[Hornlist] Stiff lips
Hi all! Almost everything was said in this matter. But let me tell what happened to me a few years ago. I had a problem similar as described by Ron. The lips were just stiff, didn't vibrate at all. They were like paralized. I coud not buzz without the mouthpiece. Before a concert I had to do a lot of warmup and after a little break it was stiff again. Until I found the reason. I have had a blister on my lip some time before, which happens very rarely to me. So I tried a natural medicine. I put Propolis, some kind of stuff which bees produce to keep their homes clean. You get it in shops where they sell honey, beewax, etc. Maybe it was just the alcohol in this propolis or propolis itself, I don't know. I found out about it because I tried to put it on my lips later on, and bang, the stiff lip problem was there again. This is a good medicine when used in small doses with lot of water, but never put it on the lips as it is. So just think about what you have done before you got the stiff lips. It must not necessarily be overdoing the lips. It can be a chemical reason. Best wishes to you and hope you find out what it was. Liebe Gruesse/Best regards, Hans Illich Ing. Johann Illich, Ortmayrstr.37, A-4060 Leonding, Austria +43-732-995275 priv. +43-6888333895 mobil ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stiff lips
I had a similar problem with the new Blistex Lip Infusion. I suspect the chemicals they use were originally used to give old, floppy leather lots of body. Since it is absorbed into the lips, it takes a long time before playing sensitivity returns. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 7:56 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Stiff lips Hi all! Almost everything was said in this matter. But let me tell what happened to me a few years ago. I had a problem similar as described by Ron. The lips were just stiff, didn't vibrate at all. They were like paralized. I coud not buzz without the mouthpiece. Before a concert I had to do a lot of warmup and after a little break it was stiff again. Until I found the reason. I have had a blister on my lip some time before, which happens very rarely to me. So I tried a natural medicine. I put Propolis, some kind of stuff which bees produce to keep their homes clean. You get it in shops where they sell honey, beewax, etc. Maybe it was just the alcohol in this propolis or propolis itself, I don't know. I found out about it because I tried to put it on my lips later on, and bang, the stiff lip problem was there again. This is a good medicine when used in small doses with lot of water, but never put it on the lips as it is. So just think about what you have done before you got the stiff lips. It must not necessarily be overdoing the lips. It can be a chemical reason. Best wishes to you and hope you find out what it was. Liebe Gruesse/Best regards, Hans Illich Ing. Johann Illich, Ortmayrstr.37, A-4060 Leonding, Austria +43-732-995275 priv. +43-6888333895 mobil ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stiff Lips
Ron, The first thing to ask (as was implied by Hans) is What is the cause of the stiffness? Stiffness after exercise is due to damage to the tissue. So you first have to ask yourself if you are damaging the tissue through bad technique, that is, excessive pressure which will cause direct damage in extreme cases or secondary damage due to disruption of the blood supply. If this isn't the problem, then it can also be due to micro damage from overuse. Treat your practice sessions like you any other physical workout routine, that is, don't overdo it, but *slowly* work up to the proper level of endurance. Vary the routine some, just like in the gym: analogous to doing weights one day and aerobics the next, you can work on range on one day and speed and accuracy the next. Once the damage is done, you can try rest and ice and anti- inflamatory drugs (ibuprofen, e.g.) for short term relief. But in the long run, it is *much* better to treat the cause, not the symptoms. Carlisle On Jan 10, 2007, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this ground has been covered before, but does anyone have suggestions for dealing with stiff lips? I do a cool down after every practice session with low etudes, but are there any exercises someone might suggest to loosen up at the beginning of a practice session when the lips are sometimes the stiffest. Any lip balm, herbal remedies, snake oil that might be helpful? Thanks, Ron ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Stiff Lips
I know this ground has been covered before, but does anyone have suggestions for dealing with stiff lips? I do a cool down after every practice session with low etudes, but are there any exercises someone might suggest to loosen up at the beginning of a practice session when the lips are sometimes the stiffest. Any lip balm, herbal remedies, snake oil that might be helpful? Thanks, Ron ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stiff Lips
