AW: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque
Hello Steve, these are natural horns with the D-crook. Some of the horns have a tuning slide built in. You can hear, that the big bunch of horns (3 parts, but multiplied) covers all the cracks & clams graciously with a "coat of mercy", as some soft trombone chords will do for the strings so often. The performance is quite nice, but lacks the "real bite". Nothing is "festive". One can fall to sleep easily. It is the conductor. Just watch him. Nothing broad & baroque large. But with good intentions. Still enjoyable. === -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu] Im Auftrag von Steve Freides Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Mai 2009 04:46 An: The Horn List Betreff: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque Anyone care to enlighten and inform about these instruments? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjY6w1KQMo Thanks. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 15:12, Kit Wolf wrote: > > The trumpets seemed to have holes to correct the intonation, which > probably isn't terribly 'period'. > > Kit > The horns in this clip have them as well. (except maybe the one in the middle which looks like it has a tuning slide) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque
> Thank you, everyone. I did get that this is a period instrument > group, but I confess that this is the closest look I've ever had at a > period horn. Most of the "natural" horns I've seen look much closer > to modern horns than those in this video. There are some good websites with close-up photos of historic instruments - e.g. http://www.usd.edu/smm/Brass/Trumpets/NaturalTrumpets/Hainlein/3873/HainleinTrumpet3873.html http://www.music.ed.ac.uk/euchmi/ucj/ucjth06.html has a picture of a horn somewhat similar to those being used in the performance. The trumpets seemed to have holes to correct the intonation, which probably isn't terribly 'period'. Kit ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque
Steve Freides wrote: Thank you, everyone. I did get that this is a period instrument group, but I confess that this is the closest look I've ever had at a period horn. Most of the "natural" horns I've seen look much closer to modern horns than those in this video. Is that Raul Diaz in the middle of the horn section? He looks about the right age then if so - I remember doing a Handel Concerto for Double Orchestra (can't remember which one) with him on 1st and me on 3rd (and with Tony Halstead conducting) round about 1991 when that video was shot: he was an undergraduate at the Guildhall School of Music at the time and has since gone on to become a fantastic period instrument player. I however have not :-( Tim Costen ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque
In the Baroque years the horn was much more closer to its hunting horn roots than it later became. The hoops were much wider as they were the direct consequent to having them looped around yoiur shoulder as you rode your horse, leaving your hands free to control the animal. The trumpets look more like trombones because they are an octave lower than todays' "D" trumpets and they don't loop them more than once. For example, using Bb: today's regular Bb trumpet is 4.5 feet [or so] and thus a baroque trumpet in Bb would be 9 feet, the equivalent length of a modern Bb horn or Bb side of a double. I am not sure about the tuniing slide crook/issues involved in the horns. I noticed that they seemed to be using terminal crooks, which go between the mouthpiece and the leadpipe, and a couple seemed to have tuning slides or crooks in the center of the instruments, whither I know not. Paxmaha From: Steve Freides To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:38:19 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque Thank you, everyone. I did get that this is a period instrument group, but I confess that this is the closest look I've ever had at a period horn. Most of the "natural" horns I've seen look much closer to modern horns than those in this video. I know it is, at least in some circles, up for discussion as to exactly what instrument is to be used at times in Baroque scores, another reason I asked - very interesting about the doubling as well. This is not music with which I am familiar at all - thank you all again. -S- On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:02 AM, David A. Jewell wrote: > It appears to me that it is a "period instruments" group and that they are > going by some of the contemporary accounts of how many of each instrument > were actually involved in the original performance. It was performed outside > so Handel wanted more winds to make the sound bigger. There are only 3 > trumpet parts, and only two horn parts if I recall correctly. All of the > extra winds are doubling, a really not uncommon practice for such a work. > Paxmaha > > > > > > From: LOTP > To: The Horn List > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:51:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque > > Steve, > A cursory glance at the score seems to indicate Horns in "D" , 3 parts, 3 to > a part. > > Paul Truszkowski > > > - Original Message - From: "Steve Freides" > To: "The Horn List" > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:45 PM > Subject: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque > > >> Anyone care to enlighten and inform about these instruments? >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjY6w1KQMo >> >> Thanks. >> >> -S- >> ___ >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu >> unsubscribe or set options at >> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/paxmaha%40yahoo.com > > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve.freides%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/paxmaha%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque
The original amount of instruments was, if I recall correctly (I don't have access to something te verify it here): 24 oboes 12 bassoons (could be 16 as in this performance) contrabassoon 9 trumpets (3 players per part) 9 horns (3 players per part, in fact these parts are very similar to the trumpet parts) 3 timpanists side drums ìt is indeed a period instrument group, probably assebled especially for the occasion. (I remember seeing the original broadcast on the BBC a dozen or so years ago. It was a proms concert if I'm not mistaken) On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 14:02, David A. Jewell wrote: > It appears to me that it is a "period instruments" group and that they are > going by some of the contemporary accounts of how many of each instrument > were actually involved in the original performance. It was performed outside > so Handel wanted more winds to make the sound bigger. There are only 3 > trumpet parts, and only two horn parts if I recall correctly. All of the > extra winds are doubling, a really not uncommon practice for such a work. > Paxmaha > > > > > > From: LOTP > To: The Horn List > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:51:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque > > Steve, > A cursory glance at the score seems to indicate Horns in "D" , 3 parts, 3 to > a part. > > Paul Truszkowski > > > - Original Message - From: "Steve Freides" > To: "The Horn List" > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:45 PM > Subject: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque > > >> Anyone care to enlighten and inform about these instruments? >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjY6w1KQMo >> >> Thanks. >> >> -S- >> ___ >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu >> unsubscribe or set options at >> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/paxmaha%40yahoo.com > > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/corbasse%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque
Thank you, everyone. I did get that this is a period instrument group, but I confess that this is the closest look I've ever had at a period horn. Most of the "natural" horns I've seen look much closer to modern horns than those in this video. I know it is, at least in some circles, up for discussion as to exactly what instrument is to be used at times in Baroque scores, another reason I asked - very interesting about the doubling as well. This is not music with which I am familiar at all - thank you all again. -S- On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:02 AM, David A. Jewell wrote: > It appears to me that it is a "period instruments" group and that they are > going by some of the contemporary accounts of how many of each instrument > were actually involved in the original performance. It was performed outside > so Handel wanted more winds to make the sound bigger. There are only 3 > trumpet parts, and only two horn parts if I recall correctly. All of the > extra winds are doubling, a really not uncommon practice for such a work. > Paxmaha > > > > > > From: LOTP > To: The Horn List > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:51:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque > > Steve, > A cursory glance at the score seems to indicate Horns in "D" , 3 parts, 3 to > a part. > > Paul Truszkowski > > > - Original Message ----- From: "Steve Freides" > To: "The Horn List" > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:45 PM > Subject: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque > > >> Anyone care to enlighten and inform about these instruments? >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjY6w1KQMo >> >> Thanks. >> >> -S- >> ___ >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu >> unsubscribe or set options at >> http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/paxmaha%40yahoo.com > > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve.freides%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque
It appears to me that it is a "period instruments" group and that they are going by some of the contemporary accounts of how many of each instrument were actually involved in the original performance. It was performed outside so Handel wanted more winds to make the sound bigger. There are only 3 trumpet parts, and only two horn parts if I recall correctly. All of the extra winds are doubling, a really not uncommon practice for such a work. Paxmaha From: LOTP To: The Horn List Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:51:44 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque Steve, A cursory glance at the score seems to indicate Horns in "D" , 3 parts, 3 to a part. Paul Truszkowski - Original Message - From: "Steve Freides" To: "The Horn List" Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:45 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque > Anyone care to enlighten and inform about these instruments? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjY6w1KQMo > > Thanks. > > -S- > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/paxmaha%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque
Steve, A cursory glance at the score seems to indicate Horns in "D" , 3 parts, 3 to a part. Paul Truszkowski - Original Message - From: "Steve Freides" To: "The Horn List" Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:45 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque Anyone care to enlighten and inform about these instruments? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjY6w1KQMo Thanks. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns and Trumpets in the Baroque
Anyone care to enlighten and inform about these instruments? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjY6w1KQMo Thanks. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns- what to buy
Hi Mathew- You're looking at some pretty special horns. I bought a Rico Kuhn triple recently. If you are looking at the professional level horns, they all apprear to have substantial hand work and will most lifely vary in quality on an individual basis. But they will all be fabulous at that level so it's a matter of what sounds better to you and what feels better to you. My personal experience was the Rico Kuhn had more depth and body in the lower register than the E- Schimdt. The Schimdt was lighter weight and had valves set closer together, which was easier for me to play. Good luck in your search. Sara ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns
I would strongly urge you to consider Dieter Otto horns. I just recently purchased their 180k in yellow brass (traditional Knopf-Geyer wrap) and love it. It is quite similar in sound and build quality to the Kuhns and actually a little less expensive - still a hand made horn though. My experiences so far have been beyond excellent. The horn is capable of a very broad range of colors, the weight is perfect and it blends well with everything (oh yeah, it buries 8Ds with ease.). I tried no less than 20 new custom horns in one month (none at workshops - all in private settings at various shops) and found both the yellow and gold brass varieties of the Otto 180k to be superior or at least equal to everything else I tried. Make sure you have a mouthpiece with a German shank though as the standard morse taper mouthpiece doesn't quite fit right and can make a few notes funky. Modifying your existing mouthpiece should be easy and cheap if it's not setup that way currently. Cheers, Jeremy On Oct 11, 2008, at 2:50 PM, "Mathew James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey list, I'm currently in the market for a new horn. Here is what I am considering so far. Schmidt Ricco Kuhn Any advice between these horns? -- Mathew James ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns
Hi Matthew, I am biased, as I am a Schmid owner (full double). But having tried both horns, I favour the Schmid. It ain't cheap, but it's a superior instrument in all respects-- workmanship, response... the rest is up to you. Best of luck with your purchase, martin bender On 11-Oct-08, at 2:50 PM, Mathew James wrote: Hey list, I'm currently in the market for a new horn. Here is what I am considering so far. Schmidt Ricco Kuhn Any advice between these horns? -- Mathew James ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns
A friend of mine who worked for several years in Germany had to sell his Paxman and buy an Alexander. Now he's back in Italy and did the opposite ;) I'd say that in Germany you'll be more successful with a German-style sound. I've been told (by a top-level German hornist) that a Hans Hoyer can also be suitable. Daniel - Messaggio da [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Data: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:54:35 -0600 Sorry i forgot to mention Paxman. Long story short I'm planning on re-locating to Germany to pursue horn there. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mathew James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey list, I'm currently in the market for a new horn. Here is what I am considering so far. Schmidt Ricco Kuhn Any advice between these horns? -- Mathew James ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns
Hey list, I'm currently in the market for a new horn. Here is what I am considering so far. Schmidt Ricco Kuhn Any advice between these horns? -- Mathew James ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horns from China
A friend of mine bought a new Chinese Horn on line about 6 yrs. ago. He was very satisfied with it for the price he paid($750?). And after he used his Dremel tool to cut ALL the tuning slides shorter, he was actually able to play in tune with A440! Melvin > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: horn@music.memphis.edu> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 > 06:38:25 -0400> Subject: [Hornlist] Horns from China> > After a recent > discussion with the local horn-repair person here in SW Florida, I'd like to > toss out a couple of comments he made to me regarding Chinese horns. I've > really had to wonder about them, so here they are--When I mentioned to him > the negative comments on the list he commented that the Chinese-made horns > are definitely improving all the time, and further stated that both Holton > and Conn horns are already being made in China. True? False? Your comments > appreciated.> ___> post: > horn@music.memphis.edu> unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/melvinbaldwin%40hotmail.com _ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns from China
After a recent discussion with the local horn-repair person here in SW Florida, I'd like to toss out a couple of comments he made to me regarding Chinese horns. I've really had to wonder about them, so here they are--When I mentioned to him the negative comments on the list he commented that the Chinese-made horns are definitely improving all the time, and further stated that both Holton and Conn horns are already being made in China. True? False? Your comments appreciated. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns of Independence day
Hi, Check out moviebrass.com According to site hornplayers for the film Independence Day were: Jim Thatcher, Mark Adams, Jerry Folsom. Jeff DeRosa, Marilyn Johnson, Daniel Kelly, John Reynolds, Kurt Snyder, Brad Warnaar, Phil Yao, David Duke, Steven Becknell, Brian OÇonnor Jaakko Välimäki Finland > Hi, > > I was just listening to the end title music of the movie > Independence > Day and was wondering who played in the horn section for > that soundtrack > and especially who plays the great solos in the > afore-mentioned part? > > Thanks in advance, > > Artturi Lehtiö > Finland ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns in Denver: I like my Merker
<> Good; easy to play in tune. My Merker valve slides are almost in tune "right out of the box" requiring very little adjustment. The main tuning slide is pulled about 1/2 inch. The other slides are all the way in. Val ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns in Denver: I like my Merker
I have to put my two cents in on this thread. John sold this wonderful horn to my former student, Cecelia Kozlowski, who recently graduated from Western Michigan University with a degree in Horn performance. She studied with Dr. Lin Foulk. She has been accepted to the Cincinnati Conservatory of music and will study with Dr. Randy Gardner.Cecelia has told me tales of people asking her if the horn was a Merker, since John got a set of the Merker valve covers for it. John also stripped the horn and he put mother of pearl in the valve levers (which is really classy looking) and added a couple of extra Amato water keys. When I played the horn, I thought with the Lawson pipe it was one of the best 179's I've ever played. In fact, I told Cecelia, that when she gets around to selling it, that I hoped she would give me the right of first refusal. John, do you remember when we were in Bob Losin's basement, with Lowell Greer and trying to get the bell off of that horn? That was a fun weekend. Hopefully I'll be well enough to travel to the IHS symposium next year. Walt Lewis John Kowalchuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 01:22 PM 8/12/2008 -0700, Valerie WELLS wrote: > >Speaking of Merkers, I met John K. at the conference who also plays a Merker. >He said he modified his Holton 179 w/ a Lawson leadpipe & among other things >and that it, the H179, now plays like his Merker. >John, if you get this message, please respond. I'd like more specifics. Val Okay, I got the message. :) I used to have a full description of all the work I did on that H179 on my webpage but it seems to have disappeared. It was manufactured in 1975 according to the serial number, which seems right since that's when my parents bought it for me. It got a valve job, a Lawson leadpipe, and I cut the bell myself before taking it to the Banff workshop in 1998. I mentioned to Val that all the Merkers I tried felt as familiar as my trusty old H179. I've been very happy with my Merker Millenium for the last 7 years. To answer another question, the intonation is fine. John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns at IHS Denver - What did you like what didn'tyou like?
This sounds like you just as well could have been attending a trumpet player's symposium. Not to mention your headaches in that case I didn't like the noise of 300 horn players playing every excerpt they knew triple forte on every horn they picked up. Shish, what a headache! Valerie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns in Denver: I like my Merker
At 01:22 PM 8/12/2008 -0700, Valerie WELLS wrote: > >Speaking of Merkers, I met John K. at the conference who also plays a Merker. >He said he modified his Holton 179 w/ a Lawson leadpipe & among other things >and that it, the H179, now plays like his Merker. >John, if you get this message, please respond. I'd like more specifics. Val Okay, I got the message. :) I used to have a full description of all the work I did on that H179 on my webpage but it seems to have disappeared. It was manufactured in 1975 according to the serial number, which seems right since that's when my parents bought it for me. It got a valve job, a Lawson leadpipe, and I cut the bell myself before taking it to the Banff workshop in 1998. I mentioned to Val that all the Merkers I tried felt as familiar as my trusty old H179. I've been very happy with my Merker Millenium for the last 7 years. To answer another question, the intonation is fine. John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns in Denver: I like my Merker
sorry, one more question. how is the intonation on your merker? In a message dated 8/12/2008 4:37:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I play the Merker w/ the rose bronze bell, I think it's the H276. I love it for it's quick response, clean sound, easy upper register and it's "blowability" for lack of a better term. That's not to say that I believe I own the finest horn in the universe, but simply that I didn't find anything that I liked better. But, there were many horns I liked as well as my Merker, especially the Atkinson Erfurt line. Speaking of Merkers, I met John K. at the conference who also plays a Mercker. He said he modified his Holton 179 w/ a Lawson leadpipe & among other things and that it, the H179, now plays like his Merker. John, if you get this message, please respond. I'd like more specifics. Val Which Merker do you play?In a message dated 8/11/2008 12:02:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I played dozens of horns in Denver. I didn't find anything that played better than my Merker. Valerie___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/marksueron%40aol.com **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns in Denver: I like my Merker
I play the Merker w/ the rose bronze bell, I think it's the H276. I love it for it's quick response, clean sound, easy upper register and it's "blowability" for lack of a better term. That's not to say that I believe I own the finest horn in the universe, but simply that I didn't find anything that I liked better. But, there were many horns I liked as well as my Merker, especially the Atkinson Erfurt line. Speaking of Merkers, I met John K. at the conference who also plays a Mercker. He said he modified his Holton 179 w/ a Lawson leadpipe & among other things and that it, the H179, now plays like his Merker. John, if you get this message, please respond. I'd like more specifics. Val Which Merker do you play?In a message dated 8/11/2008 12:02:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I played dozens of horns in Denver. I didn't find anything that played better than my Merker. Valerie___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horns at IHS Denver - What did you like what didn't you like?
Yes and you are only a visitor to the vendor rooms; imagine what it is like for the vendors, but we endure the noise because that cacophony translates to income (we hope). The really good players often come when everybody else is somewhere else. It is a great pleasure to hear their musicianship as they try out horns in the relative quiet. Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 I didn't like the noise of 300 horn players playing every excerpt they knew triple forte on every horn they picked up. Shish, what a headache! Valerie Click to get a free auto insurance quotes from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifSLneQEP8jnO97cifgTlLh5TI yKGeExIdYh1SJZl03KEzeU/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns at IHS Denver - What did you like what didn't you like?
I didn't like the noise of 300 horn players playing every excerpt they knew triple forte on every horn they picked up. Shish, what a headache!Valerie Click to get a free auto insurance quotes from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifSLneQEP8jnO97cifgTlLh5TIyKGeExIdYh1SJZl03KEzeU/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns at IHS Denver - What did you like what didn't you like?
--- On Fri, 8/8/08, John Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: John Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Quote: > "but I think that might be because I play a large > horn, and switching to > smaller, more resistant horns would take a lot more than 5 > minutes of > testing in a exhibit hall. " > > -- > > This is a common problem with folks trying horns. They > don't actually know > how to adjust to the horn, they can only try to make the > horn adjust to > them. And this problem isn't limited to young folks > either. Sure, there is > some fine adjusting to be done by acclimation but as a > whole it shouldn't > matter one wit whether the bell throat is large or medium. > For instance, > the cylindrical tubing of European horns is actually larger > than the 8D. > There is value in trying lots of different horns but it > helps to know how to > go about it. > > The Jack Attack! That's something I've heard about, but it was something I really learned to appreciate at IHS. Any recommendations for an 8D player trying a smaller horn? I know my teacher (a prominent 8D player) has been quoted as saying "I don't know what to tell you - you don't play an 8D" when working with students who have played a small brass horn. Thanks, Ben ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns at IHS Denver - What did you like what didn't you like?
Quote: "but I think that might be because I play a large horn, and switching to smaller, more resistant horns would take a lot more than 5 minutes of testing in a exhibit hall. " -- This is a common problem with folks trying horns. They don't actually know how to adjust to the horn, they can only try to make the horn adjust to them. And this problem isn't limited to young folks either. Sure, there is some fine adjusting to be done by acclimation but as a whole it shouldn't matter one wit whether the bell throat is large or medium. For instance, the cylindrical tubing of European horns is actually larger than the 8D. There is value in trying lots of different horns but it helps to know how to go about it. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns at IHS Denver - What did you like, what didn't you like?
