[Hornlist] Attn; Steve Mumford please contact me offlist.
Hi Everyone. Sorry to clog up the list, but Steve Mumford, would you contact me off list. Walt Lewis lewho...@yahoo.com Thanks. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: wp...@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:21:12 To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Supervisor. Even though The Holton Horn Supervisor was working there in the late 70's, the problems he was finding apparently were nothing new. ? In my inexperienced youth and in the flush of a sudden increase in my teaching salary,?I?acquired a supposedly new H 179 in 1973 that was a mass of problems similar to the very ones he described being extant in his time there.? I had tried out a?horn, and it was a certain improvement over my,?ah, hem,?Josef Lidl (Yes, there really were reasonably sane appearing people out there who tried to play them), and then ordered it a few weeks later to be shipped.? (Duh !? I know)?The crooks at the?so called reputable music store in San Diego must have thought they had died and gone to heaven and unloaded on me what I later suspected may have been?a 1970 vintage?reject from their school music rentals program.?(They knew about my?Lidl, so probably?thought, he'll never notice, heh, heh.) Well, even if I didn't (denial), everyone else in the local groups did, including a conductor who was a personal friend of Mr Pascucci, and who was pissed that I had not ordered it through him (so he c ould get the commission?)?Live and Learn. Had to send it back to Holton LeBlanc, yet after two months and?their saying that they had made it right, it was still not right.? Several trips to shops over the next two decades and it was okay, but still not quite right.? Eventually got stopped using it after I found an old Elkhart 28 D, which today remains my main ax.?Perhaps Holton makes very good instruments these days, but I shall never know since as far as I am concerned the ten foot pole rule still applies.? Now, if Holton would like to give a new H 105, my feelings won't be so hurt. Irony, someone once said, is one of the higher forms of humor. ? PS: I still have the Lidl.?It is for me like the weights baseball players put on their bats when they warm up. ??Live and Learn, indeed. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Semi-HR
Probably the Principal horn, John... Walt Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR Healthcare in Europe
Carlberg, I couldn't agree more with you. The reason I remain on this list and not on the Yahoo list is Free Speech! Differing viewpoints are just what we need. Walt --Original Message-- From: carlbergjo...@prodigy.net.mx Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu To: h...@yahoogroups.com ReplyTo: carlbergjo...@prodigy.net.mx ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] NHR Healthcare in Europe Sent: Aug 19, 2009 1:54 PM At 6:01 AM -0400 8/19/09, Luke Zyla wrote: I really do not think we should discuss NHR topics on this list. No offence to Luke, but I think that anything that's interesting to us horn players goes a long way to being better players. Lots of times I gain insight from talking to folks who know nothing about whatever project I'm pondering; just a different viewpoint helps! So, please keep any NHR topics on the list. Thanks. Carlberg mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Health Care
But what if you develop say TMJ or a breathing disorder as one member who lurks this has, or even dealing with trying to play after suffering a stroke as another member on the list has. We can't look always through rosecolored glasses. We all will grow old and eventually our health will decline. I know that there are hornists in my area that don't have the luxury (at this time) of having health care bennies. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Robert Gibson Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Health Care Sent: Aug 20, 2009 2:12 PM This is a Horn Related site not a Health Care free for all!! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
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Re: [Hornlist]. Conductor's. Was Confusing transposition
Ah yes, Scott. To be young and still think that most conductors are infallable and that they are god... Sorry to burst your bubble, but I can tell stories and I don't play at the level that Hans and others on this forum have worked. I personally have worked under conductors that in some cases were totally clueless. Some of our colleagues on this list in the Metropolitan area where I reside (the name of the community shall remain nameless to protect the innocent, lol) know of a certain conductor that if you watched him, you were sure to get lost when he conducted a piece in three that really was in four. I am not joking! He also liked to play John Williams' music at a VERY slow tempo. I have said he couldn't conduct his way out of a paper bag. Now that my colleagues from my area are hopefully chuckling, I withdraw probably to be flamed. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: scott...@msn.com Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: FW: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post) Sent: Aug 17, 2009 4:15 PM Walt Lewis wrote: Won't that infuriate most conductors, even those that are so bad they can't conduct electricity let alone Wagner, Mendelssohn, Brahms et al? My question is how do you know they cannot conduct electricity unless you try... hard. Respectfully Submitted, Scott Young ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Audition help!
I know it's in the Thompson Edition. The only kicker is that the entire Thompson Edition for Auditions is expensive. I bought mine at the K-zoo Symposium and it was a $100.00 in 2001. No telling how much it's increased in price since then. It was worth the price there many complete parts to his work. A couple of noteable exceptions are the Pines of Rome and Pictures at an Exhibition. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bill Gross william.s.gr...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:34:21 To: mfri...@erols.com; 'The Horn List'horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Audition help! FWIW, I'm not sure this is the case (orchestra's providing copies). My limited experience with smaller groups is that they just publish the list. As I recall last May the Houston Symphony didn't provide music just a list of audition material. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Margaret Dikel Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 11:18 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Audition help! Hey everyone, I am in need of some help, I need to track down the second horn part to Shostakovitch 5 (1st mvmnt) and the Ravel Piano Concerto in G 2nd horn part. I have exhausted local resources and am curious if anyone can lend a hand. The orchestra for whom you are auditioning should be prepared to provide you with parts since both of these pieces are under copyright (and you can't get the easily). So call them. Then, if that doesn't work, email me privately. mfri...@erols.com Margaret Dikel Symphony of the Potomac symphonypotomac.org Margaret F. Dikel The Riley Guide 11218 Ashley Dr. Rockville, MD 20852 301-881-0122 mfri...@erols.com www.rileyguide.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Beginning Horn Methods
I concur with the Getchell studies. They are excellent in my opinion. I like the fact that he exposes the student to key signatures they normally don't see in traditional band programs. Getchell also makes good use of changing rhythms within an etude. He first might show a student a pattern with a half and two quarters in a four four bar, and then will vary the rhythm making the student have to count. I kid with my students that when they miss these patterns, that they've been Getchelled. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Ellie Jenkins Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Beginning Horn Methods Sent: Jun 16, 2009 1:33 PM I really like the The French Horn Student books (3 volumes) by James Ployhar, along with Robert Getchell's First and Second Book of Practical Studies. The Getchell's make great transposition workbooks later on, too. Ellie Hello All, I am starting a doctoral teaching fellowship at the University of Illinois, and as a part of my fellowship I am responsible for teaching horn methods to music education majors. I have thought up an assignment for my class that will require the students become familiar with several beginner method books. My question to the horn list community is what are some great beginner method books that I might not be familiar with and I should check out. When I was a young horn player I was brought up through the old Rubank method books for band, as well as Essential Elements and Standard of Excellence. Throughout my private teaching I have come across another great book, the Boosey Brass Method. What might be some other books that some of you all might use and I should incorporate into my class? I appreciate any feedback you might have. Thank you, Marc Zyla University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/elliejenkins%40earthlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Copycat Musical Themes
I agree wholeheartly! We play the most beautiful sounding instrument known to man and some of these hacks can only write us f#?/+*g afterbeat parts. I did a Summer concert last year, struggled to get to a basement rehearsal room with an arthritic hip (which I had replaced) to ultimately play twelve pieces of which 10 were nothing but afterbeat crap parts. What a waste of my time! The pain wasn't worth it. When I was asked to sign up again for this summer, I said I want to know what we're going to play before I commit to playing that junk. End of rant. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bill Gross william.s.gr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:12:14 To: 'The Horn List'horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Copycat Musical Themes Good on ya, mate! Anything that gives Anderson a payback for all the crappy horn parts he created over the years is well deserved. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Eldon Matlick Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 3:48 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Copycat Musical Themes Sorry to reply so late to an old post, but I thought you all might like this. Certainly there are many selections when the phrasing and chord changes can cause some interesting interpolations. We were doing a tribute concert to Leroy Anderson a few years back. Oh, a tremendously exciting concert for us to be sure (Our Music Director likes to pull these insipid things out from time to time. We were doing 'The First Day of Spring,' an especially sappy arrangement, when I noticed that I could hum the theme to The Flintstone's along with it. Of course, to break the boredom I played it softly on the next run through. My brass colleagues lost it and it took several bars for the winds to catch on. The conductor, of course, was not terribly amused, but we all got a good chuckle, but of course, I didn't do it again. Being a bad boy in OKC, Dr. Eldon Matlick, Horn Professor, University of Oklahoma Principal Hornist, OK City Philharmonic 500 W Boyd Norman, OK 73019 (405) 325-4093 off. (405) 325-7574 fax Conn-Selmer Educational Artist http://ouhorns.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Blog Address
Thanks for the blog, Leigh. I wish I could attend but money is tight, I have to be caregiver to my 5 year old grand daughter (that's best of all) and I have a great playing job this weekend and next. So I will enjoy your comments and photos. It was good to see the one of Rick Seraphinoff playing and teaching. I've known Rick since he was a very young kid playing trumpet in a Summer Band with the gentleman that taught us both how to play, Tom Shaner. Rick and both graduated from Lincoln High School, Warren, Michigan. I was 4 years ahead of him. If you should get the opportunity, please give Rick my best wishes. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Leigh Alexander Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Hornlist ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Blog Address Sent: Jun 4, 2009 11:04 AM oh good lord: here's the address for my blog. Many apologies to all. http://leighsmentallint.blogspot.com/ Leigh ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] wearable fixed bell case?
