Re: [Hornlist] Is there a universal flight case?

[Tom Warner]

On 1 Jul 2008, at 12:05 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Here in Manchester buses are great! (if you like the smell of vomit,  
don't
mind sitting on seats that you stick to and find being beaten up a   
turn-on)


C'mon Lawrence, you _know_ they're talking about long distance coaches.

Not those ghost buses that drive around the inner city completely  
empty until you step on one. When you do they suddenly (Harry Potter  
like) fill up with delirious drunks and armed hoodies.



Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Wooden Mpc

[Tom Warner]

On 30 May 2008, at 3:42 am, Christian Wilhjelm wrote:


A really wonderful trumpet player/composer Anthony Plog played very
successfully for years with a wooden mouthpiece.  For some folks metal
causes issues with skin conditions for some others it may just be an
issue of comfort.  While I would not suggest this as the standard
course, I certainly would be careful not discard the idea as silly.


I think Benterfa would agree with you:




All the best,
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Chinese instruments

[Tom Warner]

On 1 May 2008, at 11:20 pm, John Baumgart wrote:

Speaking of Chinese made horns, Kit wrote: "A couple of years in the  
future
when the manufacturers learn what they're doing, these instruments  
may start

to become quite acceptable."

I agree. I'm one who's actually optimistic about the future of Chinese
instruments.


It's already happening with other brass instruments.

Importers are demanding a high level of quality and instruments based  
on proven designs. One brand is advertising that they've had their  
lead pipes designed by a well known and respected custom instrument  
maker.


The prices are rising with the quality but I've been told that it's  
still possible to get, for example, a trumpet that's _very_ similar to  
a Yamaha Xeno for approximately half the price.


In the Brass Band world, Virtuosi in England are selling what to all  
intents and purposes are professional quality instruments at student  
prices.


It's a growing area and there's no reason it can't happen with horns.

I'd almost be willing to bet that right now, somewhere out there there  
is a very well built and good playing Han 8D or 103.


All the best,
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Horn Stick

[Tom Warner]

On 20 Jan 2008, at 1:05 pm, Melvin Baldwin wrote:

I'm considering purchasing a Horn Stick or a Pip (Pyp?) Stick. They  
both differ in method of attachment to the horn, and at least in  
the pictures, also on which leg the device rests.


They differ considerably.

The PipStick mounts solidly (solder) and each one must be custom made  
and mounted by a technician. Once adjusted, there is no movement and,  
it becomes a rigid part of the horn.


The Horn Sticks I've used are self installed clamp-ons and have a  
flexible connection. This means that, although they support the  
weight of the horn, there is an element of balance required and they  
don't feel nearly as secure as the PipStick.


Another thing to consider with all of them is the mounting bracket  
location. It's not easy to find a location that still allows the horn  
to fit easily in its case. That can be a problem.


I settled on the Stick that uses a single mount point (rather than  
bridging across two tubes) that I could fit 'inside' the wrap of my  
Paxman 23 in a well braced area.


If it wasn't such a hassle, I'd go for the PipStick (I may still) but  
the Horn Sticks work pretty well.


HTH
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] OT: Is there a trumpet list similar to this horn list?

[Tom Warner]

On 9 Jan 2008, at 5:04 pm, Steve Freides wrote:


Is there a trumpet list similar to this horn list?


Yes: 


Two similar curiosity questions I will ask here if anyone wishes to  
reply
(and please do feel free to reply privated) - I know French Horn  
players
have their horn and learn to transpose on it, and I know trumpet  
players
tend not to be as good as transposing as French Horn players.  That  
in mind:


1. Do some/many/most professional orchestral trumpet players own  
trumpets

pitched in C for playing things at concert pitch?

2. Do some/many/most who play Baroque music or other music written  
for Eb
trumpet own and use an Eb trumpet?  I helped a local band director  
transpose
some Eb trumpet parts so that Bb players could play them normally,  
and they
really did end up being quite high.  I also can't imagine someone  
playing

the first movement of the Haydn trumpet concerto on a Bb instrument
(although I guess it's possible).


Although the smaller trumpets sometimes make fingering simpler and  
move the partials a bit further apart, just like a descant horn, they  
don't really make high notes 'easier' to play.


I think you'll find that, if you can't play a high note (concert  
pitch) on a Bb you'll still struggle with the same note on an Eb or  
piccolo.


But by all means, please ask these questions on TPIN for better answers
Trumpet Players International Network 


All the best,
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Off topic news

[Tom Warner]

On 13 Oct 2007, at 11:03 pm, Bill Gross wrote:


Yes mate, but what about the All Blacks?


