[Hornlist] Re: [Re:] Sticky Valves?
>from: "Jerry Houston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >subject: Re: [Hornlist] Sticky Valves? >Maybe that's what Rachel meant by putting a horn "in a vise." Thanks Jerry; I knew this had appeared someplace on list before writing the other post-and the apology was written before I'd seen this. >Surely she wouldn't suggest tightening the jaws of a vise on the >horn itself. Of course not... best- Rachel Harvey Disclaimer: The material in this mail is based upon a combination of real experiences, acquired knowledge, and personal opinion. Disputes may be entertained by sending private mail to the address listed above. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: Norma - horns
But I sat on horn THREE with this insertede passage of first
& second horn "in macanza di Corno primo". And both horn
pairs are imployed in this number. It is not like in
Beethovens Fidelio or no.9 sinfonia, where the two horn
pairs alternate. But it is as usual when the part of the
"banda" is inserted ("in macanza di banda") and the banda
(stage band) is played by the orchestra.
Please, please, friends, you have not to explain parts or
inscriptions for me AFTER nearly 50 years FULL TIME in a
FULL TIME orchestra of the top class of opera orchestras and
the longest existing orchestra of European culture, please.
I just reported the curiosity of the publisher. - and I do
speak Italian fluently - and I am used to smaller ensembles
too, where things have to be adapted ...
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If you're playing this with only two horns and the scoring
calls for two two horn sections. It would be proper to cover
parts one and three so you aren't missing the entire horn
presence, only the second part harmony. The notation would
then alert the two players to sections requiring the harmony
to be covered rather than just covering the principal part
of each two horn section.
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Sent: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:56:39 +0200
Subject: RE: [Hornlist] RE: Norma - horns
They are not, be sure. If the orchestra would be a small
orchestra, they would have horn 1 & 2 but not horn 3 & 4.
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Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Norma - horns
Hans --
This is just a guess, but perhaps this notation is for when
the particular aria is performed as a "bleeding chunk" on a
concert program?
Assuming that horns 3 and 4 are the primary parts for this
aria, it could then be performed by a smaller orchestra (2
horns)?
Regards,
-Michael Henry
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date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:54:56 +0200
from: "Hans.Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
subject: [Hornlist] Norma - horns
I played third horn last night for the opera "Norma" (same
name as a very successful supermarket chain). Horns 1 & 2
and 3 & 4 are set as pairs in the parts, but there is a spot
near the Finale of the 2nd act, where horn 1 & 2 are
inserted into the parts 3 & 4, just half notes & full 4/4
held, a phrase of 4 measures in the middle range, but
repeated a second time. The curious thing is it that there
is a printed note : "in macanza die Corno Imo & Iido". Very
curious, as it means "only be played if missing horn 1 & 2".
How should this happen ? Sneaked out for pee, perhaps or
more severe ? Could understand that in hot southern Italy,
but normally ? How brainless can publishers be ?
Off course, there are cases where it is appropriate to
inscribe: "in macanza di Corno 3 & 4" or "in macanza di
tromboni", as to be found in Beethovens Leonore 3 ouverture,
so it can be played by a smaller orchestra with less winds.
But "in macanza die Corno primo & secondo" ??? Very crazy
!!
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[Hornlist] Take-back: No to Horn in a Vise
Please do not put your horn in a VISE Apologies to all. I made a slip here. I do recall mentioning a repair shop should be the first place to take the horn for diagnosis? Rachel Harvey Disclaimer: The material in this mail is based upon a combination of real experiences, acquired knowledge, and personal opinion. Disputes may be entertained by sending private mail to the address listed above. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Sticky Valves?
from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take the lighter fluid (kerosene) I just wanted to set the record straight: Most valve oil is mostly kerosene (aka lamp oil, aka paraffin in the UK) Lighter fluid is naptha, a known minor carcinogen, and much more volatile. Regards, -- Jerry in the Woods ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Airline-Compliant Case-Holton Millenium Merker
hello- About the flying with Horns on airlines- I have had both good and bad luck with my non-cut bell flying in and out of JKF and elsewhere. If you get past the security checkpoint by not calling attention to how it is too large (holding in awkardly between you legs or down low near the desks...) then you are normally ok. What I do on the plane, with much staged embarassment, is pretend that I thought it would fit in the overhead compartment and try to stuff it in there -even though mine never has. Then ask politely for help from the flight attendant when it doesn't fit. Politely, firmly, and as if you are totally surprized tell them that this cannot be checked, but ask if they could put it in the coat storage closet. They might argue a little but that is the key; all planes with a first class section have a little closet for coats, and you can normally get them to stick it in there. I have also convinced them to put it in the Pilot's personal storage area a few times. If you simply, firmly and politely make it clear that checking with the rest of luggage is just not an option you'll get through. Before I perfected my negotiating skills I had some bad experinces. Never, ever let them check your horn. They (can't remember which airline) once lost mine horn in JFK for a WEEK. I called multiple times at my expense daily and it was several days until they even found where it was, then had to ship it and deiver it. Another time I went to get my horn and my Conn case was destroyed. I mean large pieces of the plastic casing broken off and chipped, and the enire thing destroyed. I filed all the paperwork and contacted the airline many, many times (both politely and not I must say) and they stalled and didn't do a thing. By the time I got to the right place and people it had been more than 48 hours by some fine print they were exempt from all responsibility, or so they said. Moral of the story: don't check your Horn ever, but if you do and it is hurt, do not leave the airport that day, period, until you have a real name to contact or already have. I had to pay myself for a new case and many braces re-soldered. I am sure there was other non-visable damage to the horn I am unaware of too. I was not a happy camper that week, so don't let them do that to you and your horn! Anyone planning to travel nowadays should buy a cut-bell horn or get theirs cut I am convinced. best wishes, Dave Meichle Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Sticky Valves?
