[Hornlist] Mouthpiece placement
Good day all, I lamented on the dereliction on the part of 'music' teachers several months ago. These people have not served their students at all. If they don't have the time to help students with basic instrumental skills, they could reach out to competent members of local community orchestras and bands for volunteer help. Herb Mazer was laid to rest Tues, 4 Aug. Herb performed with the Coachella Valley Symphony (Palm Springs area). Horn section members played a selection from Brahms no.1. Unfortunately the U.S.Navy detail showed up to render honors without a competent bugler. They utilized an electronic doohickey and had a Machinist Mate pretend to play a bugle. A professional musician volunteered to play Taps but was told off by the ABIC(arrogant bastard in charge). Most of the people attending were musicians, and were disgusted with the amateurism. Enough of my negativity. I was contemplating buying an F/G bugle and relearning basic calls and then volunteering at the local Veterans Cemetery. I will do so now. Bill _ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Brass safety
I hope that the manufacturers of mouthpieces take into consideration the health and welfare of their employees. The microscoptic aerosol bits that result from cutting turniing grinding and polishing are a health hazard to the workers making the mouthpiece and others around them. There are other metals that are as dangerous when inhaled. And dust masks, annoyingly referred to as "respirators", are virtually useless for protection. The Romans were aware of the inherent danger of lead way back when, though they tended to ignore it. Contemporary manufactorers should take a pro-active approach to employee and end user safety. Would you let your child or pet eat paint chips? William of Wildomar _ Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Idle minds
An idle mind is the devil's workshop. Isn't about time that Kenny Betts got a real day job? Perhaps if he was gainfully employed we would be spared the April Fools Day pranks etc. Prof. G. must be appalled at his former student's gratuitous lack of dignity. Have a good day. Bill _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Recording debate
Good afternoon, Last weeks' recording discussion quickly turned into a wrangle and a primer on recording studio techniques. I think Kendall was decrying the none too subtle affect that the recording industry was/is having on individualism of tone production and musical interpretation by musicians and orchestras. Several years ago during a rehearsal with cast of a production the 'King and I', the conductor was informed that all tempi were to follow exactly the tempi on the VHS recording. The recorded template was the director and conductors' objective. The cast had to follow suit also. I don't know if this approach is prevalent in schools and horn studios, I hope not. But relying on digital recordings as objects of perfection will stifle intellectual and musical curiosity. On another note, I bought a used Pizka mouthpiece last week. My mistakes clams and bleeeahs are much better sounding now. Thanks Hans Carpe Kopprash _ Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] KMZT
Did anybody on the list listen to the Los Angeles Chamber Orchestra performing Beethoven Symphony 7 Sunday evening of KMZT FM (KMozart)? This was one of the most disappointing performances of the seventh that I've ever heard. Articulations and tempos where not what I remember from when I have performed it and some of the intonations were 'iffy'. Maybe the musicians were reacting to a lack luster direction from "maestro" Kahane, I think was his name. Was this something new in the world of music or am I an elitist SOB? _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] horn position
Why not practice while standing? Then the chair height won't make any difference. (Some) folks that play and practice while seated, horn on knee, have a tendency to face the bell of the horn toward their bellies, deadening their hone tone. Practicing while standing will develop proper posture for horn playing. If the horn is to heavy for the inevitable whiners, lift weights to develop strength or the piccolo. Bill _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Chinese Brass
Mr. Weiner makes a good point. I doubt that the manager of the Han Brass Works thought that after watching re-runs of Baywatch he could hoodwink gullible Westerners with crappy copies of brass musical instruments. I have private students playing on these junk horns supplied by indifferent importers and cheap school administrators. These are not "student horns". They are junk and fit for wall ornaments or target practice. This includes the Conn 6D. I imagine that the Chinese could reverse engineer a working horn, trumpet and so on. What would be their impetus? These people are not ignorant. I doubt that an intelligent businessman would risk sustainable profits on a whim. Some Westerner bankrolled these operations and are exporting these instruments to the west. Bill _ Get Free (PRODUCT) RED™ Emoticons, Winks and Display Pics. http://joinred.spaces.live.com?ocid=TXT_HMTG_prodredemoticons_052008___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Performance anxiety
