Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
Paul Mansur wrote: > Among some users of Bb horns, consider these names: Harold Meek, > Willem Valkenier, Peter Damm, Mike Thompson, Ifor James, Alan Civil, > and a host of others as well as Dennis Brain. For a time the Berlin > Phil section was all Bb horns. > CORdially, Paul Mansur > Some additional names: Arkady Yegudkin, the legendary horn teacher at the Eastman School, played a single Bb horn as principal in the Rochester Philharmonic. It was a wonderful instrument. This horn probably influenced Harold Meek to play a Bb horn in the Rochester Philharmonic and Boston Symphony, since he studied with Yegudkin. "The General" either gave or sold his horn to one of his students, Harvey Garber (much to the chagrin of Yegudkin's other students). Harvey became principal horn in the San Antonio Symphony, and ultimately donated the horn back to the Eastman School. Another Bb horn user was Wendell Hoss, who was principal horn with the Rochester, Los Angeles, Chicago, Cleveland, NBC, and Pittsburgh symphonies, and became a coveted studio musician in Hollywood. Hoss, of course, was a founder of IHS and the Los Angeles Horn Club. His Bb horn is now owned by Peter Kurau at the Eastman School. Charles Valenza ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
Not necessarily! You'd be amazed at some of the patces I've seen on bells; and they still work well. I've seen patches on some very old horns used by professionals. Paul Mansur On Wednesday, February 8, 2006, at 01:05 AM, Kent Spielmann wrote: Unfortunately, while I was polishing the bell, one of the folds left from straightening the previously crumpled bell cracked open (a sickening sound). Now there is a hairline crack about an inch long halfway between the solder joint and the end of the bell. Doesn't seem to have affected the sound. I suppose I will need to get the bell replaced if/when it gets too long. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
In a message dated 2/8/2006 1:06:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suppose I will need to get the bell replaced if/when it gets too long. -- Get it patched now and it won't get any longer. Dave Weiner Maryland Band & Orchestra Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
Thanks to all who replied. Your overwhelming positive response tells me I ought to keep the horn and learn to play it. I must agree with those who suggested using the 4th valve in combination with 3rd to make a kind of F loop for the open F notes. This seems the best use of the feature. It looks much better now that I've shined it up a bit with some Maas polishing cream. Unfortunately, while I was polishing the bell, one of the folds left from straightening the previously crumpled bell cracked open (a sickening sound). Now there is a hairline crack about an inch long halfway between the solder joint and the end of the bell. Doesn't seem to have affected the sound. I suppose I will need to get the bell replaced if/when it gets too long. In response to some of your comments: On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:30:38 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Are you sure this is the original slide? ... Are > the lacquer, lacquer wear, brace, ferrules, etc. > exactly the same as on the other slides? Yes it is, the the lacquer, lacquer wear, brace, and ferrules are exactly the same. Several mentioned an H extension: I've examined both the 1st and 4th slides, and there is no H extensionno short piece that can be removed. --- Jonell Lindholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The HN White Family maintains a web site with > information about the company > at http://www.hnwhite.com/. > That serial puts the manufacturing date at > 1955-1960, according to the site I should have looked myself: The horn I have looks almost exactly like the one illustrated on the 1958 catalog image at http://www.hnwhite.com/King/French Horn Page/1958 HN White French Horn Large.jpg It is, and I quote, a: "1158 Single Bb with 4 valves Fourth valve has a dual Feature Can be used for Transposing or Muting" The only difference is that on mine the lyre mount is on the 3rd valve tube rather than on the tubing as it enters the valve assembly. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You could also get > an F loop made for the 4th valve so that it would > have a set of open f harmonics. The case has a place for an extra slide that is missing. The loop would have been about 2.5 x 7.25 inches (6 x 19.5 cm)on the inside. So I'm guessing it originally came with an F loop. I didn't mention the red velvet lined caseit's falling apart! KWS Hornspieler ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
In a message dated 2/6/2006 11:19:21 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't the King Bb horn he was describing a 4 valve horn? Paul Navarro Hi Paul, Yes. ... the brain fa*ts seem to be getting more frequent these days. Thanks for the correction. Hope to see you at Midwest. Best to Chris. Regards, Jerry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
In a message dated 2/6/06 3:31:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > 've never seen > a 5V Bb with the Bb/Ab setup you describe > Isn't the King Bb horn he was describing a 4 valve horn? Paul Navarro ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