Well... I tried just about every horn there (except the Cantestanu (sp...)) horns, and wasn't very impressed with much that I played. Caveat - I am an 8D player... Here's the short list of horns I would consider buying: Doubles: - the new Vintage 8D (I've already given my 2(00) cents on this horn) - Paxman 20/25 (maybe) (I would have to try several of them out) - De Haro (pleasant surprise - a Geyer-wrap horn that an 8D player likes!) - Hatch (Ditto) - Alex 200 (the only Alex I liked - any ideas why?) - Yamaha 668II (maybe) (I felt the sound was almost TOO big - and coming from an 8D player, thats something :) ) Triples: - Kuhn (only triple that had even F, Bb, and F alto sides). Great horn. I would almost buy this instead of a descant. - Paxman (very maybe) (Had a great low register, but poor high register (?!?). Was really heavy, too) - Hoyer compensator (was in high Eb, so I couldn't really give it a thorough test run, but seemed to have a decent low register) Descant: - Conn 12D (only descant that didn't feel like a completely different instrument from a double. I don't want to have to worry about learning a new instrument every time I pick up my descant. Maybe a better way to put it is I feel that I could alternate with my normal horn without trouble.) I was surprised at how much I didn't like some of the really popular horn brands (mostly the foreign horns), but I think that might be because I play a large horn, and switching to smaller, more resistant horns would take a lot more than 5 minutes of testing in a exhibit hall. I found most doubles to be too heavy for my taste, which deadened the response. The Hoyers were good, but they would have to be made out of a much thinner metal for me to consider them. Regarding the Nirschl horns - I spent an inordinate amount of time over there (my girlfriend fell in love with their 3/4 size student double - an excellent horn, for the price), and found that their Kruspe wrap horns were so-so as is, but with their other leadpipe, pretty good (with the exception of an abominably flat F side - not a hard fix). Not as good as the V8D, but better than the standart 8D. I can't say about the valves, because I never noticed them sticking (maybe I caused them to stick?). My two cents, and another long post, Ben --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Jeremy Cucco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Jeremy Cucco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Hornlist] Horns at IHS Denver - What did you like, what didn't you > like? > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'The Horn List'" > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 9:54 AM > Double post (Memphis and Yahoo.) > > > > So, now that IHS is over and you've all had a chance to > rest a little, > please share with the group what horns, accessories and > gadgets that you > tried. Tell us what you liked or disliked about them. > > > > This is for morbid curiosity more than anything else since > it will likely > result in me spending more money. > > > > Cheers- > > Jeremy > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/corno42%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns at IHS Denver - What did you like, what didn't you like?
Double post (Memphis and Yahoo.) So, now that IHS is over and you've all had a chance to rest a little, please share with the group what horns, accessories and gadgets that you tried. Tell us what you liked or disliked about them. This is for morbid curiosity more than anything else since it will likely result in me spending more money. Cheers- Jeremy ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns in Band Music
Bill Gross wrote: "Having moved from a community band to a community symphony I have discovered (thanks to Hans for reminding us of this) that in a lot of symphonic works with horns playing off beats the composer often writes them as chords rather than unison. Then listening carefully to the other horn parts and blending in makes that work really enjoyable." The same can be said for traditional band marches. All to often folks get wrapped up in complaining about having to play afterbeats and they forget about the music. Fortuantely, my first band director spent enoungh time in sectionals right from the beginning to instill in us the need to listen to these chords and their place in the music. When you begin to think of these afterbeats in terms of music and accompaniment they then become less of an annoyance. I prefer to try to play afterbeats, whether in a Sousa march or a Strauss Waltz (or anything beyond or between), as musically and "concerto like" as possible while keeping fully in mind their overall role in the bigger picture of the composition. Dana Twiss Lithfield, Maine myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns for Sale
I now have 3 horns for immediate tryout and purchase ― 1 new horn and 2 used horns. The new horn is a Finke Americus double, gold brass; view this horn at http://www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke/FHFIDAGFB.htm. A used Finke Americus triple, yellow brass horn (2003) in very good condition at a bargain price; view this horn at http://www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke/FHFITAYFBf.htm. A used Conn 6d double horn (the price has been reduced for quick sale; this would be a great starter horn for a junior or senior high school student); view this horn at http://www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke/Conn6d.htm. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horns, dynamics, Conns, Alexanders, etc.
Yes, Gary, I agree & I preach the same. But hornplayers are not alone with that. Trumpetplayers & tubaists seem to be similar or worse. One sentence by a highly venerated composer-conductor said: "If you only see the horns, they are too loud allready." - Who was that man ? - But he had reason for that anyway. Do we need to satisfy ourselves by playing loud enough to be heard over the blast ? I rather think, it will give you more satisfaction to be part of an organism (re)producing the masterpieces. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:10 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns, dynamics, Conns, Alexanders, etc. Great post. The primary mission of a horn player is to be told by the conductor that it is too loud. Or at least it ought to be. That way at least you know you're being heard. And I love the 'paint by numbers' analogy. I'm going to remember that. There's a time for oils, a time for acrylics, and a time for watercolors. But there is never a time for numbers. It often seems that horn players, more than any other musician, obsess about equipment, often at the expense of musicianship. I think Professor Pizka would agree. I hope. Gary Get Firefox!!http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/central.htm l ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horns, dynamics, Conns, Alexanders, etc.
Robert, you have a quite funny meaning about playing in an ensemble, but you are not alone with that. Too many players of all levels think, they must be heard. Yes, I agree. But it depends when & where in the hall & in the piece. Our main goal is it, to blend woods with brass & strings because of our great possiblities with the vast amount of overtones or co-sounding harmony tones, but to appear as solo or within the group or the whole group as a dynamic force or color or whatever, but not at all times if there is written forte or fortissimo. All dynamics are relative & must be seen within the context. One must be able to recognize the principal voice & accompany or enforce it. There are not many spots, where the horns should "shoot up" or "blast". You could "blast" your Mahler (for me "Maleur" most of the time - big "gulash" - sometimes still fun to play), but not the Wagner & Strauss. And even in the incredible loud fortissimo the horns dominating the whole orchestra, they have to remain civilized and tamed, means under full control & sonorous, but in most cases they sound just super loud & often like "dino-farts" without any culture. Yes, this behaviour or maltreatment of the horns contributed to some unfavoreable picture of the Conns here in Europe. But this picture is unjust. And, why should a principal horn play all the loud dynamics of a piece at full, if it is just a rehearsal. Demonstrating it occasionally during the movement or the piece, fine, so the conductor can know your abilities, that´s enough. One has to care about the embouchure, special on the first chair. Let the other, who play the same spot unison with you, let them do the job. The sound will be much better. For the concert: if both with the same melody, if both reduce "speed" they remain same strong but without "blasting", still noble. I have tried many Conns & found them as flexible as other excellent horns. The players are those who ruin the fame of certain instruments. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rob schmidtke Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:54 AM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Horns, dynamics, Conns, Alexanders, etc. All this talk about Conn's makes me think. I've had 5 8ds over the years, I still have two both are newer, one I bought new about 3 years ago , and the other I got at a garage sale. They have all been good horns, not great but good. I now play Alexanders, mainly a 301 and also a 103. I think it's how you play and what you are trying to get in the tone and response areas. I've noticed where I live in Minnesota Conn's and holtons are the norm at the college level. I think people go to a "big" horn to to get a bigger sound. But I don't hear people blowing the horn, using a full dynamic range. One college concert I went to at one of the better music schools in the area, had 6 or 8 horns in their top band , and you never heard them, unless it was an absolute solo, and then it still sounded weak( not loud enough). I was amazed. So I started noticing this trend in groups in the area. Community groups and college groups. I haven't heard the Minnesota Orchestra live, but I have heard amazing playing from the St Paul Chamber orchestra. I play in a couple groups on a regular basis that fit for me. Mainly because the horn players play with dynamics. About a month ago, our first horn player had to miss a rehearsal, and got a sub. It was a busy concert with Till, and Der Rosenkavilier suite. It got frustrating that the sub never played with any conviction, or for lack of a better term aggressiveness. The sub was very accurate, and in tune, nice sound, a good player, but it was kinda paint by numbers. At one point he did fire it up even with a bit of brassiness, and the trumpet player said " that's the first time you played out all night" and the sub said I hate playing that way. It made me think why don't you play the kazoo. Safe is not good safe is boring. Of course you don't play Mozart like Mahler, Beethoven , or Brahms. This safe playing is wrong for all types of music. I think people get in a rut, or never learned how to play correctly to begin with. I have found that different types of horns I sound the same as I always do after a week or two. If it's bright I find myself closing my hand more, or opening it if it's dark. I'm gonna get the sound that I want, the thing is to find a horn that does this the easiest for you . I can play with a Bigger more focused sound on my alexes than I can on a conn. The alex is less buzzy, brassy edgy than the conn at a forte dynamic. I have also found that the center of th
Re: [Hornlist] Horns, dynamics, Conns, Alexanders, etc.
Great post. The primary mission of a horn player is to be told by the conductor that it is too loud. Or at least it ought to be. That way at least you know you're being heard. And I love the 'paint by numbers' analogy. I'm going to remember that. There's a time for oils, a time for acrylics, and a time for watercolors. But there is never a time for numbers. It often seems that horn players, more than any other musician, obsess about equipment, often at the expense of musicianship. I think Professor Pizka would agree. I hope. Gary Get Firefox!!http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/central.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns, dynamics, Conns, Alexanders, etc.
All this talk about Conn's makes me think. I've had 5 8ds over the years, I still have two both are newer, one I bought new about 3 years ago , and the other I got at a garage sale. They have all been good horns, not great but good. I now play Alexanders, mainly a 301 and also a 103. I think it's how you play and what you are trying to get in the tone and response areas. I've noticed where I live in Minnesota Conn's and holtons are the norm at the college level. I think people go to a "big" horn to to get a bigger sound. But I don't hear people blowing the horn, using a full dynamic range. One college concert I went to at one of the better music schools in the area, had 6 or 8 horns in their top band , and you never heard them, unless it was an absolute solo, and then it still sounded weak( not loud enough). I was amazed. So I started noticing this trend in groups in the area. Community groups and college groups. I haven't heard the Minnesota Orchestra live, but I have heard amazing playing from the St Paul Chamber orchestra. I play in a couple groups on a regular basis that fit for me. Mainly because the horn players play with dynamics. About a month ago, our first horn player had to miss a rehearsal, and got a sub. It was a busy concert with Till, and Der Rosenkavilier suite. It got frustrating that the sub never played with any conviction, or for lack of a better term aggressiveness. The sub was very accurate, and in tune, nice sound, a good player, but it was kinda paint by numbers. At one point he did fire it up even with a bit of brassiness, and the trumpet player said " that's the first time you played out all night" and the sub said I hate playing that way. It made me think why don't you play the kazoo. Safe is not good safe is boring. Of course you don't play Mozart like Mahler, Beethoven , or Brahms. This safe playing is wrong for all types of music. I think people get in a rut, or never learned how to play correctly to begin with. I have found that different types of horns I sound the same as I always do after a week or two. If it's bright I find myself closing my hand more, or opening it if it's dark. I'm gonna get the sound that I want, the thing is to find a horn that does this the easiest for you . I can play with a Bigger more focused sound on my alexes than I can on a conn. The alex is less buzzy, brassy edgy than the conn at a forte dynamic. I have also found that the center of the tone is more user friendly on the alex than the conn. Rob Schmidtke - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns?
