Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease
Yeah, sheep sweat, not sheep fat! ;-) But let me point out that the copper salts in the tubing of your horn are an *extremely* effective antimicrobial. There is not much growing in there, I'd wager. Carlisle -professional biologist and very amateur horn player who uses Bag Balm (lanolin plus petroleum jelly plus hydroxyquinoline) on his slides On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:39 AM, David A. Jewell wrote: From: Martin Bender To: The Horn List Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 8:13:37 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease ...It's really rendered sheep fat (which has a biologic source) and supports the growth of stuff inside your horn where it is warm and damp-- conditions which bacteria really like. Sincerely, martin bender Not to pick a nit but lanolin is not really sheep fat. It is a naturally occurring chemical that coats the fleece. It comes from the outside of the animal, not the inside. But I agree with the advice about not using it - it can eventually decompose, become really smelly, and the worst of it Martin stated above. Paxmaha ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] re: Doubling instruments
Ellen, Here's probably more info than you need/want. Extracted from the program notes: "Juliet Quartet", composer Joseph Goodrich, originally written for violin, viola and four-hand piano, arranged for orchestra by James Casey Rule. The original piece was commissioned by Ambassador Ryan Crocker, US Ambassador to Syria, in response to a request of violinist Timothy Schwarz for a piece that would incorporate a Syrian melody and an American melody and that would be played on a tour of the Middle East in 1998. It incorporates the melodies "Lama bada yatasana" and "All the Pretty Little Horses". It was named for Juliet Wurr, Public Affairs Officer for the US Embassy in Damascus at the time. The orchestral arrangement opens with handbells. It's a quite lovely piece. The concert announcement was here: http://www.visitdelaware.com/event.htm?e=655&s=shopping Carlisle On Feb 4, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Ellen Woodard wrote: And what, pray tell, was the piece? Ellen Woodard (a horn player who does a lot more ringing - handbells, that is - these days) Carlisle Landel wrote: So there I was, subbing on 4th for the local community orchestra. (I got the plea for me to sub with two rehearsals to go, including dress.) One piece was a premiere of an orchestral arrangement of a piece that included handbells. It was dress rehearsal and it turned out that there weren't enough handbell players to cover the parts. The percussionists were otherwise occupied. The third and fourth horns were sitting out for this piece, so I volunteered to play the handbell in G. Yep. It's official. I am now a ringer! Carlisle ** Electronic Mail is not secure, may not be read every day, and should not be used for urgent or sensitive issues ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Doubling instruments
Jeremy, Man, I *so* wish I had thought of that! ;-) In my defense, I was too busy doing a Michael Jackson moonwalk across the back of the stage, wearing my groovy glove. (OK, so I exaggerate. And more horn is lacquered too.) Carlisle On Feb 4, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Jeremy Cucco wrote: Did you take the time to explain to them that they do not need to worry about wearing the white gloves and that the tarnish induced is an layer of gases that actually protects the finish of the bell? Then, did you show them your gloriously unlacquered horn as proof? Carlisle Landel wrote: So there I was, subbing on 4th for the local community orchestra. (I got the plea for me to sub with two rehearsals to go, including dress.) One piece was a premiere of an orchestral arrangement of a piece that included handbells. It was dress rehearsal and it turned out that there weren't enough handbell players to cover the parts. The percussionists were otherwise occupied. The third and fourth horns were sitting out for this piece, so I volunteered to play the handbell in G. Yep. It's official. I am now a ringer! Carlisle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Doubling instruments
So there I was, subbing on 4th for the local community orchestra. (I got the plea for me to sub with two rehearsals to go, including dress.) One piece was a premiere of an orchestral arrangement of a piece that included handbells. It was dress rehearsal and it turned out that there weren't enough handbell players to cover the parts. The percussionists were otherwise occupied. The third and fourth horns were sitting out for this piece, so I volunteered to play the handbell in G. Yep. It's official. I am now a ringer! Carlisle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] John Williams Inauguration Music
While we are on the subject, how in the world did they maintain intonation playing outside in the cold? Or was it faked? Carlisle On Jan 20, 2009, at 2:07 PM, William Gross wrote: Anyone else disappointed in the John Williams piece? I was hoping for something scored for violin, cello, piano, clarinet and 12 horns. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Christmas, religious music, other questions
On Dec 2, 2008, at 4:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I(4) Is anyone familiar with any good Christmas music for horn and piano, or unaccompanied horn? There is a Canadian Brass collection of Christmas carols for horn and piano. Fairly easy, but fun to play. Comes with a CD that has the just the piano part for play-along. Carlisle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Green goo stain solution found!
Bunch, I decided to apply a little knowledge of chemistry and found the solution. The green stuff is a metal oxide, so we need some sort of reducing agent. In the US, at least, there is a product called "Lime Away", which is used to remove water deposits and rust from sinks and plumbing fixtures--its active ingredient is dilute phosphoric acid. In theory, this should do the trick. In practice, it indeed does work. I squirted some of this onto one of the shirts, plus some of the concentrated laundry stain product Shout (though you could probably use anything similar or just some liquid detergent) to remove any residual grease, and everything was fine this morning. Note that it doesn't remove the stain immediately--you need to let it soak for a while. Note that your mileage may vary depending on what you are using as your slide grease. That is to say, the Lime Away will take care of the metal oxide, but you may also need a good grease remover. A better life through chemistry! Regards, Carlisle On Sep 28, 2008, at 5:28 PM, Carlisle Landel wrote: Hornfolk, I played a couple of concerts a while ago where the concert attire was the usual white shirt and black pants. I hadn't cleaned my horn for a while, so the slides were a bit, well, messy. You know, that little bit of black gunk on the slides, the combination of slide grease and a little bit of metal oxide. I managed to get that on onto shirts I was wearing. The question is: How do you get rid of the stain that stuff leaves? Thanks, Carlisle -whose horn is now clean ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Green goo stain removal
Hornfolk, I played a couple of concerts a while ago where the concert attire was the usual white shirt and black pants. I hadn't cleaned my horn for a while, so the slides were a bit, well, messy. You know, that little bit of black gunk on the slides, the combination of slide grease and a little bit of metal oxide. I managed to get that on onto shirts I was wearing. The question is: How do you get rid of the stain that stuff leaves? Thanks, Carlisle -whose horn is now clean ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Chemistry lessons
Hi Dawn,
Oh, yeah, you'd of course also be allergic to the tree itself.