Nice outfits... knocked out by the French if I'm not mistaken.


Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Berlin Hornists

[Tom Warner]

On 12 Sep 2007, at 7:00 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:






This information is incredibly helpful. After my posting, I spent  
(way too
much) time looking for a location that offered the CD or any  
information
about it and came up with zilch. Berliner Philharmoniker, Gebr.  
Alexander

and all of my usual horn/import CD sources (Ulrich Koebl, TAP, Paxman,
Osmun, jpc.de) were all of no avail. This was particularly frustrating
since I realized that I had confused this Berlin Horn ensemble CD  
with the
Vienna Horns, Art of Brass CD that is also on the Rimsky-Horns site  
and saw

that I didn't have a copy of it yet (will remedy that ASAP).


That site is helpful if you want to see what 'Opera looks like but, I  
wasn't able to purchase it.


Anyone else have any luck?

Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] SF Symphony tour dates in Europe

[Tom Warner]

On 26 Aug 2007, at 4:42 pm, Robert Ward wrote:

We are off this morning for a European Tour, and I just wanted to  
let those "across the pond" know what the dates are in case you  
wanted to stop by and hear us.


Aug 29, 30 Edinburgh
Sept 1, 2 London (Proms)
Sept. 3 Hannover
Sept. 5 Berlin
Sept. 6 Cologne
Sept. 7 Dusseldorf
Sept. 9, 10  Frankfurt
Sept. 12, 13, 14 Lucerne



Caught a bit of the Shostakovich 5 Saturday on BBC TV.

Bob seemed to get the biggest applause, even the commentator  
mentioned it.


You can listen to the radio broadcast of Prom 64 here:





Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Hornette

[Tom Warner]

On 19 Jun 2007, at 7:58 pm, John Mason wrote:


So, am I correct to assume that none of you actually
knows what a former Salvation Army Band member, based
in the UK and colonial South Africa, might have meant
by a hornette?


I don't know if it helps but, I've played in brass bands here in the  
UK for the last 10 years (tenor horn and cornet) and I've never heard  
of a hornette.


I've played many S. Army arrangements and I've never seen a hornette  
part.


When I first read your post my immediate reaction was that someone,  
somewhere along the line, had mis-heard 'cornet'.


Sorry I can't help more.

All the best,
Tom 
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Re: [Hornlist] Hornette and Song Flute

[Tom Warner]

On 18 Jun 2007, at 7:47 am, David Goldberg wrote:

This page shows a photo of a brass instrument that I took to be a  
real hornette, but it looks more like a cornet traveling about 3/4  
the speed of light.  But that's not why google turned up this website.


That's a bad photo of a 'pocket trumpet' with a stuck valve.

If you open the image in a new window, you can see it in a better  
perspective.


Here's a picture of one like mine:



All the best,
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Fanfare for the Common Man

[Tom Warner]

On 16 Jan 2007, at 2:13 pm, Melvin Baldwin wrote:

A friend of mine once told me, he thought 'Fanfare for the Common  
Man' should be arranged for Horn Choir(no trumpets, trombones etc.)
Has this ever been done? Do you think it should be? Is it even  
practical?


It's on the Vienna Horns album (and my iPod):



HTH
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Video - Siegfried Horn Call

[Tom Warner]

On 27 Sep 2006, at 10:04 pm, Paul Mansur wrote:

I've tried to open this to see what's going on.  No such luck.  It  
must be something for PCs and I can't get to it with a MAC.  I like  
your reviews, thus far.


You might need this:



Very useful.

All the best,
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Video - Siegfried Horn Call

[Tom Warner]

On 25 Sep 2006, at 9:08 am, Graham Jarvis wrote:

I just came across this video on the Swedish Royal Opera House  
homepage and thought it might be of interest. The text gives some  
background to the Long Call in its context. The hornplayer is  
Annamia Eriksson. I heard her give a recital of music for Horn and  
harp during the summer and was very impressed.


http://www.hovkapellet.com/sv/artiklar/visa_artikel.do?original_id=34


It can't be any good... she's using mechanical valves.

Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Pressure NHR sort of not NHR: one can choose:

[Tom Warner]

On 17 May 2006, at 12:59 am, C.J.L. Wolf wrote:

Speaking of which, anyone know how Pip Eastpop hit top top top A on  
the london horn sound CD? Please tell me he didn't do it on an  
ordinary mouthpiece and instrument?!


Sorry Kit...

I was talking to him about that piece and mentioned that, although  
you really can't tell on a recording, his playing on it, to me,  
sounded almost effortless.