In a message dated 6/30/06 10:04:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > When I need a horn held steady for something I'm about to do to it, I place > in the vise a wood block out of which extend two parallel wood dowels, > spaced to fit into two sides of a valve slide or tuning slide. That holds > the horn safely and securely, while I clean it, solder a brace, or whatever > needs done. > Jerry, This is a somewhat similar procedure used by some repair techs. Not everyone knows about this and even if they did, it is still possible for someone who is not familiar with this tool / technique to badly damage their horn. this is quite different than putting your horn in a vise. Sometimes it is necessary to be specific. Remember, Chris, who posted the question said he had only been playing horn for about a week. Paul Navarro Custom Horn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Sticky Valves?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 1:20:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Place the horn on one's lap or in a vise with the slides pointing straight up. A repair person on this list will have the best way to do this . Rachael, Are you serious??? Never, I repeat, never, put your horn in a vise. When I need a horn held steady for something I'm about to do to it, I place in the vise a wood block out of which extend two parallel wood dowels, spaced to fit into two sides of a valve slide or tuning slide. That holds the horn safely and securely, while I clean it, solder a brace, or whatever needs done. Maybe that's what Rachel meant by putting a horn "in a vise." Surely she wouldn't suggest tightening the jaws of a vise on the horn itself. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Sticky Valves?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 1:20:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Place the horn on one's lap or in a vise with the slides pointing straight up. A repair person on this list will have the best way to do this . Rachael, Are you serious??? Never, I repeat, never, put your horn in a vise. Paul Navarro Custom Horn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jerry.houston%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Sticky Valves?
In a message dated 6/30/06 1:20:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Place the horn on one's lap or in a vise with the slides pointing > straight up. A repair person on this list will have the > best way to do this . > Rachael, Are you serious??? Never, I repeat, never, put your horn in a vise. Paul Navarro Custom Horn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Concert Bands
Logically, it follows that you teach others how to teach. John Baumgart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 12:18 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Concert Bands I'm also familiar with the old saw, 'If you can't do, teach', so I see no irony in the situation. So what do you do if you can't even teach? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Bill McHenry/Raleigh/IBM is on vacation returning Mon, July 10th
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Re: [Hornlist] Airline-Compliant Case-Holton Millenium Merker
At 1:29 PM -0700 6/30/06, Fred Baucom wrote: Couple of caviats - this arrangement was worked out for professional (union) musicians, and I have not traveled with my horn since that time, so I do not know if airport personnel will ask for union id. No ID required in my single experience, and that not part of the deal. There's no mention of being a professional musician in the letter, simply that a musical instrument is permitted as a third carry-on. What works much better than the TSA letter is just being nice, being positive, smiling. I've had to use the letter only once for a bitchy flight attendant. She had suggested that I buy a seat for my horn. She showed the letter to the captain. She came back, dealt with the horn, and suggested again that I buy a seat for it. On another two flights here in Mexico, I was given a seat for my horn, including snack service. Carlberg -- Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: carlbergbmug - http://skype.com/ My ISP feels that some of my e-mails are not worthy of deliverance. If you do not receive something you expect, please ask me to resend. I apologize for my ISP's evaluation of my e-mail's worthiness. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Sticky Valves?
