[Hornlist] Too many sacrafices......
Gee, I don't know if becoming a good hornist is worth all that is expected of me: proper oral hygiene habits are not followed prior to playing. What!? No more morning warm-up with hot cocoa marshmellows? too much (excess) slide grease is being used in combo with over oiling. What? No more bacon, eggs buttered toast, either? If you put oil into the horn, drain the excess oil before playing. But ... I like my private percussion session. Wash hands after exposure to grease or oil. But ... it makes my hands so soft, smooth young looking. Don't inhale thru the horn. No more getting high from huffing Walmart lamp oil? I thought it was helping my upper register. Don't swallow anything that comes out of the horn. Now you've gone too far ... That's the best part of horn playing. (Mineral oil is an effectve laxative.) The 'gunk' is not from poor oral hygiene. Rather, it is the accumulation of missed notes. Avoiding wrong notes can reduce and in some cases eliminate the gunk buildup. FINALLY, someone on this list demonstrates critical thinking skills. Maybe I'll stay with the horn after all. Valerie, retired RN, having second thoughts ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Too many sacrafices, cont.
Don't swallow anything that comes out of the horn. Awwwthat's the best part. What are you going to tell me next? I can't eat paint chips anymore? Valerie, AKA Lead Brain, AKA Grease Head, AKA Bacon Lips, AKA Nose Runner, AKA Chicken Tooth, AKA Crisco Tongue, AKA Slippery Farkas, AKA Harry Pitts [For questions, comments, additional nick name suggestions email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Noisy valves./lubricants
What with the problems reported with the Seattle Symphony I wonder if this guy was being scouted by one of the two sides there to help smooth out some of those problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Baucom Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:45 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Noisy valves./lubricants Ha! I am totally impressed - the rifle is a very nice touch. Wonder if he brings his own explosives for performances of the 1812. But I would not want to get this guy angry with me - he might put something down my leadpipe that would cause formation of green stuff, or worse, want me to go tramping with him in 19th century attire... Thank you, Professor, this absolutely 'made my day'... - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 3:10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Noisy valves./lubricants T'was scribed: Our Regimental armourer gave me a can of aerosol spray used to free up and lubricate parts on Ruger rifles. It seems to be solving the problem gradually, along with gently easing the slides free. I'd welcome input on using a product like this anywhere on the horn. Now, it seems that these ruminifications about oils, greases, foods, cruds, goos, craps, emulsions, lubricants, etcs., etcs., etcs., have really, really, really, made the runnings of all of the gamuts this time and until this request, it has totally been the SOS de la SOS but now, me being the expert that I am in oils and lubes, am stumpified on this one so why don't you make the contacts with this guy down under because it looks to me that it is the mostestest of likelies that he may have the informations we all want and need: _Click here: Symphony musician charged over explosives - Christchurch News - The Press_ (http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/thepress/4022640a6530.html) Kindestest of Greetonings and Mostestest of Freedoms, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Bad Corner Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps, The Phantom Lane Changers (summer only) Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte World's Leading Hand Horn Soloist Who Brought the Instrument into the 20th Century (buy my CD of the Hindemith Sonata, Gliere Concerto, and the Davies Sea Eagle on the F crook) Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College, Exit 2, NJ (Ret.) Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn, Pest Control and Home Petroleum Studies, Northern New Hampshire Technical Institute, Bad Corner, NH Author, The Kopprasch Connection, Kopprasch for Fun and Profit, Kopprasch for the New Millenium: Where Do you Fit In? Hooked on Hornonics, What If Saddam Had Given Ouday and Qusay Olds Ambassador or Conn Pan American Single F Horns and a Kopprasch Book Instead of AK 47's, Booze and Porn? and The DaVinci Clam: Was Kopprasch Possibly God's Other Son? Founder, Director and CEO, Universal Institute for the Study, Preservation and Dissemination of Kopprasch Throughout the Solar System Founder and Guru Extraordinaire, Hornaholics Anonymous Grand Poobah of the Koppraschian Kult Director and Program Manager, The All Kopprasch Channel (AKC), Kopprasch Public Radio (KPR) Host of The Kopprasch Factor on AKC and All Kopprasch Considered on KPR Founder of Kopprasch Depot, your one stop shop for all you need! Owner-Operator, Bad Corner Petroleum Laboratory, The Worlds Largest Valve Oil Factory Founder and Disseminator of CLAMSAA, the Universal Holiday for Horn Players Interplanetarily Known Soloist and Artist of Record Exclusive Amborg, Bundy, Carl Fischer, Olds Ambassador, Sansone and Conn Artist Who Does Not Get His Horns For Free Phone: yes Fax: yes Web Site: sort of E-mail: yes Kopprasch will help your marksmanship. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: Advice for a Noisey H179
