Re: [Hornlist] orchestral Sousa

2008-01-14 Thread DalleyHN
Of interest on Sousa score. The University of Michigan Music Library has a 
photographic copy of Sousa's original draft of "The Stars and Stripes" 
march. It is for band but with parts for violins (2) violas, celli and bass 
written in the bottom five staves of the score. It is in D major. The horn 
parts are Horns 1 and 2 in F and Horn 3 and 4 in D. Sousa's use of horns in 
D probably relates to his composing period when he wrote operas, at least 
six of them, I think. Horn parts in D were scored extensively. Regards. 


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Re: [Hornlist] Slur - or phrase marking?

2008-01-14 Thread Paul Mansur
A couple of words to be very careful with are "never" and "always."
Sooner or later you'll find exceptions.


Paul Mansur

On Jan 14, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Herbert Foster wrote:

That's what I always thought, but I've had a well known teacher say  
it's always a slur. The piece in question was Pavanne For a Dead  
Princess.


Herb Foster

- Original Message 
From: Paul Mansur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: The Horn List 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:31:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slur - or phrase marking?


In a word, you judge from the context.  There are all sorts of clues,
tempo, style markings, etc.

Paul Mansur

On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:26 AM, Graham Jarvis wrote:


Hi
I can't believe I've ben playing the horn for as long as I have
without having cleared this question up but better late than never.

How do I know whether a curved line over (or below) a series of
denotes is meant to denote a slur (notes connected without
tonguing) or a phrase-mark (notes connected musically but not
ruling out tongued articulation between notes)?

The issue arose when I was looking at the Concone studies which I
recently bought. But thinking back over rcent orchestra rehearsals
I can remember times when I've made decisions based in instinct
rather than theory.

Are there rules out there?

Regards,
Graham

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Re: [Hornlist] Slur - or phrase marking?

2008-01-14 Thread Susan Thompson
In my opinion, the best practice would be for editors to stop putting in 
"phrase markings".

Susan Thompson

-Original Message-
>From: Herbert Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Jan 14, 2008 12:26 PM
>To: The Horn List 
>Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slur - or phrase marking?
>
>That's what I always thought, but I've had a well known teacher say it's 
>always a slur. The piece in question was Pavanne For a Dead Princess.
>
>Herb Foster
>
>- Original Message 
>From: Paul Mansur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: The Horn List 
>Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:31:21 AM
>Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slur - or phrase marking?
>
>
>In a word, you judge from the context.  There are all sorts of clues,  
>tempo, style markings, etc.
>
>Paul Mansur
>
>On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:26 AM, Graham Jarvis wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> I can't believe I've ben playing the horn for as long as I have  
>> without having cleared this question up but better late than never.
>>
>> How do I know whether a curved line over (or below) a series of  
>> denotes is meant to denote a slur (notes connected without  
>> tonguing) or a phrase-mark (notes connected musically but not  
>> ruling out tongued articulation between notes)?
>>
>> The issue arose when I was looking at the Concone studies which I  
>> recently bought. But thinking back over rcent orchestra rehearsals  
>> I can remember times when I've made decisions based in instinct  
>> rather than theory.
>>
>> Are there rules out there?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Graham
>>
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Re: [Hornlist] Slur - or phrase marking?

2008-01-14 Thread Herbert Foster
That's what I always thought, but I've had a well known teacher say it's always 
a slur. The piece in question was Pavanne For a Dead Princess.

Herb Foster

- Original Message 
From: Paul Mansur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: The Horn List 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:31:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slur - or phrase marking?


In a word, you judge from the context.  There are all sorts of clues,  
tempo, style markings, etc.

Paul Mansur

On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:26 AM, Graham Jarvis wrote:

> Hi
> I can't believe I've ben playing the horn for as long as I have  
> without having cleared this question up but better late than never.
>
> How do I know whether a curved line over (or below) a series of  
> denotes is meant to denote a slur (notes connected without  
> tonguing) or a phrase-mark (notes connected musically but not  
> ruling out tongued articulation between notes)?
>
> The issue arose when I was looking at the Concone studies which I  
> recently bought. But thinking back over rcent orchestra rehearsals  
> I can remember times when I've made decisions based in instinct  
> rather than theory.
>
> Are there rules out there?
>
> Regards,
> Graham
>
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RE: [Hornlist] Humperdink "Evening Prayer" from "Hansel Und Gretal"

2008-01-14 Thread BVD Press


Dear Steve,

Bryan, I took you up on the suggestion to listen to the samples on
amazon.com - sounds very nice, indeed.  Do you know enough about the tubas
used that you'd care to provide a primer on different sizes of tuba, and
then which were used in this recording? I confess I know next to nothing
about the tuba, but there are some moments in the samples where, at least if
the volume on your PC is low as it was on mine, you could easily enough
mistake the sound for a French Horn choir.


