Re: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque
Steve, A cursory glance at the score seems to indicate Horns in D , 3 parts, 3 to a part. Paul Truszkowski - Original Message - From: Steve Freides steve.frei...@gmail.com To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:45 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque Anyone care to enlighten and inform about these instruments? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjY6w1KQMo Thanks. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] re: Sandy Siegelstein and Junior Collins
Maybe the interested parties could ask him (Siegelstein) themselves. Whitepages.com lists a Sanford Siegelstein (age 65+) at the same address as his 802 directory listing from 1973. Paul Truszkowski - Original Message - From: Punto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:15 PM Subject: [Hornlist] re: Sandy Siegelstein and Junior Collins Martin, Over the years, I have done a lot of digging in the area of horn players who recorded with jazz groups and have a bit of of info on Collins and Siegelstein's activities. According to the Tom Lord Jazz Discography CD-ROM, Siegelstein worked with and appears on recordings (around 30 of them) of Claude Thornhill from June 1946 through April 1948 and also in February 1959. Other than that, the Birth of the Cool album is his only mention in the discography. Junior Collins is on a couple of Miles Davis sessions in September, 1948 (apparently in preparation for the Birth of the Cool, since Gil Evans was involved) and on the Charlie Parker album that used the Dave Lambert Singers as part of the backup band (In the cool of the night) on May 25, 1953. Just to confuse things a bit, the horn player Addison Collins appeared with Glenn Miller, Mel Powell, Tex Beneke, Benny Goodman and Claude Thornhill on countless dates from 1943 through 1949. I did some looking into him at one point, but I cannot recall if I was able to determine if he was one and the same as Junior, though the associations would seem to make this likely. If you want more details, feel free to contact me off-list. My best, Peter Hirsch - Original Message - From: Martin Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Sandy Siegelstein and Junior Collins Hello all, This request may be better answered by some of the older list members... I'm looking for some information on these horn players, who were featured (along with Gunther Schuller) on the Miles Davis Birth of the Cool sessions. Evidently, prior to his death, Gerry Mulligan (bari sax/arranger) had been telling people that Jimmy Buffington had been present as well, but his name is not listed anywhere in the credits. Anything that you might be able to dig up (e.g. where they played before, after, since, taught, etc.) would be appreciated. Sincerely, martin bender ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Sandy Siegelstein and Junior Collins
Martin et al: In 1968-69 I played with Sandy Siegelstein in the Yonkers Pops band. My old 802 directory lists a Yonkers (NY) address. Beyond that, I can't help you. Paul Truszkowski - Original Message - From: Martin Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Sandy Siegelstein and Junior Collins Hello all, This request may be better answered by some of the older list members... I'm looking for some information on these horn players, who were featured (along with Gunther Schuller) on the Miles Davis Birth of the Cool sessions. Evidently, prior to his death, Gerry Mulligan (bari sax/arranger) had been telling people that Jimmy Buffington had been present as well, but his name is not listed anywhere in the credits. Anything that you might be able to dig up (e.g. where they played before, after, since, taught, etc.) would be appreciated. Sincerely, martin bender ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Opinion on Bach horns
I could be totally misinformed on this but I thought Bach horns were re-labeled Yammy student-level instruments. Paul -- Original message -- From: Linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Steve. I was kind of thinking the same thing: That's a lot of money (list and purchase price) for a horn from a manufacturer not known for its (french) horns. I thought he could get a better horn brand for that money. Of course, he loves his Bach trumpets :-) Linda (`'.¸(`'.¸ ~ ¸.'´)¸.'´) «´.¸¸LACORNISTA¸¸.`» (¸.'´(¸.'´ ~ `'.¸)`'.¸) Sent from my supersweet BlackBerry! -Original Message- From: Steve Freides Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:32:21 To:'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Opinion on Bach horns -Original Message- From: Linda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:34 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Opinion on Bach horns A friend of mine who is an amateur trumpet player wants to take up horn. He asked my opinion on Bach horns, but I know nothing about them. He found a double horn for $1,980 with a list price of $3,765. It sounds like a good deal to him financially. I don't believe he has tried playing the horn. Any thoughts on this brand for horn? If you'll forgive an indirect answer to your question: One can sometimes find a used Yamaha 667 or 668 for that amount of money. There is currently at least one such horn on www.hornplayer.net right now. I have owned and played both - they're quite different, but both horns are good for the money and Yamaha has, in my opinion, a well-deserved range for consistency in their production quality. I'm currently playing a Yamaha 666, the model that came before the 668, and am very happy with it. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lacornista%40mindspring.com ---BeginMessage--- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net---End Message--- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Is new okay?
Can the old tire be used to make valve bumpers? - Original Message - From: Luke Zyla [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:27 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Is new okay? I have a set of Kumho V-710 (205-55-14) that I have used for one season of autocross. With the exception of only one tire, they still have several runs left in them. One of the tires is toast: a section of tread about four inches in diameter peeled off to reveal the cord. I have been trying to find just one used tire so I can get a few more runs out of these tires with little success. Is it okay to purchase just one new tire to complete this set? Would this cause handling problems? Luke Zyla 99 red Ranger 42cs ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Lacquer
This explains why Mr.Amado's invention is so important! 8 ) Paul - Original Message - From: Jeremy Cucco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Lacquer Just one quick point on terminology - The verb meaning 'to reduce the mechanical or acoustical vibrations' is Damp or in the other context Damping. Dampen or Dampening means something altogether different. Regards and Merry Christmas (or Happy Holidays) Jeremy ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] What the heck?
He just did! Paul - Original Message - From: Ms Lisa Honeycutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] What the heck? Begin a new topic. Lisa ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] NJ Horn Day
http://www.crosswindstrio.com/Horn_Society-New_Jersey.htm I just heard about this last night. Sounds like fun! Paul ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: The preferred tone/sound these days?
