[Hornlist] IHS 09
Hi folks; I was wondering if anyone on the list has plans to take the evening train from O'Hare to Macomb. Maybe we could meet up to get from the airport to the train station? Leigh ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re:Mouthpiece to lead-pipe fit
Hi Cameron, This has now been corrected. Walter made mouthpieces in batches using hand made cutters. Each batch was slightly different, despite his skills on the lathe. Cutters would wear, tolerance might be slightly off from batch to batch. We have designed and built a semi-automated tool holder/cutting device and now use a more precise lathe than Walter's. We also use commercial carbide steel cutters now. Every mouthpiece is identical. The only problems, and very slight, we've been having are with the plater varying the plate from batch to batch. Even with that, They are still within .001 tolerance. I'll have pictures/explanations on the site once I get a round tuit. Any body ever see those on E-bay? KB In a message dated 5/2/2009 1:00:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, horn-requ...@music.memphis.edu writes: On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:30:50 EDT, kendallbe...@aol.com writes: Yes, Tina, if you purchase a Lawson lead-pipe, you can get a Lawson mouthpiece that will fit perfectly and match the acoustic. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I have not always found this to be true. During the many years that I played on a Lawson Fourier, my various Lawson mouthpieces went into the receiver at different depths. But the combination of Lawson leadpipe and mouthpiece was certainly an excellent one! Sincerely, Cameron Kopf **Eat Great Lose Weight FASTER! Start the South Beach Diet Online - FREE Profile! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221822996x1201398599/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213623126%3B35100424% 3Bk) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re:Mouthpiece to lead-pipe fit
once I get a round tuit. Any body ever see those on E-bay? Not on E-bay but I got one at a trade show. Tina On May 2, 2009, at 1:42 PM, kendallbe...@aol.com wrote: Hi Cameron, This has now been corrected. Walter made mouthpieces in batches using hand made cutters. Each batch was slightly different, despite his skills on the lathe. Cutters would wear, tolerance might be slightly off from batch to batch. We have designed and built a semi-automated tool holder/ cutting device and now use a more precise lathe than Walter's. We also use commercial carbide steel cutters now. Every mouthpiece is identical. The only problems, and very slight, we've been having are with the plater varying the plate from batch to batch. Even with that, They are still within . 001 tolerance. I'll have pictures/explanations on the site once I get a round tuit. Any body ever see those on E-bay? KB In a message dated 5/2/2009 1:00:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, horn-requ...@music.memphis.edu writes: On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:30:50 EDT, kendallbe...@aol.com writes: Yes, Tina, if you purchase a Lawson lead-pipe, you can get a Lawson mouthpiece that will fit perfectly and match the acoustic. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I have not always found this to be true. During the many years that I played on a Lawson Fourier, my various Lawson mouthpieces went into the receiver at different depths. But the combination of Lawson leadpipe and mouthpiece was certainly an excellent one! Sincerely, Cameron Kopf **Eat Great Lose Weight FASTER! Start the South Beach Diet Online - FREE Profile! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221822996x1201398599/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213623126%3B35100424 % 3Bk) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tina.barkan%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] T-shirts for vintage Conn fans
Hi folks. I would like to make T-shirts for some folks I know (including my son) who own vintage Conn 8Ds. Since the shirts will be cheaper if I get more printed, I would like to see if anyone else would like to buy one. The design is attached (I hope attachments get through to the list). It comes from the bell engraving (probably obvious). I will have them printed in a brass-like color on a dark shirt (brown or black). The cost...depends on how many I print. At the outside, it will be $12 for the shirt (hopefully a few $ less), and whatever it costs me to mail it to you ($5?). If you would like your serial number on the back (for the true Conn 8D fan), that costs an extra $5. If you think you would like one, please send me an email. After a week or so I will see how many people are interested and then get a final price. I will email you and then give you paypal info for actually ordering one. You'll of course have to send me your size too. Thanks, Doug Reece ree...@embarqmail.com Orlando, FL PS. I contacted Conn and they said it was OK to do this! A thank-you out to them. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
AW: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba-Unsafe at Any Speed
If you are used to play the Wagnertuba OFTEN, not once a while - but this is quite impossible in orchestras outside Germany, Austria, Scandinavia GB, as these have THE RING in their repertory - speaking of opera orchestras -, you would know HOW to play the Wagnertuba in tune, using several kind of alternating fingerings, using the ear the lips to produce correct fine sounding pitches. That is your problem, not the tuba. Missing experience ... === -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu] Im Auftrag von ardee...@comcast.net Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. April 2009 21:59 An: The Horn List Betreff: [Hornlist] Wagner Tuba-Unsafe at Any Speed jw...@mvps@org wrote: I retreated to the relative safety of one of the Wagner Tuba parts. It was a challenge getting used to the unfamiliar instrument, but at least the transposition didn't change as often! not the case when you play Wagner Tuba in Bruckner's 8th and you have that very fast page turn, coinciding with a tuba-to-horn swap; and ending with a horn blast tutti. In my case, I slam down the tuba, grab my horn, and immediately bashed the poor guy next to me right in the horn wrap with the bell of my own horn. Later on (the conductor of that group was not pleased), another conductor who was in the audience came up to me and asked 'if I was learning to play cymbals'. be that as it may, I consider Wagner Tubas (although fun to play if done right) are almost impossible to keep in tune. Granted, I was using borrowed crap instruments, so if anyone else with a good tuba wants to set me straight, I am listening. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
AW: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda
Yes, off course, but not much other use for this kind of a ??horn??. Playing this horn is no fun. One has to use a complete different mouthpiece (flat cup, broader rim) to make it sound pleasantly. Yes, it can sound very nice then. But you will not be able to play Mozarts Figaro the next day, because the normal embouchure will be gone. Do not believe, you could play higher than normal with this kind of horns. You just be safer in the high region the sound will be much thinner than normal, - but that´s what is required for Neruda Pokorny. If one does not have the chops to play up to concert bb2 on the regular double (that´s the Bb written atop the first ledger line above the staff - piano notation !!), this tiny horn will not make it. I mean, not just squeaking out the note occasionally, but play it as a perfect tuned note in the desired dynamic etc. Repeated: it is not enough just producing these top notes occasionally - at home in the bathroom, but on the concert platform with (nearly) guarantee not to break them. And these kind of music is not written for the amateur. Last argument: is such kind of music worth the investment ? For two concerts ? Isn´t it much better, to leave these concertos to the trumpet players ? Why not ? They can play them very nicely, perhaps using a fluegelhorn. It is not a sacrilege nor a shame. It is also no shame to decline an offer to play such extreme high concertos or cantatas. People try these tiny beasts risk to ruin their embouchure, as they try to compensate the missing overtones by playing effort, which destroys the embouchure in the short run. We know a lot of victims. = -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu] Im Auftrag von Robson Adabo de Mello Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Mai 2009 03:36 An: The Horn List Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda I believe it could also be played with this tiny horn http://p30983.typo3server.info/fileadmin/images/bilddatenbank/diskanthoerner /mod_99.jpg Robson P.S. It's an Alexander model 99 (high bb) 2009/4/30 Robson Adabo de Mello robson.ad...@gmail.com I believe it could also be played with this tiny horn Robson P.S. It's an Alexander model 99 (high bb) 2009/4/28 John.N Ward john_n_w...@hotmail.com Lawrence My ex. wife and her new husband still do. I still repair and sell horns if they come my way. Cheers John. Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:05:32 +0100 Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda From: yateslawre...@googlemail.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu Thanks John. By the way - are you still running the Horn Exchange? I used to get lists from you every year but I don't remember having anything for a while. Cheers, Lawrence 2009/4/28 John.N Ward john_n_w...@hotmail.com Lawrence from my time at Paxmans during that period I'm sure that is what happened Cheers John Ward Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:49:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda From: yateslawre...@googlemail.com To: hans.pi...@t-online.de; horn@music.memphis.edu CC: I heard a story about the recording of the Zelenka - WARNING: I have absolutely no evidence to support or substantiate thIs story and I offer it as an amusing anecdote which may or may not be as true as any other amusing anecdote doing the rounds. I cannot even remember who told me this. Anyway, the story was that Mr. Tuckwell took the high horn on approval from Paxmans with a view to buying it, recorded the Zelenka, possibly the only piece in the world for which he might need such an instrument, then took it back. Maybe someone from Paxmans or anyone closer to the events could substantiate or repudiate this? Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk http://lawrenceyates.co.uk/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/john_n_ward%40hotmail.com _ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yateslawrence%40googlemail.co m -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk http://lawrenceyates.co.uk/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/john_n_ward%40hotmail.com
Re: [Hornlist] T-shirts for vintage Conn fans
Hi, Doug - Well, seeing that the horn list server strips attachments, will you please put the design on a web site and post the URL, or send me a picture? Thanks. Regards, Carlberg At 9:17 PM -0500 4/29/09, Doug Reece wrote: Hi folks. I would like to make T-shirts for some folks I know (including my son) who own vintage Conn 8Ds. Since the shirts will be cheaper if I get more printed, I would like to see if anyone else would like to buy one. The design is attached (I hope attachments get through to the list). It comes from the bell engraving (probably obvious). I will have them printed in a brass-like color on a dark shirt (brown or black). The cost...depends on how many I print. At the outside, it will be $12 for the shirt (hopefully a few $ less), and whatever it costs me to mail it to you ($5?). If you would like your serial number on the back (for the true Conn 8D fan), that costs an extra $5. If you think you would like one, please send me an email. After a week or so I will see how many people are interested and then get a final price. I will email you and then give you paypal info for actually ordering one. You'll of course have to send me your size too. -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orquesta Sinfónica de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO All original material copyright 2009 © Carlberg Jones ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: leadpipes
Don't forget the leadpipes that have a sleeve over the first few inches and a guard plate after that. I had one particularly acidic customer who had eaten an obvious hole right next to the guard plate so I put an artistic little patch there, but what I couldn't see was that the pipe had eaten from the inside and had rotted out all under the plate. It was leaking from 10 different directions, but all hidden. That one played kind of stuffy. I uttered one or two of the magic words before I finally figured out what was going on. And yes, horn leadpipes do suffer the same indignities as trombone pipes, except that horn players usually do actually clean the leadpipe out every 5 years or so, so that's an important difference from trombone players. (I'm just saying) - Steve David wrote: Unlike a trombone where the leadpipe is contained or hidden by the outer slide, on a horn what you see from the mouthpiece to the change valve is the leadpipe. It is easy to see any damage, dents, dings, and other things like red rot [dezincification]. any holes that happen will be pretty visible if you keep and eye on it. and yes the typical metal problems occurr just as much as any other instrument.paxmaha Kathy wrote: I have a question on very old horns and lead pipes. My husband owns several old trombones (1940 and older) that have had to have the lead pipe replaced. When the pipes were removed, at best they looked like swiss cheese, at worse they came out in pieces. Can the same thing happen to the inside of a horn lead pipe (brass is brass after all) and how would you tell if your old trusty horn needs a new lead pipe? A trombone slide you can look through, but even then you can't tell if that pipe will come out in one piece or not. Kathy Anaheim, CA P.S. Do not watch a slide guru work on a trombone slide if you are the least bit faint of heart. Scary. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