Has anyone paid any attention to the last Tour de France and the drug scandals prior to during and after? Do we want the same scrutiny and humiliation (druf testing etc.)? I don't. Yet someone suggested using a beta blocker to control perfomance anxiety. The drug suggested for experimentation isn't licensed for helping folks with panic attacks. Sooner or later some governing body will discover a "problem" and draconian scrutiny and onerous drug tests will fall on us like the sports community now endures. These irresponsible suggestions for drug use should be reputiated by all responsible muscians. I don't want to have to depend on a drug dependent colleage that can't control his/her nerves. And let's keep the 'big brother" out of our concerts. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Air travel rules
The rumor for the new rules for air travel that I am promulgating are as follows: 1. No luggage what so ever. 2. No clothes. 3. No metal internally or externally. 4. Nothing carried on to aircraft. 5. Anyone that complains will be subject to body cavity search. 6. If this is a problem for you, remember that a small minority, .01 per cent, have caused this disruption in air travel and your ninny government has reacted like a bunch of lemmings in search of a cliff. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] W.Melton advice.
Yes, Mr. Melton. Juvenile and peevish replies by adults on the list are not appreciated by the readers. Perhaps the gentleman in question should be remanded to kindergarten for rehab on manners and courtesy. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Confusing.........
I'm confused, didn't the Jewish people speak Araimic after leaving the Babalonians into and much later after the Diaspora? The modern Hebrew language and alphabet is different than Araimic, see the Dead Sea Scrolls. Araimic was used by the Babalonians and after 900BC was the commercial lingu franca later supplanted by Greek and Latin. And Araimic was the precursor to several other modern Southwestern Med. languages. As Latin became French, Spanish Italian etc. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] BB's suggestion
Bill Bamberg has made a very good suggestion. I would pay to have a very good tech teach me service my horn. $20.00 is cheap price for a well structured course with a low teacher/student ratio. A slide show won't do. The student should have a list of tools to be bought for the course and brought with them. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] PPPPP-FFFFF
Perhaps the composers are guilty of hubris and hyperbole? Or common sence. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Clarification
Oops. The genleman withe three horns would switch from one to the other on the same piece of music. Each horn had a different mouthpiece. Mea culpa. I shall try to be more careful in future. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Multiple mouthpieces
I use just two. An M1 Stork with my 801 Hoyer and an M1 Stork with my descant Hoyer. :) Much has been written about staying with just one best mouthpiece. The most dogmatic and hectoring about this was the late Claude Gordon. Phil Farkas was also an adherent. Brassy Jim, the pricipal horn with x orchestra came to a rehearsal after a 4 hour gig playing tuba. He sounded like a goose with a severe upper respiratory infection. Another principal had an E. Schmid double, triple and an 8d that he played equally badly. Another halfwit played all high parts on a flugel horn. The joy of amateur orchestras. I have been told that I MUST use a shallow cup narrow orifice mouthpiece with the descant. When I ask, "What should I therefore use if I buy a triple?". The answere is still "blowing in the wind". Lunch beckons. Aloha --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Metrognome
Is he the short conductor that keeps the train on time? --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Perfect Pitch
I've enjoyed and have learned much with the perfect pitch dialogue. I do have a few questions. 1. Is perfect pitch learned or is it genetic? 2. How do cultural differences ie., Yaqui Indian, Western music educated, Chinese opera traditions, affect perceived perfect pitch? I have been exposed to these and several other indigenous music concepts. What those from Western music traditions may perceive as "wrong" is "right" to some other ethnic group. I imagine that the ideal/idea of perfect pitch might also change across cutural lines. Hans has said several times that music parallels language. This might affect tonal systems, scales and pitch. This discussion is probably worthy of a doctoral paper, I just thought that some of the more learned could elaborate a bit. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Dummers