Valerie WELLS wrote: Hmmm (Excuse me while I put my dusty nurse's hat back on for a moment.) This product may be good for the horn, but I'm not sure this stuff is good for the hornist. Kerosene, even very pure kerosene, is quite volatile I have concerns about inhaling fumes of a petroleum distillant. I forwarded Valerie's message on to my Oncology nurse son-in-law. So with the link below I offer my support for Valerie http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/print/ency/article/002807.htm Regards, Joe ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/joescarpelli%40earthlink.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Kerosene
Sorry for this post, my teacher who normally replies to such nonsense took the day off. Re: _Click here: Medical Encyclopedia: Kerosene (Print Version)_ (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/print/ency/article/002807.htm) Yes, if you swallow it or inhale a huge amount of fumes for an extended period! So, now a question: What valve oil available commercially does NOT contain kerosene or other PETROLEUM distillate? (Hetman synthetic is not a good answer because synthetics are chemical clones of naturals). If the stuff is so bad, I think some politicians would have regulated it by now. Gotta go! It just occurred to me to try cooking spray on my valves! Never done that! Maybe I'll move over to Vermont, join a commune, eat nothing but organically grown bean sprouts and play the dulcimer. Oh my god, a tree DIED in order to make that dulcimer! What am I to do? KB ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Etudes
No no, Hans, not seem to be maniac. I really am. As I like to point
out here from time to time, there is a great deal of OPM (other peoples'
music) that for some reason, hornists don't ever think to enjoy, except
when some lone arranger changes a few notes and publishes this
literature with the word 'horn' on the cover. Such as for instance, the
Bach Cello Suites and the Kreutzer Violin Etudes. Or have these been
around for so long now that we just accept them as staples of horn
literature? I get the impression that many hornists need to be given
official permission to play OPM or they won't consider it. Like, if
your teacher doesn't say it's ok, then it is not ok - Everything Not
Required Is Forbidden.
Between the Wohlfahrt books and other instrumental etude books, vocal
collections with CD piano or orchestral accompaniment and mainstream
chamber works such as trio sonatas - string quartets even - we have a
lifetime of beautiful music waiting for us to learn from, to play with
other instrumentalists and to just plain enjoy. Your list of horn etude
composers is just the beginning - if I felt that I had to practice the
whole list before ever experimenting, then I would never get to the
other stuff. But, as impressive as are names like Nowak, de Grave,
Blume, et al., so are names like Vivaldi, Handel, Telemann, Quantz,
Stamitz, Tartini, Mozart, Wohlfahrt, Bach, ...
I know that you agree with all of the above, so under the circumstances
the question is not why I am maniac about hornists playing other
instruments books, but why aren't you? Please give our list members
permission to enjoy Wohlfahrt, and then give them permission to play
whatever they want to without permission.
Cheers in the key of C,
David G - who wound down last night by turning on Enya's CD Shepherd
Moons, lowering the lights and playing along.
hans wrote:
Hello David, you seem to be maniac with using other
instruments books.
But there are plenty of original horn books: Ranieri,
Belloli (!!!), Nowak, Brahms, de Grave, Righini, Neuling,
Vouillermoz, Ernst Paul, , Bozza, Barboteu, Ceccarossi,
Albin Frehse, Oscar Blume ...
=
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Goldberg
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 4:19 AM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Etudes
Mathew James wrote:
Hey list.
I am getting ready to order some new etudes.. Any
suggestions on what
to get? I have alot of the standards the
Maxime-Alphonse, Kopprasch
op.5 and
op.6a fair amount of the Galley. I also have the Oscar
Franz book and
a few others. I'm just looking for suggestions since I'm
not
completely familiar with what is out there, and what is
good.
Franz Wohlfahrt 60 Etudes, op.45 for violin. Very
Kopprasch-like, only more exciting. Transpose down to C or
as you wish.
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_inside.html?cart=338
558081020303074item=976992page=01
and choose 'Look inside 2' to see the 1st etude.
also see:
http://www.violinonline.com/etudes.htm
Also, Franz Wohlfahrt etudes op.54 and op.74 are just as
stunning.
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Re: [Hornlist] Kerosene
At 10:08 AM -0400 4/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gotta go! It just occurred to me to try cooking spray on my valves! Never done that! Earl Saxton told me he used Black Flag® bug spray on his valves at one point. Not a good idea. He died. Sorry, I don't remember if it was Black Flag® itself or one of their other brands, Roach Motel®, Fly Motel®, Yellow Jacket Motel, or Back Country®, or which specific product it was. Carlberg -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orq. Sin. de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Etudes
David, my principle is as few notes per dollar (EURO)
played as possible. These multi-giga-note-pieces will never
help improving a good tone. But they might help for staccato
technique. But isn´t slower playing soft but very
controlled playing more demanding than loud multi note ??