I am using my dent bag right now, but I am fearful of ANY bump along the way. I have seen ProTek and Walt Johnson fixed bell cases that have a strap that goes over one shoulder blade, in fact, I've got a Walt Johnson case that I use with my fixed bell Alex 103. I don't like it very well, not much storage for oils or lubes, let alone any extra places to put sheet music. I did have a ProTec, it was large, clunky and heavy. A good case for the Wintertime ice snow, it will hold oils, lube and has a pouch for sheet music. The best one I've seen is the fixed bell Marcus Bona, but those are expensive! Good luck finding what you want. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Joe Scarpelli Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: 'The Horn List' ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] wearable fixed bell case? Sent: Jun 3, 2009 12:06 PM http://www.hornplayer.net/forsale/f8922.html Joe -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+joescarpelli=earthlink@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+joescarpelli=earthlink@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of valkh...@aol.com Sent: June 03, 2009 11:49 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] wearable fixed bell case? Where can you get them? -William In a message dated 6/3/2009 11:44:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cwilhj...@pascack.k12.nj.us writes: I have a really nice Marcus Bono case for my fixed bell Alex 103. Works on a plane and has backpack straps. c **We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew0007) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/joescarpelli%40earthlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1
Lawrence, Our (U.S. Marines) were insituted on November 10, 1775 to assist in the fight against King George III, and his notion of taxation without representation. They are the World's best riflemen, (those that play in the bands are considered riflemen first and then musicians, excepting those in the President's Own) and I am proud that my son was a member of The few, The Proud, The Marines. Thanks to the British for angering us to institute the Marine Corps. I am sure Jack Dutton can give us more info since he is a Marine (once a Marine, always a Marine) Ooorah! Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Lawrence Yates Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1 Sent: Jun 1, 2009 3:05 PM What are these marine things you keep going on about? (I know about our Royal Marines here in England - they have red hats) Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1
I did remark about musicians being riflemen, do you consider us Hornists not to be musicians, Martin? When I attended my son's graduation from recruit training the Parris Island Bandsmen used Horns, not the bastardized Mellophones. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Martin Bender em...@magma.ca Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:04:41 To: lewho...@yahoo.com; The Horn Listhorn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1 Please folks-- don't forget to use the NHR in your post. If I want to know more about the history of the U.S. Marines, I'll search for it-- but not on this forum. Thanks! martin bender On 1-Jun-09, at 9:58 PM, lewho...@yahoo.com wrote: Lawrence, Our (U.S. Marines) were insituted on November 10, 1775 to assist in the fight against King George III, and his notion of taxation without representation. They are the World's best riflemen, (those that play in the bands are considered riflemen first and then musicians, excepting those in the President's Own) and I am proud that my son was a member of The few, The Proud, The Marines. Thanks to the British for angering us to institute the Marine Corps. I am sure Jack Dutton can give us more info since he is a Marine (once a Marine, always a Marine) Ooorah! Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Lawrence Yates Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1 Sent: Jun 1, 2009 3:05 PM What are these marine things you keep going on about? (I know about our Royal Marines here in England - they have red hats) Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Technique vs Hardware
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Re: [Hornlist] New Amsterdam Brass Band and the Tenor Horn
baritones (played by Emilee Bennett and Barry Morrison, neither name familiar to me). I found this article on the difference between the two instruments: http://www.dwerden.com/eu-articles-bareuph.cfm - and that seems to cover the issue pretty well, but I would appreciate knowing one more thing - does someone who really knows the difference between these two instruments write differently for them? Im guessing, based on what I've read, that a baritone might play slightly higher and/or lighter parts. Is the 4th valve something like the thumb trigger of a double French Horn? (And, if so, what pitch does it take the instrument up or down into?) 3) There were no French Horns, but something called a Tenor Horn which seemed, more or less, to play in French Horn register. A bit more online research and I learn that this is also known as an Alto horn - I have been given Alto horn parts to play, especially marches when playing in a band. Is this the instrument a French Horn player would play in such a band? I imagine it's a bit of a transition to make, as it's fingered right-handed. The alto/tenor horn appears to be an Eb instrument - do they make these in F, too? And do they make 4-valve models? Thanks much in advance. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yateslawrence%40googlemail.com -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] abbreviations (was: Rare horn piece...)
How about this orchestra. I've been with them for 25 years. It's the Lake St. Clair Symphony Orchestra, or LSCSO. The orchestra was known originally as the St. Clair Shores (Michigan) Symphony. The name was changed to reflect that the orchestra was trying to be regional, not just one city. The regional aspect never panned out but the name stuck. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: daniel.canaru...@unifi.it Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] abbreviations (was: Rare horn piece...) Sent: Apr 18, 2009 3:39 PM But why do you need such abbreviations at all? It seems to me that they are used only in the US (maybe also in UK?). Daniel - Message from lo...@mayhews.us - It seems that 2-letter abbreviations work for state and country abbreviations, 3-letter abbreviations are sufficient worldwide for baggage claim tickets, but orchestras need 4-letter abbreviations. That is why my orchestra is abbreviated SASO (Southern Arizona Symphony Orchestra). You might think symphony and orchestra are redundant words but it makes our abbreviation necessary and unique. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven 4, B-flat alto or basso?
