RE: [Hornlist] Confusing.........
For what it's worth, much Jewish liturgy in use today is still in Aramaic. I forget the specifics at the moment but I believe parts of the Old Testament are in Aramaic, and quite a few prayers that are parts of the regular Sabbath and daily services are in Aramaic as well. It is not horribly different from Hebrew and not difficult to see the connection between the languages in most cases. -S- > -Original Message- > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > du] On Behalf Of Klaus Bjerre > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:52 PM > To: The Horn List > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Confusing. > > It is a blessing, that a couple of members (one of them being > you, Hans) knowledgeable about the old terms have entered this thread. > > But what are the differences between > > Aramäisch > > aramæisk > > Aramaic > > Aramean > > aside from endings fitting national grammar practises. And > then national practises of capitalisation. English even > happens to have two variants according to > > http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&p=lURE.&search=aramaic > > The two first samples are German and Danish. They may come > out oddly at some screens due to limited ASCII-interpretations. > > We had a major spelling reform just after the war taking our > spelling further away from German. > The reasons may be obvious. However my middle name origins > from very much before the reform, and we take a pride in > upholding the old spelling, which made it possible to find 3 > as on a row as in "Graaand" (ordinary wild European duck). > With todays spelling my middle name would have been Smedegård. > > When I taught on the Faroes, I was disgusted by a local > government decree prohibiting the usage of the same letter in > triple. The Faroese language is very complex and detailed. In > my eyes that decree ruined their linguistic structure. > > Our Royal House issued a decree on how they wanted the term > of the successor couple spelled. > Formally there are two options, but they chose the less > common one, which really is an offence in the ears of > connoisseurs of our language. The commercial TV follows the > decree. The state TV speaks true Danish. > > Of course this is a horn list, but then language and horn > playing styles both used to have a whole lot to do with > national identities. > > > When I was a teen, I could tell the nationality of an > orchestra heard on the radio just by the horn playing style. > Today all styles are very much closer to each other. > Technically and intonationwise the levels have increased dramatically. > > But do I miss just a tiny bit of personality in the overall > sound picture? I tend to think so, even if I can hear the > difference between sections leaning heavily on the Bb-side > and those preferring the F-side. > > This thread has been around. I have been sharply tongued. My > main wish is peace especially in a currently hot area having > been implicitly discussed. > > Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre > > --- hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sorry, we know this languiage as "Aramaean". In your language it > > became "Araimic", one of the many "verballhornings" in the English > > language (has reason in the pronounciation). Aramaean is > the language > > of the Syrians. > > "Babalonians" is also similar "verballhorned" as in the classical > > epoque they were named "Babylonians" as the city was Babylon not > > Babalon. > > > > But nevertheless, similar things happen in the German > language more & > > more, just simplifying the things (by a government ordered > "language > > reform") , so every idiot will get a high score at the > language tests > > ... > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridays > computer.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Confusing.........
It is a blessing, that a couple of members (one of them being you, Hans) knowledgeable about the old terms have entered this thread. But what are the differences between Aramäisch aramæisk Aramaic Aramean aside from endings fitting national grammar practises. And then national practises of capitalisation. English even happens to have two variants according to http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&p=lURE.&search=aramaic The two first samples are German and Danish. They may come out oddly at some screens due to limited ASCII-interpretations. We had a major spelling reform just after the war taking our spelling further away from German. The reasons may be obvious. However my middle name origins from very much before the reform, and we take a pride in upholding the old spelling, which made it possible to find 3 as on a row as in "Graaand" (ordinary wild European duck). With todays spelling my middle name would have been Smedegård. When I taught on the Faroes, I was disgusted by a local government decree prohibiting the usage of the same letter in triple. The Faroese language is very complex and detailed. In my eyes that decree ruined their linguistic structure. Our Royal House issued a decree on how they wanted the term of the successor couple spelled. Formally there are two options, but they chose the less common one, which really is an offence in the ears of connoisseurs of our language. The commercial TV follows the decree. The state TV speaks true Danish. Of course this is a horn list, but then language and horn playing styles both used to have a whole lot to do with national identities. When I was a teen, I could tell the nationality of an orchestra heard on the radio just by the horn playing style. Today all styles are very much closer to each other. Technically and intonationwise the levels have increased dramatically. But do I miss just a tiny bit of personality in the overall sound picture? I tend to think so, even if I can hear the difference between sections leaning heavily on the Bb-side and those preferring the F-side. This thread has been around. I have been sharply tongued. My main wish is peace especially in a currently hot area having been implicitly discussed. Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre --- hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry, we know this languiage as "Aramaean". In your > language it became "Araimic", one of the many > "verballhornings" in the English language (has reason in the > pronounciation). Aramaean is the language of the Syrians. > "Babalonians" is also similar "verballhorned" as in the > classical epoque they were named "Babylonians" as the city > was Babylon not Babalon. > > But nevertheless, similar things happen in the German > language more & more, just simplifying the things (by a > government ordered "language reform") , so every idiot will > get a high score at the language tests ... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: German Translation apology for Klaus and for Chris
"sie" (speaking about more than one individuals) or "Sie" (direct speaking to somebody) can also be plural & is not gender related. "sie" can als be plural for the neutrum (it). = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of harveycor Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:08 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: German Translation apology for Klaus and for Chris I apologize to Klaus and to Chris (and to anyone else) for attempting to make a correction to their posts in a language which is not my native speech, but which I have a true affection for. Whatever; I should keep my mouth shut on things that are not HR. I was curious, nothing more, on this. Please don't wipe up this list with my remains because the following is from my mom who is native German. she said specifically: sie or Sie it means 'you' and is capitalized; it also means 'they' and is not capitalized; it also means 'she' and is not capitalized. she did not mention 'it' and I did not ask best wishes Rachel Harvey ___ ...It only goes to show that if you keep your head firmly tucked into your Kopprasch, nothing can hurt you-as long as the metronome doesn't run down... -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Send Horn mailing list submissions to > horn@music.memphis.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Horn digest..." > > > Please edit replies to include only relevant text. Please DO NOT > include the entire digest in your reply. For more netiquette information, see: > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Today's Topics: > >1. Repair in NM (Bo Gusman) >2. RE: Recording (Howard Sanner) >3. Re: Re: German translation (Klaus Bjerre) >4. RE: Religious Instruments NHR (Steven Ovitsky) >5. RE: Religious Instruments NHR (hans) >6. RE: Religious Instruments NHR (Steven Ovitsky) > > > -- > > message: 1 > date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:09:28 -0700 > from: Bo Gusman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: [Hornlist] Repair in NM > > > > message: 6 > > date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:12:01 -0500 > > from: Timothy Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > subject: [Hornlist] Repair person in NM? > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I'm moving to Albuquerque, NM and am wondering if anyone could > > recommend an excellent instrument repair person there. Feel free to > > contact me off-list if you like. Thanks in advance! > > > > Tim Bradley > > > > Contact Jim Patterson at Patterson Horn Works in Las Cruces. > > */Patterson Hornworks/* > > */3380 Thurmond Rd./* > > */Las Cruces, NM 88012/* > > */505 373-0789/* > > */866 559-HORN toll free/* > > > > > > -- > > message: 2 > date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:40:48 -0400 > from: Howard Sanner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: [Hornlist] RE: Recording > > Peter Hirsch says: > > > I have purchased 2 Marantz PMD (Models 660 and 670)units over the > > last couple of years and am quite happy with their ease of use and > > quality of recording. > > > The thing that bothers me about these Marantz units is that for > uncompressed audio they do 16 bit, 44.1 KHz (CD standard, which, in > practice, is what you'll use most) and 48 KHz ONLY. If I were getting > something new today, I'd look, at least, for 24 bit sample size, and > probably also for 88.2 KHz or 96 KHz sampling rate. The longer sample > size makes setting levels less critical. > > A friend whose opinion I respect (and who's getting a bcc: of this) > tells me that 24 bit samples give more improvement in sound quality > than higher sample rates. FWIW, I can only do 16/44.1 at the moment, > and I do find I need to be careful with levels on "live" (as opposed > to dubs from records or broadcasts) recordings. In fact, I find > setting digital levels at sessions and concerts to be MUCH more > critical than it ever was with analog, which, theoretically, at least, > is noisier. > > Though the CD is limited to 16/44.1 and two channels, audio DVD's are > not. > > Howard Sanner > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > > message: 3 > date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:27:06 -0700 (PDT) > from: Klaus Bjerre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: German translation > > I am grateful towards Christopher Earnest, as he saves me from being > impolite towards somebody spelling
RE: [Hornlist] Confusing.........