In a message dated 6/30/2006 5:04:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or it could be a barrel of plastic also. But not any metal as it could damage the plate or scratch at least. One quick-fix type of tool to set a bearing plate is a bottle cap such as the one that comes on a bottle of Al Cass Fast valve oil. Usually works well, and won't mar your horn. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Norma - horns
If you're playing this with only two horns and the scoring calls for two two horn sections. It would be proper to cover parts one and three so you aren't missing the entire horn presence, only the second part harmony. The notation would then alert the two players to sections requiring the harmony to be covered rather than just covering the principal part of each two horn section. -Original Message- From: Hans.Pizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'The Horn List' Sent: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:56:39 +0200 Subject: RE: [Hornlist] RE: Norma - horns They are not, be sure. If the orchestra would be a small orchestra, they would have horn 1 & 2 but not horn 3 & 4. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Henry Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 7:44 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Norma - horns Hans -- This is just a guess, but perhaps this notation is for when the particular aria is performed as a "bleeding chunk" on a concert program? Assuming that horns 3 and 4 are the primary parts for this aria, it could then be performed by a smaller orchestra (2 horns)? Regards, -Michael Henry -- message: 11 date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:54:56 +0200 from: "Hans.Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] Norma - horns I played third horn last night for the opera "Norma" (same name as a very successful supermarket chain). Horns 1 & 2 and 3 & 4 are set as pairs in the parts, but there is a spot near the Finale of the 2nd act, where horn 1 & 2 are inserted into the parts 3 & 4, just half notes & full 4/4 held, a phrase of 4 measures in the middle range, but repeated a second time. The curious thing is it that there is a printed note : "in macanza die Corno Imo & Iido". Very curious, as it means "only be played if missing horn 1 & 2". How should this happen ? Sneaked out for pee, perhaps or more severe ? Could understand that in hot southern Italy, but normally ? How brainless can publishers be ? Off course, there are cases where it is appropriate to inscribe: "in macanza di Corno 3 & 4" or "in macanza di tromboni", as to be found in Beethovens Leonore 3 ouverture, so it can be played by a smaller orchestra with less winds. But "in macanza die Corno primo & secondo" ??? Very crazy !! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Sticky Valves?
You can also fix the bearing plate, by first removing it & setting it in properly (there are marking which must be aligned. To set it right flat, get a thin but strong plastic tube, get it cut flat, put it at the bearing plate so it covers the niple, set the plate in with two light hammer stokes upon the plastic tube. You could use a flat cut piece of wood, where a bit more than the diameter of the nipple is cut out in the middle. This is the same old methode used still today by the makers. Or it could be a barrel of plastic also. But not any metal as it could damage the plate or scratch at least. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 7:21 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Sticky Valves? >from: Snapfoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >subject: [Hornlist] Sticky Valves? >my first valve and occasionally my Bb trigger will stick Any advice? Hi Chris- Here is what I would do personally and good luck! __ 1) If I were a brand new hornist and my valves stuck for the first time, the instinct is to get the oil out and drop a lot into the slides and into the rotor top and bottom. __ 2) If the oil didn't work, I'd try lighter fluid. ***This is a QUICK fix-and the lighter fluid must be washed out asap with clear warm water. Of course, everyone knows about not smoking around lighter fluid (I had to say this).*** Place the horn on one's lap or in a vise with the slides pointing straight up. A repair person on this list will have the best way to do this (if it is indicated). Take the lighter fluid (kerosene) and put just a FEW DROPs straight down the open tube of the slide and be careful NOT to hit the walls of the tube-or else any grease and dirt that may be present will slide into the valve-making it even dirtier. __ 3) If the oil and/or kerosene do not work, then it would be time to diagnose the problem. Many starter hornists do not realize that sticky valves can be caused things other than lack of oil or too much dirt: a) If string-operated valves, the string is so tight that the valves will not throw properly. In this case, it is necessary to made adjustments to the tensioning screws with a tiny screwdriver. b) If bumper 'corks' are out of position-or, (as Hans suggested) the back plate is out of alignment, you can only fix one of these things - the cork with a razor. There have been a number of nice responses to the bumper cork and neo post that was sent some days back (thank you listers!) and one of them does have a good method of installing and seating cork or neo. ***Kids, don't try this at home unless you are a repair Kid*** The back plate should be removed and reset by a repair shop. At the same time, they will clean your valves and do any other fixes to the horn that are needed. __ UNLESS someone has properly instructed you how to do this yourself, it is not recommended that you do this at home. The valves have to be tapped out and then reseated. This is a specific process that has to be done absolutely correctly, the first time and every time. If this is done incorrectly, your valves can be destroyed- especially when reseating the back plate. __ c) If the valves are tapped out, this is the perfect time to clean them. Soap and warm water are okay for this-and Dawn detergent leaves the least amount of residue (in fact you can bathe cats, dogs and birds with Dawn). d) If none of the above, the one other thing that could be a factor (and which is rare) are lever springs that have lost their tensioning factor. Although I have never met anyone else this happened to-it did happen on my old 8D years ago. The springs for the 3 levers became so loose that the levers just sprang 'backward'-due to the (counter-springs present underneath the instrument on the lever arm assemblies (is that what they are called, repair guys?) A spring that is 'losing its tensioning factor' will respond more slowly than a spring that is undamaged-and one symptom is slower lever response. The springs must be replaced, once the tensioning is damaged. There is no way to repair a spring after damage. Last note: when oiling the horn-and it is found that the slides need a bit of grease, you want to make absolutely certain that all excess oil has been drained out of the horn and some air blown through the instrument to get the last of it before applying grease. Failing to do this can cause the grease to mix with the extra oil, making a sludge which will clog the valves. best wishes Rachel Harvey Disclaimer: The material in this mail is based upon a combination of real experiences,
RE: [Hornlist] Old Vienna Horn on ebay - ' Very old French horn VIENNAVALVES! "Kalenda Troppau"'
