[Hornlist] Barry Tuckwell documentary

[joey horn guy]

There are several parts.  Here is the first:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSOzrP0FSJ8&feature=related









___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

[Hornlist] Re: Piccolo Furst Pless with valves

[DalleyHN]

What an increase in price. I bought mine in Germany in 1977 from Waffen 
Franconia (Hunting supplies) in Wurzburg for about $40.00. If you want to 
use mine for a while, say a year or three, let me know and I will sent it to 
you. Regards. 


___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

[Hornlist] DMH-MB300?

[David Goldberg]

Just stumbled on this gorgeous object:  the DMH-MB300 Bb Mini French Horn.

You can see it here:  http://www.canadianbrassstore.com/dmhmb300.html
and it's only $549.95  Anyone here have/tried one and can comment on 
it?  Is it just a round & conical trumpet?  It's reminiscent of a 
Fu:rst-Pless horn, but that one is right-handed and takes a trumpet mpc.


David Goldberg, wants one


___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

RE: [Hornlist] Re: wasted year

[Sandra Clark]

The issues and horrors that Jeremy Cucco listed are symptomatic of a
non-musical/technical mindset unfortunately prevalent these days.  People
want to quantify everything:  "If you do x, you'll get y result".  This
'mathmatical' way of thinking may be somewhat practical on clarinet or
flute, or percussion - but on brass, and especially on horn, the technique
is so complex, so difficult to learn, that attempting to boil it down to a
few easily dispensed sentences is not only lazy, it's foolish and
incompetent.  It also is why many bands here in Ohio simply have no horn
players.  They'll dispense a few mellophones to their weakest trumpet
players in marching season, but those players will go back to trumpet for
whatever part of the year remains for concert season.  

The average band director has only one goal:  to get a "1" at contest - be
that marching, concert, or both.  Well, ok - 2 goals:  the first goal, and
to retire as soon as possible.

Sandra Clark
Toledo OH



___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Hornlist] Ralph Pyle & Jim London Pictures

[easterw]

Nancy,

Good news - bad news.  Good news: I have lots of pictures of Jim when he came to
VT for my regional workshop.  Bad news: I'm at a music festival at the moment
and won't be home unitl the end of the month - too late to do you  any good for
the workshop.  If you plan on a follow up story for the Horn Call, I'll look up
those photos for you.  BTW: Jerry Ashby was a clinitian and there are plenty of
pictures of him as well.

Enjoy Denver.  Wish I could be there.

Best,

Wally Easter

Quoting Ms Nancy Joy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Dear List,
>
> I am presenting a tribute in Denver to our colleagues that have passed
> and I need some help.
> I have searched the Internet for pictures of Ralph Pyle and Jim London,
> but to no avail.
> Can anyone send me a jpg  of either of these men?
>
> Thank You So Much!!
>
> Nancy Joy
>
> --
> Ms. Nancy Joy
> Assistant Professor of Horn
> New Mexico State University
> Office Phone: 505-646-1390
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> website:http://www.nmsu.edu/~music
> ___
> post: horn@music.memphis.edu
> unsubscribe or set options at
> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/easterw%40vt.edu
>


___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

RE: [Hornlist] RE: wasted year

[John Baumgart]

Several suburban Chicago districts pay their teachers handsomely.  One high
school district almost went on strike last year because the average salary
was $82,000, as compared to a neighboring one where it was $84,000.

If one of these teachers retired at age 55 making $83,000, with 34 years of
service as an Illinois teacher, their annual starting pension is calculated
at 75% of their last four years pay, which, assuming a 3% annual raise
during those last four years, is $59,500.  In reality, teachers have been
able to pre-announce their retirement by a few years and their raises would
be 20% for the last couple years so that their pension could be inflated
further.  I won't take that into consideration for this demonstration, as it
may have been scaled back within the past couple years.