Hi Carl! This time you got through! Don't feel bad, as my Blackberry was making my posts scrambled. Thanks for your insight, Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: ba...@fenwickparva.com Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:21:18 To: The Horn Listhorn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Beethoven 4, B-flat alto or basso? I hope this message goes through. I am a real person and horn player. I started playing horn at age 6, almost 60 years ago. My teachers have included Wally Linder, Dave Krehbiel, Joe Singer, and Gunther Schuller. It is also clearly marked in my Kalmus (Breitkopf) score and parts as basso. It is not so marked in the first editions printed during Beethoven's life time. Since Haydn and Mozart wrote horn parts for B-flat alto, what is the evidence that Beethoven wrote for basso, Maybe the basso is only a conductor or hornist's desire that it be easier to play, not one of B's concerns. This is not a poll for your preference, but a serious question for musicology about performance practice. It is quite possible to play the piece in B -flat alto, and Mozart and Haydn routinely wrote for high horn. What is the evidence that Beethoven wanted basso? Why can't I find any period B-flat basso horns? Are there any, or clear reference to them. Over the years there have been many unwarranted changes made to Beethoven's works, so it is not unreasonable to ask this question. Carl Original Message Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven 4, B-flat alto or basso? From: Dan Phillips d...@music.memphis.edu Date: Sat, April 18, 2009 1:30 pm To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu On Apr 18, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote: Looks like someone having problems - I seem to remember Hans having similar problems when he was out of his home country. Is it Carl Bangs trying to post? Yes, it's the same problem Hans has occasionally. He's sending through a webmail program that incorrectly formats the outgoing mail. Dan Dan Phillips Associate Professor Rudi E. Scheidt School of Music University of Memphis d...@music.memphis.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bangs%40fenwickparva.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed
Would that be the Dallas Symphony or the Detroit Symphony? A number of years ago Karl Pituch gave tickets to lurking list member Bob Losin. He shared with me and John Kowalchuk. It was a very good performance. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: William Gross william.s.gr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:10:51 To: The Horn Listhorn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Well not sure how you categorize rare. It was done, rather well IMHO, by the DSO last spring. On 4/17/09, Natasha Stehr natasha.st...@oae.co.uk wrote: Dear all, Just thought you might be interested to hear about this concert coming up in London, featuring Schumann's Konzertstück for four horns and orchestra: Romantic connections Wednesday 20 May 2009, 7:00pm Queen Elizabeth Hall Bennett The Naiades Overture, Op.15 Schumann Konzertstück for four horns and orchestra, Op.86 Mendelssohn Symphony No.3 in A minor, Scottish Robin Ticciati conductor Horn soloists of the OAE TICKETS 0871 663 2597 www.southbankcentre.co.uk/oae Natasha Stehr Marketing Officer Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment Kings Place 90 York Way London N1 9AG 020 7239 9374 www.oae.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed
Bill, Not to start a pissing contest, but here in Michigan we think of the DSO as the nearly 100 year old World class Detroit Symphony Orchestra. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bill Gross william.s.gr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:56:52 To: lewho...@yahoo.com; 'The Horn List'horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Dallas, of course. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of lewho...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:50 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Would that be the Dallas Symphony or the Detroit Symphony? A number of years ago Karl Pituch gave tickets to lurking list member Bob Losin. He shared with me and John Kowalchuk. It was a very good performance. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: William Gross william.s.gr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:10:51 To: The Horn Listhorn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Well not sure how you categorize rare. It was done, rather well IMHO, by the DSO last spring. On 4/17/09, Natasha Stehr natasha.st...@oae.co.uk wrote: Dear all, Just thought you might be interested to hear about this concert coming up in London, featuring Schumann's Konzertstück for four horns and orchestra: Romantic connections Wednesday 20 May 2009, 7:00pm Queen Elizabeth Hall Bennett The Naiades Overture, Op.15 Schumann Konzertstück for four horns and orchestra, Op.86 Mendelssohn Symphony No.3 in A minor, Scottish Robin Ticciati conductor Horn soloists of the OAE TICKETS 0871 663 2597 www.southbankcentre.co.uk/oae Natasha Stehr Marketing Officer Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment Kings Place 90 York Way London N1 9AG 020 7239 9374 www.oae.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece comparator
Hi, If you're looking for a new mouthpiece, check out Tom Greer's website at Hornmouthpiece.com. Tom owns MooseWood mouthpieces and in my opinion, his are the best! Best Wishes, Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Robson Adabo de Mello robson.ad...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:47:37 To: The Horn Listhorn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece comparator Dave Nothing is better than play testing the mouthpiece, but if you live in Brazil (like I do) this kind of information is very important. If I want o to try a mouthpiece here, I need to buy. We don’t have large stores like Osmun, Rayburn, Dillon Music... In fact the biggest music store here in São Paulo is not working anymore with french horn mouthpieces (because they use to sell just a couple every year). When you read mouthpiece specifications you can see the diameter of the mouthpiece, if the rim is flat or round, thin or thick and if the cup is deep or shallow, but sometimes this kind of information is very confusing. What is deep for a company can be just medium for the other. Kanstul link will never substitute play testing the mouthpiece, but it can give good tips for people that need to buy without testing it. I believe that the behavior of the mouthpiece is at least partially predictable. Sorry Dave, but what kind of asymmetries are you talking about? I didn’t get. Robson 2009/4/14 Brass Arts Unlimited i...@brassarts.com It's a very interesting link for trumpet players: [link deleted] Is there anything similar for horn mouthpieces? I find it interesting when you use the Kanstul mouthpiece comparator that there are asymmetries in the profiles, which one can only assume are derived from Kanstul's own CNC machining programs. Artifacts of aliasing the curves, perhaps? BTW, what would this tell you about how the mouthpiece performs? If this were available for horn mouthpieces, how much useful information would you get from it? Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/robson.adabo%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Paul Mansur
I had the pleasure of meeting Paul at an IHS Symposium. He asked me about my Alma Mater, Harding University and he told me about his sister attending Harding in the late 1940's. Paul was a fine gentleman, and I for one will miss him. Rest in Peace, Paul. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Lawrence Yates Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Paul Mansur Sent: Apr 14, 2009 6:30 PM I didn't see any announcement on this list. I was sorry to hear of his passing. Lawrence Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] THE FRENCH HORN ; SOME NOTES ON THE EVOLUTION OF THE INSTRUMENT AND OF ITS TECHNIQUE
Nelson, I've wanted the Morley Pegge for a long time but it's out of print! Hopefully the IHS can get it re-printed someday. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: dalle...@bellsouth.net Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] THE FRENCH HORN ;SOME NOTES ON THE EVOLUTION OF THE INSTRUMENT AND OF ITS TECHNIQUE Sent: Mar 25, 2009 9:22 PM Morley-Pegge was a horn player (Student of Bremond) and musical historian, published his book The French Horn in 1960. It is comprehensive and well illustrated, at least the first edition, which is in my library. For those seriously interested in the horn, this book- plus those by Robin Gregory, Horace Fitzpatrick, Bernhard Bruchle and Birchard Coar should be in their library. Regards. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Holtons
The 177 has a smaller bell throat and is considered to be a medium large horn, where the 179 is the large horn and has a larger bell throat. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Ashley Grothe Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: Hornplayer net ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Holtons Sent: Mar 26, 2009 11:02 AM My German teacher and I were conversing and I found out she plays horn. She told me that a friend had given her a horn and she knew it was a Holton. We determined it is a Holton 177. I play on a Holton 179. We looked the specs up online and it does not seem to have any differances. Does anyone know what they might be? Thanks _ Internet Explorer 8 – Get your Hotmail Accelerated. Download free! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/141323790/direct/01/___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Oil horn mayonnaise
I don't have that problem since my horn is raw brass. I personally don't care how shiny mine is, I do know it's nearly 40 years old, valves are tight and no pitting of the brass, anywhere. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: wells123...@juno.com Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Oil horn mayonnaise Sent: Mar 21, 2009 8:17 PM Val wrote: warm (not hot) water Would you (i.e. generally) expound on the reasons for this, please? Simon I'm embarrassed to tell you how I KNOW hot water is bad for your horn. Once, when I was cleaning one of my horns, I got distracted as the plastic bin with my horn in it was filling with water. The water got too hot and damaged the laquer finish. Under bright lights it's kind of hazey looking where the hot water touched. As far as I know, it's permanent. :o( Valerie Wells The Balanced Embouchure for French Horn Looking for insurance? Click to compare and save big. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsHF6xrmBRNMkSEFNw47LuKjy1MoQVqBIXgDV7LWUwZ1SOAVOV4XXC/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Yamaha Alexander 103