This horn is a true example of the Viennese horns in the style of Josef Felix Riedl (Vienna), but it is badly damaged & the starting price is really a fantasy price. And it is not a "rotary horn" as it has pumpen-valves. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard V. West Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:48 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Old Vienna Horn on ebay - ' Very old French horn VIENNAVALVES! "Kalenda Troppau"' Well, for starters it's missing the F leadpipe insert and/or the Bb bit that fits into the receiver. The worst part, however, is how badly the throat section is flattened. A real (and undoubtedly expensive) challenge to restore to playing condition, if at all. Richard in Seattle Steve Freides wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170003153 680 > > I'm not interested in buying it, curious if any list members have any > comments about it. > > -S- > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornfella%40c omcast.net > > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: Norma - horns
They are not, be sure. If the orchestra would be a small orchestra, they would have horn 1 & 2 but not horn 3 & 4. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Henry Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 7:44 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Norma - horns Hans -- This is just a guess, but perhaps this notation is for when the particular aria is performed as a "bleeding chunk" on a concert program? Assuming that horns 3 and 4 are the primary parts for this aria, it could then be performed by a smaller orchestra (2 horns)? Regards, -Michael Henry -- message: 11 date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:54:56 +0200 from: "Hans.Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] Norma - horns I played third horn last night for the opera "Norma" (same name as a very successful supermarket chain). Horns 1 & 2 and 3 & 4 are set as pairs in the parts, but there is a spot near the Finale of the 2nd act, where horn 1 & 2 are inserted into the parts 3 & 4, just half notes & full 4/4 held, a phrase of 4 measures in the middle range, but repeated a second time. The curious thing is it that there is a printed note : "in macanza die Corno Imo & Iido". Very curious, as it means "only be played if missing horn 1 & 2". How should this happen ? Sneaked out for pee, perhaps or more severe ? Could understand that in hot southern Italy, but normally ? How brainless can publishers be ? Off course, there are cases where it is appropriate to inscribe: "in macanza di Corno 3 & 4" or "in macanza di tromboni", as to be found in Beethovens Leonore 3 ouverture, so it can be played by a smaller orchestra with less winds. But "in macanza die Corno primo & secondo" ??? Very crazy !! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Airline-Compliant Case-Holton Millenium Merker
Fred Baucom wrote: Here in the U.S. in the latter part of 2002, the musicians union (AFM) here worked out an arrangement with the U.S. Dept. of Transportation, so that now you should be able to declare you are carrying a musical instrument and security and flight personnel are supposed to honor this and allow the instrument on-board. This is a little misleading. The agreement simply allows musicians to carry a musical instrument through security screening in addition to the normally allowed carry-on baggage. Carry-on baggage (including musical instruments) must conform to each airline's rules. This includes number of bags and size. Check with your airline well in advance of your flight for their specific policies. In general, if it fits in the overhead compartment and you carry it like a backpack or over-the-shoulder-bag, you'll be fine. Greg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Airline-Compliant Case-Holton Millenium Merker
Here in the U.S. in the latter part of 2002, the musicians union (AFM) here worked out an arrangement with the U.S. Dept. of Transportation, so that now you should be able to declare you are carrying a musical instrument and security and flight personnel are supposed to honor this and allow the instrument on-board. There were letters from both the Dept of Trans and the AFM that could be printed out, to be presented at the airport in case personnel were not familiar with this agreement - these letters used to be obtainable on the AFM website, but I haven't looked in a long time. Couple of caviats - this arrangement was worked out for professional (union) musicians, and I have not traveled with my horn since that time, so I do not know if airport personnel will ask for union id. If in doubt about this or any other related issue (for example, whether they will allow your Sousaphone on board), would recommend calling the airport security office prior to arrival to get the big ok (along with the name of the person giving that ok), so that you won't be hassled (and maybe late for your flight) when you get there. Fred - Original Message - From: "Hans.Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Airline-Compliant Case-Holton Millenium Merker The dimensions for the on-boad-case are regulated internationally. They are 22 x 16 x 8 inches or 55 x 40 x 20 cms. If the flat case fits into this more or less (bit thicker but also shorter e.g.), nobody might expect any< problem. Non cut bell cases , well, it depends on the tolerance of the check-in personal. If they make trouble, insist, that the instrument is necessary professional equipment & be extremely sensitive for damage, so they check it separately, tag it, board it by yourself but check it with the flight attendance so to place it into their special storage. Ask for "delivery at the gate". It worked all times even the flight was full. The horn will be safe & you avoid the hassle placing it over head or between the seats. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:50 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Airline-Compliant Case-Holton Millenium Merker From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Hornlist] Gig Bag quick recommendations for a gig bag to take on an airplane? Holton cut bell case Hi Kim- When I bought my (Holton)Millennium Merker in 2000, it came with a square hard case that had been especially measured & designed to fit into one of those airplane 'measuring devices' (or whatever) that all airports have these days. fyi: the horn has a cut bell. The inside of the case is shaped in such a manner that the horn rests in what I would call a 'cater-corner' configuration-the bell on one side, the horn and mouthpiece on the other; and it is an extremely durable piece of work. I have not been on a plane for a very long time, and when I was on a plane, the horn did not go along-therefore I am unable to provide you with a subjective opinion. I can only trust the word of the case designer-one Peter Piorkowski (did I get that name right?)-that this case will fit on the overhead inside the plane. Peter may or may not be on this list, or perhaps on David's horn list- but at the time I bought the horn, he was still checking with hornists to see how they liked his new case design. I hope this will be of some help to you. best wishes Rachel Harvey Disclaimer: The material in this mail is based upon a combination of real experiences, acquired knowledge, and personal opinion. Disputes may be entertained by sending private mail to the address listed above. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Sticky Valves?