The $59,500 is the annual amount until age 61, where it would be increased
by 18%, then 3% in each following year.  After 30 years of pension payments,
this adds up to close to $2,800,000.  The lump-sum value of that pension
distributed upon retirement, assuming it were to be put into an account
earning 3% per year is $1,785,000.

John Baumgart

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Dana and Lori Twiss
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 1:06 PM
To: horn@music.memphis.edu
Subject: [Hornlist] RE: wasted year

John Baumgart wrote: "Aap.   My kids have had a few crap teachers making
between $80-$100K per year just marking time until they could retire at age
58 with a multi-million dollar pension."

Please, tell us where this school system is as I would like to apply. In our
state, if you were in the system by 1983, you will retire with a pension of
$18,500. If you joined the system any time after that, the pension is
$12,500. That is if you retire with 30 years at age 55. If you work until
age 62, then you make a little more, something like 24K and 18K
respectively. The average teacher salary in Maine is $37,900. Not going to
get rich there. To add insult to injury, the first 13 years of my teaching
experience were in Florida. Though I'm vested in the Florida system, a
substantial part of the Florida retirement includes social security. In
Maine, any retirement I collect, the retirement contributions in Maine, by
the way are self paid, meaning they came out of my salary, is reduced by any
social security I collect. Talk about  an archaic system. Bottom line is, I
see no golden parachutes in any of the states in which I worked-Maine, New
Hampshire, or Florida. At least not for public school teachers.

Are there bad ones out there? Yup! I made my career following bad teachers
and cleaning up their messes. A lot of work, and very satisfying, but led to
my burning out and leaving teaching at age 42. Had the compensation been
better, maybe I would have lasted longer.

Dana Twiss
Litchfield, Maine

___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/john.baumgart%40comcast.net

___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

RE: [Hornlist] RE: wasted year

[Jeremy Cucco]

That is abysmal.  Our teachers in this area start closer to $40K per year
and higher with different certifications, etc.  Many of the teachers in this
area are required or strongly encouraged to obtain higher degrees and many
surpass $65K within about 10 years or so.  I don't know of too many teachers
in this area (one of the highest cost-of-living areas in the country) that
make $100K per year without being an administrator though.  I did just see
an advertisement for Principal in this area paying $128K.



-Original Message-
From: Dana and Lori Twiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 2:06 PM
To: horn@music.memphis.edu
Subject: [Hornlist] RE: wasted year

John Baumgart wrote: "Aap.   My kids have had a few crap teachers making
between $80-$100K per year just marking time until they could retire at age
58 with a multi-million dollar pension."

Please, tell us where this school system is as I would like to apply. In our
state, if you were in the system by 1983, you will retire with a pension of
$18,500. If you joined the system any time after that, the pension is
$12,500. That is if you retire with 30 years at age 55. If you work until
age 62, then you make a little more, something like 24K and 18K
respectively. The average teacher salary in Maine is $37,900. Not going to
get rich there. To add insult to injury, the first 13 years of my teaching
experience were in Florida. Though I'm vested in the Florida system, a
substantial part of the Florida retirement includes social security. In
Maine, any retirement I collect, the retirement contributions in Maine, by
the way are self paid, meaning they came out of my salary, is reduced by any
social security I collect. Talk about  an archaic system. Bottom line is, I
see no golden parachutes in any of the states in which I worked-Maine, New
Hampshire, or Florida. At least not for public school teachers.

Are there bad ones out there? Yup! I made my career following bad teachers
and cleaning up their messes. A lot of work, and very satisfying, but led to
my burning out and leaving teaching at age 42. Had the compensation been
better, maybe I would have lasted longer.

Dana Twiss
Litchfield, Maine

___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com

___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

[Hornlist] RE: wasted year

[Dana and Lori Twiss]

John Baumgart wrote: "Aap.   My kids have had a few crap teachers making
between $80-$100K per year just marking time until they could retire at age
58 with a multi-million dollar pension."