Corno911 asked: Would you enjoy looking at an artists paintings who only used one color of paint? It dependsAnsel Adams comes to mind. Paul T. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] RE: The preferred tone/sound these days? This entire discussion is getting pretty boring. The goal of any artist musician is to convey emotional images in sound. To convey a message to the listener. To effectively accomplish this one has to know much about the musical intentions of the composer and then do their best to bring these intentions to life in an effective way. This requires that the performer use all aspects of the sound--dynamics, weight, intensity and color in a flexible and imaginative way. In other words, the performer needs to be flexible enough to be able to change their sound to create an effective rendering of what is being performed. And so must the instrument be sonically flexible enough to aid the performer in accomplishing this. Would you enjoy looking at an artists paintings who only used one color of paint? Artist performers choose instruments that help enable them to be flexible and fulfill these goals, not just because the instrument has a certain built in sound. The concept that artists choose a horn because it has a certain sound, and that the brand is more important than the creativity and imagination of the performer, is patently sophomoric and totally misses the point of musical interpretation and performance. Paul Navarro Custom Horn Lyric Opera of Chicago (ret.) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: The preferred tone/sound these days?
Corno911 wrote: The goal of any artist musician is to convey emotional images in sound. To convey a message to the listener. I ask Who is the listener? I once had a discussion with a Hornist/psychologist (and former member of this list) in which we came to the conclusion that unlike an actor who MUST have an audience in order to practice his/her art, a musician is still making music when playing with no one else listening. A musician and an entertainer (who is playing an instrument) are really doing two different things while doing exactly the same thing! Paul T. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] RE: The preferred tone/sound these days? This entire discussion is getting pretty boring. The goal of any artist musician is to convey emotional images in sound. To convey a message to the listener. To effectively accomplish this one has to know much about the musical intentions of the composer and then do their best to bring these intentions to life in an effective way. This requires that the performer use all aspects of the sound--dynamics, weight, intensity and color in a flexible and imaginative way. In other words, the performer needs to be flexible enough to be able to change their sound to create an effective rendering of what is being performed. And so must the instrument be sonically flexible enough to aid the performer in accomplishing this. Would you enjoy looking at an artists paintings who only used one color of paint? Artist performers choose instruments that help enable them to be flexible and fulfill these goals, not just because the instrument has a certain built in sound. The concept that artists choose a horn because it has a certain sound, and that the brand is more important than the creativity and imagination of the performer, is patently sophomoric and totally misses the point of musical interpretation and performance. Paul Navarro Custom Horn Lyric Opera of Chicago (ret.) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: The preferred tone/sound these days?
The paper is white, The pigment is black. Grey is the more or less intense application of the black pigment on white. In music the paper is white, The notes are black. The musical effict [EMAIL PROTECTED]%$ .why don't we just drop the subject and make music! Paul T. PS: I have to go now and get dressed for a concert of Disney film music for a bunch of kids. How should I prepare myself for this significant artistic event? - Original Message - From: Bill Gross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] RE: The preferred tone/sound these days? BUZ! Wrong answer, but thank you for playing. Ansel Adams excelled in the realm of shades of grey. He was not monochromatic but used the varying tones in both black and white. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LOTP Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:58 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] RE: The preferred tone/sound these days? Corno911 asked: Would you enjoy looking at an artists paintings who only used one color of paint? It dependsAnsel Adams comes to mind. Paul T. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] RE: The preferred tone/sound these days? This entire discussion is getting pretty boring. The goal of any artist musician is to convey emotional images in sound. To convey a message to the listener. To effectively accomplish this one has to know much about the musical intentions of the composer and then do their best to bring these intentions to life in an effective way. This requires that the performer use all aspects of the sound--dynamics, weight, intensity and color in a flexible and imaginative way. In other words, the performer needs to be flexible enough to be able to change their sound to create an effective rendering of what is being performed. And so must the instrument be sonically flexible enough to aid the performer in accomplishing this. Would you enjoy looking at an artists paintings who only used one color of paint? Artist performers choose instruments that help enable them to be flexible and fulfill these goals, not just because the instrument has a certain built in sound. The concept that artists choose a horn because it has a certain sound, and that the brand is more important than the creativity and imagination of the performer, is patently sophomoric and totally misses the point of musical interpretation and performance. Paul Navarro Custom Horn Lyric Opera of Chicago (ret.) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] The Instrument Encyclopedia Database
Bell pointing straight up. In all other respects held and fingered as usual for a cornet or bell-front mello. Paul - Original Message - From: Leonard Peggy Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn list memphis horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: [Hornlist] The Instrument Encyclopedia Database You play this how? http://www.si.umich.edu/chico/instrument/fullrecord.phtml?id=123 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Cabbage Roadshow NJ
Cornisti, I was wondering if any other members of the Horn List will be attending Cabbage's presentation this Thursday evening. It might be interesting to attach some faces to the names we've been reading for the past several years. Paul Truszkowski American Weldery Band West Morris Concert Band Whitehouse Wind Symphony ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Concise History of the Horn - Pete Nowlen
Hi Fred Would you please send me the file. Thanks, Paul Truszkowski - Original Message - From: Fred Baucom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Cc: Pete Nowlen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Concise History of the Horn - Pete Nowlen Pete Nowlen, the excellent horn instructor at California State Univ - Sacramento and University of California - Davis, has written an equally excellent concise history of the horn. Though concise, it does run to over 30 pages and is in .pdf format, so I'd be happy to provide as an email attachment individually to anyone wanting to read it (I've obtained Pete's permission). Fred ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Announcement of Broadcast
If I'm not mistaken, the US times should be one hour LATER due to our annual farce of DST (earlier date this year). Paul in NJ - Original Message - From: David Keeffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:01 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Announcement of Broadcast Hello fellow hornplayers! Please excuse the double post. I'd like to announce the broadcast premiere of my recently-composed Octet for Horns. It's to be played live-to-air on 3MBS Fine Music (in Melbourne, Australia) and will be available as a stream on the internet. Go to http://www.3mbs.org.au and look for listen now. The performers will be the Horn Choir of the University of Melbourne, led by Geoff Collinson, the head of brass. Times, in various zones: Australia (Melbourne, Sydney) 13 March at 1.30 pm US, Eastern 12 March at 9.30pm US, Central 12 March at 8.30pm UK, GMT 13 March at 2.30am (sorry folks) David Keeffe -- Systemsolve Pty Ltd phone: 03 9833 4421 mobile: 0413 043 586 http://www.systemsolve.net http://music.systemsolve.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New designs for the Horn