Sorry, we know this languiage as "Aramaean". In your language it became "Araimic", one of the many "verballhornings" in the English language (has reason in the pronounciation). Aramaean is the language of the Syrians. "Babalonians" is also similar "verballhorned" as in the classical epoque they were named "Babylonians" as the city was Babylon not Babalon. But nevertheless, similar things happen in the German language more & more, just simplifying the things (by a government ordered "language reform") , so every idiot will get a high score at the language tests ... == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WIlliam Botte Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:20 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Confusing. I'm confused, didn't the Jewish people speak Araimic after leaving the Babalonians into and much later after the Diaspora? The modern Hebrew language and alphabet is different than Araimic, see the Dead Sea Scrolls. Araimic was used by the Babalonians and after 900BC was the commercial lingu franca later supplanted by Greek and Latin. And Araimic was the precursor to several other modern Southwestern Med. languages. As Latin became French, Spanish Italian etc. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Recording (Howard Sanner)
Howard Sanner said: message: 2 date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:40:48 -0400 from: Howard Sanner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] RE: Recording Peter Hirsch says: I have purchased 2 Marantz PMD (Models 660 and 670)units over the last couple of years and am quite happy with their ease of use and quality of recording. The thing that bothers me about these Marantz units is that for uncompressed audio they do 16 bit, 44.1 KHz (CD standard, which, in practice, is what you'll use most) and 48 KHz ONLY. If I were getting something new today, I'd look, at least, for 24 bit sample size, and probably also for 88.2 KHz or 96 KHz sampling rate. The longer sample size makes setting levels less critical. A friend whose opinion I respect (and who's getting a bcc: of this) tells me that 24 bit samples give more improvement in sound quality than higher sample rates. FWIW, I can only do 16/44.1 at the moment, and I do find I need to be careful with levels on "live" (as opposed to dubs from records or broadcasts) recordings. In fact, I find setting digital levels at sessions and concerts to be MUCH more critical than it ever was with analog, which, theoretically, at least, is noisier. Though the CD is limited to 16/44.1 and two channels, audio DVD's are not. Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] And I say: Thanks very much for this additional data. As I said, and I am not being falsely modest, I really know nothing about recording techniques, despite my vocation, avocation and membership in the Association of Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC) and this data about the sampling rate is useful to know. I take no pride in this ignorance, but I just have never had the time to delve into this area far enough to become competent. The that day may be approaching, so I am glad to hear such useful information. I believe there is a model 671 that is largely identical to the 670, but offers the higher rate, but I'd have to check on that. My playback system is good, but not high ticket audiophile and I do not do the sort of recordings in the field with the Marantz that would draw a lot of attention to the recording level. I have found it most excellent for spoken word (I believe that is one of its major selling points) and for making analog to digital transfers from tape cassettes and phonodiscs, since space considerations do not allow for connecting these sources to my PC directly. This way, I just pop out the flash memory card or 2 GB mini-hard drive and stick it in the multi-format reader I have attached via USB to my computer. I can read it where it is as another drive or transfer the files onto the hard drive. This set of procedures probably makes no sense to anyone who actually knows what they are doing, but it works for me in my present setup and produces results that can be stored away on the PC or burned onto a CD that sound more than decent on my middle-grade playback equipment. I would like to upgrade all of this eventually and welcome more of the sort of comments you have contributed so far. Thanks again, Howard, Peter ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: German Translation apology for Klaus and for Chris
I apologize to Klaus and to Chris (and to anyone else) for attempting to make a correction to their posts in a language which is not my native speech, but which I have a true affection for. Whatever; I should keep my mouth shut on things that are not HR. I was curious, nothing more, on this. Please don't wipe up this list with my remains because the following is from my mom who is native German. she said specifically: sie or Sie it means 'you' and is capitalized; it also means 'they' and is not capitalized; it also means 'she' and is not capitalized. she did not mention 'it' and I did not ask best wishes Rachel Harvey ___ ...It only goes to show that if you keep your head firmly tucked into your Kopprasch, nothing can hurt you-as long as the metronome doesn't run down... -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Send Horn mailing list submissions to > horn@music.memphis.