[Hornlist] Re: mouthpiece w/ Schmid horn
[Q] Instead of adapting something that I know fits me well, does anyone know of a vendor from whom I could simply BUY a mouthpiece outright, that would be similar? I believe the rim diameter is 18.5 mm, and it seems to have a medium-deep cup, compared with others that I own. [/Q] I found on my older Alex 103 that having the European shank made all the difference in the world. I get my O5 with European shanks from John Stork. The Stork Orval 6 is 18mm ID but John has made custom mouthpieces for lots of folks. I even recently read (and I am likely to try) that Stork has made upright tenor(uk)/alto(us) horn mouthpieces. More to the point would be that Stork is producing a Stagliano mouthpiece that has an ID of 18.3mm. I am sure he would cut that shank to a Euro taper. I was going to purchase a J6 with said taper but fundage ran short this fall and it will be a spring purchase instead. If you bought one and didn't like it I am sure we could work something out :^/ Give him a call. Either he will be able to adapt something he has or can copy your Laskey and cut the shank to Euro taper. Along those lines, Moosewood could also custom copy your Laskey with a Euro shank or I believe he has some 18.5mm ID mouthpieces as well. If you didn't use such a wide ID rim I could just loan you an O5 when I'm close to KC around xmas. I've got to drive through anyway to see outlaws. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: mouthpiece w/ Schmid horn
Horns intended for sale in the United States, including all the Schmid double horns we've sold over the past ten years, have 0 Morse taper shanks. Schmid triples have a tuning bit that can be either 0 Morse or Euro (Alex) shank. They can be exchanged if needed. To check the fit of your mouthpiece: draw a line down the shank with magic marker. Insert the mouthpiece and twist it. If the mark is worn off on the big end you may have a Euro taper mouthpiece receiver. If the mark is worn off the small end you have a Euro taper mouthpiece going into a 0 Morse taper receiver. This is by no means certain. A difference of as little at .1 degree can noticeably affect the fit, and not all makers hold this measurement consistently, either in the mouthpiece or the receiver. The Euro taper is shallower than the Morse and bigger at the end so a Euro taper mouthpiece in a Morse receiver will grab at the bottom and wiggle at the top. A Morse mouthpiece in a Euro receiver, just the opposite. Any mouthpiece can be converted to Euro taper but a better solution would be to convert the horn to standard taper so that any mouthpiece could be used in it. Our Stagliano Replica rim is 19.27mm at the break and is compatible with any of our X cups. We also make a metric range of mouthpieces with rims from 17.5 to 18.5mm that are compatible with the Halstead-Chidell line. Bob Osmun www.osmun.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Dutton Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:19 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Re: mouthpiece w/ Schmid horn [Q] Instead of adapting something that I know fits me well, does anyone know of a vendor from whom I could simply BUY a mouthpiece outright, that would be similar? I believe the rim diameter is 18.5 mm, and it seems to have a medium-deep cup, compared with others that I own. [/Q] I found on my older Alex 103 that having the European shank made all the difference in the world. I get my O5 with European shanks from John Stork. The Stork Orval 6 is 18mm ID but John has made custom mouthpieces for lots of folks. I even recently read (and I am likely to try) that Stork has made upright tenor(uk)/alto(us) horn mouthpieces. More to the point would be that Stork is producing a Stagliano mouthpiece that has an ID of 18.3mm. I am sure he would cut that shank to a Euro taper. I was going to purchase a J6 with said taper but fundage ran short this fall and it will be a spring purchase instead. If you bought one and didn't like it I am sure we could work something out :^/ Give him a call. Either he will be able to adapt something he has or can copy your Laskey and cut the shank to Euro taper. Along those lines, Moosewood could also custom copy your Laskey with a Euro shank or I believe he has some 18.5mm ID mouthpieces as well. If you didn't use such a wide ID rim I could just loan you an O5 when I'm close to KC around xmas. I've got to drive through anyway to see outlaws. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rosmun%40osmun.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: mouthpiece w/ Schmid horn
One thing to check is whether it takes the European mouthpiece shank taper. It will play a lot better if the shank fits in the right distance. Bob's post reminds me of a fun little test to check if the mouthpiece resistance is balanced for you. Play a middle C softly then crescendo to forte. Don't try to keep the pitch steady, just let it do whatever it wants to do as you crescendo. If the pitch wants to go down, you might try a mouthpiece with a little more resistance. If the pitch wants to go up, try something less resistant. It's surprisingly accurate! - Steve Mumford Bob wrote: message: 4 date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:56:39 -0500 from: Robert Osmun [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: RE: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece with Schmid horn The most important characteristic to be aware of in matching a mouthpiece to a specific horn is the relationship of the bore size of the mouthpiece to the venturi (narrowest point) of the mouthpipe. For best results they should balance each other. Large bell throat instruments, such as 8D's, Kruspes, etc. usually have small venturis, so they work well with wider mouthpiece throats in the 4-12 range. Smaller bell horns, like Alexanders, Yamaha 667's, etc. have larger venturis, so a bore in the 10-18 range is better. Schmid horns have venturis on the small-to-medium end of the scale so most mouthpieces with moderate bores (8-14) work well with them. Of course, Schmid mouthpieces are provided with bore sizes from 25-18, but almost no American players use bores that small. Most cup shapes work well on Schmids and other similar horns, cups with very large volume (like our New York cups), less so. I'm sure many listers will have other, more specific, information for you, but here's a place to start. Bob Osmun www.osmun.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Fant Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 8:30 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece with Schmid horn I was wondering what kind of mouthpiece everyone prefers with a E. Schmid horn? Thank you. Robert ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: mouthpiece w/ Schmid horn
Steven Mumford wrote: One thing to check is whether it takes the European mouthpiece shank taper. It will play a lot better if the shank fits in the right distance. Along those lines, I've been trying to find a way to adapt my favorite mouthpiece (Laskey 85G) to the European receiver on my Kalison C horn, so far without success. Even Laskey wasn't overly enthusiastic about the idea, at least within the foreseeable future. To be honest, I don't play that horn very much, so it's not life-and-death, but maybe with the right mouthpiece, I'd use it more. Instead of adapting something that I know fits me well, does anyone know of a vendor from whom I could simply BUY a moutpiece outright, that would be similar? I believe the rim diameter is 18.5 mm, and it seems to have a medium-deep cup, compared with others that I own. I knew there would be a difference with the right taper, but I didn't realize just how much difference, until I noticed that an old mouthpiece in my collection doesn't fit very far into any of my other horns. The only markings on it are E-Z Tone U.S.A. I suspected it might be a European taper, and tried it in the Kalison just yesterday, discovering that it fits perfectly. No wobble. And that horn plays like it never has before. Unfortunately, its rim is way too narrow for my teeth/embouchure. So of the manufacturers who do make mouthpieces specifically for the European taper, where else should I look for one that will fit both me and my horn? Thanks in advance! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
