Re: [Hornlist] Hoyer 5802 CK
Laura; I have a 5802CK I purchased from Ken Pope at IHS '09. I love it and the intonation is fine. Leigh Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Laura Briney wrote: I am looking at buying this model and I'm looking for any information from anyone who has had any experience with this horn. Any and all information would be helpful. Thank you. ~Laura B. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Hoyer 5802 CK
If this a Systemic design issue maybe the Hoyer folks should be talking replacement as opposed to longer slides Debbie Schmidt Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Tina Barkan wrote: Yes, as far as I know all of the Hoyer folks at the show, including their engineer, played all of the PMAL's that were there and found them to be sharp. I know that the Hoyer engineer was on the phone with their factory in Germany immediately after he tested the horns so something is definitely amiss in Hoyerland. Tina On Jun 29, 2009, at 3:19 PM, John Kowalchuk wrote: Were all these horns sharp when others played them? John Kowalchuk Maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://kowalchukmutes.com Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+hornontario=yahoo...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn- bounces+hornontario=yahoo...@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Tina Barkan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:02 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Hoyer 5802 CK They're pulled all the way out and the horn's still sharp. :( With all the slides pushed in the horn's at 452. For a European horn I would have expected around 445. The Hoyer engineer who was there from Germany agreed that the horn was too sharp. I think what surprised them was that all the 5801 PMAL's there were equally sharp. Tina On Jun 29, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jeremy Cucco wrote: I'm curious... I tried a couple 5802s in Macomb - both were pretty well in tune and both were quite fine instruments. Granted, I did have the main slides pulled about an inch each, but I wouldn't want it any other way. (What if the orchestra tunes sharp or drifts sharp?) Are your main slides pulled more than an inch to get the horn in pitch? Cheers- Jeremy Tina Barkan wrote: Hi Laura, I have a 5801 PMAL that I bought in December 08. The horn has a lovely sound and great valves but it is significantly sharp. At IHS, all of the Hoyer horns of this model (I don't know if they checked their other models) were sharp. Hoyer is making new tuning slides for me but I would have rather had a horn that wasn't sharp to begin with. I would check the horn you get very carefully. Sincerely, Tina 4th Chair Shoreham Wading River Community Band 4th Chair Riverhead Monday Night Band www.newhornist.com On Jun 29, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Laura Briney wrote: I am looking at buying this model and I'm looking for any information from anyone who has had any experience with this horn. Any and all information would be helpful. Thank you. ~Laura B. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tina.barkan%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tina.barkan%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornontario %40yahoo.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tina.barkan%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jasoncat%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Hoyer 5802 CK
Yes, as far as I know all of the Hoyer folks at the show, including their engineer, played all of the PMAL's that were there and found them to be sharp. I know that the Hoyer engineer was on the phone with their factory in Germany immediately after he tested the horns so something is definitely amiss in Hoyerland. Tina On Jun 29, 2009, at 3:19 PM, John Kowalchuk wrote: Were all these horns sharp when others played them? John Kowalchuk Maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://kowalchukmutes.com Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+hornontario=yahoo...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn- bounces+hornontario=yahoo...@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Tina Barkan Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:02 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Hoyer 5802 CK They're pulled all the way out and the horn's still sharp. :( With all the slides pushed in the horn's at 452. For a European horn I would have expected around 445. The Hoyer engineer who was there from Germany agreed that the horn was too sharp. I think what surprised them was that all the 5801 PMAL's there were equally sharp. Tina On Jun 29, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jeremy Cucco wrote: I'm curious... I tried a couple 5802s in Macomb - both were pretty well in tune and both were quite fine instruments. Granted, I did have the main slides pulled about an inch each, but I wouldn't want it any other way. (What if the orchestra tunes sharp or drifts sharp?) Are your main slides pulled more than an inch to get the horn in pitch? Cheers- Jeremy Tina Barkan wrote: Hi Laura, I have a 5801 PMAL that I bought in December 08. The horn has a lovely sound and great valves but it is significantly sharp. At IHS, all of the Hoyer horns of this model (I don't know if they checked their other models) were sharp. Hoyer is making new tuning slides for me but I would have rather had a horn that wasn't sharp to begin with. I would check the horn you get very carefully. Sincerely, Tina 4th Chair Shoreham Wading River Community Band 4th Chair Riverhead Monday Night Band www.newhornist.com On Jun 29, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Laura Briney wrote: I am looking at buying this model and I'm looking for any information from anyone who has had any experience with this horn. Any and all information would be helpful. Thank you. ~Laura B. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tina.barkan %40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tina.barkan %40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornontario%40yahoo.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tina.barkan%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Hoyer 5802 CK
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 21:19, John Kowalchuk wrote: > Were all these horns sharp when others played them? > > John Kowalchuk > Maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes > Oshawa, Ontario http://kowalchukmutes.com > > Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. > > I have a 6801, not a 5801/2, but it too is pretty sharp. The main slide is out for about 2/3rds to 3/4 of its total length, and even then I've also had to adjust myself to play lower in the slots than I was used to on my Alex 103 Michiel van der Linden, Bruges, Belgium ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Hoyer 5802 CK