He looked thoughtful for a moment and then picked his horn[1] up off  
the sofa and played the phrase just like on the recording, at about  
mf, looking about as stressed as I do playing C scale.


When he finished, he said:

'Not effortless. I probably only have twenty-three of those in me at  
any one time.'



All the best,
Tom
[1] Unlacquered gold brass Schmid double, PHC 22 cup and AN rim I  
believe

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Re: [Hornlist] OT - Haydn trumpet concerti

[Tom Warner]

On 13 Apr 2006, at 2:44 am, Steve Freides wrote:


I wonder if anyone makes an Eb trumpet ...


Just about everyone.

If you look around you can find pro level and student level Eb  
trumpets and cornets.


I have an Eb flugel horn.

HTH
Tom

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Re: [Hornlist] Today Is

[Tom Warner]

On 2 Apr 2006, at 1:53 pm, Joe Scarpelli wrote:


A quick search produced:

http://www.bostonbaseball.com/whitesox/baseball_extras/sidd.html


And of course for those who want more in depth information:



All the best,
Tom
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and evil people doing evil things.
But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.


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Re: [Hornlist] The Finke high f valve

[Tom Warner]

On 20 Mar 2006, at 2:32 pm, Alon reuven wrote:


Is the Idea of a mouthpipe valve so bad ?
If not - how come other makers did not try it?


Paxman use a (rotary) mouthpipe valve.

Tom
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and evil people doing evil things.
But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.


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Re: [Hornlist] [UK players] Stolen horn alert?

[Tom Warner]

On 10 Mar 2006, at 3:31 pm, Tim Costen wrote:


item=7397331947 rings rather a lot of alarm bells for me..the curious
initial text in the Description, the text which has been cut-and- 
pasted from

the Schmid website, but most of all the low starting bid.


It doesn't have to be a stolen horn.

It's just as likely the horn doesn't exist at all.

Ask for pictures and a serial number.

All the best,
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Berb cases

[Tom Warner]

On 8 Mar 2006, at 2:10 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Those are definitely not MB knockoffs.  They remind me of the BAGS  
cases, but
are clearly not those either.  Not much help, except in a negative  
sort of

way, I guess.


They are Bags. Hence the name; 'Berps and Bags'



Have a look at the pictures of the fixed bell case.

Something is odd there.

Follow the line from the bell rim to the case handle on the open  
case. Looks like a normal Bags case but when you follow the same line  
on the image of the closed case, it's all wrong. Maybe they've added  
mute space.


All the best,
Tom


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Re: [Hornlist] Tomboeck

[Tom Warner]

On 26 Jan 2006, at 2:59 pm, Daniel Canarutto wrote:

Wolfgang Tomboeck's CD "The Art of Vienna Horn" can be bought from  
the iTunes store for less than 6 euros. With all due respect to all  
others, I must say that I never heard anything like this. This is  
the True Horn Sound, dreamed of since I took the instrument; its  
quality never lowers, even in the difficult passages. And if you  
let a friend listen to this album, he may ask: "But why do you need  
a double horn?"


Daniel,

iTunes is still lacking a review of this album. You may want to give  
them yours.


All the best,
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Recording and Mic Placement

[Tom Warner]

On 26 Jan 2006, at 5:00 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The proper way to record, and capture the actual sound, is with a  
pair of large diaphragm, high quality mics. Very good Asian  
versions of these mics are available for a couple of hundred  
dollars each, and the top experts can't discern the difference from  
the originals, that are several thousand dollars.


Would you please point me towards those mics?

TIA
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] contents of horn digest vol.32 issue 5 /pinky problem solved.

[Tom Warner]

On 7 Aug 2005, at 2:27 am, carol everson wrote:


A horn strap was a help, but felt constricting and clumsy.


A Paxman Loop avoids both of those situations.

Finally, a small hinged hand rest was added, putting the weight of  
the horn between the base of the thumb and forefinger.


That's where a Paxman Loop puts the weight and spreads it out across  
the back of the hand.


It also adds an element of security without binding or feeling  
'trapped'. I forget it's there until I play a horn that doesn't have  
one.


They just work.

Also, they're cheap and easily installed (or removed) at home in  
minutes with no changes to your horn.


Really folks, if you're looking for a hand support, trying one of  
these first makes a lot of sense before installing something more  
expensive and complicated that may or may not work as well.


When I put mine on the horn, I looked at it and thought: 'That can't  
work!' but, when I picked up it up as usual, the weight just sort of  
disappeared.