John Kowalchuk wrote: Okay, I missed one detail. At 07:03 AM 2/6/06 -0800, Kent Spielmann wrote: This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st. On Bb horns with an A/+ stop valve, there is a short section which extends the stopping slide from 3/4 tone to a full tone as you have now. You now have an "A" valve. With the extra piece removed, if it had/has one, it would be a stop valve. Just needed more caffeine to figure it out. Have another cup, John. Bb to A requires lowering the open horn by the length of the *second* valve slide, not the first. With the equivalent of an extra first valve slide, it changes from Bb to Ab, and as some have mentioned, would make it easy to play "horn in Eb" parts without transposing. Most of us have probably played so many Eb parts that it would be of no particular interest to us, but a youngster playing an Eb alto band part might find it very useful indeed. Mine definitely has an H section in that slide, but it's old and stuck pretty tight. One of these days I'm going to have to un-stick it, and maybe shorten the extension a bit. I think it would be more useful as an A/stopping valve, rather than an A/Ab valve. Now that I think of it, though, I've noticed that there's *lots* of extension in that slide. I'll bet it could change from A to a stopping valve just by pulling the slide out a bit. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
As I mentioned before, Peter Damm played this type of horn a lot. The four and three combination provided a substitute for the open F horn set of partials including a nice low c and g sounding more like an F horn. Peter's horn was a Moennig and is what he played at the East Lansing workshop in 1978. CORdially, Paul Mansur On Monday, February 6, 2006, at 04:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/6/2006 9:04:08 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st. It can be used as an altenate 1st valve, and when used for stopping, the pitch is flat. Hi, Are you sure this is the original slide? My guess is that the original shorter A/A+ slide combination was damaged, lost or replaced for some other reason. I've never seen a 5V Bb with the Bb/Ab setup you describe. Are the lacquer, lacquer wear, brace, ferrules, etc. exactly the same as on the other slides? If not, It's surely a replacement. Keep us posted. Regards, Jerry in Kansas City ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
Sorry, but this is incorrect. With a whole tone fourth valve you can switch to Ab, not A. An A valve is a half step and is shorter than a stop valve and is the same as the second valve. CORdially, Paul Mansur On Monday, February 6, 2006, at 12:44 PM, John Kowalchuk wrote: On Bb horns with an A/+ stop valve, there is a short section which extends the stopping slide from 3/4 tone to a full tone as you have now. You now have an "A" valve. With the extra piece removed, if it had/has one, it would be a stop valve. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
In a message dated 2/6/2006 9:04:08 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st. It can be used as an altenate 1st valve, and when used for stopping, the pitch is flat. Hi, Are you sure this is the original slide? My guess is that the original shorter A/A+ slide combination was damaged, lost or replaced for some other reason. I've never seen a 5V Bb with the Bb/Ab setup you describe. Are the lacquer, lacquer wear, brace, ferrules, etc. exactly the same as on the other slides? If not, It's surely a replacement. Keep us posted. Regards, Jerry in Kansas City ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
In a message dated 2/6/06 11:43:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > On Bb horns with an A/+ stop valve, there is a short section which extends > the stopping slide from 3/4 tone to a full tone > The short removable section that is present on most Bb horns is an extension to lengthen the A slide (or 1/2 tone slide) to a muting slide (or 3/4 tone slide) for hand stopping. Paul Navarro Custom Horn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
Okay, I missed one detail. At 07:03 AM 2/6/06 -0800, Kent Spielmann wrote: >This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th >is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st. On Bb horns with an A/+ stop valve, there is a short section which extends the stopping slide from 3/4 tone to a full tone as you have now. You now have an "A" valve. With the extra piece removed, if it had/has one, it would be a stop valve. Just needed more caffeine to figure it out. John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
At 07:03 AM 2/6/06 -0800, Kent Spielmann wrote: >--- Dan Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> valve slides, since stopping on the Bb horn raises >> the pitch more than a half step. >> > >This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th >is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st. It is likely missing a short section which goes extends the slide to 3/4 tone. It appears now to be an "A" valve. With the extra piece it could be a stop valve. John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