Hi all, I'm interested in purchasing another horn. Anything out there anyone is thinking of selling? Geyer, Geyer model? Wrap? Also looking for a Conn (N) and Alex 103. Obviously, I like variety. lol Please write off list, to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks much, Lisa ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] horns on planes
Has anyone taken their horn on a Norhwest plane as of recently? ~Mara ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns on Ebay
Excuse the double post, please. I have four horns on Ebay at the moment, sale ending this Saturday, the 17th. The first is my flattened horn, a la MASH, mounted on black velvet in a gilt frame. (A really depressed Horn! Flattened with a 20 ton hydraulic press.) Next is a 1904 Conn Pan American mellophone in silver plate with crooks for F, Eb and C. Right-handed with piston valves. Case appears to be original, with Altohorn mouthpiece. Don't confuse this instrument with a modern "marching mellophone." This one is circular wrap. Great for use in a "Silver Cornet Band" or a Brass Band. The third instrument is an H.N. White King single F horn with piston valves. Probably dates from about 1941 or so. It is in good condition and plays well. The case is pretty well beat up, but still works; not original. (Piston valves on the mellophone are pretty good, also.) Last one is an Elkhorn single F, rotary valves. Was used about 4 or 5 years ago to start a beginner. It is in fair condition but shows lots of use. There is a tiny hole in the bell where a brace is soldered on. I recommend this one for a wall ornament or truly emergency use only. It is in a good, non-original case. Seller's screen name for these is "Skittles 48" There are photos of all included with listings. CORdially, Mansur's Answers ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns in China
Has anybody ever heard about a Christian driven rebellion in Chinas history ? Yes, there was one, the "Taiping Revolution" lasting for 14 years only from 1850until 1864 if I recall well. They established a Heavenly Kingdom ruled from Nanjing by the Heavenly King. His mission was mixed from christian-protestantism & egalitarian confucianism & included so modern reforms as the equal rights for women and abolition of the aristocracy & dividing the land for all chinese. Hang Xinquan (1814-64 - he died of poisoning himself on June 1st, 1864 in a hopeless defeated political position) believed he were God second son & a chinese Christ. Politically he was a very weak leader as he concentrated himself more to religious affairs. The civil war in China costed 20 million lives. All buddhist & daoist temples, some of them older than 2000 years were destroyed in this region. What has this to do with horn playing, you might ask. Yes, it has to do with horn playing, as they held services in the cathedral in Nanjing & used two horns for the church music according to a picture I have seen in the Nanjing Taiping Museum yesterday. This museum is near the old Temple of Confuzius (Fuzi Miao) in the former palace of the first Ming Emperor Zhu Yuanzhang (the Taizu emperor), who (himself a paesant leader) founded the Ming Dynasty in 1358, as a successor to the Mongolian Yuan Dynasty. This place had been converted then to a princely residence later & has a beautiful large landscape garden. The picture in question will be up later on my home page, but let me return home first. Greetings today from Wuzi, half way back to Shanghai Hans Pizka ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horns in the corner
At 11:18 AM -0500 3/19/06, David Goldberg wrote: And don't forget Captain Corcoran from Gilbert & Sullivan's "H.M.S. Pinafore" - apparently his name can just as easily not be traced back to the double horn. David Goldberg, cornfused by it all "Cor blimey" and be done with it. Go to your corner, Little Jack, and play with your curds. C -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My ISP feels that some of my e-mails are not worthy of deliverance. If you do not receive something you expect, please ask me to resend. I apologize for my ISP's evaluation of my e-mail's worthiness. Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horns in the corner
Hans.Pizka wrote: corner...cornuto...correct...Corolla...Arcor...ACCOR... > correlated...Corps...corpus...d´accor...accord...cordial And don't forget Captain Corcoran from Gilbert & Sullivan's "H.M.S. Pinafore" - apparently his name can just as easily not be traced back to the double horn. David Goldberg, cornfused by it all ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] horns in the corner
Sorry, Tom, it is "Hoerner" = plural. As we write (sometimes) your "corner" with "K", the plural might come out as "Koerner", so to get the rhyme back. But "Koerner" means definitely different things than "corner". And there is also "cornuto". And "correct" does not come from "cor recte", which would (perhaps) be a "streight horn". And also, "Corolla" is not a japanese misspelling of "Cor roller", or perhaps ? "Arcor" is not a misspelling of "A Cor", but the name of a telphone provider, while "ACCOR" - another verballhorning of the French term "Cor" for horn - does not translate to "a horn in C", as it is one of the biggest hotel chains in the world. "correlated" does not translate to "horn related", etc.etc. How about "Cor ps" ? Is it a misspelling of "Cops" in ist original form of "Corps" or how about "cor pus" or "d´accor" and "a c cor d" (not a chord a c d) and "cordial" has nothing to do with dialing on the horn. ==== = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Heuston Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:14 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] horns in the corner Possibly, since the German word for horns is Horner... Tom Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: this I never before noticed the similarity of the word "horn" (whose predecessor and other current forms come from the base "cor") and the apparently unrelated word "corner". set me thinking about the nursery rhyme - 'little jack horner, sat in the corner eating his Christmas pie' possibly no connection other than the rhyme. Tom ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fattygoatspwn you%40yahoo.com - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horns in the corner
Possibly, since the German word for horns is Horner... Tom Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: this I never before noticed the similarity of the word "horn" (whose predecessor and other current forms come from the base "cor") and the apparently unrelated word "corner". set me thinking about the nursery rhyme - 'little jack horner, sat in the corner eating his Christmas pie' possibly no connection other than the rhyme. Tom ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fattygoatspwnyou%40yahoo.com - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] horns in the corner
this I never before noticed the similarity of the word "horn" (whose predecessor and other current forms come from the base "cor") and the apparently unrelated word "corner". set me thinking about the nursery rhyme - 'little jack horner, sat in the corner eating his Christmas pie' possibly no connection other than the rhyme. Tom ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horns on ebay
Last year I bought 2 really homely, semi-ugly, & completely unprepossessing damaged eBay 6Ds that, when straightened out & cleaned up, turned out to play great -- excellent sound, good intonation, easy response -- just nice, easy-playing high & low & mid-range horns. I resold 1 of them (on eBay) for big bucks. The other is ready for the same fate -- except that it plays so well that I'm semi-reluctant to let it go despite its exceedingly modest appearance & low-status marque. Maybe I should keep the nice playing 6D & sell off something else that's worth more -- e.g., my eBay customized Yamaha YHR-668N. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/282 - Release Date: 3/15/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horns on ebay
As cheap as he eBay horns may seem, many are not really worth fixing up, even if you do the work yourself. If you are knowledgeable and have the tools, there are some remarkably good buys. I have four or five ebay horns that are as good as, or better than, the most expensive horns available. One of the secrets to buying school horns is to look for one with damage, usually a flattened bell, that makes the horn un playable, but is easy to straighten out. Often, these horns have been stored, un played and un playable for years, and the valves are as new. -Original Message- From: Giovanni Gabrieli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List Sent: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:10:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Hornlist] horns on ebay Yeah, it would maybe be an expensive albeit original decoration ;-) --- Shannon Midbrod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello all~ This may be a stupid question but I was looking at horns on ebay today and I can't believe how cheap some of those things are! I realize these horns probably don't play worth a darn but if I wanted to buy one of these things purely for decoration, would it be worth it? Shannon Midbrod - Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/giovannimusica%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] horns on ebay
Hello Paul, Good Morning (it is 06:21 A.M. here). Your horn is a plagiat definitely, as I have seen an old curved flat but not depleted Laurel & Hardy, short before still used (farted) by Hardy. I saw it in one of their movies, when I was a school boy. Greetings Hans PS: From tomorrow on I turn in to the last round (year) before retirement, but still have fun playing demanding stuff (we are mid in the RING, but it is not much fun left, as the younger colleagues dont make that much fun as we did. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Mansur Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:03 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] horns on ebay Hey! If you're looking for a decoration I can beat buying a new Chinese horn. I have a flat horn; that is, it is literally rolled flat by a hydraulic press, mounted to hang on black velvet in a gold frame. Great decoration for one's home and a marvelous conversation piece. We called it "The depressed Horn!" I'll sell it for less than you can buy a Parrot. (It is an aged single F with character.) CORdially, Paul Mansur On Wednesday, March 15, 2006, at 05:34 PM, Shannon Midbrod wrote: > Hello all~ > > This may be a stupid question but I was looking at horns on ebay > today and I can't believe how cheap some of those things are! I > realize these horns probably don't play worth a darn but if I wanted > to buy one of these things purely for decoration, would it be worth > it? > > Shannon Midbrod > > > - > Yahoo! Travel > Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40c omcast.net > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] horns on ebay
Is the parrot a Norwegian Blue, the one with beautiful plumage? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Klaus Bjerre Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 6:15 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] horns on ebay Paul, you are the elderly (even compared to me) wise guy! How did you acquire a single parrot tuned in F albeit being a bit flat? Was it a male or a female? Was it an Ara or a cockatoo? Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre --- Paul Mansur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey! If you're looking for a decoration I can beat buying a new > Chinese horn. I have a flat horn; that is, it is literally rolled flat > by a hydraulic press, mounted to hang on black velvet in a gold frame. > Great decoration for one's home and a marvelous conversation piece. We > called it "The depressed Horn!" I'll sell it for less than you can buy > a Parrot. (It is an aged single F with character.) > > CORdially, Paul Mansur > > On Wednesday, March 15, 2006, at 05:34 PM, Shannon Midbrod wrote: > > > Hello all~ > > > > This may be a stupid question but I was looking at horns on ebay > > today and I can't believe how cheap some of those things are! I > > realize these horns probably don't play worth a darn but if I wanted > > to buy one of these things purely for decoration, would it be worth > it? > > > > Shannon Midbrod > > > > > > - > > Yahoo! Travel > > Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yorkmasterbbb%40yahoo.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horns on ebay
Paul, you are the elderly (even compared to me) wise guy! How did you acquire a single parrot tuned in F albeit being a bit flat? Was it a male or a female? Was it an Ara or a cockatoo? Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre --- Paul Mansur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey! If you're looking for a decoration I can beat buying a new > Chinese horn. I have a flat horn; that is, it is literally rolled flat > by a hydraulic press, mounted to hang on black velvet in a gold frame. > Great decoration for one's home and a marvelous conversation piece. We > called it "The depressed Horn!" I'll sell it for less than you can buy > a Parrot. (It is an aged single F with character.) > > CORdially, Paul Mansur > > On Wednesday, March 15, 2006, at 05:34 PM, Shannon Midbrod wrote: > > > Hello all~ > > > > This may be a stupid question but I was looking at horns on ebay > > today and I can't believe how cheap some of those things are! I > > realize these horns probably don't play worth a darn but if I wanted > > to buy one of these things purely for decoration, would it be worth > it? > > > > Shannon Midbrod > > > > > > - > > Yahoo! Travel > > Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yorkmasterbbb%40yahoo.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horns on ebay
Yeah, it would maybe be an expensive albeit original decoration ;-) --- Shannon Midbrod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all~ > > This may be a stupid question but I was looking at > horns on ebay today and I can't believe how cheap > some of those things are! I realize these horns > probably don't play worth a darn but if I wanted to > buy one of these things purely for decoration, would > it be worth it? > > Shannon Midbrod > > > - > Yahoo! Travel > Find great deals to the top 10 hottest > destinations! > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/giovannimusica%40yahoo.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horns on ebay