Little Johnny: "Grandma, Grandma, when I grow up I'm going to be a drummer". Grandmother: "Now now Little Johnny, you know you can't do both". --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Ears still ringing:-(
NINE horns, wow. If you're a temp., you have to grin and bear it. How ever, make the orchestra pay for the Etymotic ear plugs. If enough temps require this extra payment, maybe the admin will put the horns trumps and tromboons where they belong, to the left of the horns, and the dummers waaayy to the right of the horns. When the dummers in our orchestra started to encroach in the area behind the horns, making noise talking dropping things etc, I called the conductor and threatened to bring my large mean dog to rehearsals and tie her up behind the horn section to rid the horns of the encroachment. Next rehearsal the dummers were back where they belonged. I did get some strange looks and one of the.dummers quit. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Thank you
During the bell thread lubrication dialogue and unpleasentness, somebody described a liquid parafin lube for bicycle chains. Thank you for the idea. My sliding glass doors were stricking and no lube would resolve the problem. I bought the parafin lube, cleaned the tracks and applied the parafin as directed. Voila!! C'est incredible. Merci. I know this isn't horn related, but the cross germination problem solving is as good as any reason to subscribe to the list. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Con Duck Tours
This is an amusing thread. To bad it's not fiction. I've had two drunks that liked more than a wee nip before perforemances. One is deceased and the other back to grade school beginning band. Another thought that the start up orchestra could play anything. We couldn't and he should have known better. No 2nd 3rd and 4th horn, no english horn, no 2d trumpet etc. We later had a "lady" that refused to answer questions. "Am I over powering the oboe in the duet", answer, "What do you think?" My answer to this was, "It is your job to conduct, not mine. Please answer the question." She also liked use body movements to suggest how to phrase. ?whooray to Farkas and Clevenger for cutting through the obfuscation. Her downbeats were rarely doun and sometime nonexsistent. Then there is Bob Gilson, conductor of the Palomar Symphony Orchaestra. The principal clar tolf the new bassoonist not to watch the conductor as he will confuse you. All tempos at rehearsal were ignored and new ones for performance. 2 1/2 hour rehearsal 1 hour of Bobs mouth. Cues given during rehearsal and promised for performance never materialize.sp? I was always cheered after rehearsal to observe the abused and angry musicans kick Bobs ratty old Volvo. Tony Ginter, James Guthry, Briam Aldehef sp?, Mr. Byam, and several other outstanding conductors whose names I've forgotten including a Chinese gentleman who returned to China and Beijing Symphony were real pleasure to perform with. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Pristine
Walmart isn't a crazy shop, whatever that means. The heirs to Walmart founder are some of the richest people on earth. If you would like a Walmart in your neighborhood, you can have the Walmart in Lake Elsinore, CA. Ask your local council or MP to trade a fish-n-chip or curry take-out to replace our hyper+value eye sore. When you ask the horn list for a simple answer, please be patient. There is no such thing. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Natural horn------Mara
Natural horn studies used to be de rigeur for hornists, so it should help your over all technique. I don't speak from experience, others that were lucky enough in there early teachers should provide us with the insight you seek. Let's hope that all of Maras interlocutors aren't dealt with in such a contemptible manner. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Transposing quickie
To those that thought Hans was being a meany or rude. He wasn't. Hand feeding information to people doesn't help their growth or education. Remember the od saw? Give a man a fish and fed him for one day. Teach him to fish and feed him forever. Telling Erin to check into the Farkas or O.Franz books would have fulfilled her quest and provided a much more reliable and continuous source of information than the internet. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Endurance
Nobody has commented on posture yet. Are you stiff and tense, laidback and casual, or carefully poised and attentive. Many times the hornists outward appearance reflects their inward attitude. Hans has addressed attitude. An incorrect atitude can have a detrimental affect on your posture, deminishing your endurance. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Mozart and horn with band
My 1995/96 Ulrich Kobl, Katalog Horn, has several band and horn scores. This is an outdate catalog, priced in DM etc. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Things on horn
A "Pink Panther" rubber toy! --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Good F horns.
