RE: [Hornlist] Re: OT: Is there a trumpet list similar to this horn list?
Many of the good classical trumpet players in Chicago travel with 4 horns: Is this true? (or do you mean 4 trumpets?) Now that's why it's confusing to the rest of the world when the word FRENCH is omitted!! It was a colleague on this list that straightened me out almost 30 years ago -- that I should say horn when I mean French horn. But most of the time no one but me knows what I mean. I'd better stop now, I gotta go grab my horn and warm up (it's a trumpet) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: OT: Is there a trumpet list similar to this horn list?
In a message dated 13/01/2008 14:14:07 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that's why it's confusing to the rest of the world when the word FRENCH is omitted!! ermm..no - trumpet means trumpet, horn means horn. Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: OT: Is there a trumpet list similar to this horn list?
Yeap, that's the list we were talking about. Remember, that is a trumpet list. This is a horn list. :) Joyce date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:59:50 -0500 from: Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: RE: [Hornlist] OT: Is there a trumpet list similar to this horn list? -Original Message- From: Borje Lofblad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a well moderated trumpet list. You can join by going to TPIN via google. As a trumpet player I have enjoyed beeing on that list for several years. I did join that list for a few days but then unsubscribed. Perhaps what I saw was not representative, but that conversation was mostly about non-classical music, and it was also frankly ill-mannered much more than this horn list. It was enough for me. -S- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1219 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 10:19 AM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: OT: Is there a trumpet list similar to this horn list?
Snip 1. Do some/many/most professional orchestral trumpet players own trumpets pitched in C for playing things at concert pitch? 2. Do some/many/most who play Baroque music or other music written for Eb trumpet own and use an Eb trumpet? I helped a local band director transpose some Eb trumpet parts so that Bb players could play them normally, and they really did end up being quite high. I also can't imagine someone playing the first movement of the Haydn trumpet concerto on a Bb instrument (although I guess it's possible). - Many of the good classical trumpet players in Chicago travel with 4 horns: Bb, C, D/Eb, and piccolo. All those I have worked with also know how to transpose into many keys. Most use the C trumpet as their primary instrument, and some don't even own a Bb horn. Those who play mostly second generally have a Bb horn to avoid missing notes at the bottom of their register. Trumpet parts come in almost as wide a variety of keys as horn parts, and for much the same reason - writing for older valveless instruments created a tradition of writing for the instrument in many keys as if it were valveless, even after most players were using valved horns. Richard Hirsh, Chicago ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: OT: Is there a trumpet list similar to this horn list?
No...Richard obviously meant to say '4 hornists' rather than '4 horns'. Hornists are known as the 'heavies' of the music world, as so make good bodyguards. On 1/9/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 09/01/2008 19:40:20 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many of the good classical trumpet players in Chicago travel with 4 horns: Is this true? (or do you mean 4 trumpets?) Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: OT: Is there a trumpet list similar to this horn list?
In a message dated 09/01/2008 19:40:20 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many of the good classical trumpet players in Chicago travel with 4 horns: Is this true? (or do you mean 4 trumpets?) Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: OT: Is there a trumpet list similar to this horn list?
TPIN - http://www.tpin.org/ Trumpet Herald Forum - http://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/ (this is a bulletin board and not a mail list) C trumpet - You will find many philosophies on this subject. I think most will play C trumpet at some point, but it is not a given. Some play C trumpet exclusively while others only play C trumpet for parts specifically written for it. For example, in early music different pitched trumpets were used based on the pitch of the music due to no valves creating a non-chromatic instrument much like the horn but with the added liability of not being able to change the pitch based on hand position. For those pieces it is often up to the discretion of the player as to which instrument sounds best for the ensemble they are playing in. For more modern works, composers often wrote for a specific sound. The C trumpet generally was a more brilliant and more compact sounding trumpet, and so for those works, the choice of a C trumpet is important. There is a lot of French literature out there where I feel C trumpet is must. This is very different from horn as horn in one key tends to maintain the same basic sound as horn in a different key (barring missed notes, of course). Of course, it is also important to note that many modern (last 10 - 20 years) makers boast a C trumpet that sounds and feels just like a Bb trumpet. Of course, that sort of defeats moving to a C trumpet, since we've lost the concept of a different sound in those cases. In my case, I have four C trumpets. Each has a different sound and each serves a different purpose--yes, one of them sounds and plays just like a Bb. I use that when the music is more complex than a care to transpose quickly and I need to nail something on the first take. Much of when to use a C is based on what style the music is in, what keyed trumpet it is written for, what type of ensemble it is with, what era the music was written, and finally, the skill and ability of the player. Eb trumpet - I assume you mean the Michael Hayden? The Joseph Hayden lays easily on Bb, although maybe a bit easier on Eb. If you are talking about the Michael Hayden, I really can't help you with that as I've only listened to it. I determined a long time ago that no matter what instrument I was holding, it was not a piece in my comfort zone. As far as playing Eb on Baroque music, I tend to as most Ebs (or Ds as most of the music I've played has been for D) have a more focused sound (remember, there are also Ebs out there that companies build like a Bb, so this comment would not count in those cases) and often seems to work better with chamber ensembles, and most of the time I'm playing baroque music, it is with a chamber ensemble and not with a large symphony orchestra. In those cases, having a bit fat Bb sound just covers things up rather than supporting the ensemble unless the player has good control and taste. Just as a descant horn doesn't make a horn player play higher, an Eb or piccolo trumpet does not make a trumpet player play higher either. However, it does separate the notes better in the harmonic series, which makes playing high music a little more predictable. My 2 cents worth. Joyce date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:04:26 -0500 from: Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a trumpet list similar to this horn list? My son plays both, I play only French Horn, but I am now in need of a place to ask a few trumpet questions as I look around for a second instrument for him while his main trumpet gets cleaned and replated. Two similar curiosity questions I will ask here if anyone wishes to reply (and please do feel free to reply privated) - I know French Horn players have their horn and learn to transpose on it, and I know trumpet players tend not to be as good as transposing as French Horn players. That in mind: 1. Do some/many/most professional orchestral trumpet players own trumpets pitched in C for playing things at concert pitch? 2. Do some/many/most who play Baroque music or other music written for Eb trumpet own and use an Eb trumpet? I helped a local band director transpose some Eb trumpet parts so that Bb players could play them normally, and they really did end up being quite high. I also can't imagine someone playing the first movement of the Haydn trumpet concerto on a Bb instrument (although I guess it's possible). Thanks in advance, and apologies for the digression. -S- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: 1/8/2008 1:38 PM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