Hey! If you're looking for a decoration I can beat buying a new Chinese horn. I have a flat horn; that is, it is literally rolled flat by a hydraulic press, mounted to hang on black velvet in a gold frame. Great decoration for one's home and a marvelous conversation piece. We called it "The depressed Horn!" I'll sell it for less than you can buy a Parrot. (It is an aged single F with character.) CORdially, Paul Mansur On Wednesday, March 15, 2006, at 05:34 PM, Shannon Midbrod wrote: Hello all~ This may be a stupid question but I was looking at horns on ebay today and I can't believe how cheap some of those things are! I realize these horns probably don't play worth a darn but if I wanted to buy one of these things purely for decoration, would it be worth > it? Shannon Midbrod - Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] horns on ebay
Hello all~ This may be a stupid question but I was looking at horns on ebay today and I can't believe how cheap some of those things are! I realize these horns probably don't play worth a darn but if I wanted to buy one of these things purely for decoration, would it be worth it? Shannon Midbrod - Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns in China
I've been playing with a community band in Japan, and last summer we had been hoping to attend a music festival in Shanghai. There was also a lot of talk about a community band from Shanghai coming to Japan to visit us as a kind of cultural exchange. Unfortunately, because of politics between China and Japan, none of that happened. It seems they have this festival every three years, and our band has attended in the past, although that was before I joined. That's about all I understand of it... my Japanese is barely conversational. As a side note, I've been reading with great interest the posts on tuning, as that's always been a challenge for me. My method has mainly been to include tuning work in my warm-up: playing each chromatic note three times with a tuner just to give myself a good center. It was very helpful in adjusting to the fact that I was accustomed to bands playing at A440, and my band in Japan plays at A442. But it is hardly the best practice method, and certainly open to critique. Betsy Frick Niigata, Japan - Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] horns
Hello, just let you know, I have two of my nice silver & gold plated double horns ready to sale. Both are tried out in actual performances in opera & concert. They come with the super compact flight case. See my page: www.pizka.de/PizClasHrs.htm Delivery is included in the price of the double horns. Take advantage of the still very good exchange rate. If there is custom taxe to be paid, this is on the customers side. These horns are special for those players who love the Viennese sound. There are also three Viennese Pumpenhorns ready to be shipped. A pair of them is equipped with the additional set of slides & the Bb-sticker to convert it from F to Bb. They come with a very fine Viennesehorn hard case. The shipping is not included in the given price. If you are really interested, write to me privately. ANNOUNCEMENT: My homepage will be moved somewhen the next future, but I keep a link on the original location for your convenience. A lot of new music to come also: horn ensemble, double concertos, pieces by Gallay, etudes, chamber music just to bring some variations to your programs. Most pieces will be available as MIDI file also. Be patient if I do not answer the same day, when you write in August, as I will be on vacations in very remote Tibet & Nepal (trecking), but reading email where available. Prof.Hans Pizka, Pf.1136 D-85541 Kirchheim - Germany Fax: 49 89 903-9414 Phone: 903-9548 home: www.pizka.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb
True, yet they play on the Bb side most of the time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Daniel Canarutto Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 9:48 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb I think that in Italy most professional players have horns standing in F, at least those whom I know. Daniel ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pandolfi%40deerfield.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb
I think that in Italy most professional players have horns standing in F, at least those whom I know. Daniel ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb
Exmple: the switch valve is intended to assist for big leaps upwards or downwards. Try and experience what works faster: activating the valve or releasing it ? Think about the psychic effect of "giving a kick" to jump. Just an example. But it should answer your questions. The other is tone colour preference. = -Original Message- Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 18:58:49 +0200 Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb From: "Julia H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: horn@music.memphis.edu Being only a lowly college student, I don't know a whole lot about horns standing in Bb versus horns standing in F. What would be considered advantages of each? Does anyone know why certain countries favor one or the other? Why do some people prefer one over the other? Thanks! J >From: Robert Fagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Horn List >To: The Horn List >Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb >Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 12:46:52 +0100 > >I bought an alex from the factory a couple of years ago and they set them >up standing in Bb by default unless you ask them for F. Everyone I know in >Ireland uses F though. > >Robert > > >On 8 May 2005, at 05:23, Loren wrote: > >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G >>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 4:41 PM >>To: The Horn List >>Subject: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb >> >>Hi, >> >>Just out of curiousity...how many of you play a double horn that stands >>in Bb as opposed to F? >> >>Gary >>___ >>post: horn@music.memphis.edu >>unsubscribe or set options at >>http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us >> >>___ >>post: horn@music.memphis.edu >>unsubscribe or set options at >>http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/faganr%40tcd.ie >> > >___ >post: horn@music.memphis.edu >unsubscribe or set options at >http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/horn_player_4%40hotmail.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb
Being only a lowly college student, I don't know a whole lot about horns standing in Bb versus horns standing in F. What would be considered advantages of each? Does anyone know why certain countries favor one or the other? Why do some people prefer one over the other? Thanks! J From: Robert Fagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Horn List To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 12:46:52 +0100 I bought an alex from the factory a couple of years ago and they set them up standing in Bb by default unless you ask them for F. Everyone I know in Ireland uses F though. Robert On 8 May 2005, at 05:23, Loren wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 4:41 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb Hi, Just out of curiousity...how many of you play a double horn that stands in Bb as opposed to F? Gary ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/faganr%40tcd.ie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/horn_player_4%40hotmail.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb/Triples
I think to take full advantage of the...advantages of a triple is play it as it was intended: resting in B-flat. Having said that, there are certainly some advantages to playing a triple resting in low F. The biggest advantage is not having to relearn standard double fingerings. To me, that's important enough to lose some access to the high F side. One downside is that different models of triples are better suited for this than others. Yamaha does this fairly easily because of the adjustable paddles and the Schmid high F model would work well for someone with larger hands, but it was ergonomically impossble for me to use a Schmidt Eb triple resting in low F. I've never had a chance to play a Paxman or Alex triple. When my teacher in undergrad bought a triple, I was pretty surprised that he was able to work the horn well resting in low F. The thumb paddles on his triple are adjustable, and you can set it up so that when you push down the B-flat, you can slip your thumb over the high F. It's much easier for my teacher to do it than I can because of my small hands, but it's pretty easy to push it down for an isolated note, like at the end of the duet in new world. Not easy to let go for me though! Another way to think about it is having a descant and a double in one. For pieces that would benefit from extensive use of the high F side, a simple change to resting in B-flat makes gives unlimited access to the high F side if it is needed. Chris --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 5/7/2005 9:20:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > If more teachers believed there might be a triple in their students' > future and understood the advantage of playing a triple with the double side > lying in Bb, they would encourage their students to play their doubles lying > in Bb at the earliest opportunity so as to eliminate one part of the > learning curve in switching to a triple in the middle of a career. I > believe, but obviously do not have any empirical evidence, that this > learning curve is what keeps some pros from taking on the triple and risking > their career while they learn to play it; Mr Myers is certainly a notable > exception. > > > > Hi Loren, > > Hope all is well with you. > > I don't follow the logic on the above. I play triples that stand in F > the same as my doubles. Using this method, I believe the only > learning curve associated with learning the triple is learning where > and when to use the hi F side. My thumb has a mind of its own > and it thinks it needs to push when the Bb horn is employed. I > don't think there is a need to change that conditioned reaction > just because it's now playing a triple. > > I guess I don't see the "advantage of playing a triple with the > double side lying in Bb". I seems to me that it would be easier > to learn the triple if the triple stood in the key one is used to. > Is there a significant advantage to a horn standing Bb rather > than F especially regarding the triple? > > BTW, looking forward to seeing you in Tuscaloosa. Johannes > should have my overhauled Finke triple there and I would > appreciate your comments regarding the horn. > > Regards, Jerry (never too Old to learn) in Kansas City > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com > __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb
The advantage of lying the double part of a triple in Bb, as another lister has already stated, is that one can easily switch from F to f by holding the F thumb valve in and only moving one thumb valve, the f valve. I do this frequently for two reasons, 1) take advantage of easier fingering for difficult passages that bounce back and forth between the upper and other registers, and 2) easier jumps or runs into the low register on certain passages. When you need a very low note to speak fast and crisp, if it is available on the f horn, that can be a godsend, especially if you have been just been playing a lot of high stuff as frequently happens when playing principal. The rest of the time your point is valid--you can play the triple either way, but when it is lying in Bb there are more advantages than when lying in F so why not take full advantage of the triple and not just partial? Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:03 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb In a message dated 5/7/2005 9:20:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If more teachers believed there might be a triple in their students' future and understood the advantage of playing a triple with the double side lying in Bb, they would encourage their students to play their doubles lying in Bb at the earliest opportunity so as to eliminate one part of the learning curve in switching to a triple in the middle of a career. I believe, but obviously do not have any empirical evidence, that this learning curve is what keeps some pros from taking on the triple and risking their career while they learn to play it; Mr Myers is certainly a notable exception. Hi Loren, Hope all is well with you. I don't follow the logic on the above. I play triples that stand in F the same as my doubles. Using this method, I believe the only learning curve associated with learning the triple is learning where and when to use the hi F side. My thumb has a mind of its own and it thinks it needs to push when the Bb horn is employed. I don't think there is a need to change that conditioned reaction just because it's now playing a triple. I guess I don't see the "advantage of playing a triple with the double side lying in Bb". I seems to me that it would be easier to learn the triple if the triple stood in the key one is used to. Is there a significant advantage to a horn standing Bb rather than F especially regarding the triple? BTW, looking forward to seeing you in Tuscaloosa. Johannes should have my overhauled Finke triple there and I would appreciate your comments regarding the horn. Regards, Jerry (never too Old to learn) in Kansas City ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb
Horns standing in Bb were standard in the Dallas area in the 1960s. I switched to standing in F when I got my own horn, not school issued. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb
In a message dated 5/7/2005 9:20:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If more teachers believed there might be a triple in their students' future and understood the advantage of playing a triple with the double side lying in Bb, they would encourage their students to play their doubles lying in Bb at the earliest opportunity so as to eliminate one part of the learning curve in switching to a triple in the middle of a career. I believe, but obviously do not have any empirical evidence, that this learning curve is what keeps some pros from taking on the triple and risking their career while they learn to play it; Mr Myers is certainly a notable exception. Hi Loren, Hope all is well with you. I don't follow the logic on the above. I play triples that stand in F the same as my doubles. Using this method, I believe the only learning curve associated with learning the triple is learning where and when to use the hi F side. My thumb has a mind of its own and it thinks it needs to push when the Bb horn is employed. I don't think there is a need to change that conditioned reaction just because it's now playing a triple. I guess I don't see the "advantage of playing a triple with the double side lying in Bb". I seems to me that it would be easier to learn the triple if the triple stood in the key one is used to. Is there a significant advantage to a horn standing Bb rather than F especially regarding the triple? BTW, looking forward to seeing you in Tuscaloosa. Johannes should have my overhauled Finke triple there and I would appreciate your comments regarding the horn. Regards, Jerry (never too Old to learn) in Kansas City ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: Re: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb
yes, yes, yes, that´s a common problem with those horn players who began playing a Bb-brass instrument completely different to the horn as Tuba (Yes, I know, Dr.Farkas began with Tuba also .), and owning one instrument after thze other never satisfied by their (real) horns, and the (ego) problem of popping out certain notes is that so important, just to please the ego ... isn´t music making teamwork I stuck with my first (self bought) double for at least ten years until I developed designed my own double 27 years ago, - and still stick to this horn. May-be it is a question of thze general approach to the horn .(no insult intended) -Original Message- Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 14:38:51 +0200 Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb From: Wilbert Kimple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Horn List --- G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Just out of curiousity...how many of you play a > double horn that stands > in Bb as opposed to F? > > Gary Bb all the way since 1965. I was a tuba major in college, but changed to horn my freshman year. My teacher was Forrest Standly, who played his Schmidt in Bb, and lent me one of his back up horns, which was also in Bb. Since that time I've owned Paxman, Hoyer, Knopf, Geyer, Alexander, Finke, Schmidt, Schmid and other horns, and they have all been in Bb. Doesn't matter if they are single, double, descant or triple horns, Bb works for me, even playing fourth part. Did Brahms 4th and Carmen Suites 1 & 2 on our last concert, and instead of my normal first position, I chose to play fourth. First has become boring after thirty-five years. No problem at all with my Alex triple. Those low Ds and even lower Gs popped right out. As my third player, who is quite young said, "Awsome." Wilbert in SC > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb
Robert Fagan wrote: I bought an alex from the factory a couple of years ago and they set them up standing in Bb by default unless you ask them for F. Everyone I know in Ireland uses F though. I thought it was interesting that even my Kalison single horn "stands in F," so to speak. It's one that I've mentioned here before, that's built as a C horn with a low G extension, and other valves that adjust it downwards so that it can become a C, B, Bb or A horn, with G, F#, F or E extension, respectively. The low extension is operated by one of the thumb valves, such that it's normally in place, and the thumb valve is pressed in order to *bypass* it. Thus, the overall effect is like a double horn that normally lies in F (when set for that key), and requires the thumb valve to change to Bb. Sort of an "ascending thumb valve," if you will. Other single Bb horns I've owned with a low F extension required pressing a valve in order to *engage* the low extension. It's easy to switch between the Kalison and my doubles (which lie in F), because that thumb valve does the same thing on both. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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--- G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Just out of curiousity...how many of you play a > double horn that stands > in Bb as opposed to F? > > Gary Bb all the way since 1965. I was a tuba major in college, but changed to horn my freshman year. My teacher was Forrest Standly, who played his Schmidt in Bb, and lent me one of his back up horns, which was also in Bb. Since that time I've owned Paxman, Hoyer, Knopf, Geyer, Alexander, Finke, Schmidt, Schmid and other horns, and they have all been in Bb. Doesn't matter if they are single, double, descant or triple horns, Bb works for me, even playing fourth part. Did Brahms 4th and Carmen Suites 1 & 2 on our last concert, and instead of my normal first position, I chose to play fourth. First has become boring after thirty-five years. No problem at all with my Alex triple. Those low Ds and even lower Gs popped right out. As my third player, who is quite young said, "Awsome." Wilbert in SC > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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The last new Alex I bought stood in F until I changed it. I'm UK based and most players over here have their, or did when I was last active professionally some 8 years ago, horns setup in F. Most seem to play on Bb side though, so end up keeping their thumb down most of the time. I was taught at college by principals of several London orchestras who either played Bb singles or Bb/f altos - 1 played a double which stood in F. My personal thoughts are that I don't play an ascending horn, nor to any sort of ascending "system", so why on earth would I not have my double stand in Bb? To stand in F after all means one of my valves becomes an ascending valve! Just my "tuppence" (2p), Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Fagan Sent: 08 May 2005 12:47 To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb I bought an alex from the factory a couple of years ago and they set them up standing in Bb by default unless you ask them for F. Everyone I know in Ireland uses F though. Robert On 8 May 2005, at 05:23, Loren wrote: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > G > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 4:41 PM > To: The Horn List > Subject: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb > > Hi, > > Just out of curiousity...how many of you play a double horn that > stands in Bb as opposed to F? > > Gary > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/faganr%40tcd.ie > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/amade%40lineone.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I bought an alex from the factory a couple of years ago and they set them up standing in Bb by default unless you ask them for F. Everyone I know in Ireland uses F though. Robert On 8 May 2005, at 05:23, Loren wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 4:41 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb Hi, Just out of curiousity...how many of you play a double horn that stands in Bb as opposed to F? Gary ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/faganr%40tcd.ie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I do. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 4:41 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb Hi, Just out of curiousity...how many of you play a double horn that stands in Bb as opposed to F? Gary ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Methinks Paul is doing more than guessing. In my travels US players seem to like their horns to lie mainly in F and European players mainly in Bb; as to the rest of the globe I can't say. I've noticed that American players who have professional careers in Europe can often play either way without getting confused. If more teachers believed there might be a triple in their students' future and understood the advantage of playing a triple with the double side lying in Bb, they would encourage their students to play their doubles lying in Bb at the earliest opportunity so as to eliminate one part of the learning curve in switching to a triple in the middle of a career. I believe, but obviously do not have any empirical evidence, that this learning curve is what keeps some pros from taking on the triple and risking their career while they learn to play it; Mr Myers is certainly a notable exception. If teachers encouraged their students to learn the double lying in Bb that would eliminate a big stumbling block to switching to the triple and perhaps more players would be willing to do so. Having F/Bb/f together on the same horn has playing advantages over either a double or a descant separately; with the lighter technology of today, some triples are no heavier that doubles were in past years. There is now available a fully adjustable horn support that holds the weight of the horn while playing either standing or sitting. If you ever get to hear Kerry Turner and Kristina perform on their triples using this support, you will no longer have a valid argument that triples are too heavy. Unfortunately I lost the web page reference for these supports; maybe some kind reader will post it. As for the sound and feel issues, we performed an interesting comparison at the Finke booth during the recent Western Horn Symposium at Las Vegas. We had a gold brass Brendan model double and a gold brass Brendan triple. Some players could tell a little difference which was hardly noticeable to a listener, and others had no detectable difference. So, at least for Finke, the triple compares very favorable to the double of the same model series, in part because the Finke triple is in fact a double horn with a separate alto f horn as opposed to a descant with a separate low F horn. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Mansur Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 5:58 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns that stand in F or Bb I'll guess that very few in the US but a lot in other countries. I have a double that stands in Bb but it is a European model that just seems to work better that way. Paul Mansur On Saturday, May 7, 2005, at 07:41 PM, G wrote: > Hi, > > Just out of curiousity...how many of you play a double horn that > stands in Bb as opposed to F? > > Gary > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I'll guess that very few in the US but a lot in other countries. I have a double that stands in Bb but it is a European model that just seems to work better that way. Paul Mansur On Saturday, May 7, 2005, at 07:41 PM, G wrote: Hi, Just out of curiousity...how many of you play a double horn that stands in Bb as opposed to F? Gary ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Hi, Just out of curiousity...how many of you play a double horn that stands in Bb as opposed to F? Gary ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horns on Planes.
Message text written by The Horn List >EPA (officially Eastern Provincial Airlaines) was more popularly known as 'E Put's 'er Anywhere for their willingness to land in the worst of Atlantic fogs. < Dear All Years ago, before the fall of the Iron Curtain, Opera North visited East Germany (East Berlin, Halle and Leipzig). I was not on the trip as it was Handel's Tamburlaine for which I was not required. About a week before they were due to fly to Berlin, we were rehearsing something else on payday; with the wage slips and next month's duty sheets, those going on the flight were given their travel itineraries. There were a lot of puzzled looks - "this can't be right, it does not take so long to fly to Berlin, someone has made a mistake". But they were told by the management - "we rang the airline - Interflug - and they assure us that this is correct". Then, a couple of days before departure someone came in brandishing a copy of 'Flight' magazine which carried a news item advising all aircraft photographers to get to Leeds/Bradford airport to see a certain type of Ilushyn aircraft which was obsolete and of which it had been thought there were no examples still flying. Yes - they were right - it was the plane taking them to Berlin. 'Interflug' was re-titled 'Interslug' by one wag and a couple of them were so frightened (especially coming home when they had cross winds) that they tried to avoid flying again and went by train and ferry to the next trip to Continental Europe. Regards Paul Kampen (W. Yorks UK) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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EPA (officially Eastern Provincial Airlaines) was more popularly known as 'E Put's 'er Anywhere for their willingness to land in the worst of Atlantic fogs. Kjellrun You must mean US Scareways. Cheers, Steven Ovitsky Santa Fe Chamber Music Festival Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Horns on Planes. Do you remember Agony Airlines AKA Allegheny? Now US Airways. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hestekin%40mun.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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You must mean US Scareways. Cheers, Steven Ovitsky Santa Fe Chamber Music Festival Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Horns on Planes. > Do you remember Agony Airlines AKA Allegheny? Now US Airways. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Well, if you are looking for airline names. From Europe: Air Chance BO Airline Corp. And from Latin America: SASAH - Stay at home, Stay Alive TACA - Take a Chance Airlines And from many year ago Air Nu'oc Mam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herbert Foster Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:00 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Horns on Planes. Do you remember Agony Airlines AKA Allegheny? Now US Airways. One foggy night we nearly landed on the Operations Shack in Parkersburg, OH. Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ah, yes, Trans-Texas Airlines. I remember that, it was popularly known as > Tree Top Airlines. > > Paul Mansur > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Do you remember Agony Airlines AKA Allegheny? Now US Airways. One foggy night we nearly landed on the Operations Shack in Parkersburg, OH. Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ah, yes, Trans-Texas Airlines. I remember that, it was popularly known as > Tree Top Airlines. > > Paul Mansur > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horns on Planes.