Please, tell us where this school system is as I would like to apply. In our
state, if you were in the system by 1983, you will retire with a pension of
$18,500. If you joined the system any time after that, the pension is
$12,500. That is if you retire with 30 years at age 55. If you work until
age 62, then you make a little more, something like 24K and 18K
respectively. The average teacher salary in Maine is $37,900. Not going to
get rich there. To add insult to injury, the first 13 years of my teaching
experience were in Florida. Though I'm vested in the Florida system, a
substantial part of the Florida retirement includes social security. In
Maine, any retirement I collect, the retirement contributions in Maine, by
the way are self paid, meaning they came out of my salary, is reduced by any
social security I collect. Talk about  an archaic system. Bottom line is, I
see no golden parachutes in any of the states in which I worked-Maine, New
Hampshire, or Florida. At least not for public school teachers.

Are there bad ones out there? Yup! I made my career following bad teachers
and cleaning up their messes. A lot of work, and very satisfying, but led to
my burning out and leaving teaching at age 42. Had the compensation been
better, maybe I would have lasted longer.

Dana Twiss
Litchfield, Maine

___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

RE: [Hornlist] Re: wasted year

[Jeremy Cucco]

This is kind of a rampant problem in this area as well...not the clarinet
thing, but on the horn.  Here are a few scenarios from the Fredericksburg,
Virginia area (just outside of Washington DC).

Of all of the students I've ever had in this area, only 2 (out of over 50)
have actually known how to use a double horn while over 80% of them have
actually owned it.  Most of the band directors simply tell them "Here's a
double horn.  It will help you play better."  When asked about the trigger,
they simply tell the students (actual quote that I overheard from a band
director) "It's just another valve.  Sometimes you use it but most the times
you don't."  

I've had students come to me as seniors in High School who own and have
owned double horns for 6 years but don't even use the trigger ever.  

On another note, in marching band, many of the schools use Bb marching
horns.  Well, they hand the kids Bb trumpet or cornet music instead of F
horn music.  I've tried to explain to all of the band directors (with *zero*
success) that the Bb marching horn only refers to the fundamental, they
still play the F parts.  Instead, they ask the kids to learn a new pitch
center and use it for marching season.

Here's another great one - another direct quote that I overheard spoken to a
student:
"I don't want you taking private lessons - the teacher will fill your head
with stuff that I don't want you to know and will hurt your progress in my
band."

Here's another great example...a band director in this area who happens to
be a tuba player (if you can call what he does "playing tuba").  He went
around his horn section (of which I had 3 students in) and took all of their
mouthpieces out and THREW THEM IN THE TRASH  He then issued them all
gold-plated Dennis Wick mouthpieces and stated that since (some horn player
he knows) plays on this mouthpiece that they should all play it.  (He did
the same thing with their mutes the following year and replaced them all
with Farkas Omni Mutes - or as we used to lovingly refer to them - Mucus
Omni Farts...)

This stuff is clearly worse in some places than it is in others.  It's truly
a shame.

J.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 1:43 PM
To: horn@music.memphis.edu
Subject: [Hornlist] Re: wasted year

On Jul 16, 2008, at 12:51 PM, "Leonard & Peggy Brown"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
>
> Lets hear it for music education!  I found this sentence about horn
> playing on Yahoo answers.  This girl just wasted a year of band.  I
> guess maybe the band director had too many kids in the class to
> notice one of them was playing "oddly".
>
> "I played it for a year! but at the end of the year i found out that
> it was strung backwards, and i was like OH THATS WHY IT SOUNDED
> WIERDI"
>
> LLB (back to polishing)

One of my best friends, Lenore (Lennie) Gallagher, left public school  
teaching after a long, distinguished career because the dimwit junior  
high band director who fed her students taught kids to play clarinet  
with the right hand on top. The students were understandably upset to  
find that they'd have to re-learn the instrument totally, and many  
quit. I can't say I'd do differently in their place.

Mrs. Gallagher then went to work in a local music store, which  
improved the competency of the staff tremendously. Bill Hollin--maybe  
some others of you, too--knew her.