James et al, I once heard that the Thayer valve was originally designed to be used on our beloved Horn! Paul in NJ - Original Message - From: James Wester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:19 PM Subject: [Hornlist] New designs for the Horn Being the tinkerer that I am, I have always been one to like the unique design and new cutting edge technology when it comes to most things. So when it comes to the horn, I've wondered why none of the new valve technology has made it's way into the horn world. Why hasn't anyone tried to incorporate the Thayer valve or True-bor/Haggman valve into horn design. It seems that the only changes that are being made are maybe valve material, but mostly the 3 main designs of horns have stayed the same and even on the unique designs they still use the rotary valves that provide a row of pinched 90 degree turns. Aside from the Veneklasen horn , which appears to of still used the standard rotary valves, has anyone tried to incorporate these new valve technologies into the horn and if so are there any links or pictures of them. Maybe even reviews of how the sounded or played. I'm || this close to calling Haggman and seeing if they can make their valve in the 12.1mm variety and trying to do it myself. It would have to be a single horn with these valves, but I have an idea as to how one could make double valves with the same approach. Anybody know of something? -James - Original Message From: John Baumgart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:18:56 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Music Physics Since you're constructing your own degree program, is it within the realm of possibilities to take such courses at somewhat nearby universities, such as Marquette (OK, 2 hours away) that may offer them? Another possibility could be attending such a university for a semester or so to pick up specific courses that might be weak at Lawrence. Your advisor should be able to help you in this manner. Might be preferable to an independent study. John Baumgart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:08 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Music Physics hello Adam and Listers- I decided to send this post to the whole list, but it's mostly a reply to adam watts. I am a sophomore student at Lawrence University Conservatory (Appleton Wisconsin) and have set up a 5 year degree program whereby I will hopefully graduate with a B.M. in Horn performance, a B.A. in physics, and a minor in Computer Science. My goal -for career or at least graduate school thesis- is to use computer-modeled computational physics for designing and analyzing Horns (and other Brass instruments) So it sounds like we are of similar interests, eh? ...[snip]... As far as course to take, take lots of Physics. My university doesn't have a straight engineering department, so I don't have any pure acoustics courses available -but I am working on designing my own course as a independent study. ...[snup]... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ndspmustang%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: Miking was RE: [Hornlist] Haydn/Dorati Hornists
At that level you expect the sound engineers to know what thry are doing, When you descend a few (or more) steps things really start getting hairy! I remember playing the 1812 at an outdoor venue during the late 70s or early 80s. Since we were using real cannons the decision was made to use amplification for the musicians. The engineer took care of the horns by placing a microphone about 2 feet from my bell (I was on 4th). First horn was about 12 feet to my left...no mic! The sound people would tolerate no criticism of their professional judgement and discussion with the conductor merely brought a shrug of the shouldershe hadn't hired the sound crew . I've never, before or since , played the 1812 so quietly. After the performance the sound people went back to working rock shows without understanding (or even trying to understand) why we were complaining. Paul - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:32 PM Subject: RE: Miking was RE: [Hornlist] Haydn/Dorati Hornists Jeremy, Sorry, you missed my point, and I did not take it personally at all as I did get paid union scale! This was an experimental session in quad. They must have had 72 tracks and mikes to match. The year was about 1978 or 79. There were lights on our mikes, and they were OFF! I looked up the recording, it is re-released on CD now, Sony SMK 45844, Boulez conducting Varese w/NYPhil and other groups. This was the old crew from CBS, Andy Kazdin, Bud Graham, etc. All good producers, engineers, etc. I worked with them a lot in Phila., Marlboro and NYC. I just thought it was really funny! We all did. As to direct miking of horns, I agree with you. That day, the mikes were pointed at the wall behind us, as I recall, and were above our heads. Andy Kazdin, and his buddy, John McClure, liked multi channel mixing in big, reverberant rooms. It was not unusual for them to mike the horn solos with a direct mike and mix it in with the indirect sound for more presence. In small commercial studios, the good engineers always miked horns indirect, the bad ones directly. As to MN Beethoven 5 recording, this was done after I left the orchestra so I have no idea who is involved there now. Shooting is too kind. They should have to listen to their mistakes cranked up to 120 DB and slowly go deaf. Oops, maybe they are deaf already? Yeah, but poison them slowly instead of shooting. KB In a message dated 7/14/2006 1:02:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: message: 15 date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:01:37 -0400 from: Jeremy Cucco [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: RE: Miking was RE: [Hornlist] Haydn/Dorati Hornists Good stuff! Kendall - I wouldn't take it too personally for a couple of reasons. 1 - many (if not most) mics don't have a light on them. It's quite possible they were using one type (with lights) for other parts of the orchestra and a specific type (without lights) for the horns. I often use different mics to get different parts of the orchestra. Clarinets and trumpets sound great through ribbon mics (no lights) and horns and bones sound good through tube mics (some have lights.) 2 - horns in general when direct mic'ed sound like poop! Perhaps they realized this and simply turned the mics off after the fact. Paul - I feel for you. This had to be an insane group of sessions! The horn just sounds crappy when a mic is shoved up the bell! Of course they weren't getting a good sound from it. Sometimes I really feel like some sound engineers need to be shot! FWIW, I'm writing an article on micing and recording the orchestra. I am going to try to excerpt the part about the horns and see if the horn call will publish it. It should be done in a month or so. (It's long!!! I'll need to do some judicious cutting!) J. PS - Kendall - Do you recall who did your recording (MO's) of Beethoven 5? The disc is great but for some reason the engineer chose to use a rather fake sounding reverb processor at the end of the tracks. Another candidate for someone to get shot... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] concert bands
LLB, No reason to duck. I completely agree. When my oldest son (clarinet) and my youngest son (trombone) were taking lessons it took almost superhuman effort to convince the teachers (both highly regarded) that they were not interested in auditioning for All-State Band and/or Orchestra. I was a public school teacher for nearly 30 years and have seen the destructive results of teaching to the test. The joy of actually learning something for its own sake is almost totally ignored in such circumstances. When the test (or audition) if finished there is no longer any incentive. Music and sex should not be competition sports! Paul Truszkowski American Weldery Band West Morris Concert Band Whitehouse Wind Symphony PS. All my children still play! \ - Original Message - From: Leonard Peggy Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn list memphis horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 3:34 PM Subject: [Hornlist] concert bands You know, if band directors were teaching music instead of teaching contest songs every town in America would have a concert band. Instead we have about 98% of our high school graduates putting their instruments away forever the day after graduation. LLB (ducking) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Question about cleaning