Lawrence, I am wondering, was your Alex 103 made in the early 70's? That is when my fixed bell 103 was made, and the springs look close to what I've got. Just curious, Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Lawrence Yates Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Yamaha Alexander 103 Sent: Mar 15, 2009 4:17 PM 2009/3/15 Debbie Schmidt jason...@aol.com Bob looks intersting why did it not work? Actually that is an assumption but I assume there were issues if they stopped using them? Debbie Schmidt Sent from my iPhone Hi Debbie, As I said above, it does work (or at least it works on mine) - I've had this horn for a long long time (I bought it new) and have had absolutely no problems with it (other than those stemming from my own deficiencies). I presume it was a cost issue. Cheers, Lawrence Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] help with appraisal
Hi Jill, If possible, contact the maker and ask what the replacement value would be. I have my horns insured with a rider on my home owners policy. The insurance co. asked for an appraisal on the horns which I was able to get from my local music store. The company didn't ask for a written appraisal. Good luck, Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Jill Jaques Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] help with appraisal Sent: Mar 14, 2009 9:14 PM Hi all - I'm wondering if anyone can offer some advice for me: I need to get my horn insured - a recent rash a break-ins in the neighborhood is making me feel kinda nervous about letting my horn go uninsured this long. Clarion wants an appraisal or a comp before they will insure it. Here's the tricky part: I play a Lechniuk, of which there are only 20-something ever made and they never come up for sale, and a lot of people (esp. here on the West Coast) have never heard of them. So getting a comp or an appraisal is proving very difficult. Any thoughts? Suggestions? Ideas of who to get in touch with that might be willing to provide me with a number? It doesn't have to be a formal appraisal, just a number I can show them. I REALLY appreciate any help y'all can offer... Thanks!! Jill (in Seattle) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Alex 103 copy
I also tried a Durk copy of the Alex 103. The only I didn't like was the lever on the change valve. For me, it was uncomfortable. By the way Brent, please give Ray Hankins my best regards. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Brent Shires Sender: To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Alex 103 copy Sent: Mar 11, 2009 1:59 PM All, I tried the Durk D3 at Southeast, which is the Alex 103 copy. It really surprised me, in its evenness of tone and intonation, as well as overall response. It sells for a lower price-point, making it easier for anyone to pick up an Alex in troubled economic times. I would definitely recommend that people try the Durk before committing to an Alex. Brent Brent A. Shires, DMA Horn Instructor, University of Central Arkansas Studio Phone: 501-450-5768 Cell Phone: 501-472-3350 email: bshi...@uca.edu web: http://www.uca.edu http://www.arkansashorn.org Third Horn, Arkansas Symphony Orchestra Principal Horn, Conway and Pine Bluff Symphonies Horn Instructor, Dixie Band Camp and Blue Lake Fine Arts Camp ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Leadpipe Question
It very well could be the pipe. I won't ask who made your replacement pipe for you, but I would think a custom would work well since a Kruspe is so similar to an 8D. A couple of years ago I was looking for a replacement pipe for my Alex 103, I consulted with Paul Navarro at an IHS Symposium, as soon as Paul learned the pipe was for an Alex, he told me to get another Alex pipe. It was good advice, my Alex plays great with the replacement Alex pipe. Good luck with your pipe. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: William Gross Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Leadpipe Question Sent: Mar 5, 2009 10:08 AM I'm experimenting with a new leadpipe for a Horner Model Kruspe. I attached it last night and found that there was one note, high A Flat, that I just couldn't get to respond. I am doing this via mail order, so I can't take the horn into the gentleman doing the work. Is it possible that the physics of the match of the new leadpipe and the horn prevent that note from sounding? Is it memorex or is it me? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Lube Jobs
Kendall, I sure hope the Prof. decides to use Ovonic Amorophis Solar Cells (made in Michigan) which are the best Solar Cells in the World! I know, my darling wife has worked for Ovonic Battery for over twenty years. Some Hybred cars are powered with Ovonic Batteries (don't ask or I literally might get offed by my wife). Who knows, if the Prof does use Ovonic Solar Cells, I just might buy one for my students to practice on after they play a good lesson. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: kendallbe...@aol.com Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Lube Jobs Sent: Mar 4, 2009 9:03 AM Yes and no, I agree and disagree completely with what everyone has said. Seriously, if you value your instrument, you should keep it properly lubricated including the rotors. What you use is not as important as how often you use it. I recommend petroleum based products including the recent synthetics. I'm not a fan of animal based fats on a horn, nor teflon or silicone. There are plenty of commercial products out there. Most are the same or similar formulas. One slide grease brand mentioned here is actually repackaged automotive lubricant. Lately, I've been using Valvolene Synthetic grease in the shop. I paid $3.97 for the stuff at WalMart. That container will last for a year or more in the shop. For the average player, a tub of grease should last a lifetime. If you need a small container to carry in your case, put some in an old Carmex or cosmetic jar. Valve oils are kerosene based. Triple refined odorless lamp oil is a good valve oil base. Most rotor and key oils are 5W mineral oil. Additives for viscosity/anti-corrosiveness, etc. are readily available at your local auto store. The right mixture will give you a superior lubricant. You can make your own valve oil with the right ingredients very cheaply if you wish. The bottles cost more than the ingredients even when oil was a gazillion dollars per barrel. Oh no, I just gave away the Professor's secrets! Well, the World's Largest Valve Oil Factory will probably have to close, anyway, if the economy doesn't improve! BTW, French Horn Hero will be available in a solar powered green version, as well. KB **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Recording Techniques
was happy, and the release is truly live and unedited. The plus side now is cleaner technical product. The negative side is that in the old days, you needed a damn fine group of musicians to make decent recordings. Now, any bunch of hacks can get a great recording given enough time (and money). What this has done, along with other changes in the business (most notably the lack of full time music directors with any kind of vision beyond their own jet-set careers) is to destroy the individuality of orchestras, worldwide. Personally, I mourn the loss of regional and international sounds and lament the generic results attained in the recording industry today. It's all about product now, not music, IMHO. I definitely miss performers such as Lucien Thevet, Gottfried von Freiberg, Domenico Ceccarossi, Georges Barbeteau, Aubrey and Dennis Brain, Alan Civil, Vitaly Buyanovsky, and of course, Mason Jones! It is a continuing delight (and education) for me, though, to hear Hermann Baumann perform when he comes to KBHC! I encourage all serious horn players to get old recordings of both soloists and orchestras and study these styles and learn why they played the way they did. I feel that there is now a certain emotional element missing from most new recordings and you can't be sure of the performers' technical skills, either, sue to the editing capabilities in our digital age. It's not quite sampled midi yet but it seems to get closer to that all the time. When is the last time you heard live musicians on a jingle? I will say, though, that the Vienna Philharmonic has retained it's individuality better than any other, for some very obvious reasons such as the Vienna horns and oboes. The most obvious, though, is the dogged determination of its musicians to maintain their traditions of playing. What other orchestra places the snare drummer in the clarinet section and then the guy plays his part like he's in a chamber group in regard to balance? NO ONE! Ah, don't get me started! When I want to listen to symphonic music, I listen to re-issues of 78's and LP's of the likes of Stokowski, Bruno Walter, Bernstein, Toscanini, Klemperer, von Karajan, Cluytens, etc. When I want to listen to horn soloists from a student perspective these days, I dig out my recordings of Hermann, Dennis and Mason, first. I do like this idea now that the LSO and Berlin are doing in offering recordings of live performances both in the hall and on line. It is difficult to tell them apart on recordings, though, these days. I always liked, despite the obvious stress, that in MN we went out live on MPR every Friday night though I think there was some editing done for the national re-broadcasts on NPR by using tapes of the other performances of the week. I would hope that serious students who perhaps can't attend live orchestra concerts on a regular basis would avail themselves the opportunity to hear recorded live performances, though. There really is no substitute for hearing an orchestra live, though, especially in its home venue. But, then again, I may be just another Ol' Faht at this point and youngins know best. I report, you decide! KB In a message dated 2/20/2009 1:00:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, horn-requ...@music.memphis.edu writes: date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:07:12 -0500 from: Joe Scarpelli joescarpe...@earthlink.net subject: RE: [Hornlist] Mason Jones Passes I would like to relay a story I heard from Fred Hinger who was a percussionist in Philly during Mr. Jones' tenure. I met Fred when he was at the Met circa 1968 while he was residing in an apartment building where I worked just after High School. Here it goes: When they were recording, if Mason heard something he didn't like in the Horn section, he would kick over his stand which would of course force them to start over. It wasn't clear if this was a onetime occurrence or multiple. Kendall perhaps you validate this story. I hope it is true. I loved it as it you can see it stayed with me for 40 years. Joe **Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filingncid=emlcntusyelp0004) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Recording Techniques