Mr. Mumford asks a good question. The lack of good, or, even more precise; Why the lack of quality, professional grade F horns. The Brasswinds catalogue lists many "student" model F horns, yet no Pro F horns. They may also sell the 3/4 wrap kiddee horns, excellent for marching band, god forbid, I pitched the catalogue? A reasonably priced, around $2,ooo.oo, pro grade F horn would a reasonable investment for a students first horn. If not damaged and maintained properly, the resale could help finance the purchase of a pro double when the student needs to move on. Notice I said, needs. Today and tomorrow, our orchestra is performing Tchaikowskis fiddle concerto, Finlandia and other less exciting pieces. The horn parts could easily be performed on F horns. If real quality, well slotted intervals, unstuffy F horns were available the need for expensive doubles could avoided. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Transposing, et al
A hornist acquaintance couldn't get respect from the staff at the several colleges and university where her student matriculated until she got her PHD. Another hornist, couldn't get respect from the blues clubs because he played the horn. He played blues very well in my "humble" opinion. Most of his blues contemporaries couldn't read music and wouldn't know solfege if it was served at the BBQ house. There are many country and western, folk, blues and jazz performers that can't read music, yet consider themselves musicians. You see, they are actually making a living playing music. I would imagine that the international folk music community would be apalled at the last few days dialogue didn't include them as musicians. Snobbishness and bigotry will divide us, preventing learning and a musical dialogue. I've seen this attitude in the med/dental field, in the military, etc. The "my dog is better than your dog" attitude won't help the kid from the wrong geographic area read Mozart, Brahms, Wagner et al, unless he is provided with music he can read. Congratulations to those of you who had great schools, thoughtful parents or just good luck in your musical training. I envy you. My liberal parents thought that private teachers and music conservatories were elitist. I can transpose through my own efforts, there were no requirements for this skill in band music. Some of the comments on the list were I would expect from those that can't empathise with others from wildly varying socio-economic conditions. BTW T he lady PHD. passed on several years ago at the age of 50. She was a marvleous performer and much loved teacher. Her interpretation of Strauss #1 was especially intriguing. She performed as a binary dialogue between the Hero(Daddy) and his Wife(Mommy). A very musical dialogue was heard by those that attended the prformance. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Curious pricing
This thread has exposed the raw feelings and misunderstanding of music education or the lack thereof. The US does not have a national education system. Our education "system" is locally funded and supervised. Musical education is at the whim of elected school boards. The quality of musical education is therefore a geographic crap shoot. If ones parents are able and willing to pay for private lessons, all is not necessarily well and good. The quality of instrumental teachers can vary wildly. Again, the students education is impacted by conditions beyond their control Transposing! A short story. A young oboist in the local high school band was required to play a bell front F marching horn. She was annoyed to discover that the notes she was playing sounded lower than read. Her remarks, "Who dreamed up this stupid system!", while funny begs the next question. Why continue this nonesence? Republish every thing horn in F or C. In one clef. The key notations aren't all that irritating either. No more excuses from the hornists about transposing. Save the the original charts for reforance or performance on antique instruments. A British hornist proposed this several years ago, to no effect. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Another "Clam"
Perhaps "Chatty" Cathys' professor was having a senior moment, brain fart, or a neural neutering? The good professor was giving his students areal world example of what not to do. You rock Professor! May the force of Clamsaa be your light. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] The real meaning of Clamsaa
Whilst dining and imbibing (Lone Star beer, Thunderbird wine, pickled eggs and 3 kinds of kim chee) with friends during New Clamsaa Day, the real meaning of Clamsaa became bone of contention between the Sachbutts and Posaunes. After the melee had been cleared by the police and ambulance staff, the more refined and unarmed celebrants quickly realized the true meaning of Clamsaa resided in the wisdom of the light weight pamphlet, The Theory of Trickle Down Clamsaanomickx. Some saxophonics honked at this but were out voted. The High Holy Day of Clamsaa is celebrated on April 15 (US only). En Hoyer Veritas --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] "False notes"