Here are the players and what they played on:

Enrique Crespo - Tenor Tuba
Walter Hilgers - F Bass Tuba
Samuel Pilifian - CC ContraBass Tuba

Basically small, medium and large.

I am glad you liked the sounds!

Take care,

Bryan



-S-


 -Original Message-
 From: BVD Press [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 12:15 PM
 To: The Horn List
 Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Humperdink "Evening Prayer" from
 "Hansel Und Gretal"

 Dear Hans,

 >Bryan, I am very sorry about your short sighted view. At age
 nearly 66
 >and having worked as professional horn player (a lot more to
 play than
 >tuba !) in big full time profgessional orchestras (40 years
 in one of
 >the big ten !)

 If you feel it is a competition, the horn wins hands down
 when it comes to more notes compared to the tuba part.
 Honestly I could care less, but if it helps your ego congrats
 to you for pointing this out!  If you want to count notes,
 take a look at a violin part and they will win the contest overall!

 >and been
 >participant on many horn ore brass conferences I had many
 occasions to
 >listen to "arrangements".

 I have no doubt you have listened to many arrangements at
 conferences etc., but since you mentioned Tuba Octet my
 question was "have heard some recordings of Tuba Ensembles
 playing pieces form the classical era?"  If not, please do
 and then get back to me on your opinion of a Haydn String
 Quartet for Tubas.  If you need a CD, one of finest around
 can be found here:

 http://www.amazon.com/Tuba-Six-Musical-Romp/dp/B02SKB

 There are samples at the link, but I would be more than
 willing to pick up a copy of the CD and send it to you so you
 can listen the entirety of each piece.

 After reading everything below, I assume you have an opinion
 of the Hansel and Gretel recorded by the Vienna Horns found here:

 http://poperepair.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&p

roducts_id=70&zenid=47e96d53b622a1e532e88d14f4aad58b


 Has it been destroyed, is it in the "Simpson style", did it
 lose its' "octavations" or "thicken the sound" too much?

 From your site, I see many arrangements of Beethoven,
 Bruckner, Wagner, Rossini, etc. for Horn Octet?  Do these
 fall in what you describe as "Simpson style"?  Or are these
 the pieces "which can be arranged for a complete different
 ensemble without harming the character of the piece"?

 I agree some pieces should not be arranged for another
 instrumentation, but there are many, in the hands of a good
 arranger, that will work regardless of the instrumentation.
 Of course a positive performance of any depends upon who is
 playing the music.

 Thanks for the conversation.  It is always nice gets the
 opinion of others.

 Wishing you well,

 Bryan Doughty
 BVD Press and Cimarron Music Press
 79 Meetinghouse Lane
 Ledyard, CT 06339
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 860 536-2185
 http://www.bvdpress.com/
 http://www.cimarronmusic.com/



 >
 >Arranging & arranging are two different pair of shoes. There are
 >pieces, which can be arranged for a complete different
 ensemble without
 >harming the charcter of the piece. There are also other
 pieces, which
 >turn out as caricatures if arranged for another setting. Well, these
 >are suited for our communities of players or enthusiasts but not for
 >serious concerts for "innocent" listeners. If these
 listeners are far
 >away from any serious music education, it would not matter
 what kind of
 >pieces you would serve to them.
 >
 >Then there are pieces which are destroyed, if arranged
 differently. So
 >it will remain a mere walk on a precipice to decide if & how
 to arrange
 >a piece differently. I said before, if you do it the funny or comic
 >way, no problem, but just for a special understanding
 audience. But a
 >Haydn Symphony, a Schubert romance, certain prayers, may they be as
 >great as they are, better not or if, for a small & similar
 ensemble to
 >keep the character. 8 horns & 4 tubas for the prayer ? What
 will you do
 >else than thicken the sound by octavations ? Yes, you could
 implement a
 >soul singer perhaps to do the solo.
 >
 >It will turn out in the "Simpson style", perhaps, "big duck ass,
 >dressed in washed out mustard yellow T-shirt & pink lavender
 bermudas
 >and a socialist washed out red baseball cap with trebble
 clef as logo
 >(in gold), cattying a sack of muffins & two water bottles in
 a bright
 >orange plus ketchup colored carrying device hanging from the
 shoulder..
 >
 >If it is Wagner, R.Strauss (be careful,

