[Hornlist] Transpostion Assistance
I've been chasing Gustav, now Ike and finally hit a few moments respite. Managed to bring my horn along working on an upcoming performance. One of the works is in B Basso and my memory not as good in this matters as it should be, and logistics on this evolution being what they are, I am absent references. Cutting to the chase, can someone remind me how to do this transposition? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Quoting William Gross: I've been chasing Gustav, now Ike and finally hit a few moments respite. Managed to bring my horn along working on an upcoming performance. One of the works is in B Basso and my memory not as good in this matters as it should be, and logistics on this evolution being what they are, I am absent references. Cutting to the chase, can someone remind me how to do this transposition? One practical way of managing the down a fifth that Martin Bender responded is to read it mezzo-soprano clef and add a flat. Unless you prefer the interval or some other method, of course! Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Amati Brass Instruments
Anyone have any experiences they'd care to relate about Amati brass instruments? I got asked by a parent about this, and it looks like they make all sorts of things - tubas, trumpet, and even French Horns. Student, intermediate, or better - or junk? As always with things like this, first- or second-hand experience is preferred to I looked at their web site and ... because, well, I did that, too. :) Thanks in advance. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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You're looking at a Bb basso horn part (In German notation B=Bb; H=B natural). If you use the interval method (which generally works well since Bb basso parts typically just use harmonic intervals of a natural horn in Bb), transpose a fifth down. Richard in Seattle William Gross wrote: I've been chasing Gustav, now Ike and finally hit a few moments respite. Managed to bring my horn along working on an upcoming performance. One of the works is in B Basso and my memory not as good in this matters as it should be, and logistics on this evolution being what they are, I am absent references. Cutting to the chase, can someone remind me how to do this transposition? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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At 9:17 PM +0200 9/17/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings - This is one of the ways to transpose I've heard of. Don't thing clefs. Don't think intervals. Think in the key. You've got to know your horn very well to do this, but it's no more difficult than playing a part in F. Okay. Off to practice my bassoon. Carlberg -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orquesta Sinfónica de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Carlberg Jones wrote: Don't thing clefs. Don't think intervals. Think in the key. You've got to know your horn very well to do this, but it's no more difficult than playing a part in F. I think this is also the way I transpose most of the time. Horn parts are just movable-Do solfege. When you see a printed horn part with C D E F G A B C, think Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do, then the transposition tells you which key you're in. So for Horn in B-flat, it's Bb C D Eb F G A Bb in concert pitch (that's F G A Bb C D E F in F-horn-speak). All you have to figure out is which octave to play it in! I'll admit that most of the time I try to explain transposition to other people like this, it blows their minds. As far as Horn in H (B-natural), I've tried to convince myself that it's an easy transposition since when every note is a tritone apart from printed, you only have to memorize 6 pairs of notes. Alas, it doesn't work for this brain. Greg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Photos of Dennis Brain
I just stumbled on this using the Facesaerch http://www.facesaerch.com/ engine. This image search engine filters so that only portrait-type images come up in the results. Whenever I am testing out a new search tool, I need some terms to search for and, for some reason, Dennis Brain seems to be one that comes to mind. One of the results lead to the following: http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/person.asp?LinkID=mp51268 Peter Hirsch (FYI - none of the images of Peter Hirsch are me) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I transpose by interval. For the less common keys like Db or Ab I do a double transposition (horn in D in E) It works for me. I teach my pupils as many methods I can think of and leave it to them to decide which one they find easiest - different minds think different ways. Cheers lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Transposition WAS: RE: [Hornlist] Transpostion Assistance
Transposing is SO much a part of horn playing or Wagner tuba playing. Last weekend we performed Strauss' Alpine Symphony and I covered horn VI and B-flat tuben. Every time I play a tuben part I have to decode what method the composer chose to write the part. Sometimes they are in bass clef or in E-flat or something goofy (and even Wagner wrote in different methods in the same opera! Worse, Stravinsky writes W tuben in B-flat alto in Sacre, but that puts it one octave too high, so you have to adjust there too). So, I figured out that reading the Alpine tuben part as if it were B-flat horn (basso) worked great, using B-flat horn fingerings with some modifications and use of the 4th valve. And, in that piece generally you have to be ready to transpose in 2 or three different keys even on a single staff line. Strauss, for convenience, appears to change the notation keys (to horn in B-flat for example to get the low pedal) just to avoid writing ledger lines or to avoid excessive accidentals. By the way, the Alpine Symphony is really fun to play. However-- as you work your way up the mountain, around the middle of the work I found that I really needed to take more frequent breaths because of the altitude. ;-) Bob Dickow Lionel Hampton School of Music -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carlberg Jones Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:39 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Transpostion Assistance At 9:17 PM +0200 9/17/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings - This is one of the ways to transpose I've heard of. Don't thing clefs. Don't think intervals. Think in the key. You've got to know your horn very well to do this, but it's no more difficult than playing a part in F. Okay. Off to practice my bassoon. Carlberg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Le Sacre tuben parts
There is some confusion about this. This post caused me to go back and look at the score, and take another look. After doing so, it is clear to me that the parts are correctly in Bb alto. The key to determining this is looking at five and four bars before the end of the First Part. If the Wagner Tubas play in Bb Basso, they are then in unison with the Bass Tuba, which is clearly not intended, since the ascending quarter note line is then no longer in octaves. I used to think that these parts were in Bb basso, but I no longer believe that to be the case. B ** Robert N. Ward Principal Horn San Francisco Symphony [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sep 17, 2008, at 4:19 PM, Robert Dickow wrote: Worse, Stravinsky writes W tuben in B-flat alto in Sacre, but that puts it one octave too high, so you have to adjust there too). ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Le Sacre tuben parts
Bob, Interesting observation. I have to tell the story that the last time we did Sacre in Spokane, I read the B-flat alto tuben part UP, where it really is pretty high. I was instructed right then and there to do it down an octave. It DID sound a little goofy up high. I'll have a look at the score there too. I'm sure that a little Schenkerian Analysis can clear up this question. ;-) Bob Dickow Lionel Hampton School of Music -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert N. Ward Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:35 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Le Sacre tuben parts There is some confusion about this. This post caused me to go back and look at the score, and take another look. After doing so, it is clear to me that the parts are correctly in Bb alto. The key to determining this is looking at five and four bars before the end of the First Part. If the Wagner Tubas play in Bb Basso, they are then in unison with the Bass Tuba, which is clearly not intended, since the ascending quarter note line is then no longer in octaves. I used to think that these parts were in Bb basso, but I no longer believe that to be the case. B ** Robert N. Ward Principal Horn San Francisco Symphony [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sep 17, 2008, at 4:19 PM, Robert Dickow wrote: Worse, Stravinsky writes W tuben in B-flat alto in Sacre, but that puts it one octave too high, so you have to adjust there too). ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/dickow%40uidaho.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