- Original Message - From: Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] RE: Question about cleaning Dr. Professor His Highness Horn of Cabbage of AOL wrote: Larry J wrote How many other members of the list have wax paper and a fixed belled horn? Those of us in this category have to remain silent in this screwy thread of arguments, since we don't rub wax paper anywhere on our horns. No need to remain silent at all, Larry! Just unscrew the rim of your mouthpiece, put in a piece of wax paper, and screw it back on. Wow! You have just converted your horn into a professional-model kazoo! This is good for hours and hours of belly-laughs, especially if you are rehearsing Tchaik 5! What about those of us who play one-piece mouthpieces? How can we have fun with wax paper? -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net Hey, watch it! This is a FAMILY-FRIENDLY list. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: FW: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
Just you wait, Henry Higgins, just you wait! -- Original message -- From: Christine Ranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] We don't have Wal-mart in Britain! From: John Dutton Reply-To: The Horn List To: Memphis Hornlist Subject: FW: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning. Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:51:32 -0600 Arg now I am confused, I've had three completely different replies! Where is wax paper available from? ___ Wax paper is available at any grocery store or Wal-Mart etc. It is usually next to the aluminum foil. Most repair people will NOT recommend putting oil or grease on the ring's threads as it will attract dirt gunk which wears the threads. Graphite used for locks (or a pencil lead) is the choice du jour. The wax idea would serve a similar function as the graphite and indeed one could use a chunk of bakers paraffin too (found in the baking aisle of your grocer). I am not a renowned repair person so if one of them ponies up to the discussion then listen to them. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pristine_%40hotmail.com _ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://join.msn.com/toolbar/overview ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Conn bell throats
Does this mean that ALL pre-war Kings used the same bell? I am currently playing on a 1938 King 1155 (5-valve Bb). I've always played on smallish-bell horns.my main axe for over 35 years was a C.F.Schmidt double (piston change valve). I wish SOMEONE would come up with a quantitative way of measuring bell throats (perhaps a 3 ball on a stickmeasure depth of insertion from plane of bell rim?). Paul (NJ) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Conn bell throats That 4D bell throat is indeed bigger than the current 10D models. Historically, the bells for the 4D, 14D, and 6D were all made on the same mandrel. Nowdays that bell is used for the 6D,11D and the 9D. The bell on your 10D is the bell that King used from the beginning of days and was used on the old style King doubles and singles and the more recent Fidelio. Never design a new part when you can recyle an old one! - Steve Mumford In a message dated 4/8/06 1:00:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tom Writes: I just got hold of a 1952 Conn 4D single f horn. It caught my eye as the bell throat seemed larger than my 'medium' bell 10D of 1999. It is significantly larger in the throat, but perhaps not as large as a 'large' bell horn. Did Conn bell sizes vary over time, or is this one an anomaly. While it is significantly 'distressed' (and corroded in places) after a half century in the sweaty hands of schoolchildren, it plays very well. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
Its very useful as a transposing valve when playing from Eb horn parts. Paul - Original Message - From: Kent Spielmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice --- Dan Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 5, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Kent Spielmann wrote: The 4th (thumb) valve seems odd as it is exactly the same length as the 1st valve. so it lowers the pitch by a full step. It should be somewhere in between the length of the first and second valve slides, since stopping on the Bb horn raises the pitch more than a half step. This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st. It can be used as an altenate 1st valve, and when used for stopping, the pitch is flat. Perhaps the only explanation is that it is an ill-conceived design. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] The other side of clams
A wrong note played timidly is a mistake. A wrong note played with conviction is an INTERPRETATION! Paul - Original Message - From: Larry Jellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:24 AM Subject: [Hornlist] The other side of clams The best is yet to be reviled, I mean revealed about the miraculous and creative experience of clam making. What seems at first to be the worst thing to happen to the horn player, the clam, is actually a blessing in disguise for a creative opportunity. I guess it was a vision of the great Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist while I was having the worst time handling a very exposed horn solo as a free-lance amateur performing as a ringer in my regular wind ensemble that made it clear to me that clams are welcomed opportunities for adding a creative twist to an otherwise static music line that has been stuck in time, year after year. The clam makes all this stuck-ness change. The exposed horn solo in the middle sort of blew up when the lips took the melody line too high, and then I didn't know where to go with it. Without thinking, maybe it was some reaching across space by the spirit of the great Professor to make it turn out okay, the solo was suddenly embellished by the most beautiful ornate turn that brought the melody line back down to the range of the composed line. The performance was recorded on CD so the turn is still there to be marveled at and enjoyed. Previous to that experience, I had developed a knack for turning clams into grace notes, a simpler form of ornamentation. This phenomenon is best handled when one plays in the spirit of the great Professor. It really helps to be nonjudgmental about all this in horn playing. Joy comes not from perfection, but from riding the horn wherever it takes you. __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Youth Orchestra horn sectional ideas
Michelle, Get some VOCAL music (SSAA unaccompanied) and have them play as written. No transposition is necessary and it should be well within their range. Teach them to SING through their horns. There is plenty to choose from...renaissance motets through jazz and pop. Paul - Original Message - From: Michelle Fawcett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:55 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Youth Orchestra horn sectional ideas I'm leading an all-day horn sectional for our local youth orchestra. Would anyone like to share their favourite activities for leading a developing horn section? I'll spend a fair time on fun breathing exercises and focus on producing a beautiful ensemble sound with 4 part chorales and trios, etc.culminating in working on the pieces they are preparing for their performance. But I also love hearing new ideas! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Ancora
You mean like this one. (see attachment) The conductor I'm playing for tonite just had an identical instrument refurbished by the same tech who's doing my wife's Couesnon Bb valve T'bone. Cute instrument! The Couesnon should be ready tonite (the tech is in the band). Paul - Original Message - From: Leonard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn list memphis horn@music.memphis.edu Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:41 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Ancora subject: Re: [Hornlist] Ancora? a little off topic I just bought an instrument marked Ancora Gran Prix Paris . Can any of you that have the book tell me anything about the dates on this company? Over the brand is a Anchor. Does Ancora= Anchor in English? Nope it isn't a horn. What is it? An anchor? You are right, Anchor=Ancora in Italian (with accent on the first syllabe). Daniel I bought a Eb alto valve trombone. LLB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horn digest vol 33. issue 12/ re.finger buttons.