I had a technician who developed latex allergies. It is now pretty
common for institutions (especially hospitals) to ban latex gloves.
At the moment, surprisingly, my employer (a large medical university)
still allows their use.
Best,
Carlisle
On Aug 3, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Dawn McCandless wrote:
Carlise,
The chemistry lesson was just fine. I'm one of the weird ones that
doesn't mind learning those kinds of whys' of things.
So, it's the sap of the rubber tree No wonder the actual trees
bother me too. We were given a rubber tree as a present one time
and my asthma was worse. So, we gave it to someone else to take
care of.
Dawn
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date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:12:24 -0400
from: Carlisle Landel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
subject: Re: [Hornlist] technicolor mpcs
Dawn,
Sulfur (sulphur in British English) can be found almost everywhere.
It is an essential component for life, and there is sulfur in almost
all biological products.
What matter most for the purposes of the questions you have is the
chemical form of the sulfur. This can be easily appreciated as the
difference between the sulfur in sulfuric acid and the sulfur that is
found relatively high concentration in the protein that makes up your
hair.
Sulfur is indeed found in (natural) rubber compounds--it is the
addition of sulfur to rubber that is essential to the "vulcanization"
process that makes rubber the useful stuff that it is.
Sulfates are generically the class of chemical compound which contain
SO4 (that is, one sulfur atom and 4 oxygen atoms) as an ion (sulfuric
acid, lead sulfate, sodium laurel sulfate {in your shampoo} etc.);
Sufites contain the SO3 ion--they are used as food preservatives and
allergies to sulfites are relatively common.
Sulfides contain sulfur as a negatively charged ion.
Latex allergies are allergies to the proteins that are found in
latex, which is made from the sap of the rubber tree..
Sulfur might be found in the linings of your instrument case
depending on what material is used. Sufides are pretty reactive, and
will cause corrosion of metal. The tarnish you see on metal can
include copper or nickel sufates.
That's probably more chemistry than you really care about.
Carlisle
On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Dawn McCandless wrote:
What all has sulpher in it? Do they use sulpher in rubber
compounds? I am allergic to sulphates in medicines. I also have a
latex allergy. Is it possible that the latex allergy is really the
sulphers, if any, inbedded in the latex?
Is there sulpher in the linings of instrument cases? I had noticed
quite a few years ago that lining the case of silver plated
instruments with 100% cotton flannel keeps them from tarnishing as
quickly as they do if they are just in the case with the factory
made linings. I used old flannel shirts that were too worn to wear
any more since it saved money from buying new flannel.
DMM
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Re: [Hornlist] technicolor mpcs
Dawn,
Sulfur (sulphur in British English) can be found almost everywhere.
It is an essential component for life, and there is sulfur in almost
all biological products.
What matter most for the purposes of the questions you have is the
chemical form of the sulfur. This can be easily appreciated as the
difference between the sulfur in sulfuric acid and the sulfur that is
found relatively high concentration in the protein that makes up your
hair.
Sulfur is indeed found in (natural) rubber compounds--it is the
addition of sulfur to rubber that is essential to the "vulcanization"
process that makes rubber the useful stuff that it is.
Sulfates are generically the class of chemical compound which contain
SO4 (that is, one sulfur atom and 4 oxygen atoms) as an ion (sulfuric
acid, lead sulfate, sodium laurel sulfate {in your shampoo} etc.);
Sufites contain the SO3 ion--they are used as food preservatives and
allergies to sulfites are relatively common.
Sulfides contain sulfur as a negatively charged ion.
Latex allergies are allergies to the proteins that are found in
latex, which is made from the sap of the rubber tree..
Sulfur might be found in the linings of your instrument case
depending on what material is used. Sufides are pretty reactive, and
will cause corrosion of metal. The tarnish you see on metal can
include copper or nickel sufates.
That's probably more chemistry than you really care about.
Carlisle
On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Dawn McCandless wrote:
What all has sulpher in it? Do they use sulpher in rubber
compounds? I am allergic to sulphates in medicines. I also have a
latex allergy. Is it possible that the latex allergy is really the
sulphers, if any, inbedded in the latex?
Is there sulpher in the linings of instrument cases? I had noticed
quite a few years ago that lining the case of silver plated
instruments with 100% cotton flannel keeps them from tarnishing as
quickly as they do if they are just in the case with the factory
made linings. I used old flannel shirts that were too worn to wear
any more since it saved money from buying new flannel.
