:14:42 +0100 It is really unprofessional & (to say it in your young language) ansolutely "uncool", to insert as many fingerings as often done. I do not complain about the strings mainly, but about the wind players & here the horn players, who just have 3 keys plus the "turbo gear" at hand, but having so much problems, seemingly, to use their fingers for the few notes they have to play. Well, transposing might create problems - I do not speak here to the many amateurs, who often had not the opportunity to learn transposing in many keys. So young fellows, learn your lessons of transposing at least for A, G, E, Eflat, D & C (Dflat, B-basso, Bb-alto, Afl-alto & basso, B-natural or F# are very rarely used). Learn to read bass clef either. But do not smear the parts because you are not prepared enough. Blame your teachers also, as they did not expose you to such tasks so you could be prepared. May-be your teachers would have greater problems also, who knows. Prof.Hans Pizka ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pristine_%40hotmail.com _ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