Howard Sanner
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com

___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

[Hornlist] Re: wasted year

[hornlist]

On Jul 16, 2008, at 12:51 PM, "Leonard & Peggy Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:


Lets hear it for music education!  I found this sentence about horn
playing on Yahoo answers.  This girl just wasted a year of band.  I
guess maybe the band director had too many kids in the class to
notice one of them was playing "oddly".

"I played it for a year! but at the end of the year i found out that
it was strung backwards, and i was like OH THATS WHY IT SOUNDED
WIERDI"

LLB (back to polishing)


One of my best friends, Lenore (Lennie) Gallagher, left public school  
teaching after a long, distinguished career because the dimwit junior  
high band director who fed her students taught kids to play clarinet  
with the right hand on top. The students were understandably upset to  
find that they'd have to re-learn the instrument totally, and many  
quit. I can't say I'd do differently in their place.


Mrs. Gallagher then went to work in a local music store, which  
improved the competency of the staff tremendously. Bill Hollin--maybe  
some others of you, too--knew her.


Howard Sanner
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

[Hornlist] James Decker recordings on the web

[hornlist]

I originally tried to send this when the list was down.


If you point your browser to

http://www.robertlinn.org/robertlinn_cds.htm

and scroll down to the Concerto for Oboe, Horn, Percussion and String
Orchestra, 1972, you will be able to download some recordings of James
Decker. He isn't credited on the web page, but research has shown that
the performers in this work are Rodney Garside, oboe; James Decker,
horn; Ken Watson, percussion; Pasadena Symphony; Dan Lewis, conductor.
Research has also shown that Decker does not play on Divertimento for
Oboe, 2 Horns and String Quintet, 1996, also available for download on
the same page.

Howard Sanner
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

[Hornlist] wasted year

[Brass Arts Unlimited]

I believe it was William Gross who wrote:  "One of these days we are going
to realize that if we want good public
schools we have to pay teachers for doing too much of the "heavy
hauling"
In our society.  It will costs and teachers don't have the cheering
section police and fire do, but until we make that leap we will get
what we pay for."

I would clarify my previous comment "dis"sing the band director as follows:
I don't expect band directors to know absolutely everything about
everything, but when something "sounds weird" and a director just allows it
to go without investigating then kids are being allowed to do wrong things
without any attempt at correction.  That's not right.

As to the substance of William's comment, I have to agree that we ask too
much of teachers and we don't pay them enough for what they do.  I
absolutely agree.  But I do not agree that "we get what we pay for".  I
think we get far more than we pay for, because the vast majority of teachers
go above and beyond.  And I also don't think that the pay teachers get is
any kind of excuse for poor teaching, either.  (BTW, I don't know that
William is making this argument - I'm just add my two cents' worth.)

Dave Weiner
___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Hornlist] Ralph Pyle & Jim London Pictures

[GEORGE HYDE]

Nancy, 

I looked through a few photos I have of the 1958 L.A. Horn Club, but could not 
find either Ralph or Jim. I thought perhaps that he had been a member at that 
time... - sorry.  - I guess you are mentioning also Richard Perissi and Gale 
Robinson - G.   
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ms Nancy Joy 
  To: horn@music.memphis.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 7:18 AM
  Subject: [Hornlist] Ralph Pyle & Jim London Pictures


  Dear List,

  I am presenting a tribute in Denver to our colleagues that have passed 
  and I need some help.
  I have searched the Internet for pictures of Ralph Pyle and Jim London, 
  but to no avail.
  Can anyone send me a jpg  of either of these men?

  Thank You So Much!!

  Nancy Joy

  --
  Ms. Nancy Joy 
  Assistant Professor of Horn
  New Mexico State University
  Office Phone: 505-646-1390 
  email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  website:http://www.nmsu.edu/~music
  ___
  post: horn@music.memphis.edu
  unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/gwhyde9%40msn.com
___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

[Hornlist] Ralph Pyle & Jim London Pictures

[Ms Nancy Joy]

Dear List,

I am presenting a tribute in Denver to our colleagues that have passed 
and I need some help.
I have searched the Internet for pictures of Ralph Pyle and Jim London, 
but to no avail.
Can anyone send me a jpg  of either of these men?