I have arthritis. My left hand (especially my pinkie) is where it's  
worst and the Loop made the weight and the pinkie hook location a non- 
issue.


I first tried a strap and two types of horn stick. The Loop is much  
more comfortable, useful and convenient.


Sorry if I come across a bit evangelistic but, it's such a simple,  
elegant and effective design that it deserves a bit of 'word of mouth'.


Of course YMMV but, there's not much to loose.

All the best,
Tom

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Re: [Hornlist] Pinky Problems

[Tom Warner]

On 5 Aug 2005, at 8:34 pm, William Foss wrote:

When I play every day for a long period of time, I get a pain in my  
pinky finger. The pain, which shows up about 45-50 minutes into a  
practice session, extends from the knuckle of my finger to my  
wrist. However, if I rest for about five minutes or so, I can play  
for a little while longer before the pain returns.


Get a Paxman Loop.

Simple, cheap-

Magic.

All the best,
Tom


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Re: [Hornlist] Coins as lever extensions, formerly HR

[Tom Warner]

On 23 Jun 2005, at 8:13 pm, Alan Cole wrote:

>  However that may be, any way you shake
> it silver coins are way cooler than those sissy concave finger  
> buttons --
> at least among the rank amateur horn crowd.  (Don't know about the
> professionals, though.)


I think by far the coolest coins to use on a horn would be Austrian  
Philharmonikers.

Orchestral motif (with Vienna Horn) and solid gold.

Not cheap but, do you love your horn or not? ;o)



Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures

[Tom Warner]

On 22 May 2005, at 1:28 pm, Herbert Foster wrote:

Here's a question I haven't seen discussed: How do you count  
measures without
getting lost? I use my fingers in a bi-quinary mode: thumb down for  
1, thumb
down curled for 6. That way I can count to 100 with both hands  
using the left hand as the tens digit.


I use American Sign Language.

You can count to 999 with one hand...

HTH
Tom

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Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece Survey Results

[Tom Warner]

On 31 Jan 2005, at 10:29 pm, Stuart A. de Haro wrote:
I've ended my mouthpiece survey and have posted the results on my
website.  Here is the link:
http://www.deharohorns.com/mouthpiece_survey_results.html
Considering that there is just the one model Pizka; it would seem to be 
one of the more popular configurations.

It might be interesting to see the breakdown of models, on the most 
popular brands.

All the best,
Tom
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[Hornlist] Lacquer or No Lacquer

[Tom Warner]

I'm specifically interested in the UK but I'd like to read responses to 
these questions from the rest of the world as well.

I'm wondering whether the present crop of intermediate/advanced 
students prefer lacquered or unlacquered horns.

Also, is there a particular brand or model horn that seems to be most 
popular?

I'm not concerned with which is best. I'm only interested in what 
students seem to be choosing right now.

Thanks in Advance,
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Pinky Hook, Ducks Foot, or Hand Strap

[Tom Warner]

On 23 Oct 2004, at 5:15 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With a strap, is it a little more time-consuming (maybe by a second or 
two)
to remove your hand from it to free it up?
That's another nice thing about the Paxman Loop; it's only snug when 
you're hand is in playing position.

It's hard for me to explain this but, when I first put the Loop on my 
horn, I thought:
"That can't work. It's too loose to be of any use."

But when you put your hand through the Loop and grab the horn normally, 
everything comes into place.

Let go of the horn; it's loose. Grab it; it's snug. Wonderful.
HTH
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] new Viennese Horn on ebay

[Tom Warner]

On 18 Jul 2004, at 3:04 pm, Alan Cole wrote:
Cool !
First 1 of those I've ever seen that's shiny.
You might be interested in this:

All the best,
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Geyer trademark

[Tom Warner]

On 29 Apr 2004, at 5:09 pm, David Goldberg wrote:
On the radio, I heard about some folks who cleverly named their 
coffee shop
Federal Espresso.  Before long the Federal Express people heard about 
it &
sicced lawyers on the coffee shop folks, threatening court action if 
the
name wasn't changed.  The coffee shop folks went to their own lawyer, 
who
told them (in effect), "You have an excellent case. ..."
Well of course.  They had good grounds.
But if they'd decided to fight, there would have been trouble brewin'.
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Slide Lubricants

[Tom Warner]

Just my two Euros...


I may be mistaken but, is not the expression 'my two cents'?

If so, that's convenient, because it works in both currencies.

1 Euro = 100 cents

1 Dollar = 100 cents

n'est pas?

All the best,
Tom
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[Hornlist] They really are getting close.

[Tom Warner]

I can't help but feel this is bad news for the job market.