In a message dated 2/6/06 9:03:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th > is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st. It can > be used as an altenate 1st valve, and when used for > stopping, the pitch is flat. > > Perhaps the only explanation is that it is an > ill-conceived design. > I am not sure that the whole tone slide on your horn was purposely designed for this, but it does have an interesting possibility. If you are going to play only the open F notes on an F extension (if you had one), you could also play them with the 1st and 3 rd valve combination. The problem is that this combination is too sharp to be really useful. I have made a slightly longer than a whole step slide that I use in the A/muting valve of my Paxman descant. Using this slide, I can use the muting valve lever and 3rd valve combination for the F horn extension and the longer slide lowers the pitch enough to give a correct F overtone series. I have used this for many years and never had to make an F extension (which sometimes can add enough weight to the horn to make it respond differently). I have also made slides like this for many other players for their descants. You can carry the whole step slide in the horn and a muting slide in your case and have both readily available in case you need them. My Point ? Why don't you try pulling the whole tone slide in your muting valve out about an inch or so and then, using the thumb valve and 3rd valve combination, tune the whole tone slide until you have a good open F harmonic using this combination ? This could give you the same results as a F extension and you wouldn't have to have one made. It is possible that this is why the slide was originally designed that way. Paul Navarro Custom Horn Lyric Opera of Chicago (ret) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
Hi. The use of a whole step thumb valve is not all that unusual. Years ago many horns came with an H inset to extend the A or stop valve to a whole step. Peter Damm used a single B horn with a whole step thumb valve. He tuned it a little bit flat and tuned the first valve a little bit sharp; or vice versa. However, he played (plays) extremely well with it. I have two thumb valve slides; an A valve and a stop valve length. The idea long ago was to use a whole step so you could shift down a step and play Eb parts without having to transpose. I've seen old advertisements advocating such use in school bands. It works, after a fashion. I've played Auf dem Strom a few times with the A valve in. Since it is written for E horn I transpose most of it but in spots I use the A valve to get out of some awkward fingerings. Just before the end, I pull the A slide way out to get the last written low C to be in tune with T-2-3 instead of 1-2-3. I was pleased with the results. Among some users of Bb horns, consider these names: Harold Meek, Willem Valkenier, Peter Damm, Mike Thompson, Ifor James, Alan Civil, and a host of others as well as Dennis Brain. For a time the Berlin Phil section was all Bb horns. It is not, however, the best choice for most second and fourth parts/players. It shines nicely for most first and third parts and as a solo and small ensemble horn. CORdially, Paul Mansur On Monday, February 6, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Kent Spielmann wrote: --- Dan Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 5, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Kent Spielmann wrote: The 4th (thumb) valve seems odd as it is exactly the same length as the 1st valve. so it lowers the> pitch by a full step. It should be somewhere in between the length of the first and second valve slides, since stopping on the Bb horn raises the pitch more than a half step. This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st. It can be used as an altenate 1st valve, and when used for stopping, the pitch is flat. Perhaps the only explanation is that it is an ill-conceived design. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
Greetings - When I balance the "ease" of holding down a valve while doing the rest of the fingerings for reading an Eb horn part as if it were an F horn part with simply playing an Eb horn part, I come up with a level of difficulty of 10 for the former and a level of difficulty of 0.001 for the latter. Carlberg LOTP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Its very useful as a transposing valve when playing from Eb horn parts. mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
Its very useful as a transposing valve when playing from Eb horn parts. Paul - Original Message - From: "Kent Spielmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice > --- Dan Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 5, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Kent Spielmann wrote: > > > The 4th (thumb) valve seems odd as it is exactly > the > > > same length as the 1st valve. so it lowers the> > pitch > > > by a full step. > > > > It should be somewhere in between the length of the > > first and second > > valve slides, since stopping on the Bb horn raises > > the pitch more than a half step. > > > > This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th > is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st. It can > be used as an altenate 1st valve, and when used for > stopping, the pitch is flat. > > Perhaps the only explanation is that it is an > ill-conceived design. > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