Thank You So Much!!

Nancy Joy

--
Ms. Nancy Joy 
Assistant Professor of Horn
New Mexico State University
Office Phone: 505-646-1390 
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
website:http://www.nmsu.edu/~music
___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Hornlist] Freischutz Hunting Chorus (Act 3) for BAND

[Walter Lewis]

If you find one, please let as well...

Walt Lewis

Bill Hollin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anyone know of - or have access to 
a BAND arrangement of the Freischutz Hunting Chorus (Act 3).  We have a pretty 
decent section in our community summer band, and want to do it for the final 
series concert August 6.
 
There is an orchestral version readily available, but I don't have the time to 
do any transcribing right now.  I would imagine if there is one for Band, it's 
been raised to Concert Eb.which would be fine for our purposes.  
 
Please let me know off-list if you can help us out.
 
 
THANKS
Bill Hollin
Missoula, MT



___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com


   
___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

RE: [Hornlist] NHR But no saxophones?

[Walter Lewis]

ooohrah!

from a Marine Dad...

Walt Lewis

John Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Remember.they are Army strong!  Go 
Big Red 1!

The Jack Attack!
(USMC-we never promised you a rose garden...)




-Original Message-

subject: [Hornlist] NHR But no saxophones?


Parachutist crashes into US army brass band
Last updated: 10:02 AM BST 18/07/2008
This parachutist made a memorable entrance to a military parade =96
knocking over musicians like skittles after landing on top of a brass
band.

Three members of the US army's 1st Infantry Division needed hospital
treatment after the accident yesterday.


It occurred during the opening ceremony of the division's review in
Fort Riley, Kansas.


The first of two civilian skydivers landed safely, but Scott Hallcock
missed his target by around 50 yards and careered into the band.


The back row of musicians bore the brunt of his feet-first landing,
which caused gasps of horror from the several-thousand strong
audience.


The band's commander said his musicians did not see the approaching
parachutist because they were staring ahead waiting for the ceremony
to begin.


"You can't hear anything when there's someone coming overhead," Chief
Warrant Officer Scott MacDonald added.


One band member was knocked unconscious and another reported neck and
head pain, but both have now been released from hospital. A third, who
reportedly broke his leg, was still being treated.


Two tubas were destroyed and a trumpet was badly damaged.


The parachutist, who said that he veered of course after his parachute
lines became tangled, declined medical treatment.

___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com


   
___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

[Hornlist] Baroque duets

[Dennis Herrick]

I (with a local colleague) am learning to play baroque trumpet. We try to
play duets whenever possible. It's more fun than struggling with the beast
on our own. Problem is finding good duet material. It just occurred to me
that we're pretty much dealing with the same written notes as horn. 

We've also got a fair amount of material that goes above the staff (up to
high C) and while that's quite playable on the trumpet, it's fairly taxing
for duet sessions when we're using D trumpets

Anyone have suggestions for duets for natural horn that we could play. The
only possible problem is that the trumpets don't play as low as horn -- G
below the staff is about it.


___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Hornlist] TMJ, Carpal Tunnel and Dupuytren's contracture

[John Roberts-James]

Good Luck, Dave. The operation is very straightforward.
And of course won't really affect your rapid LEFT hand
Paganini-style pizzicatos. Or not very much!

Don't forget, get your neck checked out sometime.
(Like thirty years ago!)

But let me say, there can often be genetic factors involved,
so look backwards, as it were. MOST highly recommended
– advise any children, and grandchildren to be carefully
assessed by an expert to see if they are following your pattern.

This could save them much trouble later on.
Every Daffodil is Yellow – patterns run on through.

Dave wrote:


John Roberts-James
www.musicsiolo.com
www.alternativetherapyclinic.co.uk



___
post: horn@music.memphis.edu
unsubscribe or set options at 
http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org