Technique is a prerequisite, necessary absolutely, but
without a beautiful sound it is worth nothing. Do the etudes
build up style or feeling for a certain style ? How, if
people even forget the name of a symphony or opera they
played not longer ago than two years ? It is not joking, but
reality. You tell´m to play writen top line f on the Bb side
with 1 for better intonation. Yes, they say do, but go for
the next f the same way as before. Helpless.
And they strictly avoid (!!!) going upwards step by step.
Have bnot played a single note since April 5th 10:30 P.M.
(my last Parsifal as Farewell to retirement) enjoy a
beautiful spring break. Will get to play tomorrow night with
my muppet show (guess why) hunting horn players (myself
also part of the muppets now !), but will begin a daily 30
min. to keep embouchure working.
Best regards from sunny Munich
Hans
==
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Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 3:41 PM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Etudes
No no, Hans, not seem to be maniac. I really am. As I
like to point out here from time to time, there is a great
deal of OPM (other peoples'
music) that for some reason, hornists don't ever think to
enjoy, except when some lone arranger changes a few notes
and publishes this literature with the word 'horn' on the
cover. Such as for instance, the Bach Cello Suites and the
Kreutzer Violin Etudes. Or have these been around for so
long now that we just accept them as staples of horn
literature? I get the impression that many hornists need to
be given official permission to play OPM or they won't
consider it. Like, if your teacher doesn't say it's ok,
then it is not ok - Everything Not Required Is Forbidden.
Between the Wohlfahrt books and other instrumental etude
books, vocal collections with CD piano or orchestral
accompaniment and mainstream chamber works such as trio
sonatas - string quartets even - we have a lifetime of
beautiful music waiting for us to learn from, to play with
other instrumentalists and to just plain enjoy. Your list
of horn etude composers is just the beginning - if I felt
that I had to practice the whole list before ever
experimenting, then I would never get to the other stuff.
But, as impressive as are names like Nowak, de Grave, Blume,
et al., so are names like Vivaldi, Handel, Telemann, Quantz,
Stamitz, Tartini, Mozart, Wohlfahrt, Bach, ...
I know that you agree with all of the above, so under the
circumstances the question is not why I am maniac about
hornists playing other instruments books, but why aren't
you? Please give our list members permission to enjoy
Wohlfahrt, and then give them permission to play whatever
they want to without permission.
Cheers in the key of C,
David G - who wound down last night by turning on Enya's CD
Shepherd Moons, lowering the lights and playing along.
hans wrote:
Hello David, you seem to be maniac with using other
instruments books.
But there are plenty of original horn books: Ranieri,
Belloli (!!!), Nowak, Brahms, de Grave, Righini, Neuling,
Vouillermoz, Ernst Paul, , Bozza, Barboteu, Ceccarossi,
Albin Frehse, Oscar Blume ...
=
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Goldberg
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 4:19 AM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Etudes
Mathew James wrote:
Hey list.
I am getting ready to order some new etudes.. Any
suggestions on what
to get? I have alot of the standards the
Maxime-Alphonse, Kopprasch
op.5 and
op.6a fair amount of the Galley. I also have the Oscar
Franz book and
a few others. I'm just looking for suggestions since I'm
not
completely familiar with what is out there, and what is
good.
Franz Wohlfahrt 60 Etudes, op.45 for violin. Very
Kopprasch-like, only more exciting. Transpose down to C
or
as you wish.
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_inside.html?cart=338
558081020303074item=976992page=01
and choose 'Look inside 2' to see the 1st etude.
also see:
http://www.violinonline.com/etudes.htm
Also, Franz Wohlfahrt etudes op.54 and op.74 are just as
stunning.
--
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{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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Re: [Hornlist] Etudes
I would suggest the rochut trombone etudes. They helped me get comfortable with reading bass clef and my middle-low range improved. They're fun etudes also. -Jay On 4/14/07, Mathew James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey list. I am getting ready to order some new etudes.. Any suggestions on what to get? I have alot of the standards the Maxime-Alphonse, Kopprasch op.5 and op.6a fair amount of the Galley. I also have the Oscar Franz book and a few others. I'm just looking for suggestions since I'm not completely familiar with what is out there, and what is good. -- Mathew James ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/horndude77%40gmail.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Etudes
Hans and others - I have uploaded four sample etudes from Wohlfahrt
which will convince you that these violin etudes are not all machine-gun
staccato scale exercises or multi-giga-note-pieces (very funny!).