Or, if you want to do it on the cheap, go to Staples and spend about a buck on multi-colored foam pencil grips. They fit nicely over the spatulas and you'll even have one left over to use as a spare. Paul - Original Message - From: carol everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:19 PM Subject: [Hornlist] horn digest vol 33. issue 12/ re.finger buttons. You could try the gadgets that Osmun Brass sells for about $11. They are solid rubber with a small slit that fits the end of the spatula. Very comfortable, and give fine fingertip control. - Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn and Trumpet - if you put away one...
deharohorns.com Paul - Original Message - From: James Ray Crenshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horn and Trumpet - if you put away one... I'm looking for a set of what I call finger buttons. Those little coin-like widgets that get soldered onto the valve spatulas. The Lawson horns I've seen come them (w-convex surface) and I'd like a similar thing for my horn. I don't think I want to use coins for this, and would prefer Lawson-like buttons. So, who makes and sells these doo-dads? ~G~ PS: I'd like to see a picture before I buy... if possible ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow music
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow music Bonus question. What does Holton use for slide grease when the horns are assembled at the factory? Wes Hatch _www.weshatchhorns.com_ (http://www.weshatchhorns.com) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net STP? Boat trailer wheel bearing grease? Paul (who has used bothnot simultaneously) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Clarinet/Horn duets
David,
I, and my clarinettist son, would greatly appreciate a copy of the duets.
Paul
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From: David Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:48 PM
Subject: [Hornlist] Clarinet/Horn duets
A few years ago I offered to send listers copies of the Georges Fuchs
op.56 duets for horn and clarinet. This is a group of 24 pieces forming 6
duets. They are very 18th century - lots of noodles for both players.
The copies come from the Bibliotheque National de France.
In this electronic age, the paper is now scanned and I am happy to email
to anyone here who wants it. The package consists of an attachment of 17
jpgs totalling about 900K.
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Re: [Hornlist] the other marching horn
I've often used a BARITONE on Horn parts in a (professional) marching band. Please understand that I mean BARITONE, not euphonium. Nowadays I usually play sousaphone and my wife uses the baritone on trombone parts. Paul (still playing Horn in several other organizations) - Original Message - From: Leonard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn list memphis horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:05 PM Subject: [Hornlist] the other marching horn Years ago I got trapped at a band rehearsal without my horn, or any other horn to use. I used my little brain and got a baritone and played the French Horn music using Bb fingerings. That really worked out well. Baritones are a fun instrument to play in the horn range, have a nice sound and are not very taxing. Has anyone here used a Baritone as a Marching Horn? LLB, Messingschlager ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Looking for composite rim
Try painting the rim of her regular m'piece with clear (or even colored) nail polish. Cheap, effective, and completely reversible. Paul - Original Message - From: Hurricane Chinooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Looking for composite rim I'm looking to buy a composite rim that fits Giardinelli-style threads. I'm looking for a medium rim, at a fair price, for a friend to try. She has an allergic reaction to metal, so I want to get her a composite rim to try to see if it makes a difference. Thanks. Joyce -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pinky Problems
Clebsch strap! - Original Message - From: William Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:34 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Pinky Problems Dear List, When I play every day for a long period of time, I get a pain in my pinky finger. The pain, which shows up about 45-50 minutes into a practice session, extends from the knuckle of my finger to my wrist. However, if I rest for about five minutes or so, I can play for a little while longer before the pain returns. The problem has been occurring off and on for quite a while now. I'm not sure what causes it; I don't have an especially heavy horn, nor do I use a lot of mouthpiece pressure. When the pain gets too bad I can't hold the horn, which presents a problem to playing. Should I tie several dozen balloons to my horn to reduce the pressure, or is there another option? I would appreciate any advice to help with this problem. Thank you William Foss ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
Aleks et al. It IS possible. I've had it done to several instruments (low brass) by Dillon's. Paul in NJ - Original Message - From: Aleks Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople Ladies and Gentlemen: Is it possible to remove a lever type spit valve from a leadpipe, and install an amado push button type instead? Or is the hole different...? Aleks Ozolins NYC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Warning Read at Your Own Risk
- Original Message - From: Bill Gross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Warning Read at Your Own Risk This weekend I'm off to hear my favorite Viennese Opera. I'm sure you're all familiar with it. It's about a small rodent that roams the city biting pneumatic tires on cars and bicycles. It's call DEFLATOR MOUSE. until he runs into that mythical creature which lives in the Paris subway ..the infamous...Metro Gnome ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn too small for hand?