Carmex overnight always cures it for me. -James - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:59:06 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Stiff Lips I know this ground has been covered before, but does anyone have suggestions for dealing with stiff lips? I do a cool down after every practice session with low etudes, but are there any exercises someone might suggest to loosen up at the beginning of a practice session when the lips are sometimes the stiffest. Any lip balm, herbal remedies, snake oil that might be helpful? Thanks, Ron ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ndspmustang%40yahoo.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Stiff Lips
All these creams work the same as our medics: they therapy just the symptoms leaving out the source for the defect. One should avoid excessive pressure while playing - or better said: just use necessary pressure, which is that kind of pressure ON THE LIPS, to seal mouthpiece with the lips so air cannot escape to the side. Avoid pressure INTO THE LIPS. Pressure does not produce high notes. And, if playing very high makes you stiff lips, why playing practising in that high region ? If you like this very high from written a above staff up to high g above staff (4 ledger lines), why not playing cornet or trumpet, so to not get stiff lips ? Very simple solution. Doing things the false way, but smearing around with creames, that´s a NO SOLUTION. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:59 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Stiff Lips I know this ground has been covered before, but does anyone have suggestions for dealing with stiff lips? I do a cool down after every practice session with low etudes, but are there any exercises someone might suggest to loosen up at the beginning of a practice session when the lips are sometimes the stiffest. Any lip balm, herbal remedies, snake oil that might be helpful? Thanks, Ron ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stiff Lips
A nice warm up and warm down. Chris (Chopsaver may help too) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know an aid or cure for lips stiffening up between practice sessions, rehearsals, etc. Thanks, Ron ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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what is chopsaver? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Chopsaver is a brand of lip balm that is fantastic for your chops. Check out the web site: www.chopsaver.com Luke Zyla - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Stiff Lips what is chopsaver? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40charter.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Stiff Lips
Usually the assistant, haha, if used right !!! == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 8:18 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Stiff Lips what is chopsaver? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Stiff Lips
It will save you all the many hours needed usually for building up the embouchure strength - a magic cream as most heavily advertised creams - just for those who believe that buying is better than practising. Using this cream will allow you to eat drink anything you want before after the concert = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luke Zyla Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 8:29 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Stiff Lips Chopsaver is a brand of lip balm that is fantastic for your chops. Check out the web site: www.chopsaver.com Luke Zyla - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Stiff Lips what is chopsaver? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40chart er.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Stiff Lips
Does anyone know an aid or cure for lips stiffening up between practice sessions, rehearsals, etc. Thanks, Ron ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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At 6:23 PM -0500 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know an aid or cure for lips stiffening up between practice sessions, rehearsals, etc. Greetings - I'd look in the area of warmups before each playing session. I don't know about others, but a good warmup in the morning sets me up for the day, then after a break a few scales and arpeggios is all I need to be going again. Carlberg (I ought to be wearing shorts - it's 26.3°C outside.) -- My ISP feels that some of my e-mails are not worthy of deliverance. If you do not receive something you expect, please ask me to resend. I apologize for my ISP's evaluation of my e-mail's worthiness. Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Stiff Lips
Carlberg, Isn't it obvious? Your ISP wants it mordida. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carlberg Jones Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:28 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Stiff Lips At 6:23 PM -0500 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know an aid or cure for lips stiffening up between practice sessions, rehearsals, etc. Greetings - I'd look in the area of warmups before each playing session. I don't know about others, but a good warmup in the morning sets me up for the day, then after a break a few scales and arpeggios is all I need to be going again. Carlberg (I ought to be wearing shorts - it's 26.3°C outside.) -- My ISP feels that some of my e-mails are not worthy of deliverance. If you do not receive something you expect, please ask me to resend. I apologize for my ISP's evaluation of my e-mail's worthiness. Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