DMM
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Alan Civil
I think the music was indeed dubbed in. Look at the failure to sync sound and music at the very end; more importantly note that at the start, the string track comes in *before* anyone starts playing. Still, you've got to love the image, illusory or not, of Jeff Bryant* showing up and putting his horn together as the music starts, *without* any background noise (!!) and then nailing the part! Carlisle *as identified by other list members--I have no expertise here. On Jun 2, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Wendell Rider wrote: On Jun 2, 2008, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: message: 7 date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 03:28:44 EDT from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Alan Civil Are you sure that was Alan Civil on the video? Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk Its not Civil. Its not the original recording session. This was done years later as part of a movie/album called Give My Regards to Broad Street that McCartney did on his own in 1984. Pretty "cool" playing! Knowing the movie business, one might be suspicious that the sound was dubbed in, but I am not saying it was or that it was from someone other than Jeff Bryant. Sincerely, Wendell Rider For information about my book, "Real World Horn Playing", the DVDs and Regular and Internet Horn Lessons go to my website: http:// www.wendellworld.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Falling Apart - mute fell
Fantastic! I'm still laughing! Thanks for sharing this story. Carlisle On May 15, 2008, at 2:44 PM, hans wrote: Once in a Vienna Phil Concert under Leonard Bernstein, Wolfgang Tomboeck´s mute fell off the music stand, but he tried to catch it by his foot, but he was too fast & strong, so he kicked it right through the strings passing Bernstein´s head, but the mute landed in the first row, where a listener caught it. So no noise, but a VERY surprised Bernstein. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] chicken or egg
I think Hans is traveling in China, so the problem may be due to the vagaries of whatever method he is using to access the list. Perhaps it even has something to do with the Chinese government's penchant for censoring net traffic. Carlisle On Mar 14, 2008, at 9:49 AM, William Gross wrote: Is anyone else missing Han's text? I've seen a couple of e-mails from him hit the list but not text. It could be my e-mail reader. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] White House Horn Player on TV
Kjellrn, No, that is a drama. From Hans' description, he was watching some sort of documentary. Carlisle On Feb 21, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Kjellrun Hestekin wrote: It wouldn't have been The West Wing, would it?? Kjellrun K. Hestekin School of Music Memorial University St. John's, NL Canada A1C 5S7 ph: (709) 737 - 8466 fax 709 737 2666 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] White House Horn Player on TV
Hans, It could have been a member of the the United States Marine Band, "The President's Own". Their primary "military" mission is to supply music for the President of the US. You can have a look at their website and have a look around--the members of the band and their photos are displayed there, and perhaps you will recognize the player in question. Regards, Carlisle On Feb 21, 2008, at 2:17 AM, hans wrote: Sorry, no. It was one program in a series about government palaces. The english title must be different, perhaps. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kecherson Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Strauss Till Eulenspiegel Horns 5-8 Would you by any chance know the name of the TV show? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:39:35 +0100 To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Strauss Till Eulenspiegel Horns 5-8 Hello Timothy, I get the feeling sometimes, most writers on this list care most about pieces if they include "gorgeous horn playing". I simply admire great music, no matter if horns are involved or not. Recently I was watching a TV program about White House with great horn playing. Anybody knows about the solo player ? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ketch90%40inb ox.com FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and family! Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] F horn fingerings
On Feb 8, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Mark Syslo wrote: Open or 1 on 4th-line D? Open, of course, as everyone else has pointed out. I was switched to horn from trumpet in middle school. I was essentially handed the horn and, I suppose, a fingering chart, and compliant kid that I was, I dutifully became a horn player. Anyway, I'm pretty sure my fingering chart must have showed the fingering as "1"; at least, that's how I played it for a number of years until I was in high school, when one of my section mates pointed out that it was better to play it open. It was obviously better, and I switched right away and with no trouble. The point is, it's unlikely that you've done any irreparable harm teaching them to finger it as "1". Carlisle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] The truth about instrument repair and maintenance
You had shoes?!?! On Feb 5, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Steve Haflich wrote: From: Wendell Rider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Back in my day, we made our corks from shoe leather. Back in my day, we made our own shoe leather. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horn bumpers & allergies
In a word, no. The allergen in latex is probably one or more of a set of small, soluble proteins that are found in the sap of the tree from which latex is made. Neoprene, on the other hand, is a synthetic rubber made from the polymerization of chloroprene, which basically is made from crude oil. It is reportedly possible to also become allergic to neoprene (actually, to contaminants in the rubber left over from the manufacturing process, though also perhaps to contaminating microorganisms growing on the neoprene). Latex appears to be a *much* more potent allergen than neoprene, at least according to my experience. I'm a scientist and have worked in labs and hospitals my entire career, and have seen many cases of latex allergy in friends and coworkers. I'm also a scuba diver/ whitewater boater/surfer (i.e., somebody who wears a neoprene wetsuit quite a bit), and have seen no cases of neoprene allergy among friends/acquaintances practicing these sports. Finally, latex gloves are quite commonly banned now in many hospitals and research institutions because of this risk of allergic reaction, while neoprene gloves are seen as an acceptable alternative. (Actually, most people typically prefer nitrile or vinyl gloves over neoprene due to cost and feel, although neoprene has superior chemical resistance in some instances). So, unless you are somebody who has already developed a neoprene allergy, you probably needn't worry about neoprene bumpers causing health problems. Regards, Carlisle On Feb 4, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Dawn McCandless wrote: Just curious if anybody else who is allergic to latex and other such things would have an answer for this question. I am also allergic to the actual rubber plants which I found out after someone gave us one for a present. After a bout of continued worsened asthma I realized the plant was making the asthma worse. So, it left the house. It was after that that I realized I was also allergic to latex gloves. So, my question is, since those neoprene bumpers are so close to the mouthpipe, what is the possibility of them causing allergic reactions? I pretty much need to use the asthma inhaler before playing to begin with. Still, has anybody noticed any problems with those bumpers regardless of their tiny size? All the discussion about cork this seems like good time to ask. The neoprene bumpers on my horn are falling apart and I was seriously thinking of going back to cork because of the annoyance of these present neoprene bumpers. These ones are super soft and flexible unlike the really hard ones that have been on some of the other horns. This is my main, and really only horn - unless one counts the old single beat up Getzen sitting in the corner never being used I want something more dependable for bumpers than the flimsy things that are in the horn right now. They are splitting from age so it's past time to replace them. The ones that came with the horn are so soft and flimsy that they occasionally fall out during playing. What a nuisance that has been. They came with the horn. Accordingly they were supposed to be the right size and they look like they were fit well. With my other horns of old, the corks never fell out unless they were old and cracking. Has anybody else had problems with neoprene corks falling out while playing? And, again, are the neoprene bumpers a health risk to people allergic to latex or any kind? DMM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: A fun recording session (humor, slightly HR)