In a message dated 6/30/2006 2:21:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Place the horn on one's lap or in a vise with the slides pointing straight up. A repair person on this list will have the best way to do this (if it is indicated). --- In an VISE?!?! This repair person suggests that the best way to do this is not to do it. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Gounoud Music
To everyone who offer resources, thanks. Not only did I get a place to order the music, I got several others places to seek out sheet music. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Norma - horns
Hans -- This is just a guess, but perhaps this notation is for when the particular aria is performed as a "bleeding chunk" on a concert program? Assuming that horns 3 and 4 are the primary parts for this aria, it could then be performed by a smaller orchestra (2 horns)? Regards, -Michael Henry -- message: 11 date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:54:56 +0200 from: "Hans.Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] Norma - horns I played third horn last night for the opera "Norma" (same name as a very successful supermarket chain). Horns 1 & 2 and 3 & 4 are set as pairs in the parts, but there is a spot near the Finale of the 2nd act, where horn 1 & 2 are inserted into the parts 3 & 4, just half notes & full 4/4 held, a phrase of 4 measures in the middle range, but repeated a second time. The curious thing is it that there is a printed note : "in macanza die Corno Imo & Iido". Very curious, as it means "only be played if missing horn 1 & 2". How should this happen ? Sneaked out for pee, perhaps or more severe ? Could understand that in hot southern Italy, but normally ? How brainless can publishers be ? Off course, there are cases where it is appropriate to inscribe: "in macanza di Corno 3 & 4" or "in macanza di tromboni", as to be found in Beethovens Leonore 3 ouverture, so it can be played by a smaller orchestra with less winds. But "in macanza die Corno primo & secondo" ??? Very crazy !! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Sticky Valves?
>from: Snapfoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >subject: [Hornlist] Sticky Valves? >my first valve and occasionally my Bb trigger will stick >Any advice? Hi Chris- Here is what I would do personally and good luck! __ 1) If I were a brand new hornist and my valves stuck for the first time, the instinct is to get the oil out and drop a lot into the slides and into the rotor top and bottom. __ 2) If the oil didn't work, I'd try lighter fluid. ***This is a QUICK fix-and the lighter fluid must be washed out asap with clear warm water. Of course, everyone knows about not smoking around lighter fluid (I had to say this).*** Place the horn on one's lap or in a vise with the slides pointing straight up. A repair person on this list will have the best way to do this (if it is indicated). Take the lighter fluid (kerosene) and put just a FEW DROPs straight down the open tube of the slide and be careful NOT to hit the walls of the tube-or else any grease and dirt that may be present will slide into the valve-making it even dirtier. __ 3) If the oil and/or kerosene do not work, then it would be time to diagnose the problem. Many starter hornists do not realize that sticky valves can be caused things other than lack of oil or too much dirt: a) If string-operated valves, the string is so tight that the valves will not throw properly. In this case, it is necessary to made adjustments to the tensioning screws with a tiny screwdriver. b) If bumper 'corks' are out of position-or, (as Hans suggested) the back plate is out of alignment, you can only fix one of these things - the cork with a razor. There have been a number of nice responses to the bumper cork and neo post that was sent some days back (thank you listers!) and one of them does have a good method of installing and seating cork or neo. ***Kids, don't try this at home unless you are a repair Kid*** The back plate should be removed and reset by a repair shop. At the same time, they will clean your valves and do any other fixes to the horn that are needed. __ UNLESS someone has properly instructed you how to do this yourself, it is not recommended that you do this at home. The valves have to be tapped out and then reseated. This is a specific process that has to be done absolutely correctly, the first time and every time. If this is done incorrectly, your valves can be destroyed- especially when reseating the back plate. __ c) If the valves are tapped out, this is the perfect time to clean them. Soap and warm water are okay for this-and Dawn detergent leaves the least amount of residue (in fact you can bathe cats, dogs and birds with Dawn). d) If none of the above, the one other thing that could be a factor (and which is rare) are lever springs that have lost their tensioning factor. Although I have never met anyone else this happened to-it did happen on my old 8D years ago. The springs for the 3 levers became so loose that the levers just sprang 'backward'-due to the (counter-springs present underneath the instrument on the lever arm assemblies (is that what they are called, repair guys?) A spring that is 'losing its tensioning factor' will respond more slowly than a spring that is undamaged-and one symptom is slower lever response. The springs must be replaced, once the tensioning is damaged. There is no way to repair a spring after damage. Last note: when oiling the horn-and it is found that the slides need a bit of grease, you want to make absolutely certain that all excess oil has been drained out of the horn and some air blown through the instrument to get the last of it before applying grease. Failing to do this can cause the grease to mix with the extra oil, making a sludge which will clog the valves. best wishes Rachel Harvey Disclaimer: The material in this mail is based upon a combination of real experiences, acquired knowledge, and personal opinion. Disputes may be entertained by sending private mail to the address listed above. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Concert Bands
As far as style goes, it's related to the level of enjoyment presented
as well as how many pieces must be sliced from the pie. 'Drop outs', as
you seem to be describing them (certainly not failures if they are
making more than a professor), are usually those who are spending
inordinate amounts of time developing their musical talents and
experience. The correct terminology is 'quitting one's day job'. I'm
also familiar with the old saw, 'If you can't do, teach', so I see no
irony in the situation. So what do you do if you can't even teach?