Had a similar problem with an Italian compensator bought on E-Bay last summer. The paddles were far too low for comfortable operation and the mechanical valve action allowed no adjustment. Problem solved by cutting a wine bottle cork into 3/8 slices (after suitable disposal of the bottle contents) and contact-cementing them to the paddles. Paul - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horn too small for hand? With string action, the valve levers can be adjusted upward or down farther. You could add a leather hand guard which would move you out a fraction; and you may need to curve your fingers as if grasping a ball loosely. This should move the tips of your fingers back a bit; quite a bit if your fingers are extended straight over the spatulas. If none of that help much, get a leather hand-strap holder from Osmun and work your hand position at a lowered position. CORdially, Mansur's Answers How do you deal with a horn that's too small for your left hand? I've got fairly big hands and the valves on this new-to-me Holton (Thanks, Dave Weiner, for the info) are set particularly low. The low height combined with the relative small size of the horn and the valve placement means my hand, when in a relaxed position with fingers extended, almost completely covers the valve levers - my middle finger is just shy of the inside end of the lever. Is there any less-than-terribly-ugly way to build up the outside of the horn so that it might be more comfortable for my left hand? The placement of the pinkie hook is fine - I did check that. At the moment, I'm holding my hand open (palm and inside knuckles not touching the horn) and/or turning it under a bit, both of which are uncomfortable for more than a few minutes. Thanks in advance, all. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Schmidt Advice Needed...
First of all, the seller does not claim this horn to be an original C.F.Schmidt but rather calls it a Schmidt model. My genuine C.F.Schmidt has mechanical valve linkages...done sometime before I purchased the horn almost 40 years ago. The details which I immediately noticed were: The 3rd valve F side slide, The leadpipealthough mine was replaced over 30 years ago it is still the original pattern, The apparent lack of NS trim on valve caps and ferrules, The braces on the leadpipe and bell (which seems to be of a pattern used on a lot of Italian imports), The brace from the F tuning slide to the corpus, My F tuning slide is also located closer to the bell. I believe that Kalison still lists a Schmidt model in their (extensive) catalogue of horns. Perhaps this could be related in some way. Paul - Original Message - From: Ray Sonja Crenshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:58 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Schmidt Advice Needed... If you know anything about Schmidt horns (the old piston thumb-valve models from Germany), then I would ask that you go here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=16215item=7302616771 rd=1 ...and take a look at this Schmidt model horn listed on E-bay. The seller has good feedback (meaning people have been happy with his auctions), but there are a few red flags that pop up with this horn. The seller just MIGHT BE playing things a bit coy on ID'ing this horn. I used to have a Schmidt, and have played and/or seen a total of about FIVE of them, NONE of which looked like this horn. The tubing and layout is VERY close, but, for me, none of the detail bits and pieces ring true. I'm aware that many Schmidt-like horns have been made over the years; Conn had one and so did, I'm told, many other manufacturers. However, I'm not enough of an old horn expert to tell if this E-bay horn is simply a later model genuine Schmidt, or a pattern copy. For me, several red flags pop up on this horn. They are, MECHANICAL ROTARY VALVE LINKAGE: Perhaps they came this way, but none I've seen were so-equipped. LEADPIPE SHAPE: Starting at the mouthpiece, the leadpipe on the E-bay horn follows the curve of the bell-section (normal), but then, after only a short distance, it suddenly makes a turn across the middle of the horn, like a Holton or Conn leadpipe does. This is UNLIKE any of the 4-or-5 Schmidts I've seen before. On all the others, the leadpipe continues to follow the curve of the bell-section until THE VERY BOTTOM of the horn (as the player holds it), then turns upward and heads toward the main tuning slide. Or at least that's the way I remember things. LEADPIPE LENGTH: This Schmidt has a SHORTER leadpipe than the others I've seen, prompting the question, Is this a Schmidt at all? 3rd VALVE SLIDE ON F-SIDE: All the Schmidts I've seen used the common 3rd-valve-swan's-neck-swoop, on the F-side, and ONLY THE Bb slide was a simple 6-piece patchwork of 2-curves and 4-straight pieces. The E-bay horn has both 3rd valve slides of the 6-piece construction. VALVE LEVERS, BRACES, VALVE CAPS, ETC: All unfamiliar to me. I have my father-in-law's Schmidt single-F, which is a later model; born after WWII. Even so, most all the little widgets and details are very much like my old between-the-wars Schmidt double. But this horn has none of these familiar pieces. Also, if it's NOT a genuine Schmidt, then what-the-howdy is it? The Carl Fischer inscription on the bell appears on many true Schmidts and, as I understand it, ID's them as post WWII models, imported by Fischer. Perhaps Fischer also had his own Schmidts made? If not a true Schmidt, how good a horn would this one be? What say ye? jrc in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] 24 Airs
Thank you for your generous offer . I would greatly appreciate a copy. I'm
guessing that the copyright has expired on this work(!).
Paul
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From: David Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [Hornlist] 24 Airs
Due to a recent request, I scanned my ancient (~1820?) copy of:
24 Airs du Postillon de Lonjumeau, du Diadeste'
et des plus jolies Romances de Th. LaBarre et Masini
Arrange's en duos pour deux cors par Schiltz,
del Academie Royale De Musique
diviseu en deux suites
I go into all this detail taken from the title page because I have only un
of the deux suites - that is, I have only the first 12 of the 24 duets.
If anyone here knows of the other 12 I would like to have them also.
In the meantime, anyone who wants these 12 is welcome to them, in the form
of a zip file of all 17 pages. On your request I will attach the file,
about 2.8MB to an email to you. They are clever little duets, not
difficult. I stumbled on the original print in Paris in 1965.