Greg replied: Now don't get ahead of yourself. You'll have to wait another year for French Horn Hero 2: Hottest Mellophone Party just like everyone else. is that like the Girls gone wild videos? I sure hope so! Boy, oh boy! Topless female Mellophone players marching and playing the Long Call and marching down a football field! Whatta Country! LOL! With my tongue firmly planted in my cheek, Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] elkhart 8D
Joe, Keep your Eastlake and learn to play it well. You'll have plenty of time to get what ever you want later! Heck, you might even end up like me and be an Alex Driver, they are great horns, I'll take my 103 against any 8D on the planet. Learn to play well on anything, then get an Elkhart. BTW, I sold an Elkhart 8D 35 years ago to marry the love of my life, I've NEVER regretted selling that 8D. 34 years, 2 kids and 3vgrand children later, I'm the luckiest man on the planet. Walt Lewis Happy Alex Driver, and Papa to three beautiful little girls. --Original Message-- From: Joseph Scriva Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: blackhawkjoe2...@yahoo.com ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] elkhart 8D Sent: Feb 13, 2009 7:16 PM ok. I made the mistake of buying an eastlake 8DS (screw bell). I'm now just realizing that i should have gotten an elkart 8D or maybe even a 28D. I know that this sounds really dumb thats because it probably is... but is there anyone out there willing to trade their elkhart (2)8D for an eastlake one? Im going to go into music as a career (I'm only a junior in high school) and I need an instrument that I can use even after college, because we all know an eastlake 8D is more of a high school/ college horn, so I would have to upgrade eventually, and I figured, why not now? It's virtually brand new and it only has minor scratching on the bell (barely noticable) and 2 medium-small dents, both on the bell. It's an ok horn, and it's serial number is #161770 (made in 2006). It was a demo horn at a local music store for about 2 years, which is where the scratching came from. I'll take any elkhart 8D even if it's really beat up and has leaky valves. I'm planning on doing music repair when i get older, so a beat up 8D would be a perfect project. I would appreciate it so much if someone would help me out. Thanks, Joe Scriva ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Why is shortest valve slide in the middle?
to squeeze out results for the unavoidable concours. There are students who can only read their parts because they have written in the names of the notes and often fingerings as well. Their teachers are their regular school music teachers and private lessons are not the norm. It's a nightmare. But the kids deserve better so I do what I can. When I start pointing out that a whole movement can be played with one valve pressed the whole time I am considered eccentric or a show-off. I can rarely convince anyone that it's actually simpler that way since they don't have the harmonic series in their heads so for them it IS more difficult than fingering on the Bb side. :-( Sorry, getting off track. End rant here Simon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yorkmasterbbb%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] US Marine Band and Chamber Orchestra
Margaret, NO DISRESPECT was ever intended by any post I wrote about the President's Own Marine Corps Band. I have had the pleasure of hearing them twice in my life, an they were far and above the best band I've ever heard. Marines that spend a minimum of 12 weeks in boot camp really want the equality from the President's own musicians. I had the priviledge of speaking to the Colonel that directs the U.S. Army Field Band when the City of Warren Michigan hosted them. All of their members go through Army Boot camp. My son worked very hard to earn his rank, and he felt justified in having some resentment that a musician was an Instant Sergent. I don't think he even took the musicians long hours of practice into account. Still a proud Marine Dad, Walt Lewis Member: Warren Cultural Commission Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Margaret Dikel mfri...@erols.com Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:55:24 To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] US Marine Band and Chamber Orchestra You know, I'm so thrilled that so many of you support our fellow musicians who choose to serve in the US Armed Forces, even those who (shudder the thought) never actually go through basic training. Just makes me proud. For those of you who wonder about the quality of the US Marine Chamber Orchestra and are so concerned about where they get strings, may I point you towards this paragraph from the band's website at http://www.marineband.usmc.mil/ The U.S. Marine Chamber Orchestra officially emerged as a concert ensemble at the White House, under the leadership of William H. Santelmann, Marine Band Director from 1898-1927. Santelmann, who auditioned for the band on clarinet, baritone, and violin, developed the Marine Chamber Orchestra by requiring all wind and percussion performers to be proficient on a stringed instrument. This requirement was eliminated in 1955. Today’s Marine orchestra musicians hail from some of the nation’s most prestigious conservatories and display an intense and musical mastery of their instruments. Here in the Washington DC region, the members of the Marine Band (and that includes the chamber orchestra) are considered some of the finest musicians arounds. I don't hear members of the Navy, Air Force, or Army bands dissing their colleagues for not getting muddy. They have a job to do like everyone else, and the USMC owns their backsides 24-hours a day just like everyone else. And I'm sure the members of the Marine Band would be surprised to hear that they are not respected by other Marines. Articles about them have consistently noted that while they do not enter the Corps the same way everyone else does, they earn and return the respect of other Marines. Now if they could just earn the respect of the members of this list, all would be good I'm sure. Margaret Margaret F. Dikel The Riley Guide 11218 Ashley Dr. Rockville, MD 20852 301-881-0122 mfri...@erols.com www.rileyguide.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [hornlist] Inauguration picture
John, Would that be the course that the author WEB Griffin describes as learning not to piss in the potted palms? Ooohrah!!! Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: John Dutton dutto...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:30:32 To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [hornlist] Inauguration picture [quote] True, they don't go through the training, but an article in the Washington Post a few years ago pointed out that many take leave and go through training, thereby earning their rifles honestly. At the time of the article, the NCO bandmaster was preparing for his second tour of Iraq. They are Marines. They just take a slightly different path than most. [/quote] - The Washington Post was wrong. The President's Own and all assigned to it are non deployable. End of story. The only Fleet Marines that are there are some few that have duties such as loading crew and public affairs and a couple of other things. These Marines rotate in and out of that duty station like all Marines but are not musicians. There would be a senior NCO of that group but he would not be a Bandmaster. The senior NCO of the President's Own would be the Drum Major who is non-deployable. Any normal Marine that wins a playing position with the PO then becomes non-deployable as well. The term Bandmaster refers to the Fleet Marine Forces 12 field bands and by definition is the NCOIC and senior enlisted member of a given band. These Bandmasters would indeed deploy if their band deployed. A Bandmaster might or might not also have been a Drum Major. Perhaps the news article was confusing the PO with a Field Band or the School of Music there at Little Creek. The musicians of the President's Own do not go to Recruit Training and cannot detach to go do so. They do go through an orientation/crash course in Marine Corps protocol etc. I would wager that most of them won't in their career learn enough to speak Marine. You former Jarheads out there will know what I mean! It is the Drum Major's job to teach them how to march and carry their instruments and push the paperwork and Traditionally the head Drum Major has been a Fleet Marine and that person might very well have deployed in the past prior to accepting a posting to the President's Own. Col. Foley succeeded in setting a precedent for promoting a non-fleet Marine as DM but that didn't last long and the normal tradition resumed with Thomas Kohl. Ironically, the current assistant DM was one of my Marines from San Diego. He deployed overseas to Iraq (several times possibly) prior to his winning a posting to 8th I. Browne, the senior DM, was also a Fleet Marine prior to joining the PO. I have no idea whether he served in a combat area or not but he did get posted with the very excellent NATO band in Europe. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture
I am wondering if the officers being talked about are 2nd Johns which everyone in the Military knows are dumber than dog shit. LOL! So if so, the REALLY are useless. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: scott...@msn.com Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: RE: [hornlist]Inauguration picture Sent: Feb 6, 2009 12:44 PM Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:11:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture From: dutto...@gmail.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sadly, Fleet Marines are forced to give up their normal insignia upon acceptance to the President's Own. My understanding from talking to the few Devil Dogs that are in the President's Own is that you can keep the crossed rifles if you are a Staff Sergeant and above until you are promoted, then you revert to a music lyre. When I was visiting there (around the time you were, Jack), the drum major was from FMF, and a Master Gunnery Sergeant before he came over, so he kept the bursting bomb. The DM of our band, a Gunny at the time, finished second, but if he had won, he would have kept the crossed rifles until he was promoted to Master Sergeant. Two of them are officers (and hence next to useless) Hence their pay grade designator, Zero-1 through Zero-6 ;) Respectfully (somewhat) Submitted, Scott Young ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Dent Bags
Cabbage, Would one then lube their slides with grape jelly? If so, my wife makes really good jelly from our own grapes. I would think the seeds from strawberry would mess with the valves if the jelly got that far. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: horncabb...@aol.com Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Dent Bags Sent: Feb 2, 2009 1:57 AM James M wrote I once read about a science teacher assigning a problem to his class. The problem was to design a case or package to have a hen egg dropped from third story window to the side walk below without damage to the egg. Two students solved the problem. Perhaps instead off getting an engineer to do the job, give the job to high school students to protect the horn. Just a thought. *** I used to sponsor Physics Olympics at San Jose State. Students from local high schools would compete in various events. One involved encasing a raw egg so that it would be undamaged after falling 15 meters. Parachutes were not allowed. Generally, about half the entries were successful, so we awarded prizes to the smallest, lightest containers. One year a successful entrant dropped their egg inside a jar of peanut butter. I think that would be the ideal way to protect a horn. Gotta go, Cabbage ** Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_dealsamp; #63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=dhs%26amp;#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags
Dave, If you were an unethical person, you could talk the mother into cutting the bell, and selling her a Marcus Bona flight case. LOL. That surely generate some more work for your business. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Brass Arts Unlimited Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Dent bags Sent: Feb 1, 2009 3:14 PM Gig bags are actually dent bags. It's not a matter of if it's when and how bad. Jerry is right, of course. I just had a kid bring in a horn in a gig bag. She had been playing it with a flattened (quite literally) finger hook, multiple serious dents, multiple broken solder joints, bent mouthpipe, bell rim creases, out of round bell throat, and on. $350 later I suggested to the mom that a hard case was in order. Of course, that hard case would be bad for business. ;D Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags
William, you're right in one aspect, but when one gets older and near his golden years with back problems, a case with wheels works even better than a backpack! I bought a Marcus Bona flight bag, and carried it for quite a while, until I started to suffer with back and hip problems. I adapted a luggage carrier by bunge cording my case to it. Voila! a wheeled case! I only have a very small problem pushing it through the snow. My physical therpist remarked what a good idea, and she also said most guys over 50 should be doing what I do to save wear and tear on their backs. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: valkh...@aol.com Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Sent: Feb 1, 2009 3:55 PM Correction, that should be a dent bag, not dent back. But back to the point, when you have to deal with walking several miles with a case (airports come to mind) nothing beats something you can wear as a backpack. -William **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags
Sure hope that drink is a pint of stout! If so, enjoy one for me as well. In your words, Cheers! Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Lawrence Yates Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Sent: Feb 1, 2009 4:25 PM Sorry, my misunderstanding (played first in Walton Symphony 1 last night - it did my head in and I've still not recovered) Can I go and have a drink now? Cheers, Lawrence 2009/2/1 valkh...@aol.com Gotcha. I agree - I did have a soft fabric type case a long time ago but I got rid of it. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags
Beer cooler! Best idea of all, Jerry!!! Will have to get the hornlist team of crack engineers on this most important project! Walt Lewis Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: jerryol...@aol.com Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Sent: Feb 1, 2009 4:57 PM In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:09:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, william.s.gr...@gmail.com writes: Comments guys and gals have tossed out in the design of a better horn case. 1) Wheels 2) Integral garment bag. 3) Integral beer cooler. **Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall0002) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags
The burning question is: Now days, how many Mellophones would the average High schooler destroy (not a bad thing, in my opinion) carrying out the research? Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: James Maddrey Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: List Horn ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Dent bags Sent: Feb 1, 2009 8:39 PM I once read about a science teacher assigning a problem to his class. The problem was to design a case or package to have a hen egg dropped from third story window to the side walk below without damage to the egg. Two students solved the problem. Perhaps instead off getting an engineer to do the job, give the job to high school students to protect the horn. Just a thought. youngjim ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Opinions on inexpensive cases and gig bags
Hate to say this, but, you will see a dent eventually. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Valerie WELLS Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn list ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Opinions on inexpensive cases and gig bags Sent: Feb 1, 2009 9:00 PM I love carrying my cut bell horn in my light weight ProTec gig bag. I bought it used for $80 from a list member who heard me whining about injuring my back from lugging around my horn in it's two ton Holton wooden case. My gig bag is for a fixed bell horn, so I don't have to mess with screwing that darn bell on off every time I go some place. For me, that's a BIG plus. That said ... I know that gig bags don't protect horns as well as a more rigid case. Someone once told me that a gig bag is a horn repairman's best friend! I handle my horn with TLC while it's in the bag, but I know my horn is still more vulnerable to damage in the bag than it would be in a case. I've carried my horn to 1 to 4 gigs a week for over two years I so far see no evidence of damage. (Knock on wood!) I recently saw something that I want to take a better look at though. I went to a gig w/ a horn player who recently bought a new Accent double horn. Her horn in it's case was no heavier, and perhaps even lighter than my horn in my ProTec gig bag. I examined her case. The inside was lined w/ a soft velvety fabric. The outside shell was a rigid solid molded material like fiberglass or plastic resin. From what I could tell, the padding between the shell the fabric lining was also a solid molded piece of some light weight material, something like styroform and was several inches thick. The case came with a shoulder strap. The Accent French horn case seems to offer the lightweight convenience of my gig bag with more protection than a gig bag. I don't know how much the Accent horn case costs. Valerie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] WAM
Adam, I'd gladly trade you some snow for some warmth! In Southeastern Michigan the region has had over 40 inches of snow thusfar. It has been cold, so no melting of the snow. I'm so tired of snow boots, scraves and parkas! The local governments are nearly out of money to clear the roads following snow storms. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Adam Black Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] WAM Sent: Jan 29, 2009 1:18 PM Whilst waiting for your ice to melt, we here in Adelaide, Australia are in the middle of a heatwave, where ice would be welcome. Two days ago, we had our hottest recorded temp. in 70 yrs (45degs celsius). Can I dive into your snow if you have some? Adam Black Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:51:54 -0600 Subject: Re: [Hornlist] WAM From: william.s.gr...@gmail.com To: taoist70...@yahoo.com; horn@music.memphis.edu CC: Too busy waiting for the ice to melt and listenting to all Mozart all the time on local classical music station. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Ronald Rhodes taoist70...@yahoo.comwrote: Fellow listers, What a surprise and disappointment to note that Mozart's birthday on Jan. 27 passed without notice on this list. Belated birthday greetings to Wolfie. Ron Rhodes ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/adamblack65%40hotmail.com _ Twice the fun—Share photos while you chat with Windows Live Messenger. http://livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=669758 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Flugelhorn vs Trumpet
I saw Arkady at the IHS shindig in K-Zoo and he was outta sight! My favorite memory was his motif of Salt Peanuts on Alp Horn! The next day I went up to him and complemented on his performance. He replied by hugging me! He was just a regular guy, he didn't do the star bit, he ate and went to the Master classes just like he was a regular kind of guy. (From a very snowy Michigan) Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Steven Mumford Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: mumfordhornwo...@att.net ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Flugelhorn vs Trumpet Sent: Jan 19, 2009 2:57 PM You might look around and find out about Arkady Shilkloper. He plays jazz horn with amazing virtuosity and also plays flugelhorn. I haven't heard a recording of him on flugel, but run out and buy all of his horn recordings, you won't regret it. - Steve Mumford ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: (no subject)
