[Hornlist] Fwd: Lighter weight horns
---BeginMessage--- In a message dated 1/22/2006 2:37:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The result ? They thought these rotors would be lighter in weight then those made from solid stock, but fail. They resulted in lesss weight of few , very few grams. The machines did not run much faster, the horn was not much lighter on weight. But the working effort was too high. So they discontinued this model soon. -- It's such an interesting problem in instrument construction, that of reducing weight, that I think one should first ask the question, why do it? So I ask the posting public, do you think a lighter weight horn has advantages, and if so, what are they? I have strong opinions on this question, but I would really like to see what everyone else thinks. A lot of thought and work goes into the design of an instrument. A maker is usually after a certain goal. Do lighter horns, for whatever reason, meet your goals as a player? Dave Weiner Maryland Band Orchestra Brass Arts Unlimited ---End Message--- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] (Very Late) Survey Results
Dear List I'm very sorry that this is so late. I just ran across the disk I had the information on today, and thought that I would share the results of the survey I did a couple of months ago: Practice times averages: Mean: 9.9 hours per week. Median and mode were both 7 hours per week. The standard deviation was 10.2 86% of those who replied practice between -.3 and 20.1 hours per week. (one standard deviation from the mean) 96% of the same practice between -9.9 and 30.3 hours per week (two standard deviations from the mean) Thank you to everyone who responded to my survey, in case I have not thanked you already. I feel that the biggest thing I learned from this project is that a lot of people who love to play, and make the time to play don't consider themselves serious players. In my opinion, those who have a life outside of horn and find a way to include horn are indeed serious players. Hooray for the amateur hornist! William Foss Paul Ingraham's advice to young horn players: Find a good teacher. Practice diligently. Watch what you say to your colleagues. Will they stop teaching music in Kansas? After all, it's only theory. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re:Tuckwell's Paxman / Prof. G.'s tuben
For the record, the Paxman in question here was an F alto-Bb soprano double horn. Paxman made the one for BT to use on the Zelenka recordings with Bobby Routch on 2nd. He did return the horn after the sessions. I don't know if the Don't want it, won't buy it story is true but he told me that it was good for that repertoire. Paxman's Bb-Bbsoprano model has been in their catalogue for many years and I have known some good players who own(ed) them including Bobby Routch, Herb Winslow and Chuck Kavalovski. Alexander had an F alto-Bb soprano full double in their catalogue for a while but I never saw one in the brass. My teacher, Prof. I.M. Gestopftmitscheist, has recently discovered that the missnamed Wagner Tube (which he had discoverd earlier should actually be called the Mozart Tube since Mozart did write a hand tube concerto, later reworked for the bassoon that KBHCer's have heard him perform on occasion at camp on his right-handed-Eb-Wagner-Tube) actually has it's roots in the baroque era and was known as the Tube da caccia. Hand stopping was not known on this instrument in the baroque era as it did not start until the later classical era when the food got better and people grew bigger and had longer arms. The Prof. has aquired a four-valve model, previously owned by Paul Navarro and the USC marching band, which he has dubbed, appropriately I think, the Telemann Tube. This unusual instrument is pitched in F (or E or even Eb if you pull some slides) and has all the notes on it from A to F. He will be perforiming baroque masterpieces on this instrument at KBHC 2006 which should result in a revival or even a revile of interest in it. The good Prof. G. calls these sort of studies of the history of instruments hornography but did not get a trademark due to mispelling it on the application. Does anyone know if it is true that the first F alto horn was invented 15 minutes after the world premiere of the Schumann Konzertstueck? If so, who made it? Where is it now? Was it copied? If so, are the Chinese selling them on E-bay and for how much including shipping? Are they any good? Do they have a high E on them? Have your students brought them to lessons when you have assigned them Brandenburg 1 or 2 and told them they need a descant horn in order to play this repertoire? Can you practice M-A up an octave on them to improve your upper register the same as you can practice Kopprasch on a low F horn an octave lower to improve your low register? KB _www.horncamp.org_ (http://www.horncamp.org) In a message dated 1/22/2006 9:04:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:33:45 -0500 From: Ray Sonja Crenshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tuckwell's Paxman This talk of Barry Tuckwell's Holton reminds me of a story ... (Tuckwell) asked Paxmans to make him a Bb/Bb soprano horn which they duly did The horn did eventually sell to a Japanese gentleman One wonders how many of these Paxman could've possibly made? I played on back in the summer of 1981. Louis Stout Jr. had one and my air force band horn section convened at Louis Jr's for a round of quartets and such. That nasty Schumann piece with all the high E's was dragged out and, since I was playing 1st, Louis said, Hold on a second, I have something you might need for this. Louis came back holding a cool-looking double horn with nearly non-existent valve slides on one side. It's a Bb-HIGH Bb double. Well, I had a nice Eb, but I've never been all that good on E. Probably 'cause I've never had to play one in public. Anyway, I gave it a shot, but the E fizzed. Louis said, Yeah, that happens when I try it too. Wonder where the Paxman is now? ...and Louis? jrc in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Recent updates to hornplayer.net (21st January 2006)