[Hornlist] Finke price update

2008-01-14 Thread Loren Mayhew
Better news! The upcoming Finke price increase I announced last week
has been adjusted downward. It is now projected to be around $300, not the
$1,000 I reported last. In the USA, either Bob Osmund or I will be happy to
assist you in placing your order for a new Finke horn.

Sincerely,

Loren Mayhew, Owner
Computer Intelligence LLC, dba
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SV: [Hornlist] Fingering

2008-01-14 Thread Borje Lofblad
Jonathan,

Thank´s a lot for your detailed answers to my questions. They will certainly
help me in understanding my grand son´s development as a french horn player.

Borje


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Re: [Hornlist] Slur - or phrase marking?

2008-01-14 Thread Paul Mansur
In a word, you judge from the context.  There are all sorts of clues,  
tempo, style markings, etc.


Paul Mansur

On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:26 AM, Graham Jarvis wrote:


Hi
I can't believe I've ben playing the horn for as long as I have  
without having cleared this question up but better late than never.


How do I know whether a curved line over (or below) a series of  
denotes is meant to denote a slur (notes connected without  
tonguing) or a phrase-mark (notes connected musically but not  
ruling out tongued articulation between notes)?


The issue arose when I was looking at the Concone studies which I  
recently bought. But thinking back over rcent orchestra rehearsals  
I can remember times when I've made decisions based in instinct  
rather than theory.


Are there rules out there?

Regards,
Graham

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[Hornlist] RE: [horn] I Found My Horn

2008-01-14 Thread Jonell Lindholm
I received my copy on Saturday, so I would imagine that anyone who pre-ordered
a copy will receive it soon.

I have not had time to read it cover-to-cover, but I really have enjoyed the
bits that I did read. I read "Hold It Like A Man!"  first. Jasper was at KBHC
the same week that I was, so I was especially interested in what he had to say
about that. I was not disappointed!

>= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
>Dear Horn Listers,
>
>Please allow me this opportunity to inform you of the publication of a new
>book, I Found My Horn, by British journalist and amateur horn  player, Jasper
>Rees.  This is an autobiographical account of Jasper's  return to horn
playing
>after a 22 year hiatus.  The title comes from the  humorous Flanders and
Swann
>song that uses the rondo of Mozart No. 4, K.495  as its melody. The book is
>being released in the UK on January 24 by Wiedenfeld  and is scheduled for
>release in the US later this year by HarperCollins  with the title A Devil to
>Play, taken from the same source.   Apparently, HC found the original title a
bit
>too racy!  That aside, I can  personally say that Jasper is an excellent
>writer and a "jolly good chap" as I  was privileged to have him as a
participant at
>KBHC as he made his "quest for  the grail."
>
>There is an extract published in the Daily Telegraph, the  paper that Mr.
>Rees mainly writes for,
>_http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/12/20/bmrees120.xm
l_
>(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/12/20/bmrees120.xm
l)  which gives a flavor of  the book’s tone.  Rest
>assured that there is also a lot of serious consideration of the horn’s
history
>too. For example, he's attempted to gather in one place every known fact
>about Leutgeb. There is also a chapter which is called “Hold It Like A
Man!”
>after something Hermann Baumann said to him rather too forcefully one hot
>afternoon at KBHC.
>
>The BBC has named I Found  My Horn its "Book of the Week. Five edited
>extracts are being  read as an audio book on BBC Radio 4 from Monday 14 Jan
through
>Friday 18 Jan.  The official broadcast time for the program is 9.45 AM, local
>time, and then there’s a repeat for European insomniacs at 12.30  AM, which
is
>early-mid evening, depending on your time zone, in the US. It  is possible to
>listen online by going to _http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/_
>(http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/)  and  clicking on the Listen Live tab on the
right. However, there
>is also a Listen  Again option online which allows you to catch it for up to
a
>week afterwards. It  can be found here:
>_http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/book_week.shtml_
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/book_week.shtml) .  Thus the
>Monday episode is available  for seven days from the moment of broadcast, the
>Tuesday one for seven days, and  so on.
>
>Copies of the first release may currently be ordered at  Amazon.com
>_http://www.amazon.co.uk/I-Found-my-Horn/dp/0297852256/sr=8-4/qid=1156923011/
ref=sr_1_4/
>202-3095876-5926215?ie=UTF8&s=gateway_
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ref=sr_1_4/202-3095876-5926215?ie=UTF8&s
>=gateway)  .
>
>A copy is on its way to  me and I'll give a review here, ASAP.  Please join
>me in congratulating  Jasper in his monumental accomplishment in adding to
the
>sparse assortment of  horn related writings!
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>Sincerely,
>
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RE: [Hornlist] I Found My Horn