Do'ah!!! I've been cabbaged after all these years! Look what happens when one forgets one three letter word! Thanks for pointing out my error... Darned Blackberry! (Gotta blame it on that small keyboard) Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: horncabb...@aol.com Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] RE: (no subject) Sent: Jan 9, 2009 1:08 PM Walt L wrote: I can't comment on the Texas Horns, as I've heard it. *** I can't comment on your message, as I've read it. Gotta go, Cabbage ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%2 6bcd=DecemailfooterNO62) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] (no subject)
I have the London Horns and was given a copy of Vienna Horns. In my opinion, they both are virtuoso performances! I can't comment on the Texas Horns, as I've heard it. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Anne Megenity Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] (no subject) Sent: Jan 6, 2009 6:01 PM For the Poll : Not familiar with the Texas Horns, but my choice would be The London Horns. Magnificent. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece problem - the Day after
Which one? My Alex 103 with the cut bell, uncut bell, or my Cor Solo... All will rest today. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bill Gross william.s.gr...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:58:44 To: 'The Horn List'horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece problem - the Day after New PSA (Public Service Announcement): It's 10 AM, do you know where your horn is? -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of yateslawre...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:49 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece problem - the Day after Hi Luke, Happy New Year - I hope your head is feeling better than mine is! (and I still don't know where my horn is!) Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] mouthpiece
Since Milton brought up the bore problem, I suggest you check with Tom Greer at his mouthpiece company, MooseWood. He will take time to make sure the taper is correct for your new 8D. I know there has to be a bunch of us playing on MooseWood's. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Milton Kicklighter Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: kicklighg...@yahoo.com ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] mouthpiece Sent: Jan 1, 2009 7:53 PM Joe, Just a quick one from me. I have been away from my computer for some time and didn't have time to read all the mouthpiece replies to you. BUT: How the shaft of the mouthpiece fits into the lead-pipe is critical I have two Alexanders, and I use the exact same mouthpiece for both horns: rim. bore etc. However the two lead pipes are totally different diam and even though both mouthpiece's will fit both horns, the sound, response, register, etc. is awful if I don't use the correct mouthpiece shaft with its horn. Meaning: if the shaft doesn't fit, then the mouthpiece won't work as it should. If someone else already said this forgive. As I said I didn't have time to read all of the other responses. Happy New Year All Milton Milton Kicklighter 4th horn Buffalo Phil ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece problem You know your a horn geek when....
Speaking of being a Horn Geek (a former student paid me the ultimate complement by calling me the biggest Horn geek he ever knew) who was that woman Hornist playing the Schmid Triple with the NY Phil. She did a good job! Happy New Year! Today (the 31st) is my 57th B-Day. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Luke Zyla Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece problem You know your a horn geek when Sent: Dec 31, 2008 8:29 PM You know your a horn geek when you sit at home on New Years Eve talking about horn mouthpieces and watching the NY Philharmonic on public TV. Luke Zyla - Original Message - From: yateslawre...@aol.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece problem I'm sure it must be the time difference but I cannot believe that people are discussing mouthpiece problems on New Year's Eve! :-) All the best for the new year to all of you. cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40suddenlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Flugel horn subbed for French horn -- it worked!
Shuddering a la Homer Simpson... Alto Saxes! Huhuhuhuhuh. It would be worse yet it if the Saxes played like Kenny G!!! I did a Xmas gig with these nice Lanny Goss arrangements a few years back, it was all good at the rehearsals until the gig when this Alto player showed to double my part with me! I was pissed off to say the least! His playing totally ruined the work the other Horn and had achieved in rehearsal, and I said as much to my partner. When the church director called me the next year, I tactfully declined the gig. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bill Gross william.s.gr...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:00:45 To: 'The Horn List'horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Flugel horn subbed for French horn -- it worked! That's interesting and quick thinking. It's a good thing there weren't any Alto Saxophones around. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Valerie WELLS Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 1:36 PM To: horn list Subject: [Hornlist] Flugel horn subbed for French horn -- it worked! On a Tuesday in December I learned that my second horn player had gotten the dates mixed up and had a set-in-stone conflict for our holiday concert the following Friday. I contacted every horn player I knew in the south Puget Sound area every single one was booked. I was desparate. We were playing this totally cool Franz Josef Haydn Organ Concerto in F in a local church w/ a fabulous pipe organ. This piece has a horn duet that's absolutely critical for the success of the piece. So at the final rehearsal, I had to face the conductor w/ the terrible news that I'd have to play the part alone. Our trumpet principal overheard me asked, Could you rewrite the second horn part in Bb and let me try it on my flugel horn? I went home rewrote it having no idea how it would turn out. The trumpet principal I got together early before the concert went over the part. To my amazement, he was able to make his flugel horn sound like a French horn. (He's very skilled.) There were a few notes he had to play up an octave, but it all turned out great. Who knew a flugel horn could sound so warm sonorous as to pass for a second horn part? Have any of you had the priviledge of playing this rarely played piece? It's SOOO fun. Another piece we did that was especially fun for me was Mozart's Three German Dances (with Sleigh Ride and hand bells). In the second movement (or dance) the horn carries the melody all the way through. It was so cool. Valerie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Folding Horn Stands
I have one and really like it. It folds down fairly flat and is more stable than one of those guitar stands, which was the first type I used. I also have a KH which I use in my studio. Happy Holidays! Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Steve Freides Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: 'The Horn List' ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Folding Horn Stands Sent: Dec 18, 2008 2:53 PM [Apologies if this is a double posting but I sent it a day or two ago and didn't see it on the list.] I have one of these, a KM: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190274011228 I remember costing about half what they're selling it for - ouch! - but it works well enough. Several people have, in the past, referred to these as kicking tees, but mine sits at the side of the room and, so far, no one has attempted to punt my horn. I'm considering the purchase of one of these, a Hercules folding stand: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=350140758711 I'd appreciate any comments on the fold-up kind, which is the second listed above - I've got a second horn I want to keep out, and this is much less expensive and therefore my first choice if it works as well. Also, if anyone who has one thinks it might work for a small guitar or mandolin - I also need a stand for my mandolin. Thanks in advance. Steve so many instruments, so little time Freides ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Folding Horn Stands
DO'AH!!! I meant to say my new one is a Hercules. Sorry if confused anyone. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: lewho...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:57:59 To: The Horn Listhorn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Folding Horn Stands I have one and really like it. It folds down fairly flat and is more stable than one of those guitar stands, which was the first type I used. I also have a KH which I use in my studio. Happy Holidays! Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Steve Freides Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: 'The Horn List' ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Folding Horn Stands Sent: Dec 18, 2008 2:53 PM [Apologies if this is a double posting but I sent it a day or two ago and didn't see it on the list.] I have one of these, a KM: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190274011228 I remember costing about half what they're selling it for - ouch! - but it works well enough. Several people have, in the past, referred to these as kicking tees, but mine sits at the side of the room and, so far, no one has attempted to punt my horn. I'm considering the purchase of one of these, a Hercules folding stand: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=350140758711 I'd appreciate any comments on the fold-up kind, which is the second listed above - I've got a second horn I want to keep out, and this is much less expensive and therefore my first choice if it works as well. Also, if anyone who has one thinks it might work for a small guitar or mandolin - I also need a stand for my mandolin. Thanks in advance. Steve so many instruments, so little time Freides ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Official Start of CLAMSSA?
