Re: [Hornlist] New invention
Haven't I seen this before? The Pip Stick? Chris (yes I know they are different) --- Peter W. Schroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trombone version is wonderful for some extremely heavy bass trombones and for trombones requiring an awkward left hand position, such as the Holton Superbone. I can't even hold a Superbone in playing position for more than five minutes without it. For the horn, though, I find it difficult to see the value of this device, except for players with a physical handicap. There have sometimes been complaints about very heavy triple horns; would it help with that? Jaakko Välimäki wrote: Visit www.ergobone.com to learn more about the new ErgoHorn! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New invention
Not to mention that you could also be running with it, trip, and poke
yourself in the eye. Its all fun and games until somebody loses an eye.
I played next to a similar gizmo in high school who hurt my lip sometimes.
Her name was Ann and she would zone out quite frequently during rehearsals.
Then when I would play an entrance, she'd startle and jerk her horn up into
position, usually elbowing my bell. I developed this nervous habit of
twisting slightly to my left before entrances.
Josh
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I think that there is a danger that this gizmo can hurt your lip.
Imagine that while you are playing, you lift the horn slightly (swinging,
swaying, just breathing...) so that the stick leaves the floor. If you
are still playing when it comes down again, the horn will stop suddenly,
mashing your lips and teeth. Or at least making your lip slide off the
horn. No?
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Visit www.ergobone.com to learn more about the new ErgoHorn! Jaakko Välimäki Finland __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New invention
This is fantastic - just what I need! I hope everyone in my section will get one. Please let me know when they produce a set of rubber lips connected to a set of bellows so that I won't need to blow either. All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New invention
Hello Lawrence, I second that request, but regarding ErgoHorn I might ask, how about those who swivel around on their seat or dance-swing with their horn, as so often noted in auditions ? Big trouble then in the orchestra. And what to do during rests ? How to water empty the horn without any clonk from the ErgoHornStand, special if emptying must be performed most quickly ? I also wait for the invention of a rubber ass who sits in the pit on behalf of myself. Your requested rubber lips ´n bellows could do the job for me, while I would replace the guy in front using his stick for some kind of aerobic, but earning much money. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] New invention This is fantastic - just what I need! I hope everyone in my section will get one. Please let me know when they produce a set of rubber lips connected to a set of bellows so that I won't need to blow either. All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New invention
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Hans Pizka wrote:
Hello Lawrence, I second that request, but regarding ErgoHorn I might
ask, how about those who swivel around on their seat or dance-swing with
their horn, as so often noted in auditions ? Big trouble then in the
orchestra.
Easily solved - this invention is just a support stick with a connecting
plate. Instead connecting each horn to the floor, you connect the entire
horn section together, so they have to swivel swing together. First
horn sets the rhythm, of course. And they have to empty together. Pray
that no one sneezes.
Seriously, is this invention of any value except for unfortunate players
with arthritis or other disability that makes holding the horn difficult?
It looks like a joke, especially the price. The trombone version looks
dangerous.
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How about the section players, if they have rests while the first horn
fights-swivels through his part ? Do they have to swing unison ? But
would be nice to wake up the fourth horn
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Hans Pizka wrote:
Hello Lawrence, I second that request, but regarding ErgoHorn I might
ask, how about those who swivel around on their seat or dance-swing
with
their horn, as so often noted in auditions ? Big trouble then in the
orchestra.
Easily solved - this invention is just a support stick with a connecting
plate. Instead connecting each horn to the floor, you connect the
entire
horn section together, so they have to swivel swing together. First
horn sets the rhythm, of course. And they have to empty together. Pray
that no one sneezes.
Seriously, is this invention of any value except for unfortunate players
with arthritis or other disability that makes holding the horn
difficult?
It looks like a joke, especially the price. The trombone version looks
dangerous.
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{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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Re: RE: [Hornlist] New invention
I remember when the trombone one came out, I wondered if they'd ever make something
like it for horn. It does SEEM like a good idea, to help prevent injury from the
weight of heavier horns, but it looks ridiculous, and seems impractical with the
design shown on that website!
Steven Slaff
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Hans Pizka wrote:
Hello Lawrence, I second that request, but regarding ErgoHorn I
might ask, how about those who swivel around on their seat or
dance-swing with
their horn, as so often noted in auditions ? Big trouble then in the
orchestra.
Easily solved - this invention is just a support stick with a
connectingplate. Instead connecting each horn to the floor, you
connect the entire
horn section together, so they have to swivel swing together. First
horn sets the rhythm, of course. And they have to empty together.
Pray
that no one sneezes.
Seriously, is this invention of any value except for unfortunate
playerswith arthritis or other disability that makes holding the
horn difficult?