I scanned it in greyscale so as to preserve the ancient stains and the
impressions of the printing plates. It is easily readable, but with the
help of an art program you could make it clean up good.
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Re: [Hornlist] Cold Sores
I've had good results using L-lysine tablets taken at the first hint of a cold sore. It seems that this particular amino acid stops the spread of the infection. This was suggested on this list a few years ago and confirmed by my dentist. He said that the only problem is knowing when to take ittoo late and you still get a blister (but it doesnt spread). After 50+ years of cold sores I KNOW when to take it! Paul - Original Message - From: Robert Fagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 7:54 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Cold Sores Hi, I'm another cold-sore sufferer and a microbiologist too... The only thing that will definitely work is the antiviral drug acyclovir (sold in Ireland and probably elsewhere as Zovirax cream) If you catch a cold-sore early this can prevent a blister forming and will speed up the healing anyway. Unfortunately now that you've had one you will more than likely have periodic reoccurrences so it'd be a good idea to buy some Zovirax anyway and use it if you ever get any strange tingling/swelling in your lip in future. As for playing, it's very important not to break the skin when you have a cold-sore because it then takes MUCH longer to heal. If the blister has already split then all you can do is try to avoid irritating it more and wait for it to heal. But please be very conscious of the fact that the virus which causes cold-sores is highly contagious so don't let anyone else touch your mouthpiece/glass/cup/towel etc. and remember that the virus can infect other parts of your own body as well so try not to touch it with your fingers and wash your hands well if you do! Sorry if that's not particularly cheerful advice but cold-sores do get a lot easier to deal with after a while and it is possible that you may be one of the lucky few who never have a reoccurrence. Robert A friend will help you move, a good friend will help you move a body. Robert Fagan Moyne Institute, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland [EMAIL PROTECTED] +353 1 6081817 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karl Feinauer Sent: 21 January 2005 23:57 To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Cold Sores What is the best way to deal with a cold sore and get in daily practice at the same time? Unfortunately, this is my first cold sore and it is right on the top of my lip where the mouthpiece goes. Any advice on how to prevent the spread of infection, get rid of the sore, or just subdue the pain while I practice? Thanks. -Karl Feinauer ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Profound Remarks
A wrong note played timidly is a mistake. A wrong note played with conviction is an interpretation. (!) - Original Message - From: Ronald V. Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hornlist horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Profound Remarks One of my pet theories is that if you hang around someone long enough, they will eventually say something profound. It might take 30 years, as in the case of one of my neighbors. He uttered nothing but inanities for that time, then one day when I was complaining to him about neighborhood dogs barking, he suddenly became thoughtful and said Who knows why dogs bark? which for him was quite profound. That's the other thing about this theory - the listener know right away when the profundity is uttered. This theory especially applies to horn teachers - you probably don't have to wait 30 years to recognize their profound sayings. I studied several summers with the late Joseph Singer of the NY Phil., showing up at one lesson with a question about a piece of repertoire, noting that I really don't know how to solve this. Mr. Singer replied Well Ronald, you wanted to play the horn ... Now Play! This made a deep impression on me, although I really don't remember if the problem was ever solved or not. Earlier, I had a few lessons with the late Ross Taylor when he was in San Francisco. During one lesson he exclaimed You played that wrong note with such conviction that you ALMOST made me think it was correct. There is a lesson here to try to play with as much conviction as possible. You may remember profound remarks from your own studies. Ron Rhodes ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner?
Dillon's sends mouthpieces out for plating. Paul - Original Message - From: Chris Tedesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:24 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner? I would guess that most people prefer gold plated rims with a wet embouchure, but I actually very much prefer silver. I have soft and luxurious lips that when coupled with a gold rim gives me a playing surface so slick that I can hardly set my embouchure. I originally ordered my mouthpiece with a gold rim and had the hardest time with it, so I exchanged for silver. Chris --- Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this the mouthpiece you're talking about? http://1800usaband.com/htmls/itementryview.asp?itementryid=6121 I'd be happy to give that one a try at some point in the future. I tend, as I mentioned, to a flutie sort of sound although that is gradually diminishing as time goes by. Question - do many of you who play with a wet embouchure prefer gold-plated mouthpieces? They're awfully expensive compared to the silver-plated versions of the same thing. Dillon offers many mouthpieces in either finish - I wonder if they do the plating in-house... -S- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] du] On Behalf Of Paul Mansur Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 1:59 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Holton Farkas MC mouthpiece - OK for adult beginner? On Sunday, December 19, 2004, at 10:27 PM, Steve Freides wrote: Am I OK to use the Holton? Is it some special purpose mouthpiece or is it OK for me at this early stage of my development? Generally, a little larger mouthpiece will yield a little fatter tone on a horn. A small mouthpiece yield a bit too much Flutiness, I'll call it. The Farkas MDC is nearer the original Farkas style mouthpiece. I do not care for the Conn mouthpiece that comes with an 8D. It seems to me to be intended for weak student embouchures and does not have the capacity to make the horn sound full and rich. That's my two cents worth on the subject. I use an old Geyer pattern he made for me in 1948. Now, after having that one stolen, I use copies of that one rather than the original. Paul Mansur ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridayscomputer.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Fw: New Mouthpiece
- Original Message - From: LOTP To: The Horn List Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: New Mouthpiece I've been playing Horn for 45 years and in all that time I've used only three different mouthpieces. From 1959 to 1972 I used a WWII era Reynolds which belonged to my father. From 1972 to 1992 ..a Giardinelli F16. 1992 to now a Giardinelli C8. Each time I made a change I noticed a significant improvement in sound and playing ease (same horn through all the changes), I've recently purchased a Giardinelli C6almost identical to my C8 except for a slightly larger bore. I played a rehearsal this week using the new 'piece and without my telling you what the results were, what do YOU think I should have noticed? Paul ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: Re:[Hornlist] RE: YHR 668