By the way, are there any members of the Melbourne Symphony on this list? Or do any list members have friends in that ensemble? It would be interesting to hear the story from somebody who was there. Carlisle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Deleting unwanted quotes
Morris, In addition to this excellent advice, it is helpful if you edit the Subject line of your email so that it reflects your actual subject. Also, it isn't just Windows mail clients that allow you to edit emails; Mac clients and most web mail applications also allow editing. Carlisle On Jan 23, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Steve Freides wrote: -Original Message- From: morris powell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I wish I knew how to do this without including all that other mail. Ideas? Yes - use your Delete key before you send. It is a simple matter on a Windows machine to put the cursor at the beginning of the text you wish to remove, then hold down the shift key and use the down arrow or page- down keys to highlight the text you wish to remove. At that point, hit the Delete key and it will be gone. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] A fun recording session (humor, slightly HR)
A buddy of mine sent the following video link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNmjzJh_Yvg&NR=1 And here is how they did it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r-xXTX-QFk&feature=related I think I need to learn to play the Beer-a-phone! Carlisle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Insuring a horn during shipping
Actually, my point was that your policy might or might not cover your horn against damage and loss. Check first! Carlisle On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:43 PM, Fred wrote: While this is all correct and good info for those not familiar, the point of Valerie's email was that this insurance applies while shipping the horn, and the insurance includes damage - not just loss/theft. I am eagerly awaiting Valerie's response to Dave Weiner's question, as this is the crux of the current thread. Fred On 1/3/08, Carlisle Landel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just a point of clarification. Your mileage will vary by insurance company. Here in the US, some companies will insure your horn as part of your standard homeowner's or renter's policy, and others will require a separate "rider" on the policy for musical instruments, in which case you will need to have your horn appraised to establish its value. Also, there is usually a deductible associated with such policies, that is, there is some value (usually $250 or $500) that is not covered against loss. Finally, too many claims for loss against your homeowners policy will, of course, result in an increase in your rates. Carlisle On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valerie, I'm curious - do you mean insured against loss/theft, or against damage as well? Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited -Original Message- From: Valerie WELLS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: horn1 list Sent: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 4:20 pm Subject: [Hornlist] Insuring a horn during shipping I called my insurance company (USAA) and found out that my horns are insured (as personal valuable property) against damage or theft while being shipped anywhere worldwide as long as I ship w/ a company that supplies tracking information. This sure cuts back on the cost of shipping. ~~Valerie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/brassartsunlim%40aol.com __ __ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http:// webmail.aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Insuring a horn during shipping
Just a point of clarification. Your mileage will vary by insurance company. Here in the US, some companies will insure your horn as part of your standard homeowner's or renter's policy, and others will require a separate "rider" on the policy for musical instruments, in which case you will need to have your horn appraised to establish its value. Also, there is usually a deductible associated with such policies, that is, there is some value (usually $250 or $500) that is not covered against loss. Finally, too many claims for loss against your homeowners policy will, of course, result in an increase in your rates. Carlisle On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valerie, I'm curious - do you mean insured against loss/theft, or against damage as well? Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited -Original Message- From: Valerie WELLS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: horn1 list Sent: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 4:20 pm Subject: [Hornlist] Insuring a horn during shipping I called my insurance company (USAA) and found out that my horns are insured (as personal valuable property) against damage or theft while being shipped anywhere worldwide as long as I ship w/ a company that supplies tracking information. This sure cuts back on the cost of shipping. ~~Valerie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/brassartsunlim%40aol.com __ __ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http:// webmail.aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Christmas Horn Trio
Hi Luke, I'd love a copy! Thanks, Carlisle On Dec 24, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Luke Zyla wrote: I have a little trilogy of Christmas Tunes arranged for 3 horns that I dished up a few years ago. Anyone that would like a copy, just email me and I will send it to you. It is in Finale 2007 format. It was originally for two horns and bassoon (for my sons and I), so the third horn part is a little bassoony, but playable on horn. Merry Christmas to everyone! Luke Zyla ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: Hose-a-phone tuning (was: [Hornlist] RE: Horn Digest, Vol 60, Issue 17)
Does your hose-a-phone have a bell? The esteemed Dr. Professor Cabbage will be able to comprehensively explain the physics of what is going on. Carlisle On Dec 14, 2007, at 2:01 PM, King, Andrew D wrote: Why is my hose out of tune? I commute an hour and 15 minutes each way to work every day. Recently, I cut a piece of hose to be pitched in F. Now on my way to work I can warm-up and do a series of slurring and tonguing exercises on the hose horn. It has changed my life for the better. I have a question for anyone who understands the physics of this. For some reason, my hose is badly out of tune. The interval between the c's (from the bass clef C to middle C and to the treble clef C) is very badly out of tune. It is naturally closer to a minor ninth than an octave without lipping it in tune (which is substantially more difficult on the hose than my horn). Why would this be? I assumed that any pipe would naturally play octaves that are in tune with themselves. Andy ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Omm-Pahs & Practice