Ah, yes, Trans-Texas Airlines. I remember that, it was popularly known as Tree Top Airlines. Paul Mansur > My first experience with flying with a horn happened to be back in the > "dream time." It was on a DC-3 flown by Trans-Texas Airlines. Horn would > fit just under the seat with bell behind my legs. The flight happened to be > one of those "brushes with fame" moments; Van Cliburn was on the plane as > well. I would point out he did not try to carry his piano with him. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > matthew scheffelman > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:48 PM > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Subject: [Hornlist] Horns on Planes. > > Making a plane reservation a couple years ago , I > asked about the size of the plane, overhead space, > etc, the operator gave me some good dimensions and > said my instrument would fit fine. When I walked on > the plane, I was suprised it was United airlines > Largest plane, I think it was the 777. What a great > ride!!! More room in the overhead than my fixed bell > horn and backpack could fill. > > [ . . . ] > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horns on Planes.
My first experience with flying with a horn happened to be back in the "dream time." It was on a DC-3 flown by Trans-Texas Airlines. Horn would fit just under the seat with bell behind my legs. The flight happened to be one of those "brushes with fame" moments; Van Cliburn was on the plane as well. I would point out he did not try to carry his piano with him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of matthew scheffelman Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:48 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Horns on Planes. Making a plane reservation a couple years ago , I asked about the size of the plane, overhead space, etc, the operator gave me some good dimensions and said my instrument would fit fine. When I walked on the plane, I was suprised it was United airlines Largest plane, I think it was the 777. What a great ride!!! More room in the overhead than my fixed bell horn and backpack could fill. [ . . . ] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns on Planes.
Making a plane reservation a couple years ago , I asked about the size of the plane, overhead space, etc, the operator gave me some good dimensions and said my instrument would fit fine. When I walked on the plane, I was suprised it was United airlines Largest plane, I think it was the 777. What a great ride!!! More room in the overhead than my fixed bell horn and backpack could fill. I have had good experience on airlines with my fixed bell horns. My first trip ever was on Northwest airlines and they actually put my horn in the cockpit with the pilot. The captian had me open up my case, then said, "why don't you play me something" right there in the walkway. Very cool. That was 15 years ago and yes, things have changed, but more often than not I get a closet or it fits in a overhead. Sometimes I do have some anxious staff, but I use healthy doses of California LOVE to make their day,,, this usally works in relaxing them and securing a good space.(hehe waiting for a good cabbage on that one). Matthew Scheffelman Horn __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns - The Universal "Cor"rency (was: Schmid Stop Arms)
I'd be happy to find a new car for that price... -William In a message dated 3/19/2005 3:14:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to the U. S. government's Consumer Price Index Inflation Calculator (http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl), $200 in 1935 had the same buying power as $2783.94 today. I think most of us would be pretty happy to find a brand new custom horn for that kind of price :-) Dan ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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On Mar 19, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Ray & Sonja Crenshaw wrote: Considering how nice some of those early 20th century horns are, and how inexpensive they were as Geyers sold for about $200.00 in the thirties Paul, while I'm not exactly ***disagreeing*** with you, we need to put that into context and, perhaps, shock you. A new Ford Model-T sold in the $300-range in the twenties. Let's assume the $200 Geyer price is correct and go with it. That would mean that the 1930 correction formula would be (roughly), NEW CAR x 0.7 = NEW HORN According to the U. S. government's Consumer Price Index Inflation Calculator (http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl), $200 in 1935 had the same buying power as $2783.94 today. I think most of us would be pretty happy to find a brand new custom horn for that kind of price :-) Dan ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns - The Universal "Cor"rency (was: Schmid Stop Arms)
> Considering how nice some of those early 20th century horns are, and > how inexpensive they were as Geyers sold for about $200.00 in the > thirties Paul, while I'm not exactly ***disagreeing*** with you, we need to put that into context and, perhaps, shock you. A new Ford Model-T sold in the $300-range in the twenties. Let's assume the $200 Geyer price is correct and go with it. That would mean that the 1930 correction formula would be (roughly), NEW CAR x 0.7 = NEW HORN So, I think the average new car price in the US today is around $25,000. Applying our Official Correction Factor would tell us that a "new" Geyer should cost, (sound of gears turning...) $25,000 x 0.7 = (yikes!) $17,500 Which--of course--makes my new $9,000 Lawson the Steal/Deal of the century; both this one AND the last! jrc PS: My combination Cajun/American Indian blood makes me appreciate a good deal, so perhaps I'll get on the phone and order a couple more Lawsons as a hedge against inflation! As for investments: What else compares with a great horn for universal acceptability around the world? My advice? Don't leave home without it! ~r ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horns and the Super Bowl
Ach so! I missed that - font on my computer, old eyes, insufficiently attentive mind; the usual suspects. Mea culpa! -S- > -Original Message- > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > du] On Behalf Of Mark Louttit > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:27 AM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns and the Super Bowl > > Steve, > > Yes that is why I referred to it as Superbowl I (Roman > numerals have always been used) > > Mark L. > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridaysc > omputer.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Steve, Yes that is why I referred to it as Superbowl I (Roman numerals have always been used) Mark L. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Wasn't that the first year of the Superbowl? Steve "not a football fan, either" Freides > -Original Message- > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > du] On Behalf Of Mark Louttit > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:52 AM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horns and the Super Bowl > > That is an interesting story. For what it is worth (about > two cents) I played an Alto horn at Super Bowl I in Los > Angeles (Green Bay Packers vs. > Kansas City Chiefs) way back in January of 1967 as a member > of the University of Arizona Symphonic Marching Band. The > Grambling College Marching Band was also there and shared the > half-time honors. Everything went well and the half-time show > featured trumpeter Al Hirt (who kept his clothes on !) > > Super Bowl I was widely chastised by many sports writers as > unnecessary, at that time there was only one "true" football > league and that was the NFL (this long before the AFL merged > with the NFL to create two conferences). > There were whole sections of the Los Angeles Coliseum that > were empty, tickets on game day could be purchased at the > gate. How times have changed ! > > Although not a prolific sports fan and more of a marching > band refugee than anything else, I'll still say : GO PATRIOTS > !! (apologies to non-US readers who don't "get" or have no > interest in American football, but then again we in the US > don't really "get" the brand of football the rest of the > world plays...perhaps that is changing, then again, perhaps not.) > > Mark L. > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridaysc > omputer.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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That is an interesting story. For what it is worth (about two cents) I played an Alto horn at Super Bowl I in Los Angeles (Green Bay Packers vs. Kansas City Chiefs) way back in January of 1967 as a member of the University of Arizona Symphonic Marching Band. The Grambling College Marching Band was also there and shared the half-time honors. Everything went well and the half-time show featured trumpeter Al Hirt (who kept his clothes on !) Super Bowl I was widely chastised by many sports writers as unnecessary, at that time there was only one "true" football league and that was the NFL (this long before the AFL merged with the NFL to create two conferences). There were whole sections of the Los Angeles Coliseum that were empty, tickets on game day could be purchased at the gate. How times have changed ! Although not a prolific sports fan and more of a marching band refugee than anything else, I'll still say : GO PATRIOTS !! (apologies to non-US readers who don't "get" or have no interest in American football, but then again we in the US don't really "get" the brand of football the rest of the world plays...perhaps that is changing, then again, perhaps not.) Mark L. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns and the Super Bowl
My knowledge of football is limited to much time served with marching bands, but found a very interesting article in today's newspaper regarding the advantages of being a band member. It was concerning New England Patriots kicker Adam Vinatieri,whose talents seem vital in Sunday's upcoming Super Bowl. Seems that Adam might not be here at all if his grea-great grandfather,Felix Vinatieri,has not been Bandmaster..who did NOT go along with General George Armstrong Custer to the battle of Little Big Horn. Custer wanted the Band to accompany him to battle but was overruled by Brigadier Alfred Terry,who knew they were going into hostile territory and ordered the band to stay put and mind the fort. Good decision! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns on airlines
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For what it's worth, I have found that my horn case just fits in the
overhead compartments of an Airbus 320, but not a 747 by a fraction of an
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Re: [Hornlist] Horns on airlines
I've experienced similar situations in which every time I've flown with a horn it's been different. The most recent time I flew was the easiest. I had a plan in mind before I got on after my trip to my location was not horn condusive. I boarded the small propeller plane last in case I would need to place my horn in a locker. I explained to the flight attendant that I was previously unaware that I would be flying on a smaller plane, and that my horn case, while it fits larger planes, is unlikely to fit on the smaller planes. I said if there were any empty seats, I could belted it down in on, or store it on the floor beneath. I then said that I am unable to check it under the plane because of it's fragile and expensive nature and I asked if there was a uniform locker that I could place it in until the flight was over. Maybe she was having a good day or was just a nice person in general, but she had no problem with me putting my horn in the locker and all was good. Chris --- Brent Shires <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Season's Bleatings to you all. > > I thought you might find this information useful since the ugly topic > of traveling by air with horns has lifted off once again. I have had > wonderful, and other times merciless, treatment from the airlines with > my instrument. There seems to be no rhyme or reason why the individual > airlines choose to allow a horn onboard one day and not the next. There > are, of course, some obvious reasons, including how full the flight is, > the size of the cabin and its storage space, and how rude the customer > has been to the gate attendants. But there is still no consistency > within an airline, let alone the same daily flight. In the past, when I > used a hard case, I could often simply request to pre-board with my horn > and find a space, and that worked really well (the closets up front are > great). Other times I've been told to board with everyone else, and > still other times they've insisted that the hard-case horn be packed > down below with the snarling dogs. Since I bought