Re: [Hornlist] Trills ? !Argh!
On Monday, September 1, 2003, at 04:15 PM, David Goldberg wrote: On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, John Kowalchuk wrote: P.S. Those of us in the Toronto area still shudder at the mention of CDC. OK then, special trill instruction for our acronymically distressed Canadian friends: CACACACACA... Oh poop, that's just what my trills sound like:-P Leigh ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Trills ? !Argh!
Sorry, I really rely on spells Czech. Julio de la Rosa PS Sometimes they pick the wrong word and misspell it! - Original Message - From: Paul Mansur [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Trills ? !Argh! Spell check doesn't help if the word chosen is just the wrong word, but spelled correctly. The intended word seem to be pretty obvious. On Monday, September 1, 2003, at 03:04 PM, David Goldberg wrote: descent speed. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jdelarosa%40ameritech.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Trills ? !Argh!
from Johns' questions: I am working on the mozart 2nd horn concerto 3rd mov. sugesstions on how to get them I am find them quite diffcult right now. May I ask which side of the horn you are playing them on? It may seem like an unecessary question but I haven't been able to keep up with all of the list lately. On the F side there is the choice of lip slurs that can help. On the Bb side what works for me is basically putting the quarter notes into triplets that fit into the beat.It is just what has come to work best for me. You can still get a bit of a trill and not loose time. I am only making a comment on fingerings because of Looking at the music to explain why it works. This is assuming your horn part is in the key of Bb and you are playing on the Bb side of the horn. The first Bb in triplet is 1-open-1 (Bb, C, Bb). Then the next eigth note C (open) comes easily. The D in triplet is 12-1-12 (D, Eb, D). The next Eb eigth note then comes easily being a 1. The F is 0-0-0 (lip slur : F, G, F) back to the (Eb) 1 on the next eigth note. And, with anything, whatever way you chose to play it, practice it slow until you have it like you want then work it up to speed. If you don't have days to do this before you need to play it, then spend a lot of a practice time just doing that one passage. On the 2 recording I have of this. Denis Brain makes a huge deal a very classical powered wig feeling. and on the other John Cemenairo seems to almost some how not play them but still play them *if that even works?* like a said I find it better to play it with no trills that way the line comes out or at least that is what my accompinest says Deciding as to whether or not you should do the the trills depends on the reasons as to why you are learning this piece. Are you just learning it to advance in your studies and improve your playing? Then they can probably wait until you know the piece better. Are you learning for a recital or for an audition somewhere? Then, knowing others will be listening closely to everything you do and will know the music, it might be wise to learn them. You can listen to other horn players and they will sound different. You'll get other opinions from the list too. The two most important things, though, are how Mozart intended them to be played and your own interpretation of it in YOUR style of playing.You might not have the exact type of instrument Mozart wrote the music for. But, you should be aware of how music was played back then and do your best to interpret it. We are all individuals and you want to be known by how you play your music. If you just copy how someone else plays then you will lose out on how to enjoy music within yourself. Dawn Marie ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Trills ? !Argh!
hey, once again I am working on the mozart 2nd horn concerto 3rd mov. like we said and I was wondering about the quater note length trills in the line right before the return of the main theme. Are the necessary. is so Do you have any sugesstions on how to get them I am find them quite diffcult right now. On the 2 recording I have of this. Denis Brain makes a huge deal a very classical powered wig feeling. and on the other John Cemenairo seems to almost some how not play them but still play them *if that even works?* like a said I find it better to play it with no trills that way the line comes out or at least that is what my accompinest says John ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Trills ? !Argh!