Some of the other instruments are very good.

Tom

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Re: [Hornlist] Solder or Epoxy?

[Tom Warner]

Silver dimes can be bought on eBay for $1 each.
Dimes?!

I reckon a smaller version (maybe 1/4 ounce) of these are the right 
thing for a horn:



Tom

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Re: [Hornlist] Acid Breath/Rotor oiling etc

[Tom Warner]

On 8 Mar 2004, at 7:14 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No it doesn't.
Yes it does.

HTH
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] standley routine

[Tom Warner]

On 13 Feb 2004, at 1:47 pm, Jocelyn Standley wrote:

That's because Dave Thompson changed it last night.
Was that after your polite private inquiry to him, or after you 
insulted him on this international mailing list?

It's easy enough to find an on line shop selling the Standley Routine 
that doesn't mention Southern Music (along with dozens of other 
publications where the publisher isn't mentioned) but you haven't 
referred to them.

If it wasn't listed to your satisfaction say so to him but accusing him 
of impropriety was uncalled for.

Sincerely,
Tom Warner
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Re: [Hornlist] standley routine

[Tom Warner]

On 13 Feb 2004, at 4:29 am, Jocelyn Standley wrote:

When I found the website, I became concerned when I saw "Thompson 
Edition Inc." linked with "Standley Routine" with no mention of 
Southern Music Company.
It says 'Southern Music Company Edition' when I go there.

HTH
Tom
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Shost.5

[Tom Warner]

On 2 Feb 2004, at 12:35 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Oh well, just my two pfennings there :)
I believe it's 'cents' now that the Euro has arrived. ;o)

All the best,
Tom
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My ol' grandaddy taught me to always;
post in plain text,
quote only that portion to which you are replying,
post replies at the bottom.
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Re: [Hornlist] Multiple Horns

[Tom Warner]

On 1 Feb 2004, at 9:42 pm, Paul Mansur wrote:

Many in the audience covered their eyes to just listen.  They could 
not distinguish brass from nickle-silver or red brass; much less who 
made the various instruments.  It is not surprising, therefore, that 
Phil Myers still sounds like Phil Myers to me.   Or that Dale 
Clevenger, through some changes in his equipment, still sounds like 
Dale Clevenger.  Include Greg Hustis and Kendall Betts and many others 
in the lot,  I've heard Hans Pizka on a Wiener single F, and a couple 
of doubles.  He still sounds like Hans.
Thank you for that Paul. You've confirmed something that I've been 
curious about.

I'm just a hobby player, a perpetual beginner, but a few months ago I 
was looking for a horn to replace my student model. I tried a few 
different horns (Paxman 20, 25, Schmid, Kruspe) and then I found a 
yellow brass lacquered medium bell Paxman 23 that just felt _right_ 
y'know?

I took it to my teacher (a pro who's name is familiar to most people on 
this list) to give me his opinion (he liked it). He plays a gold brass 
unlacquered Schmid.

I listened to him playing first one horn and then the other, and he 
sounded exactly the same on both of them. I was surprised, but at least 
now I know my ears weren't playing tricks on me.

So, when I sound like crap, I can honestly take full credit for the 
accomplishment.
:o)

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Re: [Hornlist] Horn celebrities?

[Tom Warner]

On 12 Jan 2004, at 8:35 pm, Klaus Bjerre wrote:

Somehow these mistakes were carefully planned for.
Just about everything is carefully planned in a movie.

Whether or not it has any relation to reality is a another matter. The 
way they were portrayed handling their instruments is not a reflection 
of real life behavior.

Why did they do that in the movie? You'd have to ask the director. 
Maybe he thought a bunch of black cases was visually boring.

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Re: [Hornlist] Horn celebrities?

[Tom Warner]

On 12 Jan 2004, at 6:38 pm, Leigh Alexander wrote:

I was amazed at the number of players who carried their instruments 
(on the bus, down the street) around without a case!
Movies eh? What can ya do.

There were embarrassing mistakes like that through out the film. Still 
an enjoyable film though.

The Brass Band mailing list talked about it for some time.

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Re: [Hornlist] Horn celebrities?

[Tom Warner]

On 12 Jan 2004, at 5:56 pm, Mark Louttit wrote:

Strother Martin a well known American character actor in the 50's, 
60's and
early 70's played the horn at one time. His lack of success with the
instrument, according to an interview that I remember reading at one 
time
(sorry to be so anecdotal) led him to become an actor.
Has anyone mentioned Debbie Reynolds?

I remember a picture of her in Life magazine 'relaxing' while playing 
her horn.