my Thompson Edition > case, I've rarely had trouble getting it cabinside. > > Travelling to Spain with my horn studio this summer demonstrated these > difficulties. Our travel agent had made arrangements early on with Delta > to take good care of the 14 horns going with us, by handling them as > fragile if they could not go above board. Some hard cases got on, some > were required to go below. While sitting on the tarmac waiting, we > watched in abject horror as cargo workers hurled the horns onto the > belt. this AFTER I had spoken with the check-in people about the > necessity of handling them as fragile. I will probably not fly Delta > again, at least not on my own tab. > > This information is taken from the website of the American Federation > of Musicians (www.afm.org): > > ***Musical Instruments As Carry-On Luggage > Since 9-11 and the resulting heightened airport security, musicians > have had difficulties carrying their instruments to out of town gigs. To > remedy this, AFM worked with Congress to insure that the 2001 Airport > Security Act contained language encouraging security personnel to > accommodate musicians and their instruments. When it was found that, in > spite of this language, musicians were still having problems at the > airports, the AFM persuaded the U.S. Transportation Security > Administration (TSA) to issue a directive to its personnel requiring > them to accommodate musicians. The resulting TSA letter has practically > eliminated problems with government screeners, but musicians are still > having difficulties with the airlines, who are not covered by the TSA > directive. To remedy this, the AFM is negotiating with the airlines > through their trade association, the Air Transport association (ATA), to > make it easier for musicians to travel with their instruments. Both > letters can be downloaded by members only below. > 1st TSA letter > 2nd TSA letter > Our members still have problems, however, with some of the airlines. > The AFM continues to work with individual airlines to clarify their > respective policies and ensure they are communicated clearly and > enforced consistently. Until we achieve this, the best line of defense > is to know the policy of the airline on which you'll be traveling. To > facilitate this process, we have included links to individual airline > policies on our website. Also, please take a minute to read "Travel Tips > for Airlines" http://www.afm.org/member/traveltips.htm . This document > contains helpful suggestions and is updated periodically. > > Links to individual airline policies: > http://www.afm.org/public/departments/airline_links.php > For more information, please contact: > > Hal Ponder - Legislative Director > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (202) 463-0772 > Fax: (202) 466-9009 > > Eric Beers - Symphonic Services > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 869-1330 xt. 211 > Fax: (212) 764-6134 > > > Bren
[Hornlist] Horns on airlines
Season's Bleatings to you all. I thought you might find this information useful since the ugly topic of traveling by air with horns has lifted off once again. I have had wonderful, and other times merciless, treatment from the airlines with my instrument. There seems to be no rhyme or reason why the individual airlines choose to allow a horn onboard one day and not the next. There are, of course, some obvious reasons, including how full the flight is, the size of the cabin and its storage space, and how rude the customer has been to the gate attendants. But there is still no consistency within an airline, let alone the same daily flight. In the past, when I used a hard case, I could often simply request to pre-board with my horn and find a space, and that worked really well (the closets up front are great). Other times I've been told to board with everyone else, and still other times they've insisted that the hard-case horn be packed down below with the snarling dogs. Since I bought my Thompson Edition case, I've rarely had trouble getting it cabinside. Travelling to Spain with my horn studio this summer demonstrated these difficulties. Our travel agent had made arrangements early on with Delta to take good care of the 14 horns going with us, by handling them as fragile if they could not go above board. Some hard cases got on, some were required to go below. While sitting on the tarmac waiting, we watched in abject horror as cargo workers hurled the horns onto the belt. this AFTER I had spoken with the check-in people about the necessity of handling them as fragile. I will probably not fly Delta again, at least not on my own tab. This information is taken from the website of the American Federation of Musicians (www.afm.org): ***Musical Instruments As Carry-On Luggage Since 9-11 and the resulting heightened airport security, musicians have had difficulties carrying their instruments to out of town gigs. To remedy this, AFM worked with Congress to insure that the 2001 Airport Security Act contained language encouraging security personnel to accommodate musicians and their instruments. When it was found that, in spite of this language, musicians were still having problems at the airports, the AFM persuaded the U.S. Transportation Security Administration (TSA) to issue a directive to its personnel requiring them to accommodate musicians. The resulting TSA letter has practically eliminated problems with government screeners, but musicians are still having difficulties with the airlines, who are not covered by the TSA directive. To remedy this, the AFM is negotiating with the airlines through their trade association, the Air Transport association (ATA), to make it easier for musicians to travel with their instruments. Both letters can be downloaded by members only below. 1st TSA letter 2nd TSA letter Our members still have problems, however, with some of the airlines. The AFM continues to work with individual airlines to clarify their respective policies and ensure they are communicated clearly and enforced consistently. Until we achieve this, the best line of defense is to know the policy of the airline on which you'll be traveling. To facilitate this process, we have included links to individual airline policies on our website. Also, please take a minute to read "Travel Tips for Airlines" http://www.afm.org/member/traveltips.htm . This document contains helpful suggestions and is updated periodically. Links to individual airline policies: http://www.afm.org/public/departments/airline_links.php For more information, please contact: Hal Ponder - Legislative Director [EMAIL PROTECTED] (202) 463-0772 Fax: (202) 466-9009 Eric Beers - Symphonic Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 869-1330 xt. 211 Fax: (212) 764-6134 Brent A. Shires Horn Instructor, University of Central Arkansas Studio Phone: 501-450-5768 Cell Phone: 501-472-3350 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.arkansashorn.org ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns-a-Plenty
Message text written by The Horn List >They are the UK dealers for Dürk Horns. < Dear All I understand that they no longer represent Durk in the UK (this information was from a telephone conversation with Alan Wiltshire about a month ago). Regards Paul A. Kampen (W. Yorks UK) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns-a-Plenty
I actually emailed them once and they mentioned the horn was sold. I don't think the website is kept up to date, but calling or emailing them is your best bet to find out the current stock. Chris --- Wilbert Kimple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tried buying three different horns from them > about six months ago. It turned out that all three > had been sold, but were still being listed on both > their web site, and on hornplayer.net. > > Here it is six months later, and all three horns > are still listed as for sale. Guess they need to > do some work in that department. > > Wilbert in SC > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horns-a-Plenty
I bought a Natural Horn*** from Horns-a-plenty two years ago, and had my
Paxman model 40 overhauled by Alan fairly recently. Both transactions were
entirely satisfactory. I'm not sure why Alan doesn't keep his website up to
date - I'm sure he would do more business if he did. He does like to chat
when you get him on the phone though,so don't ring him if you're in a hurry
:-)
Tim Costen
*** the instrument Tony Halstead used for his recordings of the Mozart
concerti and Weber Concertino. Pity it doesn't sound so good when I play it
!
--On Friday, September 10, 2004 15:04:59 +0200 Benno Heinemann
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I noticed that when they sold two horns for me last year, the horns
didn't appear on their web listing. On the other hand, they did sell the
horns quite quickly and for a good price.
Horns-a-plenty is run by Alan Wiltshire and Tony Halstead. They are the
UK dealers for Dürk Horns. ("Finest horns on the Planet")
best Wishes,
Benno
On Friday, September 10, 2004, at 01:53 PM, Wilbert Kimple wrote:
I tried buying three different horns from them
about six months ago. It turned out that all three
had been sold, but were still being listed on both
their web site, and on hornplayer.net.
Here it is six months later, and all three horns
are still listed as for sale. Guess they need to
do some work in that department.
Wilbert in SC
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Re: [Hornlist] Horns-a-Plenty
I noticed that when they sold two horns for me last year, the horns
didn't appear on their web listing.
On the other hand, they did sell the horns quite quickly and for a good
price.
Horns-a-plenty is run by Alan Wiltshire and Tony Halstead. They are the
UK dealers for Dürk Horns. ("Finest horns on the Planet")
best Wishes,
Benno
On Friday, September 10, 2004, at 01:53 PM, Wilbert Kimple wrote:
I tried buying three different horns from them
about six months ago. It turned out that all three
had been sold, but were still being listed on both
their web site, and on hornplayer.net.
Here it is six months later, and all three horns
are still listed as for sale. Guess they need to
do some work in that department.
Wilbert in SC
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Re: [Hornlist] Horns-a-Plenty
I tried buying three different horns from them about six months ago. It turned out that all three had been sold, but were still being listed on both their web site, and on hornplayer.net. Here it is six months later, and all three horns are still listed as for sale. Guess they need to do some work in that department. Wilbert in SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns-a-Plenty
Hello All, I finally clicked on the Horns-a-Plenty (hornsaplenty.com) link on hornplayer.net, and am extremely impressed with their offers. They seem like they are an excellent place to buy a horn, yet I don't recall them ever being discussed on the list in my time here (and nobody has discussed them in the archives either). Has anyone on the list ever used them before to buy a new horn? I'd be interested in hearing about your experiences with them. Reply off-list (unless others of you are interested in this as well) so as to not crowd the already crowded hornlist! Thanks! Steven Slaff ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horns on the march
On Wednesday, September 8, 2004, at 07:11 PM, carol everson wrote: Thank you to the hornlisters who replied to my queries concerning marching with a french horn. I am still welcoming any and all advice that is forthcoming. My main problem apart from the technical issues is that we march in up to 90+ degrees of heat and humidity here in the Caribbean, and the mouthpiece tries to slide all over my face.To those whose answer was "Don't do it"', I am afraid that as an enlisted soldier I can't use that option! I was inspired by Gary Suits' article concerning marching with the US Marine Band elsewhere on the site, and would really appreciate the chance to correspond with him further. Thank you to all who entertain and educate me on this excellent site; Roscoe. Dear Roscoe: Marching and playing with a horn is a formidable task. The best way to carry a horn while marching is in the case. But, if you HAVE to play it, learn to march without striking your heels on the ground. Some folk learn to fake marching with a sort of "glide" step. My way is to march on the balls of my feet without bumping the heels of your shoes on the ground or pavement. Often you must raise your knees fairly high to match others in your unit; making the glide step an impossibility. Marching on your toes can smooth out your body movement so that you can actually hold the mouthpiece on your lips and produce some semblance of actually playing. At least, it should be enough to get the sergeant off your back! Good luck! CORdially, Mansur's Answers ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