Mr. Bamberg tells us of his son's ability to play all the notes between the first and second intervals or partials or your favorite label. Claude Gordon and Jimmy Stamp taught the use and playability of this area to their students. See Mr. Gordons "Systematic Approach" and "Velocity Studies". Perhaps if the horn community would bury its parochialism and investigate other brass pedigoguies for new insight into brass skills and teaching concepts, playing a low E on an F horn would have been easy to do. I was taught this technique by my teacher, a Gordon student. It's not easy, but doable. Lucky me, I also had to accomplish this on the appropriate area of the Bb horn also. I know some will say, "Why learn an unneccesary skill, as we have double horns?". Why not? Can we ever learn to much? Query. Is a "false note" well played a "false note". I've seen this term used for 7th and 11th interval applications. When is a note false? Who dreams up our terminology? Maybe Prof I.M.G. has a disfunctional answer. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] PREposterous double rant
The PREposterous double rant on pre not unintentional --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Music metaphor
If you like being annoyed, how about: Pre-recorded any thing. The "pre" is redundant. Metal woods in golf jargon. ?? This is cheerfully stupid 22 gauge rifle or even dumber, a .12 shotgun. And on a Chinese channel, a 45mm pistol. "We'll keep an eye out for." Deja vu all over again. This is part of a quote by Yogi Berra, famously inarticulate baseball coach. TV "jounalists" use the phrase to appear articulate without realising the source. Using pre redundantly..prewashed, prepackaged, prerecorded, preheated ad nauseum. If Mr. Cole starts ranting at his TV, he'll be in good company. My wife has ceased reminding me that the idiots can't hear me. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] "Will the........"
Somebody asked, "Will the day come when our music stand is a flat screen computer?". The answer is, yes. The Woodwind and Brasswind folks sell a system call the Freehand Music Pad. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Surgical embouchure
Hans has a great idea, surgical embouchure implants. Why not neural implants to enhabce intonation, rhythm, timing and other abstract conceptions? We hornists with these enhancements could then concentrate on careerism, backstabbing, arrogance and conductor baiting. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: anticipating afterbeats
Loren Mayhews responce needs to be archived in perpetuity for every hornist. Conductors and stage personnel will listen to a reasonable solution after a botched perfomance due to improper stage setup. For armed with Lorens' explanation and ameniable staff, proper horn balance should be resolved. The conductor of local orchestra placed the horns on third risers 40+ feet from reciprocating wall in the nave of a church. The resulting cacaphony was ludicrous. After the peerformance he confronted the horns wanting to know "what's your problem". He didn't like the answer, but horn placement and sound reflectors have been utilzed ever since. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn repair/awful advice
Bravo Mr. Osmun. Your reply and admonishment to Mr. Bamburg is spot on. I don't do complicated work on my horn for the same reason that I don't work on the brakes on my car and piickup truck. I want these items to work every time I use them. No excuses and no amateur mistakes by me on things that I really rely on. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: broken horn
Take the horn to a Con(n) dealer, preferably the one you bought the horn from, and have them fix it. A reputable dealer will fix their lemons for free. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re Rushing headaches
Hans is probably right about the ladies problem resulting from technique. I wouldn't rule out underlying organic problems either. Cerebral-vascular hypertension should be addressed by an MD. The technique problem should be addressed by a competent horn teacher. Glibly diagnosing physical, societal, technique and philosphical issues and the basis of one paragraph querie by a lister is a bit much, Hans. A little bit more humilty on your part would make your philosophy more palatible. If I wanted preaching, I wouldn't subscribe to the horn list. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] LB becareful
Drats, say it isn't so. I was hoping my 20 years as a dental technition/drone would have qualified me to become a horn repair tech. The hours sounded ideal. And the alcohol debauchery would not alienate my standing with trolls, 2nd bassoonists, violist', and country and western freinds. It appears that horn repairers and builders are the paragons of virtue that we had been enthralled with from at least last Wednesday. Beethovens 9th horn parts and players were addressed in the Horn Call several years ago. The date eludes me and since the magazines are 100 miles away, I can't be more helpful with details. It is unfortunate that 4th hornists have their main solo taken from them to appease reviewers, nervous conductors, or grandstanding pricipals. I have had to play 2nd, 3rd, and 4th horn solos for the above players because the couldn't/wouldn't play their parts. [Community orchestras.] I had assumed that professional orchestras had higher performance standards for their horn sections. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Teaching horn