They are real lyrical etudes that fit perfectly on horn (played in C at
least), and they are the equal of horn etudes meant to achieve the same
goals: slow, soft, controlled, etc. Of course there are etudes in these
books of the scale-whacking variety. That's just as true in Kopprasch
and others, and just as necessary a part of our repertoire. The Peters
edition of all 60 Wohlfahrt etudes is about half as expensive as the
two-volume Kopprasch 60-etudes books.
Please check these samples out - click on the URL below; the samples are
the last four entries (wohl ...).
http://orchard.wccnet.org/~goldberg/music/
hans wrote:
David, my principle is as few notes per dollar (EURO)
played as possible. These multi-giga-note-pieces will never
help improving a good tone. But they might help for staccato
technique. But isn´t slower playing soft but very
controlled playing more demanding than loud multi note ??
Technique is a prerequisite, necessary absolutely, but
without a beautiful sound it is worth nothing. Do the etudes
build up style or feeling for a certain style ...
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{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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[Hornlist] Good stuff, Valerie
Your writing, that is: __ message: 10 date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:06:39 -0700 from: Valerie WELLS [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] Too many sacrafices.. Gee, I don't know if becoming a good hornist is worth all that is expected of me:... __ Is this a cry for help, Valerie? The hornlist does need a referee to call timeout for piling on too roughly. Oh, this hygiene stuff... right up a nurse's alley, huh? But, you could have stayed at work if you wanted more of this, right? Brings back memories of the lead hornist in the local community band who has a plastic bottle of Coke sitting next to her chair, and takes a swig every 15 minutes. Yes, her valves (on her horn, that is) sound terrible, but she is a great horn player. Several months ago, someone posted on the list an old practice of seasoning a new horn by pouring milk through it. Ugh! Terrible image. Sorry to put that image (and smell) out there. Remember, horn dental hygiene includes flossing and use of the tongue cleaner (on you, not on your horn). Whether it's okay to drink the milk and play horn, I don't know. Probably, you shouldn't drink the milk after your pour it through your horn, would be my guess. Now go have a good day. Larry __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] The Instrument Encyclopedia Database
You play this how? http://www.si.umich.edu/chico/instrument/fullrecord.phtml?id=123 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] The Instrument Encyclopedia Database
Bell pointing straight up. In all other respects held and fingered as usual for a cornet or bell-front mello. Paul - Original Message - From: Leonard Peggy Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn list memphis horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: [Hornlist] The Instrument Encyclopedia Database You play this how? http://www.si.umich.edu/chico/instrument/fullrecord.phtml?id=123 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] The Instrument Encyclopedia Database
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[Hornlist] (no subject)
I have been playing tenor saxophone for a few years, and I have decided to make the move to horn (for a great many reasons, mostly because it is such a fantastic instrument and because I dislike jazz, so there is not much of a chance for me to become a professional saxophonist). My teachers and such say that I have quite a bit of musical talent. I am a freshman in high school and I was wondering if it is too late for me to make it into a horn performance program and eventually become a professional hornist. I have been playing for about 2 months and I consistently practice roughly 2-3 hours a day. I am improving pretty quickly. I would be eternally grateful for any input and/or advice that you experienced hornists have to offer! Thanks in advance! AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Etudes
Hello David,
This multi-giga-tera-super- ... words are created by these
stupid fuzzies from the advertising industry, when they try
to imitate some foreign language superlatives. They use
these non-words, even they cannot understand them
themselves. Our language is so degraded now that even public
figures use a foreign (mostly english term) do hard to
explain it with the right german word, just said behind.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Behalf Of David Goldberg
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:01 PM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Etudes
Hans and others - I have uploaded four sample etudes from
Wohlfahrt which will convince you that these violin etudes
are not all machine-gun staccato scale exercises or
multi-giga-note-pieces (very funny!).
They are real lyrical etudes that fit perfectly on horn
(played in C at least), and they are the equal of horn
etudes meant to achieve the same
goals: slow, soft, controlled, etc. Of course there are
etudes in these books of the scale-whacking variety. That's
just as true in Kopprasch and others, and just as necessary
a part of our repertoire. The Peters edition of all 60
Wohlfahrt etudes is about half as expensive as the
two-volume Kopprasch 60-etudes books.
Please check these samples out - click on the URL below; the
samples are the last four entries (wohl ...).
http://orchard.wccnet.org/~goldberg/music/
hans wrote:
David, my principle is as few notes per dollar (EURO)
played as
possible. These multi-giga-note-pieces will never help
improving a
good tone. But they might help for staccato technique. But
isn´t
slower playing soft but very controlled playing more
demanding than
loud multi note ??
Technique is a prerequisite, necessary absolutely, but
without a
beautiful sound it is worth nothing. Do the etudes build
up style or
feeling for a certain style ...
{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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