On Dec 13, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Dawn McCandless wrote: Skimming over the list I see more about band music. We all have to remember that the original band music was written for Eb Alto horns (peck horns). They were a marching instrument pure and simple. They wanted a more orchestrated sound so they brought in French horns but didn't write new music for the more capable instrument. There is some newer band music out there where the composers have realized the horns are quite capable of doing more than just being a glorified drum. It's just really hard to find this music. If bands are bringing back string bass players, then, why should we give up the fight for better French Horn music??? Dawn, I think that this is a pretty gross oversimplification of the state of band literature. I'm another of the list members who played horn in my youth, then set it aside for many years before picking it up again as an adult. Most of my playing in the last 15 or more years has been as a member of one community band or another, so I thought I'd weigh in with some thoughts and observations. Contrary to what seems to be the popular belief, there is a wealth of music written for band/wind band/symphonic band/wind ensemble with interesting and challenging horn parts, and not all of it is "newer" (as "G" rightly noted). Unfortunately, though, there is also a lot of band music where the composers and or arrangers do not seem to know what to do with a horn section, or perhaps know but simply do not write interesting horn parts. I have this suspicion that there a number of composers/arrangers who essentially write around the horn because many ensembles, especially those with lower skill, don't have access to skilled horn players. For example, middle-school level ensembles are not likely to have very skilled horn players, so this music has correspondingly simple and non- challenging horn parts. Having played with a number of bands, it seems to me that there are bands whose libraries have music with good horn parts, and those that don't. I fear that the latter seem to predominate. This leads to a self-reinforcing circle: The ensemble has difficulty attracting horn players, so the music director acquires music in which horns aren't required, which in turn results in an inability to attract good horn players. So it seems to me that if you encounter a band that is of this latter type, you can leave the organization and continue the cycle. But before resorting to this, you could also respectfully suggest that music with more interesting horn parts be acquired. Believe me, those works are out there, and they aren't hard to find. And not all of them are hard, either. The band literature is huge--beyond the marches there are transcriptions of orchestral works (these date from the days when the Sousa-style bands were the only way people were likely to hear these works live), arrangements of popular tunes, and best of all, the literature specifically written for band, which ranges from what I think of as the old war horses (e.g., the Holst suites) to works written in the last year. Needless to say, any body of work has its share of horrid stuff, and with a body of work as large as this, the amount of junk is correspondingly large. Sure, band music has its heritage of marches, and as a horn player you simply accept the role of "percussion with pitch", and do the job (and do it well, one hopes). It's just part of the deal, just as sitting through endless bars of rest is part and parcel of playing the orchestral repertoire. But we don't have to fight to get good horn parts, we only need to fight to get music with good horn parts included in the repertoire of our bands. Carlisle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Ligetti
Photocopy the following page and place the photocopy on the stand next to the first page to which you refer. No page turn is then needed. Carlisle On Dec 1, 2007, at 8:20 AM, Alon reuven wrote: Hi all , can anyone tell me how the %^&*$!! can I turn pages in the Ligetti trio ?the guy forgot that we use two hands ! Alon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe and Benge MP, band music
Dawn, I think that there is another answer: You simply aren't seeing the music that has the good horn parts. Trust me, there are composers and arrangers of modern band music who definitely know how to write good horn parts. Carlisle On Nov 24, 2007, at 9:12 PM, Dawn McCandless wrote: [snip] One other listing I saw quickly was about horn arrangements for band. There definitely needs to be more harmony and melody in modern band arrangements for horn. There is so much more to the horn than just a back up drum (omm-pah's) or all the horns having the same one line harmony. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] My travel in India & Himalay - have been asked for a report (a bit horn related)
Hans, Still waiting for part 2. As I recall, you were going to set the world altitude record for playing horn--am I correct? Did you succeed? Carlisle On Nov 18, 2007, at 1:14 AM, hans wrote: [snip] Continued tomorrow. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Soundwear
Hans, Welcome back! When will we hear about your trip? The short answer for the problem with the US dollar, as I understand it (and I am *not* and economist!) is that the US has increased spending and cut taxes, meaning that it has to borrow money (from overseas) to make up the difference. Barring any sort of phenomenal economic growth in the US, this means that the worth of the dollar will fall. The only question is whether the fall will be fast or slow. The failure in the US mortgage market and increasing demand on decreased oil supplies help push the fall to the fast side. Anyway, I'd bet that the Euro will be the stronger currency for at least the next decade. One wonders how soon it will be before oil is priced in Euro instead of USD. And you are right, a *big* part of that overspending is due to the Iraq debacle. Carlisle On Nov 16, 2007, at 12:33 AM, hans wrote: I will telephone to Robert, who is my friend & longtime former colleague tubaist at the State Opera in Munich, and let you know. Do you really think the EUR:USD relation will become better as long as the war machine is on ? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] "Watery" horn
Valerie, One can imagine a couple of explanations for the phenomenon. Remember that the water in your horn is, for most part, condensate. The ability of water to remain in vapor phase in air is in part dependent upon air pressure. His is the practical example: if you fly a lot, and sit where you can see the wing, it is common to see water vapor forming over the wing's upper surface as the plane is taking off or landing, especially in very humid conditions--this is due to the lower air pressure over the wing due to its airfoil shape. You can easily imagine that a dirty horn will have lots of rough spots inside that can influence pressure in "interesting" ways, so that water would have a tendency to condense more. The second thing is that condensation on a surface will depend in no small part on the surface characteristics, and specifically, the ability of that surface to nucleate the formation of liquid water. (I was going to offer here the example of using various anti-fog sprays for glasses lenses, but I suspect that these might work not by preventing the formation of droplets, but rather by changing surface tension characteristics so that condensed water spreads thinly--I'll defer to the opinion of the esteemed Professor Cabbage in his real- life persona as to whether or not this is a valid example.) If this is part of the explanation, then the removal of the goobers from the interior of the horn, so that it is now nice metal coated with a thin film of hydrophobic (water-repelling) oil, will reduce the amount of condensation. Them's my explanations, and I'm sticking to 'em! Have a great weekend, one and all! Carlisle -returning now to his science-guy day job and his late-Friday afternoon workload of administrivia…. On Nov 2, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Valerie WELLS wrote: I have a friend who purchased a used horn. She noticed that it was very "watery", that is, it needed draining more than the horn she'd previously played. She had it professionally cleaned & it changed. It no longer was a "watery" horn. For reasons I don't quite grasp, the clean horn seems to gather less water. Maybe some of you will have some insight as to why this is so? Does built-up grease & grime promote water condensation? Is metal corrosion more hydrophillic than clean metal? "Inquiring minds want to know." Valerie, happy Balanced Embouchure student ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Ear Problems
On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Milton Kicklighter wrote:
Hi All,
I just thought I would add a little "old fashioned" remedies to the
ear
thing.