How I wish that I had the opportunity to study horn as described by Hans. 1960, at 14 years old, I put aside my accursed trumpet and started on horn. I was assigned a miserable King single F, given a fingering chart, and that comprised my sole lesson on horn. Some of my fellow high school hornists assisted/hindered my studies. My liberal and cheap parents considered private lessons elitist (also college). The high school wanted their lousy horn back after I graduated. I was able to sound like a horn player. My first ten years were lived in Chicago/Elmhurst, Ill. Our radio was constantly tuned to classical music stations. I got to hear a lot of the Chicago Symphony, Grant Park group?, and other local and national orchestras. The horn playing was always exciting to me and memorable. I tried emulate what I had heard then and later Mason Jones with the Philidelphia Orchestra. When I look bach at some of the old photos of the horn sections, it is evedent tthat not all of the hornists had double horns. Anyway, it's that sound, with its pallete of colors that I still try address in my playing today. When I got a cd player and added European orchestras and soloists ro my collection, wow new ways to play the horn. So many variations betweeen the many countries. So many great hornists to learn from. My point is, I can't describe the typical F horn sound, there aren't enough adjectives and adverbs to be helpful, but I know the sound when I hear it. A hornist with a bad sound, sounds bad. There is no quantification for ineptitude. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horn tone color
When did the characteristic F horn color become optional. Hans was right, the F horn tone through out its range is what we are after. The tone color will vary with the piece of music being played, ie., Ravels' Pavanne require a more delicate and wistful interpretation than the bold and masculine hunting horn motif of Wagner. The other instruments in the orchestra are required to change their tone color to fit the piece of music played. Strings utilize different bowing techniques; brass, embouchure and mutes, etc. Horns are not immune from these requirements. All to ofte, I hear hornists say that we all have individual tone qualities and what you hear is what you get. How selfish. We need to.blend in as a section, as part of the brass ensemble, the woodwinds and accompaniasts with the strings. One tone color won't due. Woodwind and brass quintet playing require another approach to balance and tone color too. All this demands that we learn to Listen. Listen to ourselves, each other in the section, and to the whole group. Ask ourselves, "what can I do to improve my sound, section sound, and oveall sound." Be generous with self critisism. If you're not part of the solution, you are the problem. Teachers can utilize CD's and live performances to their students achieve a mental picture, an aural memory of what a horn typically sounds like. Various digital reproduction devices can help students achieve that self awareness to learn to listen to themselves critically. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Dbl tonguing
If we were strings, the solution to dbl tonguing and trp tonguing would be obvious. One doesn't just up bow or down bow, one practices bowing in both directions. If we were taught as beginers to tongue both ways, ie: tuh and kuh, dbl and trp tonguing would be easy. A simple exersise Using any horn scale study, tongue with tuh articulation and then with kuh articulation. When a listener can't observe a difference, commence dbl and trp tonguing lessons. It's not easy and I hated doing it, but learning to dbl, trp tonguing and trilling were relatively easy as I learned the requisite tongue techniquites. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Officer and a Gentleman
Cabbage..Sometimes you go to far. A gentleman does not use a nom de plume to issue insults. --wabotte USN Ret. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn conductors
How about Elliot Higgins, Albequerque Symphony. He also operates asummer music camp. Then there is Richter, conductor for several Wagnerian operas. And, a gentleman whose name I can't remember, conducted/directed the US Marine Corp Band, retired several years ago. Re: Outstanding sections. The viola section, yes, the viola section of the Palomar Symphony Orchestra. During the '90s these four gentleman were an outstanding, always there, and always right on sectionfor.the symphony. And under appreciated. As usual Bill --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Whispering
Larry Jellison wrote that his horn section whispered together while the conductor berated some other section. Herr Pizka has it right. Always, as a general rule, pay attention to what the conductor is saying. 99% of the time, what ever the conductor is harping about will land on your lap. Conductors don't like to repeat themselves. Save yourself and your section potential grief by belaying the chatter. In re. General rule. If the conductor is being abusive, consider the source of his annoyance, play your part right, get rid of the nasty conductor or find some other group ro perform with. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Counting Darwin Method
Counting measures, The Darwinian Contract.