It looks like a joke, especially the price. The trombone version
looksdangerous.
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Re: [Hornlist] New invention
In a message dated 15/04/2004 17:44:33 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: to help prevent injury from the weight of heavier horns All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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While I would find the device unnecessary and awkward, some of us have trouble holding the horn because of arthritis or tendinitis, caused by aging or immune systems not working properly. I have forwarded the link to a excellent trombonist friend of mine who suffers from tendinitis. An oboist friend of mine invented one for holding his oboe. Herb Foster --- Hans Pizka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Lawrence, I second that request, but regarding ErgoHorn I might ask, how about those who swivel around on their seat or dance-swing with their horn, as so often noted in auditions ? Big trouble then in the orchestra. And what to do during rests ? How to water empty the horn without any clonk from the ErgoHornStand, special if emptying must be performed most quickly ? I also wait for the invention of a rubber ass who sits in the pit on behalf of myself. Your requested rubber lips ´n bellows could do the job for me, while I would replace the guy in front using his stick for some kind of aerobic, but earning much money. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New invention
The trombone version is wonderful for some extremely heavy bass trombones and for trombones requiring an awkward left hand position, such as the Holton Superbone. I can't even hold a Superbone in playing position for more than five minutes without it. For the horn, though, I find it difficult to see the value of this device, except for players with a physical handicap. There have sometimes been complaints about very heavy triple horns; would it help with that? Jaakko Välimäki wrote: Visit www.ergobone.com to learn more about the new ErgoHorn! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Maybe they could turn the stand upside down so you could get better reception? Who knew - a cello peg for brass players. -William In a message dated 4/15/2004 4:04:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Lawrence, I second that request, but regarding ErgoHorn I might ask, how about those who swivel around on their seat or dance-swing with their horn, as so often noted in auditions ? Big trouble then in the orchestra. And what to do during rests ? How to water empty the horn without any clonk from the ErgoHornStand, special if emptying must be performed most quickly ? I also wait for the invention of a rubber ass who sits in the pit on behalf of myself. Your requested rubber lips ´n bellows could do the job for me, while I would replace the guy in front using his stick for some kind of aerobic, but earning much money. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New invention
Jaakko Välimäki wrote: Visit www.ergobone.com to learn more about the new ErgoHorn! It looks not entirely unlike the Pip Stick invented by Pip Eastop. http://freespace.virgin.net/pip.eastop/html/pipstick.htm John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Hans P wrote ...I would replace the guy in front using his stick for some kind of aerobic, but earning much money. * Your wishes have been answered, Hans. rtsp://cds101.bit-drive.ne.jp/shp/02-38-QR105.rm Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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It would really help out for my dodecatuple horn. I bought it from a British fellow. I asked him How much? and he replied Oh about 450 pounds. That's a steal! I said. I can get that much money to you right away. He sighed, and then said, No, sir, that's not the price, that's the weight -William In a message dated 4/15/2004 10:22:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The trombone version is wonderful for some extremely heavy bass trombones and for trombones requiring an awkward left hand position, such as the Holton Superbone. I can't even hold a Superbone in playing position for more than five minutes without it. For the horn, though, I find it difficult to see the value of this device, except for players with a physical handicap. There have sometimes been complaints about very heavy triple horns; would it help with that? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New invention
Does a trombonist ever hold his bone longer than two minutes (in the orchestra on stage or in the pit ) ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter W. Schroth Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:21 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] New invention The trombone version is wonderful for some extremely heavy bass trombones and for trombones requiring an awkward left hand position, such as the Holton Superbone. I can't even hold a Superbone in playing position for more than five minutes without it. For the horn, though, I find it difficult to see the value of this device, except for players with a physical handicap. There have sometimes been complaints about very heavy triple horns; would it help with that? Jaakko Välimäki wrote: Visit www.ergobone.com to learn more about the new ErgoHorn! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New invention
I think that there is a danger that this gizmo can hurt your lip.
Imagine that while you are playing, you lift the horn slightly (swinging,
swaying, just breathing...) so that the stick leaves the floor. If you
are still playing when it comes down again, the horn will stop suddenly,
mashing your lips and teeth. Or at least making your lip slide off the
horn. No?
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{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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I screamed when he started, but he recalls so many memories reminds me of many stick swingers . Cabbage, I did not manage to down save the clip on my machine. Could you give me some hints, please, but privately. Many thanks in advance. Warmest greetings from cool but sunny Munich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 7:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] New Invention Hans P wrote ...I would replace the guy in front using his stick for some kind of aerobic, but earning much money. * Your wishes have been answered, Hans. rtsp://cds101.bit-drive.ne.jp/shp/02-38-QR105.rm Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