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Horn digest..." > > > Please edit replies to include only relevant text. Please DO NOT include the > entire digest in your reply. For more netiquette information, see: > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Today's Topics: > >1. Repair in NM (Bo Gusman) >2. RE: Recording (Howard Sanner) >3. Re: Re: German translation (Klaus Bjerre) >4. RE: Religious Instruments NHR (Steven Ovitsky) >5. RE: Religious Instruments NHR (hans) >6. RE: Religious Instruments NHR (Steven Ovitsky) > > > -- > > message: 1 > date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:09:28 -0700 > from: Bo Gusman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: [Hornlist] Repair in NM > > > > message: 6 > > date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:12:01 -0500 > > from: Timothy Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > subject: [Hornlist] Repair person in NM? > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I'm moving to Albuquerque, NM and am wondering if anyone could > > recommend an excellent instrument repair person there. Feel free to > > contact me off-list if you like. Thanks in advance! > > > > Tim Bradley > > > > Contact Jim Patterson at Patterson Horn Works in Las Cruces. > > */Patterson Hornworks/* > > */3380 Thurmond Rd./* > > */Las Cruces, NM 88012/* > > */505 373-0789/* > > */866 559-HORN toll free/* > > > > > > -- > > message: 2 > date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:40:48 -0400 > from: Howard Sanner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: [Hornlist] RE: Recording > > Peter Hirsch says: > > > I have purchased 2 Marantz PMD (Models 660 and 670)units over the last > > couple of years and am quite happy with their ease of use and quality of > > recording. > > > The thing that bothers me about these Marantz units is that for > uncompressed audio they do 16 bit, 44.1 KHz (CD standard, which, in > practice, is what you'll use most) and 48 KHz ONLY. If I were getting > something new today, I'd look, at least, for 24 bit sample size, and > probably also for 88.2 KHz or 96 KHz sampling rate. The longer sample > size makes setting levels less critical. > > A friend whose opinion I respect (and who's getting a bcc: of this) > tells > me that 24 bit samples give more improvement in sound quality than > higher sample rates. FWIW, I can only do 16/44.1 at the moment, and I do > find I need to be careful with levels on "live" (as opposed to dubs from > records or broadcasts) recordings. In fact, I find setting digital > levels at sessions and concerts to be MUCH more critical than it ever > was with analog, which, theoretically, at least, is noisier. > > Though the CD is limited to 16/44.1 and two channels, audio DVD's are > not. > > Howard Sanner > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > > message: 3 > date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:27:06 -0700 (PDT) > from: Klaus Bjerre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: German translation > > I am grateful towards Christopher Earnest, as he saves me from being impolite > towards somebody > spelling her ignorance out in capitals. Very literally so. > > When it comes to reading German, I in list contexts am aware of very few > members > of this list > surpassing me. They all are working in German orchestras. German was one of > the > 3 languages into > which I was fluent at age 2. My German vocabulary is larger than the ones of > most young Germans, > and I know more about German history than they do. > > But I was taught German as a first language, while I grew up in Germany. Even > t
[Hornlist] Confusing.........
I'm confused, didn't the Jewish people speak Araimic after leaving the Babalonians into and much later after the Diaspora? The modern Hebrew language and alphabet is different than Araimic, see the Dead Sea Scrolls. Araimic was used by the Babalonians and after 900BC was the commercial lingu franca later supplanted by Greek and Latin. And Araimic was the precursor to several other modern Southwestern Med. languages. As Latin became French, Spanish Italian etc. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Recording
On Jul 22, 2006, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I were getting something new today, I'd look, at least, for 24 bit sample size, and probably also for 88.2 KHz or 96 KHz sampling rate. The longer sample size makes setting levels less critical. A friend whose opinion I respect (and who's getting a bcc: of this) tells me that 24 bit samples give more improvement in sound quality than higher sample rates A higher number actually gives a shorter sample length and will not change your level setting needs at all -- the bit rate effects that. The sampling rate determines the frequency response of the signal -- sr/2 is the limit, so a 44k sr will capture sounds up to 22k hz, a 96 with capture sounds op to 48k hz. Most adults can only hear to about 16k, so the only thing we'll hear from the increased sampling rate are differencials between higher harmonics, and to capture those, you are spending massive amounts of money on microphones that will respond in that frequency range. The bit rate is what changes the "signal to noise ratio" (to use the obsolete analogue term). Each sample is represented by a single byte. In 16-bit land, it's between 0 2^16. For 24 bit, it's between 0 and 2^24. The higher bit rate can capture things with a greater dymanic contrast than the 16. That being said, you also have to invest in serious mics and especially mic pre-amps to capture that signal. Plus, most speakers have much lower tolerances than any of the recording technologies, so unless you're capturing with the belief that playback technology is improving (I think it's going the other way with the convenience of iPods) or have a $10k pair of speakers, it might be a moot point. Certainly, if you record skillfully, CD quality is certainly good enough. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