Dave Weiner wrote, regarding the higher cost of a Yamaha 668V with its lighter rotors and other more labor-intensive methods of manufacture: the benefit is well worth the cost. When the distinction between a 668 and a 668V becomes what's holding back my playing, after first recovering from shock, then jumping for joy, I might consider it worth the cost. :) -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Fwd: Lighter weight horns
In a message dated 1/22/06 8:25:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's such an interesting problem in instrument construction, that of reducing weight, that I think one should first ask the question, why do it? So I ask the posting public, do you think a lighter weight horn has advantages, and if so, what are they? I have strong opinions on this question, but I would really like to see what everyone else thinks. Hello David, This is a very complex issue that requires a healthy amount of consideration concerning: musical goals technique goals instrument construction. It is also a subject that has a tendency to blur the lines between player empiricism and scientific data. You state that you have strong opinions on this subject therefore I have a question for you before we start the discussion. Since I believe that you are basically a tuba player, are your opinions based on your experience with the horn or the tuba? I believe that the difference between the two instruments addresses different issues and requirements. Paul Navarro ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Fwd: Lighter weight horns
In a message dated 1/22/2006 12:46:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since I believe that you are basically a tuba player, are your opinions based on your experience with the horn or the tuba? I believe that the difference between the two instruments addresses different issues and requirements. -- Well, my question was directed to the horn community in regards to their particular likes and dislikes, and the reasons therefor. I am curious to know what people like, and why. I certainly agree with Paul's assessment about different issues and requirements. As for my own opinions, they come from my observations as one who works with horn players on a daily basis, as one who test plays the horn (since as you quite rightly point out, I am a tuba player), and as one who works on horn maintenance and repair on a daily basis. In general, I believe that lighter is not necessarily better, and certainly not for its own sake. Nor is heavier necessarily better, just for its own sake. Just as a horn really only plays well if its tapers are within certain very narrow tolerances, I think the weight issue falls within a range of tolerances that affect the playing characteristics in a positive way. Fall outside those tolerances and the benefits are questionable or non-existent. I've seen lots of examples of players trying heavier bells, lighter bells, light rotors, heavy valve caps, and so on. Often a benefit is perceived in the short run, and almost as often the change is abandoned not very long after. In general, I view adding or subtracting weight as I view cryogenic treatment. Some benefit may be derived, but it is unpredictable. Now, the question may be viewed in another way, namely from the design perspective. Consider Englebert Schmid horns, which are engineered as lightweight as possible. I think it's an equally valid question to ask if a particular horn does what it was designed to do. If so, does it meet ones needs? Whether a particular design meets the needs of players is a matter for the players to say. So, if I may rephrase the question, I am curious to know if people chose their horns for the weight, and why, and what benefit they feel they get from the increased or decreased weight? I am always interested in what horn players prefer and why, which is why I participate in this list. Dave Weiner Maryland Band Orchestra Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Fwd: Lighter weight horns
Since I (and a few others on this list) play a Schmid I thought I'd put in my two pfennings worth. I do like the fact that the Schmid is lightweight, but I do not think it is the lightest out there since Finke's may be a few grams lighter. However I like the light weight because it is just easier and more comfortable to hold. As far as the playing goes if I'm more comfortable with the horn I'll play better - I don't really think it's the other way around. I don't think the lightness of the horn has anything to do with how it plays because everyone is different and there is no way to be objective about that. But, maybe there is some validity to it making the horn easier to hold thus easier to play? I know when I play on anything heavy like a Paxman or a Yamaha for a while, no matter how well they play (and the new Yamaha's are pretty decent I was surprised to find out) I still would rather get more tired due to how heavy the horn is. I like to play off the thigh as much as possible, and with a heavier horn since my muscles aren't used to it that much I would not be able to for very long with a much heavier horn. And playing differences between the lightest Finke and the heavier 668II were not that different to me when I tried them out this summer (although I'd probably go for the Finke). I try to sound like William on whatever horn I play anyway and I hope no horn will ever seriously change that. Besides, no matter how many grams lost here or there or new fangled metals you use unless you get the basics right no horn will really be a miracle. So, I always felt it was finding the right horn for you because there is no particular horn for everybody's tastes. -William In a message dated 1/22/2006 1:54:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, the question may be viewed in another way, namely from the design perspective. Consider Englebert Schmid horns, which are engineered as lightweight as possible. I think it's an equally valid question to ask if a particular horn does what it was designed to do. If so, does it meet ones needs? Whether a particular design meets the needs of players is a matter for the players to say. So, if I may rephrase the question, I am curious to know if people chose their horns for the weight, and why, and what benefit they feel they get from the increased or decreased weight? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Fwd: Lighter weight horns