--- Dan Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 5, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Kent Spielmann wrote: > > The 4th (thumb) valve seems odd as it is exactly the > > same length as the 1st valve. so it lowers the> pitch > > by a full step. > > It should be somewhere in between the length of the > first and second > valve slides, since stopping on the Bb horn raises > the pitch more than a half step. > This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st. It can be used as an altenate 1st valve, and when used for stopping, the pitch is flat. Perhaps the only explanation is that it is an ill-conceived design. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
I have one of those Kings that I picked up for $200. My understanding is that it is a very faithful copy of a very good old Schmidt. I discovered on mine that, once I got the whole thing in tune, 1st valve G was quite in tune, but open F, just below it, was better played 2/3. The horn plays as well, and maybe a little 'bigger' than other Bbs I've played, and is extremely agile. The most important thing I've found so far is that an F attachment is a necessity for blending, and playing with the best possible sound. Any good tech can make you an F crook to replace the stopping crook. Get used to using it to play C, E, and G with an open F horn sound. It provides a tone foundation for the rest of the sound. After a while, you can play more without the F attachment, once that sound is fixed in your mind. Restudy the DB recordings and practice standing up, as a soloist. You'll learn whole new dimensions to your horn playing. -Original Message- From: Kent Spielmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:14:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice I have been reading the posts on Denis Brain's horn. I seems hard to imagine he made that beautiful sound on a Bb. I thought they were just for converted trumpet players. Any way an opportunity came my way to by a Bb single horn two days ago for not too much so I jumped at the chance. The horn is not much to look at, most of the lacquer has come off and the bell looks like it was badly crumpled before being straightened out. Still, I was surprised how well it blew. It does not have any major dents and the valves seem to be in good shape. The 4th (thumb) valve seems odd as it is exactly the same length as the 1st valve. so it lowers the pitch by a full step. Perhaps it has a large bell and deeds to be longer to properly compensate for stopping? The bell says: King Made by H.N White Co Cleveland, Ohio In the second valve case there is the serial number: SN 349871-HN. Can any one tell me about this make of horn? What its reputation is and if it is worth putting much money into it to clean it up? Second, when would one want to use a single Bb horn? Is it really an instrument I should hold on to? I have been playing a Conn 8D (N series)my father bought me new in the early 70's. It seem to me the Bb horn may be pretty difficult to play in tune. Finally, is there a way to make the lower notes on the horn (below concert middle c)sound better. They sound as tubby on this horn as on the Bb side of the 8D. Hornspieler ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
--- Kent Spielmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been reading the posts on Denis Brain's horn. I > seems hard to imagine he made that beautiful sound on > a Bb. I thought they were just for converted trumpet > players. Thats the way it has been used in the German military bands through less peaceful times. Even with right handed single Bbs. > Any way an opportunity came my way to by a Bb single > horn two days ago for not too much so I jumped at the > chance. > The horn is not much to look at, most of the lacquer > has come off and the bell looks like it was badly > crumpled before being straightened out. > > Still, I was surprised how well it blew. It does not > have any major dents and the valves seem to be in good > shape. > > The 4th (thumb) valve seems odd as it is exactly the > same length as the 1st valve. so it lowers the pitch > by a full step. Perhaps it has a large bell and deeds > to be longer to properly compensate for stopping? > > The bell says: > King > Made by > H.N White Co > Cleveland, Ohio > > In the second valve case there is the serial number: > SN 349871-HN. Lars Kirmsers page http://www.musictrader.com/king.html would place this instrument as made in 1955. The closest King catalogue scan I can come up with is this one as quoted from the index of my brass galleries project: Thumbnails of a 1940 King horn catalogue pages 1 through 6 (the first page presented in 2 different scan types for optimal viewing results). Btw: the high resolution .jpgs are huge: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/yorkmasterpublicphotos32/lst?