Lose your place, lose a chance to breed {succesefully}. Lose enough
chance to breed successefully and eventually eliminate yourself and your
hypotheticaly mathmaticaly challenged progeny from the gene pool.
--wabotte
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[Hornlist] Conductors
The past 15 years, I've been pleased and/or plagued with excellent and less than excellent conductors. The excellent conductors were niether timid or tyranical. They were universaly clear in direction and consistent with cues and tempi. No surprises. No tantrums. No compromises. The plagues were incompetent time wasters, ill prepared, inconsistent withe cues, tempi and beating patterns. There is nothing more terrifying than to look up at conductor twirling the baton in the air like a skylight. Or looking for the noexistent downbeat. WTF!!! Or the micromillimeter twitching of the right hand to indicate pianissimo. AAAGH. Communicate with troops in the back row, not just the octet semicircle within whispering distance. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Endurance
Endurance is gained by systematic and incremental practice. Systematic: Range, volume and dexterity. Incremental: Not expenontial. In other words, two min., four min., six min., etc. Not twomin., four min., eight min., sixteen min., etc. Practice something universaly useful. Scales, arpegios. velocity studies etc. Save etudes for lessons in musicality. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Marching
Let me enumirate the reasons I enjoy marching so much. 1. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Triple horns
The triple horn thread has been interesting. No one has adressed the advantages/drawbacks of the F Bb Eb triple or the Bb Eb double descant. I think Eng. Schmidt and Hans Hoyer build these horns. Batter up? --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Addinsell
Good day, A question to our British freinds. Is there a Web site or email address for the Richard S. Addinnsell Will Trust? Also an email address for Phillip Lane. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thank you. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: TTA
Ah, yes, Tree Top Airline. In the late '60s, the most terrifing flight of my then short life. A local radio station had a contest. 1st prize, One way flight anywhere on TTA routes. 2nd prize, Round trip anywhere on TTA routes. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Low range
Tokidoleg, Mr. Mansur has the best advice, get a real good teacher. If there are none in your locale, here are some suggestions. Keep the mouthpiece. Have your horn examined by a competent Horn repair expert. I had a new leadpipe installed on my 801 Hoyer. My low range volume increased dramatically. To improve tone quality, play along with D.Brain, D.Clevenger, A.Halstead et al on CD's. When someone in an adjoining room can't tell the difference between you and the CD, Voila! Again, it might not be you, maybe your horn. Don't do anything weird or drastic with your embouchore to improve your tone or range. A really good teacher is your best choice and worth the investment. Good luck, Don't give up. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Mozart vs JMHaydn
JM Haydn Romance for horn and strings dated Aug 30, 1795. JMH "borrowed" the horn melody almost totally, with some modifications. The arrangement has little or no relation to Mozarts 2nd movement K.477, 1783. See Diletto Musicale 832W.A.Mozart-J.M.HaydnRomance, As dur Fur horn und streichquartettWerner RainerDoblinger, Wein. Dr. Rainers preface wil resolve the chicken vs egg conundrum. Feel free to make a fool of yourself by substituting Mozarts original horn score vice Michael Haydns with the string quartet arrangement. Have fun, drive fast and take chances. WABotte. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