When I was quite young I used to have ear infections all the time. My
mother would take the juice of a hot onion strong onion
warm it up
and put a couple of drops in my ear. I would have almost instant
relief.
I was wondering if anyone else out there had the same experience,
and for
some of you scientist types, I was wondering if you had any thought
as to
why this might have helped. Would it have been the enzymes in the
onion
juice or some such thing???
At the risk of taking this discussion even farther afield from the
horn world, I'll bite. I'm a professional research biologist.
Here are some hypotheses that could be tested:
1. Any warm liquid will provide relief.
2. Any warm oil will provide relief.
3. A warm liquid with the same physical properties of warm onion
juice (pH {acidity}, viscosity {"ability to flow}, mixture of oil +
water, osmolarity {salt concentration}, etc.) will provide relief.
4. There is some specific ingredient in onions (or garlic) that
provides relief.
Here's how you do the experiment. When you have an ear infection
(ideally in both ears so that you have a control), have a friend make
two preparations: one of, say warm saline (dissolve about 1/4 tsp
table salt in a half-cup of water, or for our metric friends, about 1
gm salt into 100 ml water), and another of warm onion juice. Without
them telling you which is which (this is important!), have them apply
a different solution to each ear. Which ear feels better? Then you
can ask them which solution went into each ear.
You can do the same with, say, garlic oil and some other control
solution, for example, some other type of oil.
The reason you shouldn't know which solution goes into each of your
ears is due to the placebo effect, which is that if you tell somebody
that a substance will have a specific effect, then for a very large
percentage of the population, that person will experience that effect.
If it turns out that it is all about onions or garlic, then you would
try dividing the solution into it its constituent components to
figure out the active ingredient.
It is all about doing the correct experiment!
Until somebody shows me the data from a proper, controlled
experiments, I view all claims for therapeutic value with great
skepticism, though of course I'm always willing to do the experiment.
Anyway, if anybody wants to continue this discussion, I suggest that
we do so off-list. (I'm happy to, and would be *really* intrigued
if some of you with chronic ear infections were to do some
experiments.)
OK, to bring this back to horn issues: as long as we are talking
about experimental design, I'm delighted to hear about the
experiments where the investigators actually *observed* the throats
of wind players in action. *Very* cool!
Carlisle
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: freaky double trumpet player
Guys, it's Herb Alpert's version of "Zorba". Carlisle On Jun 10, 2007, at 1:08 AM, G wrote: People, people, come on...he's miming to a recording. Gary --- Valerie WELLS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't have video capacity to see this. Is this person playing two instruments or a double trumpet? Is he playing a unison line or two parts? Do you know his name? Three times, now, I've seen a local Tacoma jazz artist perform a Bb cornet & Bb trumpet simultaneously in Rich Wetzell's Groovin' Higher jazz band. He plays a single tune on both instruments in unison IN TUNE, TOO. It's pretty amazing. Valerie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/beowulf_36%40yahoo.com Get Firefox!!http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/central.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] freaky double trumpet player
*Exactly* like Herb Alperts! On Jun 8, 2007, at 3:26 PM, harveycor wrote: ...as if we didn't have enough trouble with just one horn ...the question now is, how does this guy's chops work? http://youtube.com/watch?v=vJxl8y4ax8M&mode=related&search= ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Highest note
On May 30, 2007, at 10:59 AM, hans wrote: Wait until Nov.1st, when I will breach the altitude record for horn playing, wait & see it in Youtube then. No joke ! Once the secret is out and the video posted, we expect a full report on the particulars of your feat! Best, Carlisle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] On edge
Reminds me of this scene from "This Is Spinal Tap", 1984 mock documentary of "the world's loudest rock and roll band", where the interviewer is being shown the band's amplifiers: Nigel Tufnel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and... Marty DiBergi: Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten? Nigel Tufnel: Exactly. Marty DiBergi: Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder? Nigel Tufnel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where? Marty DiBergi: I don't know. Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do? Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven. Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder. Marty DiBergi: Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder? Nigel Tufnel: [pause] These go to eleven. On May 17, 2007, at 7:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a similar vein, I was taught there are six written dynamic levels, pp, p, mp, mf, f, and ff. Anything in between is art. Anything outside those boundaries is just hyperbole. Many musicians have enough trouble just making six distinct volume levels, let alone anything else. Although I once sat with a tuba player who could only be said to know one dynamic level, f (put in as many f's as you like). I thought he was going to rupture the instrument, or my ear drums. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Spit valve problem: Ideas?...???????????????
Hey Larry, *Everybody* knows how to fix a spit valve. Most of us know zero about metal thickness and "horn response". Go figure ;-) Carlisle -"Spit valve? Spit valves? We don't need no stinkin' spit valves!" On May 10, 2007, at 2:05 AM, Larry Jellison wrote: So far, eight detailed and thoughtful responses to a mundane and trivial problem (Hans, you are so right!). Wish we could get this kind of response on the more interesting and thought provocative issues. Some months back I posted to request comments on the horn response differences of thin verses thick (metal) bells, and no one chose to comment. Are spit valves really more interesting than a discussion on the playing characteristics of a horn as a function of bell metal thickness? Sorry for being sardonic. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas?