2008-01-14 Thread Bill Gross
Thank you for this lead.  I look forward to your review.  I might even leap
off and buy the thing before you get your review published. 

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Subject: [Hornlist] I Found My Horn

Dear Horn Listers, 
 
Please allow me this opportunity to inform you of the publication of a new  
book, I Found My Horn, by British journalist and amateur horn  player,
Jasper 
Rees.  This is an autobiographical account of Jasper's  return to horn
playing 
after a 22 year hiatus.  The title comes from the  humorous Flanders and
Swann 
song that uses the rondo of Mozart No. 4, K.495  as its melody. The book is 
being released in the UK on January 24 by Wiedenfeld  and is scheduled for 
release in the US later this year by HarperCollins  with the title A Devil
to 
Play, taken from the same source.   Apparently, HC found the original title
a bit 
too racy!  That aside, I can  personally say that Jasper is an excellent 
writer and a "jolly good chap" as I  was privileged to have him as a
participant at 
KBHC as he made his "quest for  the grail."
 
There is an extract published in the Daily Telegraph, the  paper that Mr. 
Rees mainly writes for,  
_http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/12/20/bmrees120.x
ml_ 
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/12/20/bmrees120.x
ml)  which gives a flavor of  the book's tone.  Rest  
assured that there is also a lot of serious consideration of the horn's
history  
too. For example, he's attempted to gather in one place every known fact  
about Leutgeb. There is also a chapter which is called "Hold It Like A Man!"

after something Hermann Baumann said to him rather too forcefully one hot  
afternoon at KBHC.
 
The BBC has named I Found  My Horn its "Book of the Week. Five edited 
extracts are being  read as an audio book on BBC Radio 4 from Monday 14 Jan
through 
Friday 18 Jan.  The official broadcast time for the program is 9.45 AM,
local  
time, and then there's a repeat for European insomniacs at 12.30  AM, which
is 
early-mid evening, depending on your time zone, in the US. It  is possible
to 
listen online by going to _http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/_ 
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/)  and  clicking on the Listen Live tab on the
right. However, there 
is also a Listen  Again option online which allows you to catch it for up to
a 
week afterwards. It  can be found here: 
_http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/book_week.shtml_
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/book_week.shtml) .  Thus the 
Monday episode is available  for seven days from the moment of broadcast,
the 
Tuesday one for seven days, and  so on. 
 
Copies of the first release may currently be ordered at  Amazon.com 
_http://www.amazon.co.uk/I-Found-my-Horn/dp/0297852256/sr=8-4/qid=1156923011
/ref=sr_1_4/
202-3095876-5926215?ie=UTF8&s=gateway_ 
(http://www.amazon.co.uk/I-Found-my-Horn/dp/0297852256/sr=8-4/qid=1156923011
/ref=sr_1_4/202-3095876-5926215?ie=UTF8&s
=gateway)  .  
 
A copy is on its way to  me and I'll give a review here, ASAP.  Please join 
me in congratulating  Jasper in his monumental accomplishment in adding to
the 
sparse assortment of  horn related writings!  
 