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Re: [Hornlist] Horn celebrities?

[Tom Warner]

On 12 Jan 2004, at 1:34 pm, Walter Lewis wrote:

I saw Ewan McGregor in a British Film entitled "Brassed Off" where his 
character plays Alto (or Mellophone) in a British Style Brass Band. 
Some very good music in the film and a good story. Check it out if 
you've not seen it. I have seen it on the Independent Film Channel. I 
have not looked to see if it's available on DVD or VHS.
Tenor horn please...;-) And it wasn't a British 'style' brass band it 
was an actual British Brass Band. ;-)

The story was (_very_ loosely) based on a true story of Grimethorpe 
Colliery Band who also provided the sound track.

The main parts of the story that are true are; that the collieries were 
being shut down, the band was possibly facing it's end, and they did 
win the National Championship.

They're still going strong though:



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Re: [Hornlist] Mini-balls do not apply even torque (Proof included)

[Tom Warner]

On 6 Dec 2003, at 11:14 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Schmid doesn't need marketing. That's solid physics for you and I can 
prove
it. Now a mechanical linkage or string produces torque on the valve. 
Torque is
the following equation:
You need to get out more.

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Re: [Hornlist] Making Titanium Valves?

[Tom Warner]

On 6 Dec 2003, at 7:40 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I don't quite follow how mechanically it could be. When strings are 
used the
force is always in the same direction. For mini-balls how could the 
force be
as equally dispersed?

Schmid has a great article on this:
Yeah, I've read it. The memory of it makes me smile everytime I wiggle 
my wonderfully fast, light, direct mini-ball operated titanium valves.

You have to hand it to Englebert; not only does he make good horns, 
he's also a top marketeer.

Stick to your strings brother ;o)

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Re: [Hornlist] Making Titanium Valves?

[Tom Warner]

On 6 Dec 2003, at 3:02 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Interesting. However the mechanical linkages... to me they would 
appear to
slow down the valve no matter what the valve was made of...
Experience says no. Absolutely not. Modern mini-ball linkage is fast, 
silent and very direct. I hope I never see another string.
I was talking about machining valves for existing horns... I think it 
can be
done even without changing the rotor plates, etc.
One would think so. I didn't get the reasons but, when I asked at 
Paxman if they would retro-fit Ti valves I was told they weren't able 
to do this.
As to carbon-fiber valves, it's an interesting theorey but sometimes 
you need
the inertia in a valve. I wouldn't want them to be too light.
What theory? Be empirical. Try a Finke and find out.

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Re: [Hornlist] Making Titanium Valves?

[Tom Warner]

On 5 Dec 2003, at 10:00 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Plus what about making them from Aluminum? That's a much lighter 
weight but I
have no idea how that would hold up as far as a valve is concerned.
Looking for light weight valves? Talk to Finke.

It'd be interesting to compare the weight of his polymer carbon 
rotor/stainless steel shaft with a Paxman titanium.



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Re: [Hornlist] HORN RELATED!

[Tom Warner]

On 26 Nov, 2003, at 2:39 pm, Dan Phillips wrote:
re the Paxman 23
a couple of the valve slides already had green crud deposits. The 
second valve appeared to be misaligned and created a distinct timbre 
change.
Those effect an individual horn, not the design, but these are 
interesting:

 Additionally, the horn was quite heavy,
My yellow medium bell 23 weighs almost exactly 5 lbs on my kitchen 
scale.

On Engelbert Schmid's website, his famously light double horn weighs 
4.5 lbs

Can we please have some other horn weights for comparison?

It might not be a fascinating subject but it's mildly interesting 8-)

and the valve lever travel is greater than almost any other horn I've 
played.
I measured the outermost tip of my valve lever travel at 12mm (same as 
the bore, is that significant or coincidental?)

Anyone else?

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Re: [Hornlist] (OT) Sound transfer in materials

[Tom Warner]

On 18 Nov, 2003, at 6:27 pm, corenfa wrote:

So who will make the first glass horn then?
There is a crystal trumpet bell available.

A crystal flare should certainly be doable.

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Re: [Hornlist] Faculty Entertainment (Great Story) *correction*

[Tom Warner]

On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 03:55 AM, Mark Louttit wrote:

How would you feel
if you had a bad performance and it became a joke tape to pass around ?
A few years ago I found a couple of these on the internet.

There are probably quite a few out there now.

It's a dangerous world...