&.dir=/1940+King+horn+catalogue+pages+1+-+6 Thumbnails of a 1940 King horn catalogue pages 7 through 12. Btw: the high resolution .jpgs are huge: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/yorkmasterpublicphotos33/lst?.dir=/1940+King+horn+catalogue+pages+7+-+12 You will have to join these two gallery groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotos32/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotos33/ The model coming closest to your description is at http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/yorkmasterpublicphotos32/vwp?.dir=/1940+King+horn+catalogue+pages+1+-+6&.dnm=kcpg05.jpg This is a 4RV single Bb horn, where the stopping valve as opposed to the equivalent 5 RV single Bb Hoyer of mine (with an F extension also) cannot be converted into an A valve be the removal of an H-insert. I call my stopping valve "a 3/4 step" valve and I mostly use to improve the intonation in the lowest range by using "odd" fingerings. My guess is, that the whole step of your thumb valve comes from the fact that an instrument like the one illustrated in my gallery has been augmented with an H-insert from either an earlier or later King model or from a horn of another make with the same bore. > Can any one tell me about this make of horn? What its > reputation is and if it is worth putting much money > into it to clean it up? The amount worth investing depends on this specific sample and cannot be evaluated without a thorough testing. > > Second, when would one want to use a single Bb horn? I was "forced" into using my very good Hoyer single Bb by my teacher, who was the best one available then. Parts of Europe are single Bb reservations, even if there may sit a full F side on the instruments used. Only the F side is never used unless certain parts of the low range demand so. > Is it really an instrument I should hold on to? I have > been playing a Conn 8D (N series)my father bought me > new in the early 70's. It seem to me the Bb horn may > be pretty difficult to play in tune. Even if most of my horns are doubles or single Fs plus single descants in G and Bb, nobody will make me sell my single Hoyer. It is a small horn, but it is wonderfully even and in tune all over the range. I even have played a 2nd horn Bb-basso part on it. At least one of the major service bands in DC uses single Bbs for parade purposes no matter how prestigious horns they use in the concert halls. The same goes for the Royal Lifeguard of my country. > > Finally, is there a way to make the lower notes on the > horn (below concert middle c)sound better. They sound > as tubby on this horn as on the Bb side of the 8D. This is a matter of technique and of adapting to the higher resistance of a small horn. You never will make a single Bb sound like a huge full double, but each sound may have musically very relevant applications. If I took my Conn 28D sound into a WW quintet it would be pure murder. Then rather the more discrete Hoyer, or in your case, King. Sorry for the repeated disclaimer: my eyesight is very bad currently, I do my best not to offend your language, and to be true to my intended message. You are welcome to disagree with me, but please dont nit-pick about the lowered standard of my English. I have a test appointment Tuesday deciding over surgery or not. And yes, my nerves are on edge about the matter. My download homepage ha
Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
Kent Spielmann wrote: Any way an opportunity came my way to by a Bb single horn two days ago for not too much so I jumped at the chance. The bell says: King Made by H.N White Co Cleveland, Ohio An excellent little horn, if it's in good shape. I have one, as well. I'd prefer that it had an extra valve, for a low F extension, but it's very versatile despite that. Sorry - it's halftime, and I need to make some chips. Gotta go! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
I have been reading the posts on Denis Brain's horn. I seems hard to imagine he made that beautiful sound on a Bb. I thought they were just for converted trumpet players. Any way an opportunity came my way to by a Bb single horn two days ago for not too much so I jumped at the chance. The horn is not much to look at, most of the lacquer has come off and the bell looks like it was badly crumpled before being straightened out. Still, I was surprised how well it blew. It does not have any major dents and the valves seem to be in good shape. The 4th (thumb) valve seems odd as it is exactly the same length as the 1st valve. so it lowers the pitch by a full step. Perhaps it has a large bell and deeds to be longer to properly compensate for stopping? The bell says: King Made by H.N White Co Cleveland, Ohio In the second valve case there is the serial number: SN 349871-HN. Can any one tell me about this make of horn? What its reputation is and if it is worth putting much money into it to clean it up? Second, when would one want to use a single Bb horn? Is it really an instrument I should hold on to? I have been playing a Conn 8D (N series)my father bought me new in the early 70's. It seem to me the Bb horn may be pretty difficult to play in tune. Finally, is there a way to make the lower notes on the horn (below concert middle c)sound better. They sound as tubby on this horn as on the Bb side of the 8D. Hornspieler ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
