RE: [Hornlist] Re: Elkhart 8D
Hi Lawrence
That reminds me of when I started my apprenticeship Paxman back in the 1960,s.
Bob Paxman gave me an old bell with cents and creases all over it.
Having done my best to remove the damage and presented my work to him he
would then bang the bell on the edge of the bench and say do it again, and
again, and again.
It certainly made me aware of the quality of work needed
Cheers
John Ward {still repairing after all these years!!!}
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:17:18 +
> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Elkhart 8D
> From: yateslawre...@googlemail.com
> To: c.j.l.w...@newcastle.ac.uk; horn@music.memphis.edu
> CC:
>
> Kit Wolf wrote;
> "Take some dents out.
> Accidentally put a hole in it then learn about annealing. Patch it.
> Desolder and resolder some joints. "
>
>
> An old friend of mine was a violin repairer. He told me that when he
> started at college the first task was to make a violin. When it was
> finished he proudly took it to the "master" who congratulated him, then
> threw it the length of the room and said, "now go and mend it". Each time
> the instrument was restored, the master would damage it in some way and this
> was the instrument he used throughout his initial training.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lawrence
> Lawrenceyates.co.uk
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[Hornlist] Re: Elkhart 8D
Quoting Steven Mumford: =A0=A0=A0 I'll echo what Richard said.=A0 I troll eBay regularly looking fo= r horns that I can fix up and re-sell for a profit.=A0 But, the thing is, I= never buy any because for the most part, they go for too much in their dec= repit state to leave any room for profit. I hope the original poster will heed these words if nothing else. Unless you're getting something for garage sale prices, it's almost always--and I'm tempted to omit "almost"--cheaper to buy whatever you're interested in already repaired, restored, and in good working order than to buy something in need of even minor repairs. I know from personal experience that this is true of horns, Leicas, and cars. And that's not even getting into any of the major premises in the original post. Howard Sanner hornl...@terrier.ampexguy.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] experience - mouthpiece
Phil, this particular buyer blamed the customership. I do not blame my trust worth customers to whom I invested a lot of confidence. But I had to change my payment policy (for certain products as e.g. mouthpieces) due to an extreme rare "black sheep". ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] experience - mouthpiece
I completely understand asking for payment in advance. However, since you "never had such an experience over many years", please do not blame "the horn player community". The blame and responsibility should be directed only at the individual. Phil Jacobs From: Prof.Hans Pizka To: The Horn List Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:24:22 AM Subject: [Hornlist] experience - mouthpiece Dear list members, I would like to share an experience with you. Have just received a gold plated mouthpiece back from a customer. It took him about five weeks to decide to send this back, but not cleaned, full of grind of his saliva, the rim dented twice, scratches inside the cup & outside below the rim & on the shaft. I did not ask for prepayment, - as usual. My mistake, off course, but I never had such an experience over many years. This speaks for the seriosity of the horn player community. What to do with such damaged mouthpiece ? I can use it as a trial only. After this experience, blaming the customership, I have to ask for prepayment for future orders of mouthpieces, sorry, following the china ware shop policy: "Do not touch. Damage means bought." ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/plj59%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] experience - mouthpiece
Dear list members, I would like to share an experience with you. Have just received a gold plated mouthpiece back from a customer. It took him about five weeks to decide to send this back, but not cleaned, full of grind of his saliva, the rim dented twice, scratches inside the cup & outside below the rim & on the shaft. I did not ask for prepayment, - as usual. My mistake, off course, but I never had such an experience over many years. This speaks for the seriosity of the horn player community. What to do with such damaged mouthpiece ? I can use it as a trial only. After this experience, blaming the customership, I have to ask for prepayment for future orders of mouthpieces, sorry, following the china ware shop policy: "Do not touch. Damage means bought." ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Elkhart 8D
Kit Wolf wrote; "Take some dents out. Accidentally put a hole in it then learn about annealing. Patch it. Desolder and resolder some joints. " An old friend of mine was a violin repairer. He told me that when he started at college the first task was to make a violin. When it was finished he proudly took it to the "master" who congratulated him, then threw it the length of the room and said, "now go and mend it". Each time the instrument was restored, the master would damage it in some way and this was the instrument he used throughout his initial training. Cheers, Lawrence Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Elkhart 8D
I agree entirely with both of you.
My point is that if the OP buys a worn 8d, it may turn out to be a very
expensive mistake. If what he really wants to do is _learn_ horn repair it
doesn't matter if the horn never ends up playable. Take some dents out.
Accidentally put a hole in it then learn about annealing. Patch it.
Desolder and resolder some joints. For $100 it would still be a cheap
learning experience. I guess an old trumpet or other instrument might be
cheaper.
Kit
> I'll echo what Richard said. I troll eBay regularly looking for horns
> that I can fix up and re-sell for a profit. But, the thing is, I never
> buy any because for the most part, they go for too much in their decrepit
> state to leave any room for profit. That's with me doing the work myself,
> and I'm fast and good. Case in point, I had a silver plated 6D a few
> years ago, pretty leaky and not a great player but kinda cool looking
> because of the silver. Early '50s. I got 800.00 for it on eBay. A
> couple of years later I got another one, same thing. I completely rebuilt
> the valves - tight baby!, replaced the leadpipe and a couple of slide
> crooks with brand new silver plated ones to match. Took out all the
> dents. It played great! I got 825.00 for it on eBay. Now, maybe that
> was about right (this was a few years ago), but the first one certainly
> went for way too much!
>
> - Steve Mumford
>
> -
>
> Kit Wolf wrote:
>
>
> Look on Ebay and get a really beat up horn for $100 - or less. The more
> beat-up, the more you'll learn. And it won't matter so much if you make
>
> a serious mistake.
>
> --
> and then Richard wrote:
>
> In my experience, none of these assertions is valid. First off, smashed up
> old
> 8D's go for ridiculously high prices. For less than $100 you can get any
> number of single F horns except Yamaha's. Many can be rewarding learning
> projects. When you get done, you may be able to sell it for a bit more
> than you
> paid for it. Any double horn you pick up for less than $100 will be a
> nightmare
> to repair and probably won't be playable when you get done.
>
> Horns that are complete disasters take a lot of experience to untangle.
> You
> learn more by starting with horns that need relatively minor repairs and
> work
> you way up to progressively more complex situations. Note that only about
> 1/2 -
> 2/3 of the junkers I pick up can be restored to where I'm willing to list
> them. The rest await the torch where they are disassembled for parts or
> recycling. ("NO DISASSEMBLE! NO DISASSEMBLE!" - Johnny 5)
>
> I have a few horns listed on hornplayer.net, and my write-ups give some
> idea
> (simplified) of what I had to do to get them to market. Look for my two
> King and
> one Yamaha doubles. I also have a couple of very good playing single F
> horns
> there, that have been languishing for over a year.
>
> Regards,
> Richard Hirsh
>
>
>
>
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