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Re: [Hornlist] Tuckwell "C"

[Tom Warner]

On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 04:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

IS IT ANY WONDER WHY HORN PLAYERS GET PARANOID?
I keep having bad dreams about being chased around by capital letters, 
multiple exclamation points and question marks...
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Inquiry on another topic

[Tom Warner]

On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 06:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In case you haven't noticed the change over the years, good Americans 
have learned to note cultural differences, not racial differences.  
Here, South of LA, it couldn't be more obvious. Just walk around the 
fashion malls.  The crowds appear to be international, all sizes, 
shapes, and colors.  The stores clearly cater to cultural differences, 
not racial differences.  The shoppers all get along,
Because they *know* there's a gun in the other persons bag.

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Re: [Hornlist] NHR Joe Theisman genius, etc.

[Tom Warner]

On Thursday, October 23, 2003, at 10:03 PM, Steven Ovitsky wrote:

Joe Theisman doesn't have the corner on the stupid comments market.  
Here
are some more great lines attributed to politicians, "entertainers" and
other sports celebs.  These have been around a while but are still 
funny.

Cheers,
Steven Ovitsky


"Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the 
world, I
can't help but cry.  I mean, I'd love to be skinny like that, but not 
with
all those flies and death and stuff."
--Mariah Carey

Unfortunately, this one isn't true. It was originally part of a made up 
spoof 'interview' with Mariah. Funny though.

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Re: [Hornlist] Throwin' the high heat (NHR)

[Tom Warner]

On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 09:42 PM, Timothy A. Johnson wrote:

Well, a bit, though in baseball you don't stop for tea, and usually 
events
occur in less time than an elephant's gestation period.
Absolutely true. And it _still_ manages to be just as boring.

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Re: [Hornlist] Mahler 5

[Tom Warner]

On Sunday, September 21, 2003, at 02:47 PM, John Putnam wrote:

Or you could try rubbing your lips with sand-paper. this is what my 
guitar playing
friends do to help them.
LOL... You owe me a screen cleaner ;o)

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Re: [Hornlist] Joshua Johnson Freshman horn thesis 2002

[Tom Warner]

On Friday, September 19, 2003, at 05:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Engelbert Schmid



He is one of the few builders not to use tuning
slides.
A slip of the fingers perhaps?



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[Hornlist] Paxman Posters

[Tom Warner]

Many of us have experienced the utter dismay and the soul shattering 
disappointment of discovering that the Paxman posters are out of print 
and generally unavailable.

Take heart cohorts, there is a new poster.

I think it's the best ever; probably because it's a picture of my loved 
one but, perhaps one or two of you lot will enjoy it too.

Get'em while they're hot. They're cheap but, it's one to a customer.



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[Hornlist] Pittsburgh at the Proms

[Tom Warner]

They were live on the BBC playing at the Royal Albert Hall.

They said it was the stick wavers farewell concert.

I came in during a chat with one of the woodwind players (talking about 
the tour). She was saying:

"...the winds and the brass players know; we just can't get sick. 
There's no one to replace us. The strings... well, they usually go down 
one at a time and nobody misses them."

They played that Mahler's 1st thingie. Eight horns. Quite a variety of 
equipment. It could've been a gear junkies banquet but, when the camera 
went to the horns, my old eyes would just about focus and the scene 
would switch to another section.

I think they were mostly Geyer wraps, maybe a Kruspe or two and one 
that looked like a trumpet valve Schmidt

If any of you knowledgeable folk know what they play, I'd like to know.

Jolly good band. I was surprised at the amount of uh, 'showmanship'. 
Horns standing and waving their instruments about, woodwinds playing to 
the rafters etc., but I enjoyed the playing thoroughly.

Each of the sections took applause at the end and the horns got by far 
the largest ovation.

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Re: [Hornlist] ALL HAIL ENGELBERT!

[Tom Warner]

On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 06:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Weight. They are SO lightweight. Compare one to a Paxman or a Conn.
They're almost half as the weight.


A Schmid full double weighs about 8oz less than a Paxman 23 (about the 
same as a Schmid with a stopping valve.)

And as far as 'perfect intonation' goes... well, not when _I_ play 'em 
mate. ;-)

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Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe Horner

[Tom Warner]

On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:58 AM, Paul S. LaFollette wrote:

I've heard rumors of very high ($8000.00 to $10,000.00) prices being 
paid for these instruments in Japan, and wanted to know if there was 
any interest out there and what the best way to sell the horn would 
be. I had it on Hornplayer.net for a while, but it seemed to garner 
little interest.
I don't know how it compares to yours but, there's been a Kruspe Horner 
available at Paxman for some time now. The price is approx $4,000US.