I have recent experience that seems to fit into this thread, so I'll chime in here... For the past 2 years I've played a Paxman triple. I also play off the leg, and have been able to continue this even with the heavier horn, though of course not as easily as I did with my previous doubles. About 4 months ago had some free time and looked more in depth into the concept of the 'pip stick', and decided to try to construct a substitute. What I came up with does not connect to the horn totally at the center of gravity point (I have it connecting at an existing brace that is close to this point), which is best for ultimate ease of use, but even so, it does make holding the horn up much easier. Now that I find the overall concept successful, I will now work toward refinements. btw, I looked into purchasing one of these before trying to do my own, but the inventor (Pip Eastop) is in Britain, and his quote for the sale includes a lesson with him to explain usage - this was not practical, so did my own. Fred - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Fwd: Lighter weight horns Since I (and a few others on this list) play a Schmid I thought I'd put in my two pfennings worth. I do like the fact that the Schmid is lightweight, but I do not think it is the lightest out there since Finke's may be a few grams lighter. However I like the light weight because it is just easier and more comfortable to hold. As far as the playing goes if I'm more comfortable with the horn I'll play better - I don't really think it's the other way around. I don't think the lightness of the horn has anything to do with how it plays because everyone is different and there is no way to be objective about that. But, maybe there is some validity to it making the horn easier to hold thus easier to play? I know when I play on anything heavy like a Paxman or a Yamaha for a while, no matter how well they play (and the new Yamaha's are pretty decent I was surprised to find out) I still would rather get more tired due to how heavy the horn is. I like to play off the thigh as much as possible, and with a heavier horn since my muscles aren't used to it that much I would not be able to for very long with a much heavier horn. And playing differences between the lightest Finke and the heavier 668II were not that different to me when I tried them out this summer (although I'd probably go for the Finke). I try to sound like William on whatever horn I play anyway and I hope no horn will ever seriously change that. Besides, no matter how many grams lost here or there or new fangled metals you use unless you get the basics right no horn will really be a miracle. So, I always felt it was finding the right horn for you because there is no particular horn for everybody's tastes. -William In a message dated 1/22/2006 1:54:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, the question may be viewed in another way, namely from the design perspective. Consider Englebert Schmid horns, which are engineered as lightweight as possible. I think it's an equally valid question to ask if a particular horn does what it was designed to do. If so, does it meet ones needs? Whether a particular design meets the needs of players is a matter for the players to say. So, if I may rephrase the question, I am curious to know if people chose their horns for the weight, and why, and what benefit they feel they get from the increased or decreased weight? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re:Tuckwell's Paxman / Prof. G.'s tuben
The horn you are asking for, is really remade by Chinese sold via Ebay quite cheap. It works very nicely, has even the high a the double high bb, as you requested. But be aware about the shipping costs. Say, if you get it on Ebay for - they start with 0.99 $ on the item - if you lucky, for 0.99 $ or 1:50 $ if you have a co-bidder, they will charge you 658.99 $ US for shipping it to your address via EMS delivery within 48 hours after they receive the payment. And believe it or not, they accept Paypal since a few months. You will get the horn, but be aware, custom will give you much headache, not because of the tax - there is no tax at all, except for the state where the Prof.Gestopftmitscheisst has his residence - but because of the material. All made of brass is suspect for the Big Brass, as it could be transformed into a WMD be a big thread for the country therefore because of its acoustical impact if it is in the wrong hands. And the tuben ??? I think it is right time now for you, dear colleague professor, to get some tuben cleaner for all the tubes of yourself, I mean it right as said for your personal tuben, wherever you might locate them in your body (ear tuben, water tuben, garbage tuben, etc.). I would not let you play any more without cleaning your tuben before, specially the osmo-tic tuben. Take care. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Re:Tuckwell's Paxman / Prof. G.'s tuben For the record, the Paxman in question here was an F alto-Bb soprano double horn. Paxman made the one for BT to use on the Zelenka recordings with Bobby Routch on 2nd. He did return the horn after the sessions. I don't know if the Don't want it, won't buy it story is true but he told me that it was good for that repertoire. Paxman's Bb-Bbsoprano model has been in their catalogue for many years and I have known some good players who own(ed) them including Bobby Routch, Herb Winslow and Chuck Kavalovski. Alexander had an F alto-Bb soprano full double in their catalogue for a while but I never saw one in the brass. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] (Very Late) Survey Results