-Original Message-
From: David Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: The Horn List
Sent: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:50:05 -0400
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Concert Bands
Walter E. Lewis wrote:
> ... It's ironic to me that a dropout can make more money with his >
style of music than a college professor and a retired school >
teacher...what does that say for our society?
That the big bucks are with the teen crowd?
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{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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Re: [Hornlist] Old Vienna Horn on ebay - ' Very old French horn VIENNA VALVES! "Kalenda Troppau"'
Well, for starters it's missing the F leadpipe insert and/or the Bb bit that fits into the receiver. The worst part, however, is how badly the throat section is flattened. A real (and undoubtedly expensive) challenge to restore to playing condition, if at all. Richard in Seattle Steve Freides wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170003153680 I'm not interested in buying it, curious if any list members have any comments about it. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornfella%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] re.horn digest vol42 issue 34/ horn for sale on Ebay
Good day to the List: I'm mailing with respect to a Paxman 20L horn, described as two years old, that was just sold on Ebay. The UK seller appeared to have little technical knowledge, and an enquiry concerning the horn was poorly answered . I called Paxman's on this one, and the instrument was supplied to the Birmingham Conservatory in '97. Perhaps the buyer would be wise to check the progeny of this horn. - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Old Vienna Horn on ebay - ' Very old French horn VIENNA VALVES! "Kalenda Troppau"'
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170003153680 I'm not interested in buying it, curious if any list members have any comments about it. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: RE: [Hornlist] Airline-Compliant Case-Holton Millenium Merker
Hello - On a recent band trip to New York, one of our trombonists managed to carry her trombone (in the standard (large) brown Bach trombone case) onto the airplane! That case is about 36 inches by 12 inches by 10 inches (very rough estimates)! None of the check in personel, flight attendants, etc. made any comment about it, though it probabally helped that that was all that she was carrying on. It fit in the overhead bin fine, and there was space to stash plenty of flutes, clarinets, etc. around it. I can't remember what type of plane we flew, but the airline was Jet Blue. Ben On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:36:28 +0200 "Hans.Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The dimensions for the on-boad-case are regulated > internationally. They are 22 x 16 x 8 inches or 55 x 40 x 20 > cms. If the flat case fits into this more or less (bit > thicker but also shorter e.g.), nobody might expect any< > problem. Non cut bell cases , well, it depends on the > tolerance of the check-in personal. Benjamin Reidhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poudre School District, Ft. Collins, Co. "No opera plot can be sensible, for people do not sing when they are feeling sensible." W. H. Auden (1907 - 1973) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Airline-Compliant Case-Holton Millenium Merker
Dear Kim? I have flown a lot with my Knopf as a fixed bell horn when my wife worked for Northwest. Of course a fixed bell case is not an airline legal carry-on and many times I flew alone and was receiving any "special" treatment. I have also flow many times with a reunion blues gig bag which also didn't fit in the size check cage however, the reunion blues bag appears to fit under the seat in front. Anyways, to tie my wife in, when I flew with a fixed bell case, the wife told me to ask the flight attendants if I could put my horn in their luggage storage or the first-class locker. The first class locker is an especially good bet during the summer when there won't be any winter coats in it. I usually add on that this is a historic or especially expensive ($1?) and rare horn. In all the times I have flown, nearly 200 international and domestic flight, I have never had to check my horn or suffered any damages following those rules. Sincerely, C From: "Kerri Bridges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Horn List To: "The Horn List" Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Airline-Compliant Case-Holton Millenium Merker Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:24:27 +0200 Kim If it's of any help, I just came back from a flight on which I brought a horn with me into the cabin. I flew on a Lufthansa Airbus 340 and was allowed to bring the horn into the cabin and it fit into the middle overhead compartment quite comfortably. On a Boeing 737 flight, the case wouldn't fit into the above and had to be put inbetween seats. However, this was on a sparse Air Namibia flight where they were quite relaxed. The horn case is the standard for a non-detachable bell. Good luck! Kerri On 30/06/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Hornlist] Gig Bag >quick recommendations for a gig bag to take on an airplane? >Holton cut bell case Hi Kim- When I bought my (Holton)Millennium Merker in 2000, it came with a square hard case that had been especially measured & designed to fit into one of those airplane 'measuring devices' (or whatever) that all airports have these days. fyi: the horn has a cut bell. The inside of the case is shaped in such a manner that the horn rests in what I would call a 'cater-corner' configuration-the bell on one side, the horn and mouthpiece on the other; and it is an extremely durable piece of work. I have not been on a plane for a very long time, and when I was on a plane, the horn did not go along-therefore I am unable to provide you with a subjective opinion. I can only trust the word of the case designer-one Peter Piorkowski (did I get that name right?)-that this case will fit on the overhead inside the plane. Peter may or may not be on this list, or perhaps on David's horn list- but at the time I bought the horn, he was still checking with hornists to see how they liked his new case design. I hope this will be of some help to you. best wishes Rachel Harvey Disclaimer: The material in this mail is based upon a combination of real experiences, acquired knowledge, and personal opinion. Disputes may be entertained by sending private mail to the address listed above. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bridgesk%40gmail.com -- Kerri Bridges Tamboerskloof (+27) 73 994 5278 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/osakochris%40hotmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Airline-Compliant Case-Holton Millenium Merker
The dimensions for the on-boad-case are regulated internationally. They are 22 x 16 x 8 inches or 55 x 40 x 20 cms. If the flat case fits into this more or less (bit thicker but also shorter e.g.), nobody might expect any< problem. Non cut bell cases , well, it depends on the tolerance of the check-in personal. If they make trouble, insist, that the instrument is necessary professional equipment & be extremely sensitive for damage, so they check it separately, tag it, board it by yourself but check it with the flight attendance so to place it into their special storage. Ask for "delivery at the gate". It worked all times even the flight was full. The horn will be safe & you avoid the hassle placing it over head or between the seats. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:50 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Airline-Compliant Case-Holton Millenium Merker >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Hornlist] Gig Bag >quick recommendations for a gig bag to take on an airplane? >Holton cut bell case Hi Kim- When I bought my (Holton)Millennium Merker in 2000, it came with a square hard case that had been especially measured & designed to fit into one of those airplane 'measuring devices' (or whatever) that all airports have these days. fyi: the horn has a cut bell. The inside of the case is shaped in such a manner that the horn rests in what I would call a 'cater-corner' configuration-the bell on one side, the horn and mouthpiece on the other; and it is an extremely durable piece of work. I have not been on a plane for a very long time, and when I was on a plane, the horn did not go along-therefore I am unable to provide you with a subjective opinion. I can only trust the word of the case designer-one Peter Piorkowski (did I get that name right?)-that this case will fit on the overhead inside the plane. Peter may or may not be on this list, or perhaps on David's horn list- but at the time I bought the horn, he was still checking with hornists to see how they liked his new case design. I hope this will be of some help to you. best wishes Rachel Harvey Disclaimer: The material in this mail is based upon a combination of real experiences, acquired knowledge, and personal opinion. Disputes may be entertained by sending private mail to the address listed above. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Norma - horns
I played third horn last night for the opera "Norma" (same name as a very successful supermarket chain). Horns 1 & 2 and 3 & 4 are set as pairs in the parts, but there is a spot near the Finale of the 2nd act, where horn 1 & 2 are inserted into the parts 3 & 4, just half notes & full 4/4 held, a phrase of 4 measures in the middle range, but repeated a second time. The curious thing is it that there is a printed note : "in macanza die Corno Imo & Iido". Very curious, as it means "only be played if missing horn 1 & 2". How should this happen ? Sneaked out for pee, perhaps or more severe ? Could understand that in hot southern Italy, but normally ? How brainless can publishers be ? Off course, there are cases where it is appropriate to inscribe: "in macanza di Corno 3 & 4" or "in macanza di tromboni", as to be found in Beethovens Leonore 3 ouverture, so it can be played by a smaller orchestra with less winds. But "in macanza die Corno primo & secondo" ??? Very crazy !! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Concert Bands
Walter E. Lewis wrote:
... It's ironic to me that a dropout can make more money with his
style of music than a college professor and a retired school
teacher...what does that say for our society?
That the big bucks are with the teen crowd?