Sorry, I can't comment on your main question, but am very interested in this 'powered wig'. Where can I get one of these? - Original Message Follows - hey, once again I am working on the mozart 2nd horn concerto 3rd mov. like we said and I was wondering about the quater note length trills in the line right before the return of the main theme. Are the necessary. is so Do you have any sugesstions on how to get them I am find them quite diffcult right now. On the 2 recording I have of this. Denis Brain makes a huge deal a very classical powered wig feeling. and on the other John Cemenairo seems to almost some how not play them but still play them *if that even works?* like a said I find it better to play it with no trills that way the line comes out or at least that is what my accompinest says John ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40access4less.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Me too. I can't begin to tell you just how frustrating it is to get a trill up to descent speed. Let me know about that powered wig too. -LaNetra From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Horn List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Trills ? !Argh! Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 10:46:10 -0700 Sorry, I can't comment on your main question, but am very interested in this 'powered wig'. Where can I get one of these? - Original Message Follows - hey, once again I am working on the mozart 2nd horn concerto 3rd mov. like we said and I was wondering about the quater note length trills in the line right before the return of the main theme. Are the necessary. is so Do you have any sugesstions on how to get them I am find them quite diffcult right now. On the 2 recording I have of this. Denis Brain makes a huge deal a very classical powered wig feeling. and on the other John Cemenairo seems to almost some how not play them but still play them *if that even works?* like a said I find it better to play it with no trills that way the line comes out or at least that is what my accompinest says John ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40access4less.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cheraine20%40hotmail.com _ Help protect your PC: Get a free online virus scan at McAfee.com. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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LaNetra: If you want faster trills, try thinking of them at ascent speed. Does the powered wig comb itself? Do you have spell check? Julio de la Rosa - Original Message - From: Lanetra Carther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Trills ? !Argh! Me too. I can't begin to tell you just how frustrating it is to get a trill up to descent speed. Let me know about that powered wig too. -LaNetra From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Horn List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Trills ? !Argh! Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 10:46:10 -0700 Sorry, I can't comment on your main question, but am very interested in this 'powered wig'. Where can I get one of these? - Original Message Follows - hey, once again I am working on the mozart 2nd horn concerto 3rd mov. like we said and I was wondering about the quater note length trills in the line right before the return of the main theme. Are the necessary. is so Do you have any sugesstions on how to get them I am find them quite diffcult right now. On the 2 recording I have of this. Denis Brain makes a huge deal a very classical powered wig feeling. and on the other John Cemenairo seems to almost some how not play them but still play them *if that even works?* like a said I find it better to play it with no trills that way the line comes out or at least that is what my accompinest says John ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40access4less.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cheraine20%40hotmail.com _ Help protect your PC: Get a free online virus scan at McAfee.com. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jdelarosa%40ameritech.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Trills ? !Argh!
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Lanetra Carther wrote:
Me too. I can't begin to tell you just how frustrating it is to get a
trill up to descent speed. Let me know about that powered wig too.
For the trill - try a purely tongue trill. I have recommended it here
before. With some practice, it starts instantly and runs at high speed.
To get the idea, try whistling a tongue trill - just back forth tongue
motion. To succeed on the horn, you have to keep up lots of air support
and really shovel air forward with your tongue. Lip to get between the
two notes so that the forward motion clicks to the higher note. It's a
little like riding a wild horse until it behaves. Or a dead horse, if
nothing happens.
At the same time, you can practice either tongue or lip trills not by
gradually increasing speed, but by increasing the number of fast
repetitions. I mean, start with
CDC rest CDC rest ... (x 50 - until reliable)
Then CDCDC rest CDCDC rest ...
Then CDCDCDC rest ...
The powered wig I began as a little-known 18 century device used for
splitting hairs. The manufacturer went out of business because nobody
wanted toupee for it. But it became the inspiration for the modern
computer wysi-wyg concept: what you see is what you get. So the powered
wig lives on - it is electrically powered now, and that is neither hair
nor there.
Now Lanetra, you simply MUST explain about descent speed. My ancestors
took millions of years to prepare me to be able to trill.
{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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Re: [Hornlist] Trills ? !Argh!
At 03:04 PM 9/1/03 -0400, David Goldberg wrote: Now Lanetra, you simply MUST explain about descent speed. My ancestors took millions of years to prepare me to be able to trill. I fear that with David's comments this discussion is heading downhill rather quickly. A situation that would cause any wig, powered or not, to come loose. Powered whigs are a totally different concept. P.S. Those of us in the Toronto area still shudder at the mention of CDC. John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, John Kowalchuk wrote:
P.S.
Those of us in the Toronto area still shudder at the mention of CDC.
OK then, special trill instruction for our acronymically distressed
Canadian friends: CACACACACA...
On reflection - you know, that's not a bad idea at all. (Bb open horn)
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Re: [Hornlist] Trills ? !Argh!
Spell check doesn't help if the word chosen is just the wrong word, but spelled correctly. The intended word seem to be pretty obvious. On Monday, September 1, 2003, at 03:04 PM, David Goldberg wrote: descent speed. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