Special for young players as you, I have sent up my playing instructions of Mozarts K.447 495 concertos to my site: www.pizka.de click to Sitemapp (no misspelling, it was intentional, as my server jumped to my earlier Sitemap - right spelling - for some reason, had also changed the link on my index page without result) Scroll down to instructions and click to Mozart495 or Mozart447 Two big smilies indicate, that these files are working now. The special file for younger players is working also. www.pizka.de/younger.htm More to follow soon. Greetings from Munich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Foss Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:54 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] (Very Late) Survey Results Dear List I'm very sorry that this is so late. I just ran across the disk I had the information on today, and thought that I would share the results of the survey I did a couple of months ago: Practice times averages: Mean: 9.9 hours per week. Median and mode were both 7 hours per week. The standard deviation was 10.2 86% of those who replied practice between -.3 and 20.1 hours per week. (one standard deviation from the mean) 96% of the same practice between -9.9 and 30.3 hours per week (two standard deviations from the mean) Thank you to everyone who responded to my survey, in case I have not thanked you already. I feel that the biggest thing I learned from this project is that a lot of people who love to play, and make the time to play don't consider themselves serious players. In my opinion, those who have a life outside of horn and find a way to include horn are indeed serious players. Hooray for the amateur hornist! William Foss Paul Ingraham's advice to young horn players: Find a good teacher. Practice diligently. Watch what you say to your colleagues. Will they stop teaching music in Kansas? After all, it's only theory. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re:Tuckwell's Paxman / Prof. G.'s tuben
Hans, would you or someone else please post a link to one of these Chinese ebay horns you're talking about? I'm not in the market, but I'm curious, anyway. Thanks. -S- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] du] On Behalf Of Prof.Hans Pizka Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:13 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re:Tuckwell's Paxman / Prof. G.'s tuben The horn you are asking for, is really remade by Chinese sold via Ebay quite cheap. It works very nicely, has even the high a the double high bb, as you requested. But be aware about the shipping costs. Say, if you get it on Ebay for - they start with 0.99 $ on the item - if you lucky, for 0.99 $ or 1:50 $ if you have a co-bidder, they will charge you 658.99 $ US for shipping it to your address via EMS delivery within 48 hours after they receive the payment. And believe it or not, they accept Paypal since a few months. You will get the horn, but be aware, custom will give you much headache, not because of the tax - there is no tax at all, except for the state where the Prof.Gestopftmitscheisst has his residence - but because of the material. All made of brass is suspect for the Big Brass, as it could be transformed into a WMD be a big thread for the country therefore because of its acoustical impact if it is in the wrong hands. And the tuben ??? I think it is right time now for you, dear colleague professor, to get some tuben cleaner for all the tubes of yourself, I mean it right as said for your personal tuben, wherever you might locate them in your body (ear tuben, water tuben, garbage tuben, etc.). I would not let you play any more without cleaning your tuben before, specially the osmo-tic tuben. Take care. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Re:Tuckwell's Paxman / Prof. G.'s tuben For the record, the Paxman in question here was an F alto-Bb soprano double horn. Paxman made the one for BT to use on the Zelenka recordings with Bobby Routch on 2nd. He did return the horn after the sessions. I don't know if the Don't want it, won't buy it story is true but he told me that it was good for that repertoire. Paxman's Bb-Bbsoprano model has been in their catalogue for many years and I have known some good players who own(ed) them including Bobby Routch, Herb Winslow and Chuck Kavalovski. Alexander had an F alto-Bb soprano full double in their catalogue for a while but I never saw one in the brass. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridays computer.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Recent updates to hornplayer.net (21st January 2006)
Piston valves are made of plates and tubes, but don't seem to add to the cost of the instrument. With a little bit of thought, I'm sure improvements could be made, but standard construction seems quite adequate. It doesn't surprise me that Yamaha is discontinuing their 'custom' horns. I still have yet to play one of those 'custom' horns that is significantly better than the student model of the same design, although their assembly line horns play exceedingly well. I have yet to see any evidence that a large group of 'custom' horn builders can support themselves on wages low enough that Yamaha can compete in the world market. Who are these 'custom' builders, and where do their credentials and training come from? I have a strong suspicion that the ' custom' horn works is a subsidiary of the Emperor Suit Company. Caveat emptor. One advantage to owning seventeen horns is I've developed a pretty good idea of what makes a good horn good, at least to my satisfaction. -Original Message- From: Prof.Hans Pizka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:37:26 +0100 Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Recent updates to hornplayer.net (21st January 2006) Steve, custom horns are made in very limited numbers custom, means in small series, with a lot more effort on controlling, which means, there is a lot more of working hours. So the cost increase. This is the one cost increasing factor. The other is the constructing of the hollow rotor, which is not done by maschining. As Dave said, they are made of tubes plates. Preparing the bigger tube with the plates on both sides the axle going through is enough delicate work, but inserting the bent tubes going through the holes is a real mess. Soldering these tubes is another mess, followed by machining the whole thing so it runs smoothly in the casings is a big mess. The result ? They thought these rotors would be lighter in weight then those made from solid stock, but fail. They resulted in lesss weight of few , very few grams. The machines did not run much faster, the horn was not much lighter on weight. But the working effort was too high. So they discontinued this model soon. And, is it necessary that the valves run that quickly, as most players have difficulties following the music in time anyway ? So regular valves are fast enough, if they work properly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 11:08 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Recent updates to hornplayer.net (21st January 2006) Ah - sounds like one of those a lot more cost for a little more benefit sort of things. Not that that's necessarily bad, of course. Good to know, and thanks very much. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Fwd: Lighter weight horns
I'm glad you pointed out the subtleties that have to be considered. The way the weight question seems always to be presented is like asking, What's better, a sports car or a truck? Farkas once stated that a symphonic horn should weigh about five pounds. I find triples, which weigh more, to be tiring, with no added benefit. A descant with an F attachment I find works better for me, and covers the same range The horn that everyone uses as an example of a big symphonic horn, the Conn 8D, is built too thin and light to be particularly efficient. My quietest horn, perfect for pit work, is very light, has compensating valves, but with a bell throat much larger than an 8D. Imagine a Horner model Kruspe wrapped like a Wendler. For many years I owned one really good horn that I used for everything. Now, depending on the demands, I use several different instruments. Very good specialty horns are usually very good bargains because demand is lower for an instrument that has perceived weaknesses. A good way to get a feel for this is to pick up a Bb horn. King makes a copy of an old Schmidt that can be found for $200-250 on ebay. Have an F crook made for the stopping valve, and learn to use the horn for its agility. Before you know it, you'll be trading in your symphonic horn for a much better one now that you've got the Bb to cover the light stuff. Playing will become much more fun. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:46:14 EST Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Fwd: Lighter weight horns In a message dated 1/22/06 8:25:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's such an interesting problem in instrument construction, that of reducing weight, that I think one should first ask the question, why do it? So I ask the posting public, do you think a lighter weight horn has advantages, and if so, what are they? I have strong opinions on this question, but I would really like to see what everyone else thinks. Hello David, This is a very complex issue that requires a healthy amount of consideration concerning: musical goals technique goals instrument construction. It is also a subject that has a tendency to blur the lines between player empiricism and scientific data. You state that you have strong opinions on this subject therefore I have a question for you before we start the discussion. Since I believe that you are basically a tuba player, are your opinions based on your experience with the horn or the tuba? I believe that the difference between the two instruments addresses different issues and requirements. Paul Navarro ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Fwd: Lighter weight horns
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The horn that everyone uses as an example of a big symphonic horn, the Conn 8D, is built too thin and light to be particularly efficient... Obviously, you haven't hefted a current 8D. My Eastlake 8D is the heaviest horn I own. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Cleaning unlaquered silver
If it is nickel-silver, use the same as for cleaning brass. If it is silver plated, use any silver polish, to polish the black away, but polish it finally using one of these micro fibre towels available at super markets. It is also a good polish for your glasses if you use glasses. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John M. Ward Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 2:52 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Cleaning unlaquered silver What is the best cleaner to use on a Yamaha unlaquered silver horn? It has been a long time since it has been cleaned. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Fwd: Lighter weight horns
Or you became weaker than ever before . The old story . Ho-ho ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Houston Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 1:13 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Fwd: Lighter weight horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The horn that everyone uses as an example of a big symphonic horn, the Conn 8D, is built too thin and light to be particularly efficient... Obviously, you haven't hefted a current 8D. My Eastlake 8D is the heaviest horn I own. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