Lord help all of us if the Professor is a card carrying member of the Reboobigan party! Palin is dumb enough on her own, the Professor would have to spend too much time trying to teach her not to call it a French Horn. She would want to campaign in Paris. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Fred fbau...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:34:29 To: The Horn Listhorn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Official Start of CLAMSSA? Given the Professor's eBay win of the Senate seat, I am looking forward with great anticipation to 2012, when hopefully we will have the Palin / Gestopftmitsheist ticket as standard bearers of the Republican party. I believe, in my heart, the Professor to be every bit as qualified to lead our nation, in the event of unfortunate clammity befalling Ms. Palin, as Ms. Palin herself !!! Here's to better times ahead! Fred On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:28 AM, kendallbe...@aol.com wrote: Dear Hornlorn, I spoke to the Professor yesterday by short-wave radio as his phone is now tapped by the FBI. He is in Illinois where he is changing his driver's license (he's using the address of Geyer's old shop, now demolished and replaced with the 164 story office/residential tower housing the main offices of the Society for Tearing Down the Lights at Wrigley Field, a Chicago based non profit) so that he can become the US Senator from that state, which he won on Ebay last week. That said, please remember that CLAMSSA is a perpetual holiday, with no official start and no end to it. That is why it is universal. He knows that ALL of you observe it on a daily basis, whether you know it or not, both publicly and privately, and that is the true spirit of CLAMSAA. That said, the current holiday season is a good time to bring up the subject, as Scott mentions, to family members so that you can get the horn gift(s) of your desires, such as a fresh copy of Kopprasch No. 1 or a new quadruple horn or a copy of Dennis Brain's mouthpiece, or a lifetime prescription for Inderal or Zoloft or Flomax or Pepto Bismal, or a case of Jack Daniels or a truckload of Coors Light, for example. The Professor assured me that he will make his annual post(s) to the horn lists with a reminder about CLAMSAA so that you can publicly show your observances during the holiday concert and ballet season, even though there is no doubt that you will, anyway. He has the utmost confidence in all of you!!! Just so you know what you are doing, (and observing the holiday by the book), please refer to his lecture in Denver (_http://tinyurl.com/http-tinyurl-com-Clamology_ ( http://tinyurl.com/http-tinyurl-com-Clamology) ) if you have not already done so. Seasonings Greetonings and Mostest of Clamifications from an ice encrusted and now treeless Bad Corner, NH! KB In a message dated 12/16/2008 7:11:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, h...@yahoogroups.com writes: Does any one know the official start of CLAMSSA this year? I suspect it is on a lunar calender, due to the tides, etc. Clamsgiving leftovers are getting stale (Off-key with stuffy G and splooee, clamberry sauce, and clamkin pie topped with whipped clam), and besides, due to the official web site, I have convinced my family that CLAMSSA is a gift giving opportunity for the hornist in their life. Can anyone start us off with a rousing chorus of Over the Mahler and through the Brahms, to the Mother-of-Clams* I Go? Respectfully Submitted, Scott Young **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. ( http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010 ) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Official Start of CLAMSSA?
exclaim, ere he drove out of sight Happy clamsaa to all, to all a bad night. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/john.baumgart%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Rotor Valves
From reading your post, you might need a valve job. Try wiggling the stop arms on each valve back and forth, if there is movement in the valve, and if you push your valve slide in and there is no popping sound, the compression in the valve is weak. I know that Ken Pope and others on this list can better address your situation. Good luck. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Ashley Grothe Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: Hornplayer net ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Rotor Valves Sent: Dec 12, 2008 1:17 PM I have a slight problem with my rotor valves...My second valve has a clicking noise and has had it for a while. I am not too concerned about it so I have just left it alone. However, as of late my first, third, and trigger have been slow and sticky. My third valve makes like a grinding noise when it is pressed.Like I said, I am not really concerned about the second valve, but if anyone has encountered this problem and knows how to fix it that would be great. I do want to fix my other three since it is actually hindering the playing. I know I will probably have to take it into a shop, but I am hesitant because I've had bad luck with them (Yeah, they get the job done but they also add some dents and/or scratches to it!) I was just wondering if anyone knew what might be wrong and/or how to fix it...(and yes, I do oil it regularly...)Thanks in advanceAshleyPSIf it matters I have a Holton Farkas 179... _ Suspicious message? There’s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Conn Schmidt copy stolen--D.C. area
Howard, - sure hope you are able to recover your your horn. I know you must be just sick! Good luck in getting it back. I'll keep a good thought for you, and I sure hope you had it insured. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Howard Sanner Sender: To: horn@music.memphis.edu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Conn Schmidt copy stolen--D.C. area Sent: Nov 26, 2008 2:48 PM Sometime before noon on Nov. 25, 2008, my Conn Schmidt copy was stolen. The serial number, located on the piston change valve, is 211039. There are links to pictures of it at (you may have to copy and paste the link into your browser for it to work): http://www.ampexguy.com/horn/conn-schmidt/conn-schmidt.html In addition to the serial number, patches, and other identifying characteristics, the valves are about as leaky as valves can be, and there's a crack in the leadpipe that will show up as a drop of water after a couple of minutes of playing. This horn, obviously, is no prize, but I'd still like to have it back. Please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and also call the police if it crosses your path. No one was injured. So, all in all, it could have been much worse. Thanks. Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] 100 year old recording
My thoughts exactly, Fred! With my new titanium hip, I'm now the bionic hornist! Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Fred Baucom Sender: To: The Horn List ReplyTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] 100 year old recording Sent: Nov 16, 2008 9:16 PM Don't leave us hanging, Leonard! What did they sound like? Fred On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Leonard Peggy Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may be the wrong list. On one of the horn lists someone said that there was no way we could know what horn players sounded like 100 years ago. So far, I have only dug up a quartet recording from 1914. I don't know if there are any earlier, but this is durn close to 100 years old. LLB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