{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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RE: [Hornlist] Concert Bands
Hi Everyone, I want to add a bit on this thread, since I am honored to serve my city, Warren, Michigan as Secretary of the Cultural Commission. Warren is the third largest city in Michigan, only behind Detroit and Grand Rapids in population. In Warren, the Cultural Commission takes a portion of the annual budget and give small stipends to the Symphony, Band and Chorus. We also sponsor a Winter and Summer concert series, the winter series in nursing homes, naturally for the elderly, and a Summer Concert in the park series. This year the city will have concerts on 9 Sunday evenings. The concerts began last Sunday evening and will finish on August 29th. I think Kim's idea of sending money to a local organization instead of NPR and PBS is good, in fact, I've been doing it for years. When the telemarketers for the Detroit Symphony or Detroit Institute of Arts call me, I politely decline and always tell them that I contribute to organizations where I will receive the benefit by being able to perform with that organization. I give of my time to serve as a board member of the Warren Concert Band as well as playing Principal horn. Since I have served on boards of a couple of different community organizations, I have learned that the smaller community organizations can really scuffle to find funds to produce a season. Unfortunately, the Symphony I spent over 25 years playing with (I also spent time as a board member), has suspended operations until they can raise enough money to have another season. It is so sad when these things happen. By supporting one of these smaller organizations by attending a concert, or by especially writing a check, (usually the admission price for a concert won't cover the cost of the concert) in the end it comes back to you. We as musicians and artists are in a battle to survive, especially since the folks on Madison Avenue think that our kind of music is not sexy or lurid enough to sell CD's or videos. Such a waste... In Warren, we're having a 50th Anniversary of the founding of the city next year. I am serving on a committee organizing this event. We are looking for a major artist to perform at the city festival. So far, our options aren't the greatest...The committee is not really interested in Eminem or Mitch Ryder (who both grew up in Warren) Unfortunately, Rick Seraphinoff hasn't gotten a big enough name :-). Eminem, Rick and I all went to the same high school...At least Rick and I finished, more than I can say for the Slim Shady. It's ironic to me that a dropout can make more money with his style of music than a college professor and a retired school teacher...what does that say for our society? To end my rant, we musicians that play in these smaller organizations have got to keep working hard not just playing, but promoting ourselves, or we're going to wake up and not have a place to play. Get involved and in the end, you're helping yourself. Walt Lewis Interesting idea, and I wonder how oftem people consider giving money to bands. Our town band is funded through city Arts Commission funds, and I guess they do ok at that. Kim writes: IMHO, I think that, instead of sending money to NPR and PBS, folks should be sending some cash to their local concert band if they'd like to support local concert bands. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wlewis9637%40wowway.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.6/378 - Release Date: 6/28/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.6/378 - Release Date: 6/28/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Airline-Compliant Case-Holton Millenium Merker
Kim If it's of any help, I just came back from a flight on which I brought a horn with me into the cabin. I flew on a Lufthansa Airbus 340 and was allowed to bring the horn into the cabin and it fit into the middle overhead compartment quite comfortably. On a Boeing 737 flight, the case wouldn't fit into the above and had to be put inbetween seats. However, this was on a sparse Air Namibia flight where they were quite relaxed. The horn case is the standard for a non-detachable bell. Good luck! Kerri On 30/06/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Hornlist] Gig Bag >quick recommendations for a gig bag to take on an airplane? >Holton cut bell case Hi Kim- When I bought my (Holton)Millennium Merker in 2000, it came with a square hard case that had been especially measured & designed to fit into one of those airplane 'measuring devices' (or whatever) that all airports have these days. fyi: the horn has a cut bell. The inside of the case is shaped in such a manner that the horn rests in what I would call a 'cater-corner' configuration-the bell on one side, the horn and mouthpiece on the other; and it is an extremely durable piece of work. I have not been on a plane for a very long time, and when I was on a plane, the horn did not go along-therefore I am unable to provide you with a subjective opinion. I can only trust the word of the case designer-one Peter Piorkowski (did I get that name right?)-that this case will fit on the overhead inside the plane. Peter may or may not be on this list, or perhaps on David's horn list- but at the time I bought the horn, he was still checking with hornists to see how they liked his new case design. I hope this will be of some help to you. best wishes Rachel Harvey Disclaimer: The material in this mail is based upon a combination of real experiences, acquired knowledge, and personal opinion. Disputes may be entertained by sending private mail to the address listed above. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bridgesk%40gmail.com -- Kerri Bridges Tamboerskloof (+27) 73 994 5278 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Airline-Compliant Case-Holton Millenium Merker
>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Hornlist] Gig Bag >quick recommendations for a gig bag to take on an airplane? >Holton cut bell case Hi Kim- When I bought my (Holton)Millennium Merker in 2000, it came with a square hard case that had been especially measured & designed to fit into one of those airplane 'measuring devices' (or whatever) that all airports have these days. fyi: the horn has a cut bell. The inside of the case is shaped in such a manner that the horn rests in what I would call a 'cater-corner' configuration-the bell on one side, the horn and mouthpiece on the other; and it is an extremely durable piece of work. I have not been on a plane for a very long time, and when I was on a plane, the horn did not go along-therefore I am unable to provide you with a subjective opinion. I can only trust the word of the case designer-one Peter Piorkowski (did I get that name right?)-that this case will fit on the overhead inside the plane. Peter may or may not be on this list, or perhaps on David's horn list- but at the time I bought the horn, he was still checking with hornists to see how they liked his new case design. I hope this will be of some help to you. best wishes Rachel Harvey Disclaimer: The material in this mail is based upon a combination of real experiences, acquired knowledge, and personal opinion. Disputes may be entertained by sending private mail to the address listed above. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