There's a picture on the website. 

Then go> horn centre> second hand horns> collectors horns.

HTH
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Re: [Hornlist] Clebsch strap

[Tom Warner]

On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 10:21 PM, kerri c davies wrote:

In the AFM newsletter this month, or last month, something, there was 
an
advertisment for the Clebsch strap. Does anyone have one? Do you have 
to
have the finger hook to install it? What do you think of it?
Kerri, before going through the expense and hassle of the Clebsch, I 
recommend you try a Paxman Loop.



Click on 'Horn Centre' and then 'Accesories and Mouthpieces'

It's much cheaper, no modification to the horn is necessary and I feel 
it puts the support in a better position. You can install it yourself 
in a couple of minutes, and if you don't like it, it comes off in 
seconds; no harm done.

The little picture on the website does it no favours, it's a 
brilliantly simple device.

Email me if you have any other questions.

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Re: [Hornlist] The end(NHR)

[Tom Warner]

On Saturday, July 5, 2003, at 04:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

By Norman Lebrecht, Evening Standard
2 July 2003
Not many music lovers were prepared to stay up till midnight to see
the perfect baritone Bryn Terfel duetting with the screeching 
ex-popster
Andrea Bocelli.
What the heck? As far as I know, Bocelli has never been a pop singer, 
and I thought the duet with Bryn Terfel was terrific.

Makes me wonder about the rest of the article.

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Re: [Hornlist] Drop, not drip

[Tom Warner]

On Saturday, June 14, 2003, at 05:53 PM, Matt Menger wrote:

I've got this cool little bottle of Parvo valve oil that has a little 
plastic tube on it that about 2" long.  It reaches all the way down to 
the valve, so I don't have to worry about getting any slide gunk in 
there.
I discovered that the plastic tube from a can of WD 40 fit snuggly into 
the top of an old Paxman oil bottle so I can drip the oil directly on 
the rotor. Made my day that did...

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Re: [Hornlist] Horn Club

[Tom Warner]

On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 03:42 AM, Russ Smiley wrote:

Hey, Bill, that looks just like my horn on your website (well almost). 
 Is
that custom modification so that every one in your club can play the 
same
horn simultaneously?
I think it's one of those new MerkerSpasMatics made by Hold-on.

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Re: [Hornlist] NHR: war-related "polls"

[Tom Warner]

On Thursday, February 13, 2003, at 12:39 AM, Bill Gross wrote:


In spite of Han's wild
speculation of some evil cabal of Big Business,


President Eisenhower seemed to think it real enough to warn us about it 
in 1961:

 "This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large 
arms   industry is new in the American experience.  The total influence 
--   economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, 
every   State house, every office of the Federal government.  We 
recognize the   imperative need for this development.  Yet we must not 
fail to   comprehend its grave implications.  Our toil, resources and 
livelihood   are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

  In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition 
of   unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the 
militaryindustrialcomplex.  The potential for the disastrous rise 
of misplaced   power exists and will persist.

  We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our 
liberties   or democratic processes.  We should take nothing for 
granted.  Only an   alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the 
proper meshing of the   huge industrial and military machinery of 
defense with our peaceful   methods and goals, so that security and 
liberty may prosper together."



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Re: [Hornlist] The Pewsey French Horn

[Tom Warner]

On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 12:25 AM, David Goldberg wrote:


Why would there be a restaurant in Pewsey, Wiltshire, England - named:

			The French Horn?

Anyone we know?

Well, check out   http://www.french-horn-pewsey.co.uk/


You could send them an email and ask about the name.

There are many strange pub/restaurant names in the UK

Here are a few:


All the best,
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Re: [Hornlist] very warm in Iowa

[Tom Warner]

On Saturday, January 11, 2003, at 09:02 AM, Bill Gross wrote:


this thread reminds me what Mark Twain said about the weather.


My personal favorite (about weather) attributed to Mr Clemens:

"The coldest winter I ever saw was the summer I spent in San Francisco."

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Re: [Hornlist] very warm in Iowa

[Tom Warner]

On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 12:21 AM, David Goldberg wrote:


-40 Celsius sounds pretty cold, but what is that in Fahrenheit?


Ah yes the interesting fact...

Still surprising how many people don't know the answer. Didn't Arthur C 
Clark write a short story about it?

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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Valves

[Tom Warner]

On Thursday, November 28, 2002, at 04:28  pm, Bill Gross wrote:


I wonder if the Brits still talk about "stones?"


Definately. But one strange thing is that you can buy a 4 x 8 foot
sheet of 7 millimetre plywood...

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