Sincerely,
 
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[Hornlist] I Found My Horn

2008-01-14 Thread KendallBetts
Dear Horn Listers, 
 
Please allow me this opportunity to inform you of the publication of a new  
book, I Found My Horn, by British journalist and amateur horn  player, Jasper 
Rees.  This is an autobiographical account of Jasper's  return to horn playing 
after a 22 year hiatus.  The title comes from the  humorous Flanders and Swann 
song that uses the rondo of Mozart No. 4, K.495  as its melody. The book is 
being released in the UK on January 24 by Wiedenfeld  and is scheduled for 
release in the US later this year by HarperCollins  with the title A Devil to 
Play, taken from the same source.   Apparently, HC found the original title a 
bit 
too racy!  That aside, I can  personally say that Jasper is an excellent 
writer and a "jolly good chap" as I  was privileged to have him as a 
participant at 
KBHC as he made his "quest for  the grail."
 
There is an extract published in the Daily Telegraph, the  paper that Mr. 
Rees mainly writes for,  
_http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/12/20/bmrees120.xml_ 
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/12/20/bmrees120.xml) 
 which gives a flavor of  the book’s tone.  Rest  
assured that there is also a lot of serious consideration of the horn’s history 
 
too. For example, he's attempted to gather in one place every known fact  
about Leutgeb. There is also a chapter which is called “Hold It Like A Man!”  
after something Hermann Baumann said to him rather too forcefully one hot  
afternoon at KBHC.
 
The BBC has named I Found  My Horn its "Book of the Week. Five edited 
extracts are being  read as an audio book on BBC Radio 4 from Monday 14 Jan 
through 
Friday 18 Jan.  The official broadcast time for the program is 9.45 AM, local  
time, and then there’s a repeat for European insomniacs at 12.30  AM, which is 
early-mid evening, depending on your time zone, in the US. It  is possible to 
listen online by going to _http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/_ 
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/)  and  clicking on the Listen Live tab on the 
right. However, there 
is also a Listen  Again option online which allows you to catch it for up to a 
week afterwards. It  can be found here: 
_http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/book_week.shtml_ 
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/book_week.shtml) .  Thus the 
Monday episode is available  for seven days from the moment of broadcast, the 
Tuesday one for seven days, and  so on. 
 
Copies of the first release may currently be ordered at  Amazon.com 
_http://www.amazon.co.uk/I-Found-my-Horn/dp/0297852256/sr=8-4/qid=1156923011/ref=sr_1_4/
202-3095876-5926215?ie=UTF8&s=gateway_ 
(http://www.amazon.co.uk/I-Found-my-Horn/dp/0297852256/sr=8-4/qid=1156923011/ref=sr_1_4/202-3095876-5926215?ie=UTF8&s
=gateway)  .  
 
A copy is on its way to  me and I'll give a review here, ASAP.  Please join 
me in congratulating  Jasper in his monumental accomplishment in adding to the 
sparse assortment of  horn related writings!  
 
Sincerely,
 
Kendall  Betts



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RE: [Hornlist] Finke Horns

2008-01-14 Thread Bill Gross
Then our work is done.  Now to find a more appealing target.   

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Not to mention that the war on the middle class is also going quite well...
   
  JEN




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Re: [Hornlist] Finke Horns

2008-01-14 Thread Jen Gesinski
Not to mention that the war on the middle class is also going quite well...
   
  JEN

Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hmm...heading toward possible recession, and, our dollar buys less everyday
in overseas markets. Well, at least we have our success in Iraq to feel
good about.

Fred


On 1/11/08, Loren Mayhew wrote:
>
> Listers,
> If you are contemplating purchasing a new Finke horn, now would be
> a
> good time to order it. I have just been informed that soon there will be
> another round of price increases in the order of $1,000 due to the falling
> US dollar. Orders placed now will be billed at current prices.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Loren Mayhew, Owner
> Computer Intelligence LLC, dba
> CI Music
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> www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke
> 001 (520) 289-0700
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[Hornlist] Slur - or phrase marking?

2008-01-14 Thread Graham Jarvis
Hi
I can't believe I've ben playing the horn for as long as I have without having 
cleared this question up but better late than never.

How do I know whether a curved line over (or below) a series of denotes is 
meant to denote a slur (notes connected without tonguing) or a phrase-mark 
(notes connected musically but not ruling out tongued articulation between 
notes)?

The issue arose when I was looking at the Concone studies which I recently 
bought. But thinking back over rcent orchestra rehearsals I can remember times 
when I've made decisions based in instinct rather than theory.

Are there rules out there?

Regards,
Graham

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