I agree that the stopping valve is rarely used and since I am currently playing on an excellent 5 valve King Bb (thanks again Richard) I dont need another F extension, I have added an H section to the thumb valve turning it into a whole tone valve. One of the bands I play with does a lot of OLD transcriptions of orchestral works (warhorses) with horn parts in Eb. Yes I could transpose at sight but its so much easier to just use the thumb. A slight adjustment of the valve slides helps intonation. Paul - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:19 AM Subject: Re: Re:[Hornlist] RE: YHR 668 It's mostly laziness on my part, but the intonation differences using Bb length valve slides with an F attachment are not so great they can't be lipped into tune, especially if you pull the F crook out a bit. The alternative is a manual change on the crook, but pulling the F slide a bit flat is just as easy. My point is that the stopping valve is very rarely used, and never unexpectedly. The F attachment, once mastered, adds so much to the playability and respectability of the instrument, it should preferentially be in place all the time. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: Re:[Hornlist] RE: YHR 668
Well, at age 58, having played Horn for the last 45+ years, I'm hardly a beginning student. I'm having a lot of fun trying out the possibilities of the 5-valve Bb..Here's another idea: replace the stopping valve slide with a first-valve slide from an F Horn. It should give you more notes with a F sound. Waddya think? Paul - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Re:[Hornlist] RE: YHR 668 I've been considering adding a fifth valve to my King, but that might push it to the point of needing valve plating, which I could do if I stopped putting off setting up the equipment I already have. I found myself using the King so much, I jumped at the chance to pick up a Paxman 42M that Bob Osmun offered my at a price that made it a no brainer. The Paxman has the F attachment on the sixth valve (4th paddle). From your conversion of the stopping valve to a transposing valve, can I make the assumption you also find the stopping valve pretty useless? I liken the stopping valve to a fire extinguisher. It looks cool and 'responsible', but its only vital if I don't use my brain, and let an emergency come up. Hans has some strong, and valid, criticism for playing everything on the Bb side of a double horn, but the F attachment, and extra weight of my Paxman make it much more suitable as a full range horn for general playing. I bought a really beat up Reynolds Contempora single F with the idea of using it as a source of rebuilt valves for my King. Reynolds valves are a cut above other commercial rotors, and always respond well to just tightening the bearings. I wanted to find a second carcass and build a new four or five valve cluster for the King, with the lever on a 4th paddle, similar to the Paxman. However, with some dents removed the Contempora single F is a nice playing horn and my wife and I often play duets with the King Bb on first and the single F on second. Not only is it a good match, she's finally learning the reactions needed to play both F and Bb full range. One thing I find is that a high quality single F horn is completely different from the F side of a high quality double horn. Likewise, a good Bb is a totally different beast from either my Double Bb Paxman or my full double concert horn. I agree with Hans that the basis for correct tonality is the F horn, with its complex upper partials. I would never start a student on a single Bb, and would expect them to work to performance level on a piece at the difficulty of, say, movement 2 of Mozart 3, before switching them to a double. The question then becomes what is the basis of the F tonality you want to emulate. The simplest reasonable answer is to put the F standard on the horn your playing. Thus, my conclusion that the F attachment is much more essential than the stopping valve. I would add a further criterion that the Bb horn should be able to sound like a good F horn when played in open F tuning. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Schmidt style horns
I'm pretty happy with my C.F.Schmidt Schmidt-style horn. Unfortunately its currently out of service due to a need for a valve job :( Paul Truszkowski (currently playing a newly-purchased 1939 King 1155.look that one up) - Original Message - From: Hurricane Chinooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 4:26 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Schmidt style horns Who currently makes Schmidt style horns? I just got a vintage York Schmidt style horn and it has the most comfortable change valve of any horn I've played so far. Also, the smoothness from one side of the horn to the other is wonderful. What are the best playing older model Schmidt style horns out there? Thanks. Joyce Maley http://www.chinookdogs.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horn quartet/ensemble music
Scott et al: Go to a good music store which sells vocal sheet music. (Young's in Whitehall Pa e.g.) Find the music for female chorus a-capella and look at the SSAA arrangements. Play them on horns as written. Usually works quite well. If you have players who can transpose an octave (duh) and some who can read bass clef. try SATB. Paul Scott Pappal wrote: All: If any of you have favorite selections for sacred horn quartet music, please e-mail me the titles/publishers. Also, if there are music suppliers whom you have found which have on-line catalogues of any significant size, I'd appreciate any info about them as well. Before I get the typical accusations of being lazy, and the usual suggestions to do a google search, etc, I'd like to mention that I've looked in the usual places I know of, such as despub.com, hickey's music, Robert King, and several other publishers: none of them offer very much for horn quartet. I'm hoping that some of you can offer suggestions based on your personal performing experience - I'd much sooner take the recommendation of a fellow lister than base my decisions on a brief one-sentence description in a catalogue. Thank you in advance for your time, Scott Pappal Altoona, PA P.S. Instrumentation I'm looking for is between three and eight horn parts, with or without keyboard accompaniment. My student horn choir has been asked to play at about half a dozen churches in the next several months, and I find myself running quite short on music. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40blast.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Quintet metronome
A metrognome is an elf that lives in the Paris subway! LOTP Jonathan West wrote: Maybe some quintets use five metronomes, but I know of a few quintets which use as many as eight for psychological reasons. They start five at the beginning of the piece, then start the others once they realize that they don't have a metronome going for themselves. No, no! It's very simple really. A metrognome is a garden gnome that lives in the city. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40blast.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Schmidt-style horns
Kalison lists a Schmidt-wrap horn on their website (www.kalison.com) Paul Russ Smiley wrote: I'm just being curious: who makes these today? I would like to know more about the characteristics of Schmidt (piston change valve)-style horns. Does it depend upon manufacture, or do all Schmidt-style horns have certain common playing characteristics. Thanks. Joyce Maley ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