Were all these horns sharp when others played them? John Kowalchuk Maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://kowalchukmutes.com Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. > -Original Message- > From: horn-bounces+hornontario=yahoo...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn- > bounces+hornontario=yahoo...@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Tina Barkan > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:02 PM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Hoyer 5802 CK > > They're pulled all the way out and the horn's still sharp. :( With > all the slides pushed in the horn's at 452. For a European horn I > would have expected around 445. The Hoyer engineer who was there from > Germany agreed that the horn was too sharp. I think what surprised > them was that all the 5801 PMAL's there were equally sharp. > > Tina > > On Jun 29, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jeremy Cucco wrote: > > > I'm curious... > > I tried a couple 5802s in Macomb - both were pretty well in tune and > > both were quite fine instruments. Granted, I did have the main > > slides pulled about an inch each, but I wouldn't want it any other > > way. (What if the orchestra tunes sharp or drifts sharp?) > > > > Are your main slides pulled more than an inch to get the horn in > > pitch? > > Cheers- > > Jeremy > > > > Tina Barkan wrote: > >> Hi Laura, > >> > >> I have a 5801 PMAL that I bought in December 08. The horn has a > >> lovely sound and great valves but it is significantly sharp. At > >> IHS, all of the Hoyer horns of this model (I don't know if they > >> checked their other models) were sharp. Hoyer is making new tuning > >> slides for me but I would have rather had a horn that wasn't sharp > >> to begin with. I would check the horn you get very carefully. > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> Tina > >> > >> 4th Chair Shoreham Wading River Community Band > >> 4th Chair Riverhead Monday Night Band > >> www.newhornist.com > >> > >> > >> On Jun 29, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Laura Briney wrote: > >> > >>> I am looking at buying this model and I'm looking for any > >>> information from anyone who has had any experience with this horn. > >>> Any and all information would be helpful. Thank you. > >>> > >>> ~Laura B. > >>> ___ > >>> post: horn@music.memphis.edu > >>> unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tina.barkan%40gmail.com > >> > >> ___ > >> post: horn@music.memphis.edu > >> unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com > >> > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tina.barkan%40gmail.com > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornontario%40yahoo.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Hoyer 5802 CK
They're pulled all the way out and the horn's still sharp. :( With all the slides pushed in the horn's at 452. For a European horn I would have expected around 445. The Hoyer engineer who was there from Germany agreed that the horn was too sharp. I think what surprised them was that all the 5801 PMAL's there were equally sharp. Tina On Jun 29, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Jeremy Cucco wrote: I'm curious... I tried a couple 5802s in Macomb - both were pretty well in tune and both were quite fine instruments. Granted, I did have the main slides pulled about an inch each, but I wouldn't want it any other way. (What if the orchestra tunes sharp or drifts sharp?) Are your main slides pulled more than an inch to get the horn in pitch? Cheers- Jeremy Tina Barkan wrote: Hi Laura, I have a 5801 PMAL that I bought in December 08. The horn has a lovely sound and great valves but it is significantly sharp. At IHS, all of the Hoyer horns of this model (I don't know if they checked their other models) were sharp. Hoyer is making new tuning slides for me but I would have rather had a horn that wasn't sharp to begin with. I would check the horn you get very carefully. Sincerely, Tina 4th Chair Shoreham Wading River Community Band 4th Chair Riverhead Monday Night Band www.newhornist.com On Jun 29, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Laura Briney wrote: I am looking at buying this model and I'm looking for any information from anyone who has had any experience with this horn. Any and all information would be helpful. Thank you. ~Laura B. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tina.barkan%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tina.barkan%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Hoyer 5802 CK
I'm curious... I tried a couple 5802s in Macomb - both were pretty well in tune and both were quite fine instruments. Granted, I did have the main slides pulled about an inch each, but I wouldn't want it any other way. (What if the orchestra tunes sharp or drifts sharp?) Are your main slides pulled more than an inch to get the horn in pitch? Cheers- Jeremy Tina Barkan wrote: Hi Laura, I have a 5801 PMAL that I bought in December 08. The horn has a lovely sound and great valves but it is significantly sharp. At IHS, all of the Hoyer horns of this model (I don't know if they checked their other models) were sharp. Hoyer is making new tuning slides for me but I would have rather had a horn that wasn't sharp to begin with. I would check the horn you get very carefully. Sincerely, Tina 4th Chair Shoreham Wading River Community Band 4th Chair Riverhead Monday Night Band www.newhornist.com On Jun 29, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Laura Briney wrote: I am looking at buying this model and I'm looking for any information from anyone who has had any experience with this horn. Any and all information would be helpful. Thank you. ~Laura B. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tina.barkan%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Hoyer 5802 CK
Hi Laura, I have a 5801 PMAL that I bought in December 08. The horn has a lovely sound and great valves but it is significantly sharp. At IHS, all of the Hoyer horns of this model (I don't know if they checked their other models) were sharp. Hoyer is making new tuning slides for me but I would have rather had a horn that wasn't sharp to begin with. I would check the horn you get very carefully. Sincerely, Tina 4th Chair Shoreham Wading River Community Band 4th Chair Riverhead Monday Night Band www.newhornist.com On Jun 29, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Laura Briney wrote: I am looking at buying this model and I'm looking for any information from anyone who has had any experience with this horn. Any and all information would be helpful. Thank you. ~Laura B. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tina.barkan%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Hoyer 5802 CK
I am looking at buying this model and I'm looking for any information from anyone who has had any experience with this horn. Any and all information would be helpful. Thank you. ~Laura B. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