Bunch, Another option for cushion material is to go to the local hardware store and look for an O-ring made with material with a diameter that matches the size of the cushion that you need. Then all you need to do is cut out a section of the ring and glue it place. No cutting a flat sheet in to a small circle of the correct diameter with this approach. Plus, one O-ring should provide a lifetime supply of repair material. I like the silicone rubber cement idea, too, except that you want to remember that silicone cements release acetic acid as they cure, so you might be a little leery of doing a localized acid treatment on your horn. Maybe something like GOOP, or another similar toluene- based cement, would be a better choice. Then again, since there are actual repair kits available, that's the easy choice, barring the electrician's tape/saran wrap/chewing gum short-term fix. Finally, remember Duct Tape, which is of course the major force holding the universe together! ;-) (With apologies to non-US readers who perhaps don't know of this miracle substance, or know it by another name.) Carlisle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Oil in the slides gumming the rotors
Hi Valerie, Actually, if you think about it, if the oil is able to solubilize the slide grease, then oiling the horn should also remove excess grease from the rotors, no?Oh, wait, it depends on the the relative solubilities. OK, so maybe the difference between the two of us is in what we use for grease. (I happen to use Bag Balm.) Or maybe grease in the rotors isn't the actual source of your problem. Actually, in thinking about it, the big hint is that when you cleaned out your horn, you fixed the problem. Therefore, clean out your horn more often, before the gumminess can happen again. Best, Carlisle On Apr 12, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Valerie WELLS wrote: Thanks, Carlisle, for your comments. For the first 10 months I owned my horn, that is EXACTLY how I oiled it. It still got gummy between cleanings. May be it's something about the Holton? I dunno. Or maybe pulling valve slides out & shoving them back in over & over again actually pushes slide grease closer & closer to the valves? When I did oil it the other way, I sure needed a lot more grease as it disappeared somewhere in my horn. All I know is that my valves work so much better since I stopped oiling them through the slides. Here's a cleaning tip: I stitched strips of soft cotton cloth into little "sleeves" about 6 or 7 inches long and 1 1/2 inches wide. This little sleeve fits nicely over the eraser end of a pencil for cleaning out the inside of narrow tubing. I can dig out more nasty stuff using this little sleeve on a pencil because it can go deeper than a wadded cloth alone. I've been intending to make a little sleeve to cover the end of my snake brush as I'd rather have soft cotton coming in contact with the insides of my horn than a scratchy brush. But, that's a project for another day. Valerie, Balanced Embouchure Student ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40adelphia.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Oil in the slides gumming the rotors (was: Advice for a Noisy H179)
Valerie, The trick for oiling via the slides while not dissolving the grease into the rotors is to put the oil into the slide itself, then push the slide all the way in with the open or rotor end of the slide pointing up so the oil stays in the slide. Once the slide is all the way in, all the grease is covered. At that point you can turn the horn over so that the oil runs down onto the rotors. I like to do this at the end of a practice session. I leave the horn "rotors-down" on the stand until the next time I play it, when I pick it up, work the rotors for a little bit, then empty the excess oil out as I would the water. I do the same thing immediately after I've washed out the horn with water as you describe. Carlisle -amateur horn guy On Apr 11, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Valerie WELLS wrote: Valve care has been a confusing issue to me because I've gotten contradictory instruction from those who should know (the horn designer & the technician!). All I can do is share the personal experience I've had with my Holton 179. When I first bought my new Holton 179 just over a year ago, I dilligently followed the instructions to oil it regularly by putting oil in the valve slides. But, when I brought it to the technician to have a loose tuning slide tightened up, he advised me to NEVER put oil inside the valve slides of a Holton. He warned me that adding oil to the inside of the slides would drag slide grease into the valve cylinder & gum it up the valves of a Holton. He gave some technical rationale for his advice about the valve design of Holtons that I can't accurately repeat here. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] files
Alon, I'm assuming you are maybe talking about issues of the horn list email that you are archiving? Or is it something else. No worries, there are solutions. If you are using a Mac, all files are indexed for title, and files with text are indexed for content. You simply use the "Spotlight" feature, or do a "find file", and you are good to go. The spotlight feature also works within the mail program to search your mail files. I barely organize my computer files anymore--I just put them all in one place and search for the one I need. If you aren't using a Mac, well, I'm sure somebody has kluged up a solution someplace. ;-) Best, Carlisle On Apr 3, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Alon reuven wrote: Hi all, I would like to know if there is any program which would be able to find a specific subject in the issues I kept in a file . some of the information is valuable , but due to the largr number of volumes and issues , it is almost impossible to find a specific subject . thanks , Alon Reuven ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40adelphia.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Conn 8D
From http://www.conn-selmer.com/content/resources/serialno.php: "Note: From 1974 to present - The prefix number plus 50 will give you the date manufactured. For example: Serial# 24-58637 = 24 + 50 = 1974" From http://www.musictrader.com/conn.html: "Note: From 1987 on, the two-digit prefix number plus 50 will give you the year of manufacture on all Conn products." Looks like it was manufactured in 1992. Carlisle On Mar 28, 2007, at 8:42 PM, John M. Ward wrote: I would like to know the year of Conn 8D, serial #42-430042. Also where it was manufactured/assembled. John Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40adelphia.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Airplane Art
Hans, I actually thought of asking this way, but I didn't want to presume that you owned them. Actually, what I *really* wanted to ask was: "How many of these coins will you be awarded for your retirement?" :-) (just kidding!!) I googled the coin image, and you are correct, they are really fantastic! Is it possible that the Airbus also has an image of the coin on the side, too? It looks like it. Thanks! Carlisle On Mar 22, 2007, at 11:06 AM, hans wrote: Why dont you ask me: how many of these coins do you own ? I have a roll of 1/1 once, quarter onces converted into cuff links with nice gold framing & 1/10 ounce also as cuff links. There are also other beautiful gold coins in Austria: the florin & the ducat, coming as single 6gr coins up to 16-fold, with Franz Joseph II., beautifully elaborated, some of the finest coins ever. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Airplane Art
Marc, Cool story! If you google "Airbus A340-300 Wiener Philharmoniker" at images.google.com, you will see a nice collection of photos. The best, I think, is here: http://euro302.web.infoseek.co.jp/airplane/nrt/os-a340-300-kinka.jpg Really nice paint job! Professor Hans, do you actually own the Philharomoniker coin? Carlisle On Mar 22, 2007, at 10:24 AM, Marc Gelfo wrote: Hi Bill, Here's an article on the plane. I've seen the pictures before, too, what a cool paint job! http://www.huliq.com/2590/the-vienna-philharmonic-above-the-clouds Cheers, Marc Gelfo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40adelphia.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Earplugs
On Mar 14, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Margaret Dikel wrote: [snip] One suggestion: try working with just one earplug. You may find that works to allow you to block out most of the percussion while still hearing enough to be comfortable. I'll second this opinion. I was once seated for a season in front of and very close to a large and "enthusiastic" trumpet section in a community band setting. I found that a nice compromise was seating myself so that one ear was closer the trumpets (that ear had and ear plug) and the other ear was unprotected and facing away from them. Note that I was using one of those common, inexpensive, compressible- foam plugs that reduce sound by 30 dB, so putting two of them in seriously attenuated the ambient sound. Playing with them both in was do-able, but decidedly odd, so rather than re-train my ear, I went with the solution I described. I recall that many years ago, there was a discussion on the list of professional musician's earplugs that reduce sound put preserve sound quality. If anybody uses these and would care to comment, that would be nice. Later, Carlisle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] YouTube again
Hans et al., This issue is beginning to be addressed in the courts. Google/ YouTube is being sued by Viacom for copyright infringement to the tune of US$ 1 billion. You can find details, ironically enough, using Google. Carlisle On Mar 15, 2007, at 6:34 AM, hans wrote: Hello list members: this is a warning The copyright infringement coming from the "most lawful" country mostly (sorry, this is the reality) is unbearable anymore. [snip] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR???list still active???
But of course! Bwaah-ha-ha-ha :-D On Mar 5, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Fred Baucom wrote: Well, duh!! On the other hand, this provides an opportunity to talk about the sender 'behind his back', so to speak... - Original Message ---- From: Carlisle Landel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 12:46:36 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] ???list still active??? Folks, When you see a message like this, it is most likely going to be counterproductive to reply to the list. Note that the sender probably has *not* been receiving list traffic (thus the query), so a response to the list is unlikely to be seen by the sender. Instead, reply directly to the sender, off-list. Carlisle On Mar 5, 2007, at 2:57 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is the list still active or has my email server deleting list updates? William Botte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40adelphia.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40adelphia.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] ???list still active???
Folks, When you see a message like this, it is most likely going to be counterproductive to reply to the list. Note that the sender probably has *not* been receiving list traffic (thus the query), so a response to the list is unlikely to be seen by the sender. Instead, reply directly to the sender, off-list. Carlisle On Mar 5, 2007, at 2:57 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is the list still active or has my email server deleting list updates? William Botte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40adelphia.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Horn Questions
Dave, Start calling insurance agents and see what you can get. Your mileage will vary by company. I've had various homeowners insurance policies through the years, and some have covered my horn, while others required a separate addendum to the policy. You'll just have to shop around. You should also check and see if you can still be covered by your parents' homeowner or renter policy. It's a bit daunting when you realize that your instrument is one of the most valuable items that you own! Good luck, Carlisle -now returning to lurker mode On Feb 2, 2007, at 9:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, another quick question. I would very much like to get this instrument insured. College Campus' are notorious for theft. My mother's hand-made Lauben Oboe was stolen when she was a student and she had to quit playing. (so there is motivation in my family here) What options are there out there for instrument insurance? I don't think it would be covered under homeowners, as I live in a dormatory. Should I get a seperate plan just for the Horn? Will plans cover accidental damage (like someone knocking it off a chair) or just theft? What about if the building burns down and the horn is lost? Or damaged on an airline ? What so these policies cost? Thanks again, I am sure this is something many of you will know about, Dave Meichle Lawrence University ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stiff Lips
Ron, The first thing to ask (as was implied by Hans) is "What is the cause of the stiffness?" Stiffness after exercise is due to damage to the tissue. So you first have to ask yourself if you are damaging the tissue through bad technique, that is, excessive pressure which will cause direct damage in extreme cases or secondary damage due to disruption of the blood supply. If this isn't the problem, then it can also be due to micro damage from overuse. Treat your practice sessions like you any other physical workout routine, that is, don't overdo it, but *slowly* work up to the proper level of endurance. Vary the routine some, just like in the gym: analogous to doing weights one day and aerobics the next, you can work on range on one day and speed and accuracy the next. Once the damage is done, you can try rest and ice and anti- inflamatory drugs (ibuprofen, e.g.) for short term relief. But in the long run, it is *much* better to treat the cause, not the symptoms. Carlisle On Jan 10, 2007, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this ground has been covered before, but does anyone have suggestions for dealing with stiff lips? I do a cool down after every practice session with low etudes, but are there any exercises someone might suggest to loosen up at the beginning of a practice session when the lips are sometimes the stiffest. Any lip balm, herbal remedies, snake oil that might be helpful? Thanks, Ron ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Homeland security
On Jan 4, 2007, at 5:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The guy with the bomb in his shoe didn't hurt anyone, but the disruption caused by making every passenger remove his shoes is the result he really wanted. Just be thankful that he was the "shoe bomber", not the "underwear bomber"! ;-) Carlisle (returning to "lurker" mode with a Happy New Year wish for all) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
